https://simplecast.com The Defendants The Defendants is a podcast exploring how sexual assault cases move through the justice system… and why it never seems to work in favour of victims. We want to know what has to change within the system for it to actually work, and we are interrogating what justice means in the aftermath of trauma. This is a podcast where we figure out exactly how this system fails, why, and what to do about it. 2026 en Mon, 7 Sep 2026 17:00:00 +0000 Mon, 7 Sep 2026 17:00:12 +0000 https://defendants.simplecast.com The Defendants https://image.simplecastcdn.com/images/5f2212c4-a4e9-4aa8-8b20-96be2329162b/9c90b6c4-6eb3-42c3-8ca1-e2ffef7435e5/3000x3000/tdsquaremay20263000x3000.jpg?aid=rss_feed https://defendants.simplecast.com episodic The Defendants is a podcast exploring how sexual assault cases move through the justice system… and why it never seems to work in favour of victims. We want to know what has to change within the system for it to actually work, and we are interrogating what justice means in the aftermath of trauma. This is a podcast where we figure out exactly how this system fails, why, and what to do about it. Aster Roe Productions false https://feeds.simplecast.com/sxElsTnP conviction rates, #metoo, lgbtq+ safety, underreported crimes, victim rights, justice reform, disclosure, social justice, black women, harvey weinstein, legal system, sexual assault, defense tactics, sexual abuse, police accountability, advocacy journalism, court proceedings, justice system, canadian justice system, trauma, documentary series, justice redefined, criminal justice, 10:43 amclaude responded: sexual assault, victim blaming, interview podcast, us justice system, marginalized communities, investigative podcast, accountability, legal barriers, legal reform, reporting, canada, policy critique, sexual violence, gender-based violence, prosecution, survivor stories, institutional failure, indigenous women, rape, narrative podcast, men's experiences, institutional reform, north…sexual assault, trauma-informed, transgender rights, north american law, survivor advocacy, systemic dysfunction, united states, victim support, women's issues, court system, criminal law Aster Roe Productions defendantspodoutreach@protonmail.com eb9db3ef-254e-43da-aaee-7730f5b1fb74 Elisha Bonnis - Forging Your Own Justice Path Elisha Bonnis - Forging Your Own Justice Path 

Resources for Survivors

SA Survivor Resource Document - This document contains Canadian, U.S, and global sources to find guidance, information, and aid for survivors of sexual assault. Detailed descriptions of each resource within the document.

The Episode

Elisha tells Jane about finding a way to use the civil litigation system to hold her assailant accountable after the criminal system failed her. 

Listen to Episode 6 - I Went Through the Justice System and All I Got was a Branded Stress Ball: thedefendants.substack.com/episode-6-i-went-through-the-justice to hear more about the imperfect paths survivors can choose in the aftermath of justice, and how the civil system is one of them. Elisha made the unusual choice of choosing the civil litigation system even though there wouldn't be a monetary reward at the end. She did this to demonstrate the flaws in the system and to force accountability. Her case went to trial and is now going to the appeals court in British Colombia. It is scheduled for March 18, 2027.

More Reading on Elisha:

Article on her first trial being canceled

Her story on GoFundMe

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]]> Mon, 7 Sep 2026 17:00:00 +0000 defendantspodoutreach@protonmail.com (Aster Roe Productions) https://defendants.simplecast.com/episodes/elisha-bonnis-forging-your-own-justice-path-BWqXDxTB Elisha Bonnis - Forging Your Own Justice Path 

Resources for Survivors

SA Survivor Resource Document - This document contains Canadian, U.S, and global sources to find guidance, information, and aid for survivors of sexual assault. Detailed descriptions of each resource within the document.

The Episode

Elisha tells Jane about finding a way to use the civil litigation system to hold her assailant accountable after the criminal system failed her. 

Listen to Episode 6 - I Went Through the Justice System and All I Got was a Branded Stress Ball: thedefendants.substack.com/episode-6-i-went-through-the-justice to hear more about the imperfect paths survivors can choose in the aftermath of justice, and how the civil system is one of them. Elisha made the unusual choice of choosing the civil litigation system even though there wouldn't be a monetary reward at the end. She did this to demonstrate the flaws in the system and to force accountability. Her case went to trial and is now going to the appeals court in British Colombia. It is scheduled for March 18, 2027.

More Reading on Elisha:

Article on her first trial being canceled

Her story on GoFundMe

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]]> Elisha Bonnis - Forging Your Own Justice Path Aster Roe Productions 00:54:57 Elisha Bonnis tells Jane about her experience seeking justice via the civil litigation system. Elisha Bonnis tells Jane about her experience seeking justice via the civil litigation system. false bonus 75ecb255-40fb-4ff6-a2ef-68114aea9d5f Case Files: Hockey Canada Scandal The Defendants: Case Files is the next iteration of The Defendants. Our first six episodes explored how the justice system is set up, and why it doesn't work for cases involving sexual violence. We are working on our next six, which will further explore how we can change this system for the better. In the interim, we want to keep the conversation going, and we're doing that with Defendants: Case Files.

Once a month, myself and human rights expert Anuja Jaiswal are going to look into a specific case that caught our attention and ignited conversation. We're going to discuss what happened, why it played out that way, and what we think that can tell us about not just the justice system, but about us, and how our reactions contribute to the problem.

Court Documents

Background

Additional quoted article sources can be found on our Substack here.

Support This Project

YOU are how this project will grow. By listening you are helping new ideas and conversations take shape - both on the podcast, amongst your friends and beyond. Thank you for being here.

Get in Touch

We’d love to hear from you.
Do you have a question or an idea for the show?
A story you’d like to share?
Is there a person, organisation or business you think we should connect with?

Resources for Survivors

SA Survivor Resource Document - This document contains Canadian, U.S, and global sources to find guidance, information, and aid for survivors of sexual assault. Detailed descriptions of each resource within the document.

Our Team

Jane Aster Roe - Executive Producer, Host
Rachel Arundel - Executive Producer, Creative Director
Katie Jensen - Executive Producer, Editor, Sound Designer
Dawson Fleming - Production Assistant

Thank you for listening. Be kind to yourself and to one another.

]]> Thu, 13 Aug 2026 04:00:00 +0000 defendantspodoutreach@protonmail.com (Katie Jensen, Rachel Arundel, Jane Aster Roe, Dawson Fleming, Anuja Jaiswal) https://defendants.simplecast.com/episodes/case-files-hockey-canada-scandal-mxSwNmlE The Defendants: Case Files is the next iteration of The Defendants. Our first six episodes explored how the justice system is set up, and why it doesn't work for cases involving sexual violence. We are working on our next six, which will further explore how we can change this system for the better. In the interim, we want to keep the conversation going, and we're doing that with Defendants: Case Files.

Once a month, myself and human rights expert Anuja Jaiswal are going to look into a specific case that caught our attention and ignited conversation. We're going to discuss what happened, why it played out that way, and what we think that can tell us about not just the justice system, but about us, and how our reactions contribute to the problem.

Court Documents

Background

Additional quoted article sources can be found on our Substack here.

Support This Project

YOU are how this project will grow. By listening you are helping new ideas and conversations take shape - both on the podcast, amongst your friends and beyond. Thank you for being here.

Get in Touch

We’d love to hear from you.
Do you have a question or an idea for the show?
A story you’d like to share?
Is there a person, organisation or business you think we should connect with?

Resources for Survivors

SA Survivor Resource Document - This document contains Canadian, U.S, and global sources to find guidance, information, and aid for survivors of sexual assault. Detailed descriptions of each resource within the document.

Our Team

Jane Aster Roe - Executive Producer, Host
Rachel Arundel - Executive Producer, Creative Director
Katie Jensen - Executive Producer, Editor, Sound Designer
Dawson Fleming - Production Assistant

Thank you for listening. Be kind to yourself and to one another.

]]> Case Files: Hockey Canada Scandal Katie Jensen, Rachel Arundel, Jane Aster Roe, Dawson Fleming, Anuja Jaiswal 01:43:30 The Defendants: Case Files is the next iteration of The Defendants. Our first six episodes explored how the justice system is set up, and why it doesn't work for cases involving sexual violence. We are working on our next six, which will further explore how we can change this system for the better. In the interim, we want to keep the conversation going, and we're doing that with Defendants: Case Files. Once a month, myself and human rights expert Anuja Jaiswal are going to look into a specific case that caught our attention and ignited conversation. We're going to discuss what happened, why it played out that way, and what we think that can tell us about not just the justice system, but about us, and how our reactions contribute to the problem. The Defendants: Case Files is the next iteration of The Defendants. Our first six episodes explored how the justice system is set up, and why it doesn't work for cases involving sexual violence. We are working on our next six, which will further explore how we can change this system for the better. In the interim, we want to keep the conversation going, and we're doing that with Defendants: Case Files. Once a month, myself and human rights expert Anuja Jaiswal are going to look into a specific case that caught our attention and ignited conversation. We're going to discuss what happened, why it played out that way, and what we think that can tell us about not just the justice system, but about us, and how our reactions contribute to the problem. false bonus 5d4a5d34-d4cb-4007-98da-930f621e5dae Case Files: Harvey Weinstein The Defendants: Case Files is the next iteration of The Defendants. Our first six episodes explored how the justice system is set up, and why it doesn't work for cases involving sexual violence. We are working on our next six, which will further explore how we can change this system for the better. In the interim, we want to keep the conversation going, and we're doing that with Defendants: Case Files.

Once a month, myself and human rights expert Anuja Jaiswal are going to look into a specific case that caught our attention and ignited conversation. We're going to discuss what happened, why it played out that way, and what we think that can tell us about not just the justice system, but about us, and how our reactions contribute to the problem.

Today, we're bringing you an episode about probably the most famous case in recent history - Harvey Weinstein. The allegations against Harvey Weinstein printed in both the New York Times and the New Yorker are broadly attributed to kicking off the MeToo movement. Recently his New York rape charge was dropped and his California charges were sent to resentencing. We wanted to talk about how this case, which was so talked about, came to our consciousness, and just barely squeaked through the legal system.

Show Notes:

At 9:04 Anuja says potential accuser and means potential accused
At 12:09 Jane says "I will defame you" and means "I will sue you"

Show notes may also be found on our Substack.

Court Documents

Criminal Charges:

The New York Charges:
New York News - Harvey Weinstein Surrenders to NYPD

Initial 2020 Conviction:
Harvey Weinstein is Found Guilty of Rape in #MeToo Watershed

Jan Ransom's Article that details why some Charges didn't stick

A Breakdown of the New York Testimony:
The Six Women Who Accused Harvey Weinstein At His Trial and What they Said

The Conviction is Overturned with Breakdown on Why From CBC News

The Article with the Sentence Jane Disliked -
"After the mixed verdict last year Ms. Mann said, 'I am ready, willing and able to endure this as many times as it takes for justice and accountability to be served.' But throughout this week, she has taken several brakes and has at times cried on the stand."

Takeaways from Week 2 In Testimony at the Harvey Weinstein Trial

Harvey Weinstein's Recent Rape Charge Dropped After Jury Deadlocks a Second Time

*To clarify Anuja and Jane's wording in the episode around how many times Jessica Mann had to testify:

She testified in front of a grand jury (which is essentially when you have to convince a jury that a crime happened and therefore it's worth prosecuting) and did three separate trials. The first trial, the conviction was overturned, and the second two, the jury deadlocked, meaning they couldn't come to a verdict.

The California Charges and Victims:
Harvey Weinstein's Los Angeles Trial Begins

California Court Upholds Conviction but Orders New Sentencing

On The Cross Examination Issue:
From The New York Courts - Cross Examination Rules state that as long as the questions fit any other rules that are set for cross, you can be examined on any witness evidence that is admitted into trial.

The Molineux Rule - This is the rule that got his conviction overturned (you can't use evidence of prior crimes that the defendant isn't currently being charged with. The thought process is that by including the accounts of the three women whose testimony did not lead to charges as evidence, you are assuming that he's guilty of those acts, that haven't been proven and that biases the jury.)

Background

The News Investigations:

Note: Most of the information around the reporting by Jodi, Megan, and Ronan is from these core sources. The stories you hear about victims of Harvey Weinstein like Zelda Perkins and Rowena Chiu are reported by both sets of journalists across their respective works. As stated, most of the quotes in this episode come from She Said. The quote from The New Yorker Lawyer responding to Weinstein's lawyer's allegations of Ronan Farrow's Bias comes from The Catch and Kill Podcast, Episode 7: Editors.

Additional Sources:

Support This Project

Thanks for listening and being a part of this conversation. This is a completely grassroots, independent project and our ability to continue depends on your support.

Subscribe to our Substack for additional content and please consider making a one time donation here. Any amount will help us continue.

It also helps to subscribe to this show and share it with a friend! Help grow the conversation.

Get in Touch!

If you have questions or ideas about the show we'd love to hear them!

Email us at defendantspodoutreach@protonmail.com

You can also find us on instagram: we're @thedefendantspodcast and Jane is @jane_aster_roe

If you want Jane to appear on your show, email Dalton Higgins at daltonhiggins@gmail.com.

Resources:

  • SA Survivor Resource Document - This document contains Canadian, U.S, and Global sources to find guidance, information, and aid for survivors of sexual assault. Detailed descriptions of each resource within the document.
]]> Tue, 11 Aug 2026 04:00:00 +0000 defendantspodoutreach@protonmail.com (Aster Roe Productions) https://defendants.simplecast.com/episodes/case-files-harvey-weinstein-pZrgwOPO The Defendants: Case Files is the next iteration of The Defendants. Our first six episodes explored how the justice system is set up, and why it doesn't work for cases involving sexual violence. We are working on our next six, which will further explore how we can change this system for the better. In the interim, we want to keep the conversation going, and we're doing that with Defendants: Case Files.

Once a month, myself and human rights expert Anuja Jaiswal are going to look into a specific case that caught our attention and ignited conversation. We're going to discuss what happened, why it played out that way, and what we think that can tell us about not just the justice system, but about us, and how our reactions contribute to the problem.

Today, we're bringing you an episode about probably the most famous case in recent history - Harvey Weinstein. The allegations against Harvey Weinstein printed in both the New York Times and the New Yorker are broadly attributed to kicking off the MeToo movement. Recently his New York rape charge was dropped and his California charges were sent to resentencing. We wanted to talk about how this case, which was so talked about, came to our consciousness, and just barely squeaked through the legal system.

Show Notes:

At 9:04 Anuja says potential accuser and means potential accused
At 12:09 Jane says "I will defame you" and means "I will sue you"

Show notes may also be found on our Substack.

Court Documents

Criminal Charges:

The New York Charges:
New York News - Harvey Weinstein Surrenders to NYPD

Initial 2020 Conviction:
Harvey Weinstein is Found Guilty of Rape in #MeToo Watershed

Jan Ransom's Article that details why some Charges didn't stick

A Breakdown of the New York Testimony:
The Six Women Who Accused Harvey Weinstein At His Trial and What they Said

The Conviction is Overturned with Breakdown on Why From CBC News

The Article with the Sentence Jane Disliked -
"After the mixed verdict last year Ms. Mann said, 'I am ready, willing and able to endure this as many times as it takes for justice and accountability to be served.' But throughout this week, she has taken several brakes and has at times cried on the stand."

Takeaways from Week 2 In Testimony at the Harvey Weinstein Trial

Harvey Weinstein's Recent Rape Charge Dropped After Jury Deadlocks a Second Time

*To clarify Anuja and Jane's wording in the episode around how many times Jessica Mann had to testify:

She testified in front of a grand jury (which is essentially when you have to convince a jury that a crime happened and therefore it's worth prosecuting) and did three separate trials. The first trial, the conviction was overturned, and the second two, the jury deadlocked, meaning they couldn't come to a verdict.

The California Charges and Victims:
Harvey Weinstein's Los Angeles Trial Begins

California Court Upholds Conviction but Orders New Sentencing

On The Cross Examination Issue:
From The New York Courts - Cross Examination Rules state that as long as the questions fit any other rules that are set for cross, you can be examined on any witness evidence that is admitted into trial.

The Molineux Rule - This is the rule that got his conviction overturned (you can't use evidence of prior crimes that the defendant isn't currently being charged with. The thought process is that by including the accounts of the three women whose testimony did not lead to charges as evidence, you are assuming that he's guilty of those acts, that haven't been proven and that biases the jury.)

Background

The News Investigations:

Note: Most of the information around the reporting by Jodi, Megan, and Ronan is from these core sources. The stories you hear about victims of Harvey Weinstein like Zelda Perkins and Rowena Chiu are reported by both sets of journalists across their respective works. As stated, most of the quotes in this episode come from She Said. The quote from The New Yorker Lawyer responding to Weinstein's lawyer's allegations of Ronan Farrow's Bias comes from The Catch and Kill Podcast, Episode 7: Editors.

Additional Sources:

Support This Project

Thanks for listening and being a part of this conversation. This is a completely grassroots, independent project and our ability to continue depends on your support.

Subscribe to our Substack for additional content and please consider making a one time donation here. Any amount will help us continue.

It also helps to subscribe to this show and share it with a friend! Help grow the conversation.

Get in Touch!

If you have questions or ideas about the show we'd love to hear them!

Email us at defendantspodoutreach@protonmail.com

You can also find us on instagram: we're @thedefendantspodcast and Jane is @jane_aster_roe

If you want Jane to appear on your show, email Dalton Higgins at daltonhiggins@gmail.com.

Resources:

  • SA Survivor Resource Document - This document contains Canadian, U.S, and Global sources to find guidance, information, and aid for survivors of sexual assault. Detailed descriptions of each resource within the document.
]]> Case Files: Harvey Weinstein Aster Roe Productions 01:15:48 The Defendants: Case Files is the next iteration of The Defendants. Our first six episodes explored how the justice system is set up, and why it doesn't work for cases involving sexual violence. We are working on our next six, which will further explore how we can change this system for the better. In the interim, we want to keep the conversation going, and we're doing that with Defendants: Case Files. Once a month, myself and human rights expert Anuja Jaiswal are going to look into a specific case that caught our attention and ignited conversation. We're going to discuss what happened, why it played out that way, and what we think that can tell us about not just the justice system, but about us, and how our reactions contribute to the problem. Today, we're bringing you an episode about probably the most famous case in recent history - Harvey Weinstein. The allegations against Harvey Weinstein printed in both the New York Times and the New Yorker are broadly attributed to kicking off the MeToo movement. Recently his New York rape charge was dropped and his California charges were sent to resentencing. We wanted to talk about how this case, which was so talked about, came to our consciousness, and just barely squeaked through the legal system. The Defendants: Case Files is the next iteration of The Defendants. Our first six episodes explored how the justice system is set up, and why it doesn't work for cases involving sexual violence. We are working on our next six, which will further explore how we can change this system for the better. In the interim, we want to keep the conversation going, and we're doing that with Defendants: Case Files. Once a month, myself and human rights expert Anuja Jaiswal are going to look into a specific case that caught our attention and ignited conversation. We're going to discuss what happened, why it played out that way, and what we think that can tell us about not just the justice system, but about us, and how our reactions contribute to the problem. Today, we're bringing you an episode about probably the most famous case in recent history - Harvey Weinstein. The allegations against Harvey Weinstein printed in both the New York Times and the New Yorker are broadly attributed to kicking off the MeToo movement. Recently his New York rape charge was dropped and his California charges were sent to resentencing. We wanted to talk about how this case, which was so talked about, came to our consciousness, and just barely squeaked through the legal system. false bonus 66563292-fdff-4b0f-9130-dca6a2961ed1 Marlee Liss - Storytelling, Somatic Healing and Re-Imagining Justice for Violence (FREE PREVIEW) When the body feels like a “crime scene”, how do you heal? Listen as Jane and Marlee Liss discuss healing after sexual violence, reconnecting with your body, why the court system so often fails survivors, and how restorative justice and a rethink of masculinity could offer a better path forward.

Marlee Liss is an award-winning speaker, leading survivor advocate, author and somatic educator. Her personal survivor case set precedent in the North American legal system, and in 2024 she founded Survivors 4 Justice Reform, a global, volunteer-run, survivor-led coalition that works to advance policy change that challenges the failures and violence of punitive, carceral systems.

Marlee shares how writing became central to her healing, from late-night scribbling to get the feelings out of her body, to a way of connecting with others. Her forthcoming book, If I Had Known Then (February 9th 2027), follows her experience of healing and fighting for justice after trauma. This was a conversation we were looking forward to for months, and it’s one you won’t want to miss. 

This is a 20-minute preview

The full 40-minute episode goes deeper into accountability, breaking cycles of violence, and rethinking masculinity. To hear it, become a paid subscriber on Apple Podcasts or on Substack.

As always, take care as you listen. This episode explores sexual violence, the criminal legal system, and alternative justice pathways, we have resources available in the show notes below.

Key Topics

00:22 - Expanding the conversation
01:04 - Writing after trauma
03:01 - Storytelling and empathy
04:23 - Dance: Detachment & reconnection
07:06 - Somatic healing: Our bodies have wisdom
11:46 - How the criminal legal system fails survivors
16:23 - We don't have to be complacent
18:37 - Justice doesn’t look the same for all survivors
19:30 - Survivors 4 Justice Reform

Links and Mentions

Further Listening

Check out The Defendants Episode 3 - The Perfect Victim: thedefendants.substack.com/episode-3-the-perfect-victim

Or, Episode 6 - I Went Through the Justice System and All I Got was a Branded Stress Ball: thedefendants.substack.com/episode-6-i-went-through-the-justice

Support This Project

YOU are how this project will grow. By listening you are helping new ideas and conversations take shape - both on the podcast, amongst your friends and beyond. Thank you for being here.

If our conversation with Marlee resonated with you, or if you learnt something new, here are a few of the ways you can support us:

  • Subscribe on Spotify, Apple or wherever you get your podcasts
  • Leave a 5 star review - it helps more people discover the show
  • Become a paid Substack subscriber. Access bonus episodes, subscriber only content and feel extra good knowing that your paid support helps us to continue the conversations we're having.
  • Make a one-time donation. Visit: https://buymeacoffee.com/thedefendants
  • Share with a friend and help grow the conversation

Get in Touch

We’d love to hear from you.
Do you have a question or an idea for the show?
A story you’d like to share?
Is there a person, organisation or business you think we should connect with?

Resources for Survivors

SA Survivor Resource Document - This document contains Canadian, U.S, and global sources to find guidance, information, and aid for survivors of sexual assault. Detailed descriptions of each resource within the document.

Our Team

Jane Aster Roe - Executive Producer, Host
Rachel Arundel - Executive Producer, Creative Director
Katie Jensen - Executive Producer, Editor, Sound Designer
Dawson Fleming - Production Assistant

Thank you for listening. Be kind to yourself and to one another.

]]> Mon, 3 Aug 2026 04:00:00 +0000 defendantspodoutreach@protonmail.com (Katie Jensen, Rachel Arundel, Jane Aster Roe, Dawson Fleming, Marlee Liss) https://defendants.simplecast.com/episodes/marlee-liss-storytelling-somatic-healing-and-re-imagining-justice-for-violence-tPaHHXtr When the body feels like a “crime scene”, how do you heal? Listen as Jane and Marlee Liss discuss healing after sexual violence, reconnecting with your body, why the court system so often fails survivors, and how restorative justice and a rethink of masculinity could offer a better path forward.

Marlee Liss is an award-winning speaker, leading survivor advocate, author and somatic educator. Her personal survivor case set precedent in the North American legal system, and in 2024 she founded Survivors 4 Justice Reform, a global, volunteer-run, survivor-led coalition that works to advance policy change that challenges the failures and violence of punitive, carceral systems.

Marlee shares how writing became central to her healing, from late-night scribbling to get the feelings out of her body, to a way of connecting with others. Her forthcoming book, If I Had Known Then (February 9th 2027), follows her experience of healing and fighting for justice after trauma. This was a conversation we were looking forward to for months, and it’s one you won’t want to miss. 

This is a 20-minute preview

The full 40-minute episode goes deeper into accountability, breaking cycles of violence, and rethinking masculinity. To hear it, become a paid subscriber on Apple Podcasts or on Substack.

As always, take care as you listen. This episode explores sexual violence, the criminal legal system, and alternative justice pathways, we have resources available in the show notes below.

Key Topics

00:22 - Expanding the conversation
01:04 - Writing after trauma
03:01 - Storytelling and empathy
04:23 - Dance: Detachment & reconnection
07:06 - Somatic healing: Our bodies have wisdom
11:46 - How the criminal legal system fails survivors
16:23 - We don't have to be complacent
18:37 - Justice doesn’t look the same for all survivors
19:30 - Survivors 4 Justice Reform

Links and Mentions

Further Listening

Check out The Defendants Episode 3 - The Perfect Victim: thedefendants.substack.com/episode-3-the-perfect-victim

Or, Episode 6 - I Went Through the Justice System and All I Got was a Branded Stress Ball: thedefendants.substack.com/episode-6-i-went-through-the-justice

Support This Project

YOU are how this project will grow. By listening you are helping new ideas and conversations take shape - both on the podcast, amongst your friends and beyond. Thank you for being here.

If our conversation with Marlee resonated with you, or if you learnt something new, here are a few of the ways you can support us:

  • Subscribe on Spotify, Apple or wherever you get your podcasts
  • Leave a 5 star review - it helps more people discover the show
  • Become a paid Substack subscriber. Access bonus episodes, subscriber only content and feel extra good knowing that your paid support helps us to continue the conversations we're having.
  • Make a one-time donation. Visit: https://buymeacoffee.com/thedefendants
  • Share with a friend and help grow the conversation

Get in Touch

We’d love to hear from you.
Do you have a question or an idea for the show?
A story you’d like to share?
Is there a person, organisation or business you think we should connect with?

Resources for Survivors

SA Survivor Resource Document - This document contains Canadian, U.S, and global sources to find guidance, information, and aid for survivors of sexual assault. Detailed descriptions of each resource within the document.

Our Team

Jane Aster Roe - Executive Producer, Host
Rachel Arundel - Executive Producer, Creative Director
Katie Jensen - Executive Producer, Editor, Sound Designer
Dawson Fleming - Production Assistant

Thank you for listening. Be kind to yourself and to one another.

]]> Marlee Liss - Storytelling, Somatic Healing and Re-Imagining Justice for Violence (FREE PREVIEW) Katie Jensen, Rachel Arundel, Jane Aster Roe, Dawson Fleming, Marlee Liss 00:19:53 When the body feels like a “crime scene”, how do you heal? Listen as Jane and Marlee Liss discuss healing after sexual violence, reconnecting with your body, why the court system so often fails survivors, and how restorative justice and a rethink of masculinity could offer a better path forward. When the body feels like a “crime scene”, how do you heal? Listen as Jane and Marlee Liss discuss healing after sexual violence, reconnecting with your body, why the court system so often fails survivors, and how restorative justice and a rethink of masculinity could offer a better path forward. false bonus 9684fd8b-707f-4e81-b597-29b77c24fa2d The Justice System Isn't Broken... ...it's working as designed. And it was never designed for survivors of sexual assault. Instead, victims are treated like guilty parties. Their clothes, drinking, memory - their entire history go on trial. They become the defendants, called upon to provide evidence for the prosecution and to act as witnesses to the crimes committed against them. So, what would a system that centers survivors actually look like?

Support This Project

YOU are how this project will grow. By listening you are helping new ideas and conversations take shape - both on the podcast, amongst your friends and beyond. Thank you for being here.

Get in Touch

We’d love to hear from you.
Do you have a question or an idea for the show?
A story you’d like to share?
Is there a person, organisation or business you think we should connect with?

Resources for Survivors

SA Survivor Resource Document - This document contains Canadian, U.S, and global sources to find guidance, information, and aid for survivors of sexual assault. Detailed descriptions of each resource within the document.

Our Team

Jane Aster Roe - Executive Producer, Host
Rachel Arundel - Executive Producer, Creative Director
Katie Jensen - Executive Producer, Editor, Sound Designer
Dawson Fleming - Production Assistant

Thank you for listening. Be kind to yourself and to one another.

]]> Mon, 6 Jul 2026 04:00:00 +0000 defendantspodoutreach@protonmail.com (Jane Aster Roe, Rachel Arundel, Katie Jensen, Jessica Strachan, Charlotte Gregg, Isis Madrid, Rachel Bromberg, Dawson Fleming, Michelle Crossman, Lindsey Keene, Cheryl Grossman, Dalton Higgins, Kathlyn Gardner) https://defendants.simplecast.com/episodes/the-justice-system-isnt-broken-its-working-as-designed-u0bVR0Yl ...it's working as designed. And it was never designed for survivors of sexual assault. Instead, victims are treated like guilty parties. Their clothes, drinking, memory - their entire history go on trial. They become the defendants, called upon to provide evidence for the prosecution and to act as witnesses to the crimes committed against them. So, what would a system that centers survivors actually look like?

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]]> The Justice System Isn't Broken... Jane Aster Roe, Rachel Arundel, Katie Jensen, Jessica Strachan, Charlotte Gregg, Isis Madrid, Rachel Bromberg, Dawson Fleming, Michelle Crossman, Lindsey Keene, Cheryl Grossman, Dalton Higgins, Kathlyn Gardner 00:01:53 ...it's working as designed. And it was never designed for survivors of sexual assault. Instead, victims are treated like guilty parties. Their clothes, drinking, memory - their entire history go on trial. They become the defendants, called upon to provide evidence for the prosecution and to act as witnesses to the crimes committed against them. So, what would a system that centers survivors actually look like? ...it's working as designed. And it was never designed for survivors of sexual assault. Instead, victims are treated like guilty parties. Their clothes, drinking, memory - their entire history go on trial. They become the defendants, called upon to provide evidence for the prosecution and to act as witnesses to the crimes committed against them. So, what would a system that centers survivors actually look like? false trailer 8388b21b-09f3-4aa5-a33b-a411f2165bcf I Went Through The Justice System And All I Got Was A Branded Stress Ball We’re talking about what survivors actually get out of the justice system and what they want out of it.

Key Topics

0:13 - Jane's trial
1:47 - Chanel Miller: guilty verdict, insufficient sentence
4:14 - What survivors want: accountability
5:36 - Denial as a second victimization
6:22 - Restorative justice
8:22 - Surrogates for when direct dialogue isn't safe or possible
11:51 - Civil litigation
13:51 - Contingency fees and the cost barrier
15:01 - NDAs and victim silence
17:22 - A new system: accountability over punishment

All sources, statistics, multimedia clips, and music credits are available on Substack.

About The Defendants

The Defendants is a podcast exploring how sexual assault cases move through the justice system… and why it never seems to work in favour of victims. We want to know what has to change within the system for it to actually work, and we are interrogating what justice means in the aftermath of trauma. This is a podcast where we figure out exactly how this system fails, why, and what to do about it.

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Resources for Survivors

SA Survivor Resource Document - This document contains Canadian, U.S, and global sources to find guidance, information, and aid for survivors of sexual assault. Detailed descriptions of each resource within the document.

Our Team

Jane Aster Roe - Executive Producer, Host
Rachel Arundel - Executive Producer
Katie Jensen - Executive Producer, Editor, Sound Designer
Jessica Strachan - Story Producer
Charlotte Gregg - Research Producer
Isis Madrid - Editor, Sound Designer
Rachel Bromberg - Fact Checker
Dawson Fleming - Production Assistant
Michelle Crossman - Mental Health Consultant
Lindsey Keene - Outreach Coordinator
Cheryl Grossman - Legal
Dalton Higgins - Publicity
Kathlyn Gardner - Events

Thank you for listening. Be kind to yourself and to one another.

]]> Thu, 25 Jun 2026 04:00:00 +0000 defendantspodoutreach@protonmail.com (Jane Aster Roe, Rachel Arundel, Katie Jensen, Jessica Strachan, Charlotte Gregg, Isis Madrid, Rachel Bromberg, Dawson Fleming, Michelle Crossman, Lindsey Keene, Cheryl Grossman, Dalton Higgins, Kathlyn Gardner) https://defendants.simplecast.com/episodes/i-went-through-the-justice-system-and-all-i-got-was-a-branded-stress-ball-HklZ7u9Y We’re talking about what survivors actually get out of the justice system and what they want out of it.

Key Topics

0:13 - Jane's trial
1:47 - Chanel Miller: guilty verdict, insufficient sentence
4:14 - What survivors want: accountability
5:36 - Denial as a second victimization
6:22 - Restorative justice
8:22 - Surrogates for when direct dialogue isn't safe or possible
11:51 - Civil litigation
13:51 - Contingency fees and the cost barrier
15:01 - NDAs and victim silence
17:22 - A new system: accountability over punishment

All sources, statistics, multimedia clips, and music credits are available on Substack.

About The Defendants

The Defendants is a podcast exploring how sexual assault cases move through the justice system… and why it never seems to work in favour of victims. We want to know what has to change within the system for it to actually work, and we are interrogating what justice means in the aftermath of trauma. This is a podcast where we figure out exactly how this system fails, why, and what to do about it.

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Resources for Survivors

SA Survivor Resource Document - This document contains Canadian, U.S, and global sources to find guidance, information, and aid for survivors of sexual assault. Detailed descriptions of each resource within the document.

Our Team

Jane Aster Roe - Executive Producer, Host
Rachel Arundel - Executive Producer
Katie Jensen - Executive Producer, Editor, Sound Designer
Jessica Strachan - Story Producer
Charlotte Gregg - Research Producer
Isis Madrid - Editor, Sound Designer
Rachel Bromberg - Fact Checker
Dawson Fleming - Production Assistant
Michelle Crossman - Mental Health Consultant
Lindsey Keene - Outreach Coordinator
Cheryl Grossman - Legal
Dalton Higgins - Publicity
Kathlyn Gardner - Events

Thank you for listening. Be kind to yourself and to one another.

]]> I Went Through The Justice System And All I Got Was A Branded Stress Ball Jane Aster Roe, Rachel Arundel, Katie Jensen, Jessica Strachan, Charlotte Gregg, Isis Madrid, Rachel Bromberg, Dawson Fleming, Michelle Crossman, Lindsey Keene, Cheryl Grossman, Dalton Higgins, Kathlyn Gardner 00:21:04 We’re talking about what survivors actually get out of the justice system and what they want out of it. We’re talking about what survivors actually get out of the justice system and what they want out of it. victim-centred approach, burden of proof, civil versus criminal court, alternative justice, mediation, harm reduction, confidentiality settlement, surrogate mediation, recidivism, victim empowerment, restorative justice, restitution, monetary damages, offender reoffending, victim rights, justice system reform, community justice, trauma-informed justice, victim accountability, reoffending rates, victim compensation, non-disclosure agreement, nda, victim support, victim compensation fund, dialogue-based justice, victim silence, restorative justice outcomes, victim satisfaction, victim impact statement, contingency fee, institutional accountability, civil court, institutional liability, standard of proof, victim needs, alternative sentencing, civil litigation, offender accountability, victim agency, victim services, victim-offender dialogue, accountability in justice, community accountability, victim healing, speedy trial, settlement conditions, lawyer fees false full 6 b41328e7-5047-4868-b758-c4b24968ce5e Record Scratch Rewind We’re going backwards so we can map our way forwards.

Key Topics

0:10 - The law has a gender
2:06 - Common law and British colonial history
3:15 - A system designed to exclude: patriarchal origins of law
6:11 - Women as property
8:11 - Spousal rape criminalized (1983)
8:24 - Consent enters the Canadian Criminal Code (1992)
9:17 - Rape shield laws (1992)
9:55 - Why the system moves so slowly
10:32 - Reactionary periods and stalled progress
11:41 - Revenge porn and deepfakes
12:38 - "Consent is like a cup of tea" metaphor and stealthing
13:43 - Life after #MeToo

All sources, statistics, multimedia clips, and music credits are available on Substack.

About The Defendants

The Defendants is a podcast exploring how sexual assault cases move through the justice system… and why it never seems to work in favour of victims. We want to know what has to change within the system for it to actually work, and we are interrogating what justice means in the aftermath of trauma. This is a podcast where we figure out exactly how this system fails, why, and what to do about it.

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Resources for Survivors

SA Survivor Resource Document - This document contains Canadian, U.S, and global sources to find guidance, information, and aid for survivors of sexual assault. Detailed descriptions of each resource within the document.

Our Team

Jane Aster Roe - Executive Producer, Host
Rachel Arundel - Executive Producer
Katie Jensen - Executive Producer, Editor, Sound Designer
Jessica Strachan - Story Producer
Charlotte Gregg - Research Producer
Isis Madrid - Editor, Sound Designer
Rachel Bromberg - Fact Checker
Dawson Fleming - Production Assistant
Michelle Crossman - Mental Health Consultant
Lindsey Keene - Outreach Coordinator
Cheryl Grossman - Legal
Dalton Higgins - Publicity
Kathlyn Gardner - Events

Thank you for listening. Be kind to yourself and to one another.

]]> Thu, 18 Jun 2026 04:00:00 +0000 defendantspodoutreach@protonmail.com (Jane Aster Roe, Rachel Arundel, Katie Jensen, Jessica Strachan, Charlotte Gregg, Isis Madrid, Rachel Bromberg, Dawson Fleming, Michelle Crossman, Lindsey Keene, Cheryl Grossman, Dalton Higgins, Kathlyn Gardner) https://defendants.simplecast.com/episodes/record-scratch-rewind-kOe01QG0 We’re going backwards so we can map our way forwards.

Key Topics

0:10 - The law has a gender
2:06 - Common law and British colonial history
3:15 - A system designed to exclude: patriarchal origins of law
6:11 - Women as property
8:11 - Spousal rape criminalized (1983)
8:24 - Consent enters the Canadian Criminal Code (1992)
9:17 - Rape shield laws (1992)
9:55 - Why the system moves so slowly
10:32 - Reactionary periods and stalled progress
11:41 - Revenge porn and deepfakes
12:38 - "Consent is like a cup of tea" metaphor and stealthing
13:43 - Life after #MeToo

All sources, statistics, multimedia clips, and music credits are available on Substack.

About The Defendants

The Defendants is a podcast exploring how sexual assault cases move through the justice system… and why it never seems to work in favour of victims. We want to know what has to change within the system for it to actually work, and we are interrogating what justice means in the aftermath of trauma. This is a podcast where we figure out exactly how this system fails, why, and what to do about it.

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Resources for Survivors

SA Survivor Resource Document - This document contains Canadian, U.S, and global sources to find guidance, information, and aid for survivors of sexual assault. Detailed descriptions of each resource within the document.

Our Team

Jane Aster Roe - Executive Producer, Host
Rachel Arundel - Executive Producer
Katie Jensen - Executive Producer, Editor, Sound Designer
Jessica Strachan - Story Producer
Charlotte Gregg - Research Producer
Isis Madrid - Editor, Sound Designer
Rachel Bromberg - Fact Checker
Dawson Fleming - Production Assistant
Michelle Crossman - Mental Health Consultant
Lindsey Keene - Outreach Coordinator
Cheryl Grossman - Legal
Dalton Higgins - Publicity
Kathlyn Gardner - Events

Thank you for listening. Be kind to yourself and to one another.

]]> Record Scratch Rewind Jane Aster Roe, Rachel Arundel, Katie Jensen, Jessica Strachan, Charlotte Gregg, Isis Madrid, Rachel Bromberg, Dawson Fleming, Michelle Crossman, Lindsey Keene, Cheryl Grossman, Dalton Higgins, Kathlyn Gardner 00:16:22 We’re going backwards so we can map our way forwards. We’re going backwards so we can map our way forwards. consent definition, deepfake pornography, technology and consent, british common law, internet safety, sexual assault law history, criminal code canada, sexual assault law changes, women and the law, consent legislation, stealthing law, rape law history, women's autonomy law, legal precedent system, #metoo, sexual assault law evolution, colonial legal system, victim protection law, rape shield law, consent law, historical discrimination, gender and law, case law, stealthing, legal reform, common law system, women's property rights, spousal rape law, me too movement, law and society, non-consensual pornography, sexual coercion, legal history canada, revenge porn, spousal rape, informed consent, women's suffrage, deepfake legislation, consent withdrawal, legal precedent, legal history united states, women's legal rights, marital rape false full 5 526b16b2-26be-4b0e-bced-0b505d46a845 Not Guilty We’re looking at what it takes to get a verdict of guilty or not guilty and what it means.

Key Topics

1:00 - The numbers: 2 guilty verdicts out of 1,000 assaults
1:25 - Guilty vs not guilty: what the terms mean
1:42 - Beyond all reasonable doubt
4:03 - Narratives that can be created around facts
6:04 - What is considered evidence?
7:32 - Why do prosecutors drop cases?
9:04 - The odds of winning sexual assault cases
10:48 - Jury bias, victim performance, trauma from trial
13:27 - Speedy trial law and stayed charges
16:35 - When the legal outcome doesn't match evidence of harm

All sources, statistics, multimedia clips, and music credits are available on Substack.

About The Defendants

The Defendants is a podcast exploring how sexual assault cases move through the justice system… and why it never seems to work in favour of victims. We want to know what has to change within the system for it to actually work, and we are interrogating what justice means in the aftermath of trauma. This is a podcast where we figure out exactly how this system fails, why, and what to do about it.

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Resources for Survivors

SA Survivor Resource Document - This document contains Canadian, U.S, and global sources to find guidance, information, and aid for survivors of sexual assault. Detailed descriptions of each resource within the document.

Our Team

Jane Aster Roe - Executive Producer, Host
Rachel Arundel - Executive Producer
Katie Jensen - Executive Producer, Editor, Sound Designer
Jessica Strachan - Story Producer
Charlotte Gregg - Research Producer
Isis Madrid - Editor, Sound Designer
Rachel Bromberg - Fact Checker
Dawson Fleming - Production Assistant
Michelle Crossman - Mental Health Consultant
Lindsey Keene - Outreach Coordinator
Cheryl Grossman - Legal
Dalton Higgins - Publicity
Kathlyn Gardner - Events

Thank you for listening. Be kind to yourself and to one another.

]]> Thu, 11 Jun 2026 04:00:00 +0000 defendantspodoutreach@protonmail.com (Jane Aster Roe, Rachel Arundel, Katie Jensen, Jessica Strachan, Charlotte Gregg, Isis Madrid, Rachel Bromberg, Dawson Fleming, Michelle Crossman, Lindsey Keene, Cheryl Grossman, Dalton Higgins, Kathlyn Gardner) https://defendants.simplecast.com/episodes/not-guilty-zRQZ6sAa We’re looking at what it takes to get a verdict of guilty or not guilty and what it means.

Key Topics

1:00 - The numbers: 2 guilty verdicts out of 1,000 assaults
1:25 - Guilty vs not guilty: what the terms mean
1:42 - Beyond all reasonable doubt
4:03 - Narratives that can be created around facts
6:04 - What is considered evidence?
7:32 - Why do prosecutors drop cases?
9:04 - The odds of winning sexual assault cases
10:48 - Jury bias, victim performance, trauma from trial
13:27 - Speedy trial law and stayed charges
16:35 - When the legal outcome doesn't match evidence of harm

All sources, statistics, multimedia clips, and music credits are available on Substack.

About The Defendants

The Defendants is a podcast exploring how sexual assault cases move through the justice system… and why it never seems to work in favour of victims. We want to know what has to change within the system for it to actually work, and we are interrogating what justice means in the aftermath of trauma. This is a podcast where we figure out exactly how this system fails, why, and what to do about it.

Support This Project

Thanks for listening and being a part of this conversation. This is a completely grassroots, independent podcast. Your support directly funds our ability to continue. 

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Resources for Survivors

SA Survivor Resource Document - This document contains Canadian, U.S, and global sources to find guidance, information, and aid for survivors of sexual assault. Detailed descriptions of each resource within the document.

Our Team

Jane Aster Roe - Executive Producer, Host
Rachel Arundel - Executive Producer
Katie Jensen - Executive Producer, Editor, Sound Designer
Jessica Strachan - Story Producer
Charlotte Gregg - Research Producer
Isis Madrid - Editor, Sound Designer
Rachel Bromberg - Fact Checker
Dawson Fleming - Production Assistant
Michelle Crossman - Mental Health Consultant
Lindsey Keene - Outreach Coordinator
Cheryl Grossman - Legal
Dalton Higgins - Publicity
Kathlyn Gardner - Events

Thank you for listening. Be kind to yourself and to one another.

]]> Not Guilty Jane Aster Roe, Rachel Arundel, Katie Jensen, Jessica Strachan, Charlotte Gregg, Isis Madrid, Rachel Bromberg, Dawson Fleming, Michelle Crossman, Lindsey Keene, Cheryl Grossman, Dalton Higgins, Kathlyn Gardner 00:20:36 We’re looking at what it takes to get a verdict of guilty or not guilty and what it means. We’re looking at what it takes to get a verdict of guilty or not guilty and what it means. defence attorney, trial outcomes, judge trial, burden of proof, sexual assault prosecution, case withdrawal statistics, trial trauma, victim re-traumatisation, case attrition, he said she said, withdrawn charges, sexual assault evidence, jury trial, victim credibility, acquittal rates, court process sexual assault, not guilty verdict, reasonable doubt standard, guilty verdict, conviction rates canada, sentencing, legal system failures, rape conviction statistics, victim impact statement, witness testimony, stay of charges, trial process, acquittal, bench trial, crown prosecutor, justice system outcomes, beyond reasonable doubt, cross-examination technique, sexual assault conviction rates, defence lawyer strategy, physical evidence, canadian criminal justice false full 4 11d335a3-52db-417c-980c-685609c70546 The Perfect Victim We’re looking at what makes an ideal victim in the eyes of the law, and society, and who is more likely to be believed.

Key Topics

0:11 - The week before Jane's case went to trial
1:57 - The damsel in distress archetype
3:17 - Nils Christie's ideal victim theory
4:51 - Phil's story: when male survivors are dismissed
8:00 - Ann's case: when victims don't fit the mold
9:34 - Race and credibility
11:03 - Vanessa's story: when assumptions are made
12:25 - Lem's experience: becoming your own advocate
13:06 - Mental illness and credibility
18:40 - Why the "perfect victim" stereotype is a trap

All sources, statistics, multimedia clips, and music credits are available on Substack.

About The Defendants

The Defendants is a podcast exploring how sexual assault cases move through the justice system… and why it never seems to work in favour of victims. We want to know what has to change within the system for it to actually work, and we are interrogating what justice means in the aftermath of trauma. This is a podcast where we figure out exactly how this system fails, why, and what to do about it.

Support This Project

Thanks for listening and being a part of this conversation. This is a completely grassroots, independent podcast. Your support directly funds our ability to continue. 

Get in Touch

Resources for Survivors

SA Survivor Resource Document - This document contains Canadian, U.S, and global sources to find guidance, information, and aid for survivors of sexual assault. Detailed descriptions of each resource within the document.

Our Team

Jane Aster Roe - Executive Producer, Host
Rachel Arundel - Executive Producer
Katie Jensen - Executive Producer, Editor, Sound Designer
Jessica Strachan - Story Producer
Charlotte Gregg - Research Producer
Isis Madrid - Editor, Sound Designer
Rachel Bromberg - Fact Checker
Dawson Fleming - Production Assistant
Michelle Crossman - Mental Health Consultant
Lindsey Keene - Outreach Coordinator
Cheryl Grossman - Legal
Dalton Higgins - Publicity
Kathlyn Gardner - Events

Thank you for listening. Be kind to yourself and to one another.

]]> Thu, 4 Jun 2026 04:00:00 +0000 defendantspodoutreach@protonmail.com (Jane Aster Roe, Rachel Arundel, Katie Jensen, Jessica Strachan, Charlotte Gregg, Isis Madrid, Rachel Bromberg, Dawson Fleming, Michelle Crossman, Lindsey Keene, Cheryl Grossman, Dalton Higgins, Kathlyn Gardner) https://defendants.simplecast.com/episodes/the-perfect-victim-s7TS7cYQ We’re looking at what makes an ideal victim in the eyes of the law, and society, and who is more likely to be believed.

Key Topics

0:11 - The week before Jane's case went to trial
1:57 - The damsel in distress archetype
3:17 - Nils Christie's ideal victim theory
4:51 - Phil's story: when male survivors are dismissed
8:00 - Ann's case: when victims don't fit the mold
9:34 - Race and credibility
11:03 - Vanessa's story: when assumptions are made
12:25 - Lem's experience: becoming your own advocate
13:06 - Mental illness and credibility
18:40 - Why the "perfect victim" stereotype is a trap

All sources, statistics, multimedia clips, and music credits are available on Substack.

About The Defendants

The Defendants is a podcast exploring how sexual assault cases move through the justice system… and why it never seems to work in favour of victims. We want to know what has to change within the system for it to actually work, and we are interrogating what justice means in the aftermath of trauma. This is a podcast where we figure out exactly how this system fails, why, and what to do about it.

Support This Project

Thanks for listening and being a part of this conversation. This is a completely grassroots, independent podcast. Your support directly funds our ability to continue. 

Get in Touch

Resources for Survivors

SA Survivor Resource Document - This document contains Canadian, U.S, and global sources to find guidance, information, and aid for survivors of sexual assault. Detailed descriptions of each resource within the document.

Our Team

Jane Aster Roe - Executive Producer, Host
Rachel Arundel - Executive Producer
Katie Jensen - Executive Producer, Editor, Sound Designer
Jessica Strachan - Story Producer
Charlotte Gregg - Research Producer
Isis Madrid - Editor, Sound Designer
Rachel Bromberg - Fact Checker
Dawson Fleming - Production Assistant
Michelle Crossman - Mental Health Consultant
Lindsey Keene - Outreach Coordinator
Cheryl Grossman - Legal
Dalton Higgins - Publicity
Kathlyn Gardner - Events

Thank you for listening. Be kind to yourself and to one another.

]]> The Perfect Victim Jane Aster Roe, Rachel Arundel, Katie Jensen, Jessica Strachan, Charlotte Gregg, Isis Madrid, Rachel Bromberg, Dawson Fleming, Michelle Crossman, Lindsey Keene, Cheryl Grossman, Dalton Higgins, Kathlyn Gardner 00:20:35 We’re looking at what makes an ideal victim in the eyes of the law, and society, and who is more likely to be believed. We’re looking at what makes an ideal victim in the eyes of the law, and society, and who is more likely to be believed. victim believability, sexual assault prosecution, trauma and testimony, courtroom bias, victim archetypes, victim advocacy, vulnerable populations, race and believability, victim shaming, victim rights, victim credibility, victim worthiness, victim selection, drug use and credibility, police interview, mental health victim support, victim testimony challenges, racial disparities sexual assault, victim support, canadian legal system, marginalized victims, witness credibility, mental health and sexual assault, victim stereotypes, cross-examination tactics, mental illness and credibility, victim blame, autism and police, prosecutor bias, survivor credibility, racial bias justice system, victim credibility race, rape myths, victim protection, victim trauma, substance use victims, nils christie, bipolar disorder, assault survivor, sexual assault statistics, victim discrimination, judicial bias, justice system bias false full 3 eb5a51ba-b6c4-48f9-a222-49975f4698e6 You Have The Right To An Attorney We’re trying to understand how we can better insert victims rights into the legal process… without superseding the rights for accused individuals.

Key Topics

0:10 - Accused rights and victim rights
3:56 - Jane's police interview
6:32 - Understanding legal terminology: complainant, defendant, accused
7:51 - Who supports victims through the system
10:57 - Shannon's story: the permanence and power of a statement
12:07 - Cross-examination and victim preparation
15:18 - Defence lawyer perspectives
20:16 - Striking a balance between accused and complainants' rights

All sources, statistics, multimedia clips, and music credits are available on Substack.

About The Defendants

The Defendants is a podcast exploring how sexual assault cases move through the justice system… and why it never seems to work in favour of victims. We want to know what has to change within the system for it to actually work, and we are interrogating what justice means in the aftermath of trauma. This is a podcast where we figure out exactly how this system fails, why, and what to do about it.

Support This Project

Thanks for listening and being a part of this conversation. This is a completely grassroots, independent podcast. Your support directly funds our ability to continue. 

Get in Touch

Resources for Survivors

SA Survivor Resource Document - This document contains Canadian, U.S, and global sources to find guidance, information, and aid for survivors of sexual assault. Detailed descriptions of each resource within the document.

Our Team

Jane Aster Roe - Executive Producer, Host
Rachel Arundel - Executive Producer
Katie Jensen - Executive Producer, Editor, Sound Designer
Jessica Strachan - Story Producer
Charlotte Gregg - Research Producer
Isis Madrid - Editor, Sound Designer
Rachel Bromberg - Fact Checker
Dawson Fleming - Production Assistant
Michelle Crossman - Mental Health Consultant
Lindsey Keene - Outreach Coordinator
Cheryl Grossman - Legal
Dalton Higgins - Publicity
Kathlyn Gardner - Events

Thank you for listening. Be kind to yourself and to one another.

]]> Thu, 28 May 2026 04:00:00 +0000 defendantspodoutreach@protonmail.com (Jane Aster Roe, Rachel Arundel, Katie Jensen, Jessica Strachan, Charlotte Gregg, Isis Madrid, Rachel Bromberg, Dawson Fleming, Michelle Crossman, Lindsey Keene, Cheryl Grossman, Dalton Higgins, Kathlyn Gardner) https://defendants.simplecast.com/episodes/you-have-the-right-to-an-attorney-jG_viO58 We’re trying to understand how we can better insert victims rights into the legal process… without superseding the rights for accused individuals.

Key Topics

0:10 - Accused rights and victim rights
3:56 - Jane's police interview
6:32 - Understanding legal terminology: complainant, defendant, accused
7:51 - Who supports victims through the system
10:57 - Shannon's story: the permanence and power of a statement
12:07 - Cross-examination and victim preparation
15:18 - Defence lawyer perspectives
20:16 - Striking a balance between accused and complainants' rights

All sources, statistics, multimedia clips, and music credits are available on Substack.

About The Defendants

The Defendants is a podcast exploring how sexual assault cases move through the justice system… and why it never seems to work in favour of victims. We want to know what has to change within the system for it to actually work, and we are interrogating what justice means in the aftermath of trauma. This is a podcast where we figure out exactly how this system fails, why, and what to do about it.

Support This Project

Thanks for listening and being a part of this conversation. This is a completely grassroots, independent podcast. Your support directly funds our ability to continue. 

Get in Touch

Resources for Survivors

SA Survivor Resource Document - This document contains Canadian, U.S, and global sources to find guidance, information, and aid for survivors of sexual assault. Detailed descriptions of each resource within the document.

Our Team

Jane Aster Roe - Executive Producer, Host
Rachel Arundel - Executive Producer
Katie Jensen - Executive Producer, Editor, Sound Designer
Jessica Strachan - Story Producer
Charlotte Gregg - Research Producer
Isis Madrid - Editor, Sound Designer
Rachel Bromberg - Fact Checker
Dawson Fleming - Production Assistant
Michelle Crossman - Mental Health Consultant
Lindsey Keene - Outreach Coordinator
Cheryl Grossman - Legal
Dalton Higgins - Publicity
Kathlyn Gardner - Events

Thank you for listening. Be kind to yourself and to one another.

]]> You Have The Right To An Attorney Jane Aster Roe, Rachel Arundel, Katie Jensen, Jessica Strachan, Charlotte Gregg, Isis Madrid, Rachel Bromberg, Dawson Fleming, Michelle Crossman, Lindsey Keene, Cheryl Grossman, Dalton Higgins, Kathlyn Gardner 00:24:18 We’re trying to understand how we can better insert victims rights into the legal process… without superseding the rights for accused individuals. We’re trying to understand how we can better insert victims rights into the legal process… without superseding the rights for accused individuals. victim-centred approach, sexual assault prosecution, court trauma, crown attorney, victim empowerment, sexual violence, courtroom, restitution, victim advocacy, victim support services, survivor podcast, right to attorney, victim rights, justice system reform, victim-survivor, trauma-informed justice, accused rights, canadian justice, innocent until proven guilty, police interview, criminal procedure, legal testimony, sexual assault podcast, canadian legal system, criminal justice system, court process, systemic justice reform, victim impact statement, witness testimony, complainant, victim service worker, trial process, victim-centered approach, prosecutor, law podcast, charter of rights and freedoms, legal jargon, legal rights, victim protection, victim trauma, sexual assault, cross examination, criminal law podcast, defence lawyer, fair trial, assault survivor, witness preparation, child and youth advocate, survivors' rights, defence rights, self-incrimination, court experience, criminal defence false full 2 6fe7a796-8875-40cc-beb7-2dbff941d2a1 First Encounters We take a look at first encounters: with the justice system, with telling someone, and with the law. We’re looking beyond the headlines to the root issues underneath, and we’re exploring the first steps in the process for victims: disclosure and the decision to go to the police. 

Key Topics

0:16 - Jane's personal disclosure story
2:13 - Headlines of the #MeToo Era
3:20 - Sexual assault statistics and underreporting
5:32 - The justice system is not broken (because it has never worked)
7:17 - Shannon's story: breaking five years of silence
11:32 - Riley's experience: deciding not to go to the police after experiencing grooming
12:20 - Georgia's experience: deciding not to go to the police after experiencing molestation
12:58 - Cait's experience: eight years in the system
13:45 - Victims' understanding of the legal system
15:17 - Getting independent legal advice
18:42 - What needs to change?

All sources, statistics, multimedia clips, and music credits are available on Substack.

About The Defendants

The Defendants is a podcast exploring how sexual assault cases move through the justice system… and why it never seems to work in favour of victims. We want to know what has to change within the system for it to actually work, and we are interrogating what justice means in the aftermath of trauma. This is a podcast where we figure out exactly how this system fails, why, and what to do about it.

Support This Project

Thanks for listening and being a part of this conversation. This is a completely grassroots, independent podcast. Your support directly funds our ability to continue. 

Get in Touch

Resources for Survivors

SA Survivor Resource Document - This document contains Canadian, U.S, and global sources to find guidance, information, and aid for survivors of sexual assault. Detailed descriptions of each resource within the document.

Our Team

Jane Aster Roe - Executive Producer, Host
Rachel Arundel - Executive Producer
Katie Jensen - Executive Producer, Editor, Sound Designer
Jessica Strachan - Story Producer
Charlotte Gregg - Research Producer
Isis Madrid - Editor, Sound Designer
Rachel Bromberg - Fact Checker
Dawson Fleming - Production Assistant
Michelle Crossman - Mental Health Consultant
Lindsey Keene - Outreach Coordinator
Cheryl Grossman - Legal
Dalton Higgins - Publicity
Kathlyn Gardner - Events

Thank you for listening. Be kind to yourself and to one another.

]]> Wed, 20 May 2026 13:38:36 +0000 defendantspodoutreach@protonmail.com (Jane Aster Roe, Rachel Arundel, Katie Jensen, Jessica Strachan, Charlotte Gregg, Isis Madrid, Rachel Bromberg, Dawson Fleming, Michelle Crossman, Lindsey Keene, Cheryl Grossman, Dalton Higgins, Kathlyn Gardner) https://defendants.simplecast.com/episodes/first-encounters-Oh09Nbio We take a look at first encounters: with the justice system, with telling someone, and with the law. We’re looking beyond the headlines to the root issues underneath, and we’re exploring the first steps in the process for victims: disclosure and the decision to go to the police. 

Key Topics

0:16 - Jane's personal disclosure story
2:13 - Headlines of the #MeToo Era
3:20 - Sexual assault statistics and underreporting
5:32 - The justice system is not broken (because it has never worked)
7:17 - Shannon's story: breaking five years of silence
11:32 - Riley's experience: deciding not to go to the police after experiencing grooming
12:20 - Georgia's experience: deciding not to go to the police after experiencing molestation
12:58 - Cait's experience: eight years in the system
13:45 - Victims' understanding of the legal system
15:17 - Getting independent legal advice
18:42 - What needs to change?

All sources, statistics, multimedia clips, and music credits are available on Substack.

About The Defendants

The Defendants is a podcast exploring how sexual assault cases move through the justice system… and why it never seems to work in favour of victims. We want to know what has to change within the system for it to actually work, and we are interrogating what justice means in the aftermath of trauma. This is a podcast where we figure out exactly how this system fails, why, and what to do about it.

Support This Project

Thanks for listening and being a part of this conversation. This is a completely grassroots, independent podcast. Your support directly funds our ability to continue. 

Get in Touch

Resources for Survivors

SA Survivor Resource Document - This document contains Canadian, U.S, and global sources to find guidance, information, and aid for survivors of sexual assault. Detailed descriptions of each resource within the document.

Our Team

Jane Aster Roe - Executive Producer, Host
Rachel Arundel - Executive Producer
Katie Jensen - Executive Producer, Editor, Sound Designer
Jessica Strachan - Story Producer
Charlotte Gregg - Research Producer
Isis Madrid - Editor, Sound Designer
Rachel Bromberg - Fact Checker
Dawson Fleming - Production Assistant
Michelle Crossman - Mental Health Consultant
Lindsey Keene - Outreach Coordinator
Cheryl Grossman - Legal
Dalton Higgins - Publicity
Kathlyn Gardner - Events

Thank you for listening. Be kind to yourself and to one another.

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About The Defendants

The Defendants is a podcast exploring how sexual assault cases move through the justice system… and why it never seems to work in favour of victims. We want to know what has to change within the system for it to actually work, and we are interrogating what justice means in the aftermath of trauma. This is a podcast where we figure out exactly how this system fails, why, and what to do about it.

Support This Project

Thanks for listening and being a part of this conversation. This is a completely grassroots, independent podcast. Your support directly funds our ability to continue. 

Get in Touch

Resources for Survivors

SA Survivor Resource Document - This document contains Canadian, U.S, and global sources to find guidance, information, and aid for survivors of sexual assault. Detailed descriptions of each resource within the document.

Our Team

Jane Aster Roe - Executive Producer, Host
Rachel Arundel - Executive Producer
Katie Jensen - Executive Producer, Editor, Sound Designer
Jessica Strachan - Story Producer
Charlotte Gregg - Research Producer
Isis Madrid - Editor, Sound Designer
Rachel Bromberg - Fact Checker
Dawson Fleming - Production Assistant
Michelle Crossman - Mental Health Consultant
Lindsey Keene - Outreach Coordinator
Cheryl Grossman - Legal
Dalton Higgins - Publicity
Kathlyn Gardner - Events

Thank you for listening. Be kind to yourself and to one another.

]]> Mon, 20 Apr 2026 04:00:00 +0000 defendantspodoutreach@protonmail.com (Aster Roe Productions) https://defendants.simplecast.com/episodes/i-told-a-friend-2AMJAksK I didn’t know how to talk about it. Or even what to call it. First, I told a friend. The Defendants is a podcast about what happens after.. how sexual assault cases move through the justice system, and why so many of them fall apart. It starts here. This is The Defendants.

About The Defendants

The Defendants is a podcast exploring how sexual assault cases move through the justice system… and why it never seems to work in favour of victims. We want to know what has to change within the system for it to actually work, and we are interrogating what justice means in the aftermath of trauma. This is a podcast where we figure out exactly how this system fails, why, and what to do about it.

Support This Project

Thanks for listening and being a part of this conversation. This is a completely grassroots, independent podcast. Your support directly funds our ability to continue. 

Get in Touch

Resources for Survivors

SA Survivor Resource Document - This document contains Canadian, U.S, and global sources to find guidance, information, and aid for survivors of sexual assault. Detailed descriptions of each resource within the document.

Our Team

Jane Aster Roe - Executive Producer, Host
Rachel Arundel - Executive Producer
Katie Jensen - Executive Producer, Editor, Sound Designer
Jessica Strachan - Story Producer
Charlotte Gregg - Research Producer
Isis Madrid - Editor, Sound Designer
Rachel Bromberg - Fact Checker
Dawson Fleming - Production Assistant
Michelle Crossman - Mental Health Consultant
Lindsey Keene - Outreach Coordinator
Cheryl Grossman - Legal
Dalton Higgins - Publicity
Kathlyn Gardner - Events

Thank you for listening. Be kind to yourself and to one another.

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About The Defendants

The Defendants is a podcast exploring how sexual assault cases move through the justice system… and why it never seems to work in favour of victims. We want to know what has to change within the system for it to actually work, and we are interrogating what justice means in the aftermath of trauma. This is a podcast where we figure out exactly how this system fails, why, and what to do about it.

Support This Project

Thanks for listening and being a part of this conversation. This is a completely grassroots, independent podcast. Your support directly funds our ability to continue. 

Get in Touch

Resources for Survivors

SA Survivor Resource Document - This document contains Canadian, U.S, and global sources to find guidance, information, and aid for survivors of sexual assault. Detailed descriptions of each resource within the document.

Our Team

Jane Aster Roe - Executive Producer, Host
Rachel Arundel - Executive Producer
Katie Jensen - Executive Producer, Editor, Sound Designer
Jessica Strachan - Story Producer
Charlotte Gregg - Research Producer
Isis Madrid - Editor, Sound Designer
Rachel Bromberg - Fact Checker
Dawson Fleming - Production Assistant
Michelle Crossman - Mental Health Consultant
Lindsey Keene - Outreach Coordinator
Cheryl Grossman - Legal
Dalton Higgins - Publicity
Kathlyn Gardner - Events

Thank you for listening. Be kind to yourself and to one another.

]]> Sat, 28 Feb 2026 23:14:01 +0000 defendantspodoutreach@protonmail.com (Aster Roe Productions) https://defendants.simplecast.com/episodes/what-is-the-defendants-4eys0L90 The Defendants is a podcast exploring how sexual assault cases move through the justice system… and why it never seems to work in favour of victims. We want to know what has to change within the system for it to actually work, and we are interrogating what justice means in the aftermath of trauma. This is a podcast where we figure out exactly how this system fails, why, and what to do about it. 

About The Defendants

The Defendants is a podcast exploring how sexual assault cases move through the justice system… and why it never seems to work in favour of victims. We want to know what has to change within the system for it to actually work, and we are interrogating what justice means in the aftermath of trauma. This is a podcast where we figure out exactly how this system fails, why, and what to do about it.

Support This Project

Thanks for listening and being a part of this conversation. This is a completely grassroots, independent podcast. Your support directly funds our ability to continue. 

Get in Touch

Resources for Survivors

SA Survivor Resource Document - This document contains Canadian, U.S, and global sources to find guidance, information, and aid for survivors of sexual assault. Detailed descriptions of each resource within the document.

Our Team

Jane Aster Roe - Executive Producer, Host
Rachel Arundel - Executive Producer
Katie Jensen - Executive Producer, Editor, Sound Designer
Jessica Strachan - Story Producer
Charlotte Gregg - Research Producer
Isis Madrid - Editor, Sound Designer
Rachel Bromberg - Fact Checker
Dawson Fleming - Production Assistant
Michelle Crossman - Mental Health Consultant
Lindsey Keene - Outreach Coordinator
Cheryl Grossman - Legal
Dalton Higgins - Publicity
Kathlyn Gardner - Events

Thank you for listening. Be kind to yourself and to one another.

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