• Remoy starts out by asking why Samantha wanted to start this podcast.
  • Samantha remembers the inciting incident and the events that followed.
  • She talks about her motivations for engineering the show and what she wanted for her and for you, the listeners, to get out of it.
  • She reveals that her motivations were not just for men.
• Remoy also asks why Samantha tapped him specifically to do it.
  • She shares the importance of this conversation.
• She shares her hopes for men and masculinity going forward and how that has changed over the years.
• For a brief walk down memory lane, Samantha chooses three clips from episodes over the last five seasons as friendly reminders.
  • In Season 4, the hosts got into why Phil Dunphy is the perfect character to explore MASKulinity
  • In Season 3, sex educator Wazina Zondon and reproductive justice advocate Andrew Stern of NIRH (at the time) had stopped by the pod to talk sex education with us
    • Why are folks so afraid to talk to boys about anything, but specifically, about sex?
  • In Season 1, we talked about why men fight…
    • Samantha had to find out whether Remoy had finally been in one.
    • Is men wanting to fight innate or conditioning?
• Samantha takes a moment to thank you, listeners, for sticking with the podcast all these years. Thank you for giving a shit!
• Remoy thanks Samantha for spawning this podcast and inviting him along this adventure.
• Lastly, Samantha may be exiting, but the show may not end! It’s just a see you later for now…. If you know anyone who can support the production of this conversation in any way, please let us know! Samantha will monitor emails - maskulinitypodcast@gmail.com - and socials for a while. You can find us at @maskulinitypod on all platforms. To reach Samantha directly, you can find her on Threads or IG at @samanthal_n.

Thank you so much for listening!

Referenced on this episode:

• The Brock Turner case that started it all
• In TV Dads, we talked about why Phil Dunphy and comedy help us see masculinity in a different light
• That time we talked about sex education and reproductive justice and how little men and boys know about it
• Men Got Issues - our episode from Season 1 where we talked about why men fight 
• Report on Homicide of trans women
• Samantha references our conversation with Trevor Mayoh where he mentions providing on off-ramp out of MASKulinity for men

• What is a large language model? We’re sure you’ve heard about this term, also known as an LLM, that’s becoming more and more relevant to our everyday lives.
  • Remoy gives us the definition.
  • Maria follows up with how this technology learns about us and how we speak. Are there speech differences between genders? Maria’s research searches for answers to that question in…podcasts.
• A particular word tends to emerge in women’s speech patterns. 
  • But it’s not just that one word. Maria and her team’s research uncover different common words and patterns in the ways people speak to their own gender.
• So what does that mean for LLMs? Maria explains.
  • LLMs learn these gendered speech patterns and their programming informs their response. If the programming stems from patriarchy, the response will be patriarchal. The bias thrives.
  • Maria continues, breaking down how when LLMs recognize speech to be men’s, users get better results, especially in more profitable sectors.
  • The bias doesn’t stop at gender. Race and sexuality bias in LLMs also creates gaps and inequalities in technology usage.
• There is hope! Maria gives us a silver lining.

Referenced on this episode:

• That paper that Maria and her colleagues wrote that was the basis for this episode? You can go more into those technomasculine AI weeds here: Masculine Defaults via Gendered Discourse in Podcasts and Large Language Models
• And you can see, at scale, the work Maria has as is continuing to dig into on her Github page

COMPANION PIECES:

• Other folks are uncovering AI bias in topics other than speech at the Algorithmic Justice League
• More on how AI biases impact folks’ bottom line based on gender
• The UN has more to say about this about AI, gender bias and development
• Just like patriarchy negatively impacts men in real life, it can negatively impact men through AI

• Remoy loves a guessing game! He takes Samantha on a windy road figuring out how he got to meet this week’s guest, Azza Cohen.
• After a fun windy game, he taps in Azza Cohen, Kamala Harris’s videographer, to describe what it was like to document the first woman vice president.
  • She describes how Kamala’s leadership made more people feel seen than we realize, with a simple description of herself.
  • Azza describes how some news outlets used her nod toward a marginalized community to diminish her leadership, but it was just conservative ones…
  • Our illustrious guest points out how portrayals of women in the media are directly tied to the public’s perception of them as leaders. Kamala was a perfect example of this.
• And then a little context about white balance.
  • Azza shares how photography and camera technology principles have racist roots.
  • She reflects on her experience as adapting previous knowledge to different skin tones.
• Azza shares how Kamala’s leadership impacted her.
  • Azza reflects on the difficulty taking space and having confidence in the workplace, and how Kamala inspired her to do just that in an on-the-job moment.
  • She points out the inherent gender bias that we sometimes have when dealing with kids.
    • Samantha admits having to confront her biases in her own life.
    • Azza shares an anecdote showing how Kamala challenged gender biases in her leadership and the difference it made.
• What about the fact that Kamala was too centrist for some? Samantha plays devil’s advocate.
  • Azza gives an insightful response about our political system.
• Azza shares symbolic moments during the transition of power in 2024.
  • How did the former VP handle it?
  • What were those last moments like?
  • Samantha and Remoy reflect on how important it was for Kamala Harris to be in the position she was in.
• Azza ends with a powerful word on the images we consume, particularly as it concerns the current administration.
  • She wants to remember how women’s leadership is captured in this country and what the impact on our society may be because of it.

COMPANION PIECES:

• Our episode How American Politics REALLY Sees Men & MASKulinity does include Americans’ thoughts about women’s leadership traits
• No, having a woman president would not turn our country into a matriarchy (I think we wish it did kind of?!), but some examples of what women’s leadership could be like would still be helpful. We had talked about matriarchy,
• It didn’t work out, but some men were still about that Kamala as President life

Referenced on this episode:

• That original Slate piece Azza wrote that caught Remoy’s interest? You can read it here
• You can follow Azza on Substack @azzacohen
• The image in our episode art is an Official White House photograph by Lawrence Jackson

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Episode Notes

The holiday season is upon us shortly in the US. Some men will be surrounded by close ones, and some will finally get the R&R they’ve been craving, but many may feel alone.

• Americans have less and less friends. On this episode, Samantha and Remoy talk through some Survey Center on America Life findings on the state of American friendships. There are many men who have absolutely no friends, and that number is steadily increasing. The hosts get some help to understand how this impacts them during the holiday season.
• Our resident counselor for men, Justin Lioi, is back to talk about having mental ease during the holidays. He stresses that being alone at this time can be a fulfilling choice but it’s OK to reach out for attention and support if it’s loneliness rather than intentional alone time.
• Justin helps the hosts understand why reaching out can be difficult for men, how slipping back into old relationship dynamics can make it worse, and how to detect mental distress in the body.

COMPANION PIECES:

• Ignoring it won’t make it go away! How doing the work leads to men’s freedom 
• Special Episode! Getting Free, with Darnell Moore
• Ya can’t pour from an empty cup! How Men Can Take Better Care of Themselves

Referenced in this episode

• Terrence Real, therapist author of I Don’t Want to Talk About It: Overcoming the Secret Legacy of Male Depression
• Pia Mellody, author of Facing Codependence: What It Is, Where It Comes from, How It Sabotages Our Lives
• Bowling Alone by Robert D. Putnam shows how we people in modern societies have become more and more disconnected from each other

Referenced on the socials

• STATE OF AMERICAN MEN 2023 FROM CRISIS AND CONFUSION TO HOPE

OUR GUEST THIS WEEK:

Justin Lioi

Justin Lioi lives in Brooklyn, NY where he has a private practice that specializes in men's counseling. He has worked with families since 2008 and after several years of listening to fathers speak mostly about their children decided to put their needs front and center. He is a former New York actor and Music Together teacher and is an elected member of the National Association of Social Workers. He blogs regularly on men's issues as well as relationships and parenting at 

www.ParkSlopeTherapist.com

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• Remoy starts us off with a visual…of none other than himself swagged out in a dress as a baby.
  • You may be thinking to yourself, is that a Texan thing? Is it his worldly background? Nope! Boys used to wear dresses…
  • He taps in Professor Jo Paoletti who gives us the scoop.
• So all babies used to wear dresses, but what does that mean? Was it always the skirts and lace we see on babies these days? Not exactly….
  • Clothing used to be purely practical and not necessarily a way to announce a kid’s gender through their fashion…
  • In fact, using clothing to distinguish kids’ gender was against the grain for a while…
• We recently talked about the 1800s as a pivotal era in men’s clothing, but for baby boys and girls, the move was to keep things as gender neutral as possible.
  • There were concerns about boys’ behavior that made dresses the better choice. Listen to find out what behavior society was told to suppress…
  • The clothing choice was not just about suppressing certain behaviors; it was about function. In what sense? Professor Paoletti breaks it down.
  • Color came up in our Fashion Is Resistance episode, but about the babies? Did it start off as blue and pink? Great question - listen to find out….
• Then the ‘80s happened and a new concern emerged (surprise it’s the ‘80s again)…
  • This time, it’s not Reagan… But what was it that made it suddenly so important to distinguish male and female babies from each other at a glance? Take a guess… It’s not so different from the conundrum we’re facing today…
    • Jo Paoletti charts the evolution from functional to purposely gendered clothing.
    • There was a shift in the family structure that caused a butterfly effect for boys and they were failing to meet expectations… It sounds familiar, doesn’t it?
    • Boys could have been the ones to keep the dresses, but they didn’t; why? Jo paints the picture for us.
• It wasn’t just young boys’ behavior that was a concern, but young men’s in general.
  • Psychologists got involved in this clothing shift at the turn of the century.
  • The Industrial Revolution strikes again and shifts the currents of fashion for all ages…
  • The distinction between boys and girls in fashion would supposedly help curb “deviant” behavior in men.
  • A familiar refrain starts taking over the conversation on men’s behavior - spending too much time with their mothers… Enter the Boy Scouts, enter sports, anything to keep the MASKulinity in boys.
  • Industries follow the conversation and new choices pop up in stores. Consumerism helps ensure the shift.
• But when we say boys, it wasn’t all boys… There was a particular ideal that boys and eventually men, would be expected to model.
  • It’s what all roads lead to so far this season…
• Perhaps the most important point Jo makes in this episode is that we all perform gender in some way… Drag of a sort, if you will.
  • Might come as a surprise, but let us humor you!

Was this episode shocking, surprising, old news? Let us know in the comments!

Referenced on this episode:

• Huffpost featured our guest talking about exactly this
• Gender and Sex Roles in the 1970s 
• Our recent episode, Fashion Is Resistance

COMPANION PIECES:

• Our illustrious guest, Jo Paoletti write extensively about this; read more:
  • On Substack
  • Gender Mystique
• When we talked about Black dandyism and suits with stylist and writer Joe Wilkes
• Long time ago, we talked about the Boy Scouts…
• We also talked about drag and masculinity…
• Pinky and the Blue Boy - get a history of how and why color became gendered in this Modern Manhood episode 

• What has our society retained as a nation founded by Chiristian men? So much of American culture is based on Christianity, and even folks who aren’t Christian in practice deem themselves culturally Christian. The hosts start by setting the stage for the wide-reaching impact of this conversation.
• In fairness, it’s not just American life. Samantha and Remoy have a moment about who the oldest Christians are, and they remember one of the first ways Christianity was leveraged to perpetuate a distinct group’s interest…
• They start dissecting their own Christian experiences… What exactly did these two former Christians learn about gender and masculinity in church? Samantha and Remoy share the views their respective churches had and how it shaped their idea of gender in that context.
  • Remoy puts on his preacher boy hat to recall some of the key principles he remembers about Christianity. And more importantly, what did he teach about manhood and masculinity when he was behind the pulpit?
  • Samantha shares why this episode is important to her as a former Christian and the suspicions her upbringing brought up for her. James addresses her concerns about some biblical intentions.
  • It turns out there are a lot of key differences between Samantha and Remoy’s past Christian learnings and experiences and James’s biblical conclusion of what it means to be a Christian man…
  • Men are expected to be the final decision maker on everything, and people will often turn to the Bible to prove that point. But what if that’s not what God intended? James gives us a theologian’s perspective on what God likely intended.
• Where exactly in the Bible does it say that men should be in charge? When it comes to marital relationships, a very specific verse tends to come up to justify male leadership, but there seems to be some context missing. Samantha gives us the verse, and James fills in the blanks.
• The idea of headship comes up consistently when folks cite the Bible as the basis for men’s blanket leadership.
  • It’s not just the biological essentialist claim that men are better leaders in the home because they’re men; it’s supposedly also because God said so. But does the Bible actually back that up? James lets us know.
  • James breaks down how men’s leadership should mirror that of Jesus Christ over the church.
  • And what does that look like in relationships? It’s vastly different from the “do as I say” leadership that some men feel they are owed and entitled to, including Christian ones.
  • James helps us understand what that means for husbands and we hear echoes of shedding the mask that is MASKulinity for the sake of a deeper faith.
• Like in our Anti-Anti-Porn Episode, we’re seeing how Christianity gets co-opted to further a human-made patriarchal agenda rather than the spiritual life Christians are called on to develop according to James.
• Christian men don’t have to be married to have integrity with their faith.
  • James gives us insight into what different Christian masculinities can look like, through the story of one of Jesus’s most prolific and significant apostles. We discover that how it looks is far less important that where it comes from…
  • Remoy gives some seldom-talked-about background on how Christianity emerged back in the day like only a former preacher boy would…
• Samantha ends by bringing up a topic that’s been in the news so much, it’s taken over the image of mainstream Christianity…perhaps (actually definitely) for the worse: Christian nationalism.
  • James provides some important, should-not-be-forgotten-lest-we-want-to-repeat-history context about the merger between church and state and the implications on society…
  • He cites the Barmen Declaration as an example of Christians fighting extremism during Nazi times.
  • There are parallels between nazism and Christian nationalism in the US which James does not equate, but we kinda do!
  • Samantha examines a few tenets from a popular Christian nationalist group.
    • How close do these tenets mirror God’s biblical message? The hosts discuss…

Referenced on this episode:

• Inclusivity & Gender in Christianity - Two religious leaders lend their thoughts to the  gender debate in Christianity today
• Myths of Male Headship
• Dr. James Spencer’s podcast, Thinking Christian (Samantha mistakenly mentioned Christian First, which is the name of the framework he teaches courses in)
• The Proud Boys’ 12 tenets

COMPANION PIECES:

• What Does Christian Masculinity Really Look Like?, by our guest Dr. James Spencer
• Discipled Men: Rethinking Masculinity Through the Lens of Christ from Thinking Christian, our guest’s podcast
• Notes on Christian MASKulinity - our new Substack piece
• The Anti-Anti-Porn Episode about Christian men and porn
• Re-Thinking Masculinity: A Blog nn Christian Nationalism

• It’s hard to believe that Remoy starts this conversation at Christianity, but he does. He sets the tone for the conversation by getting the tea on the hosts’ humble Christian beginnings.
• Remoy shares how porn and Christianity intersect and the warnings men receive in church.
• Dr. Kelsy Burke explains how the notion of “porn addiction” and men’s Christianity intersect…and somehow work well together.
• Why would using the term “porn addiction” be co-opted by Christian men? Kelsy lets us know about that too…
• Lots of things popped off in the 80s! That includes Christian sex scandals. Listen to Kelsy break down how conservatives of that era bring MASKulinity and the “porn addiction” rhetoric together to control the narrative.
• What about women? Can they be “addicted” to porn?
• Soooo, is porn bad or naw??
• Samantha shares the oxymoron that pops up between cishet men and women.
• Kelsy goes on to describe how conservatism and conversations around sex in Christian circles lead to upholding the system we all know and (don’t) love.
• We know at least some of you have heard of No Fap November. Christian men are using this strategy as a show of masculine strength. Guess where this theory/strategy came from…
• This anti-porn rhetoric and scapegoating is everywhere, including government…

Referenced on this episode:

• Interested in learning more about all that Dr. Burke’s uncovered? Read more in their book: The Pornography Wars: The Past, Present, and Future of America’s Obscene Obsession
• You can also catch some of the highlights from Dr. Burke’s book over in their 2020 article over at Slate: Sinning Like a Man

COMPANION PIECES:

We talked about substance use disorders (addiction at the time) and MASKulinity a long time ago:

• Figure It Out: The Connection between Masculinity and Addiction
• Addiction: Men Are Twice as Likely, with Justin Lioi and other New Yorkers
• Exploring Commonalities in Addiction, a Mini Field Study

• What is Black dandyism? Joe Wilkes gives us a definition and takes us through its origins.
  • You may be surprised to find out where it started… But eventually people made it their own.
  • Having a sense of style for Black men in the 19th and early 20th century was new and hard for some to accept.
  • Extravagance or lack thereof causes people to classify men’s masculinity, especially, BIPOC men’s masculinity—why is that…? Joe’s answer evokes the racial hierarchy of masculinity.
• The universal suit men wear today wasn’t always the masculine standard... Samantha takes Remoy through where the “dandy” term comes from and the impact it had on menswear.
  • In Europe, aristocratic styles thrived on excess and extravagance, but something we take for granted today was previously reserved for the aristocratic and royal classes.
  • A middle-class man who had an in with the who’s who of Regency London altered the course of menswear for centuries to come. 
• Dandyism becomes a dress code that equalizes classes.
  • Men’s style evolved with the advent of a new age.
  • Understated and tailored styles became the standard for fashion, at least for quite some time. 
  • Men of different races embraced dandyism differently. Why is that?
• How is fashion resistance exactly? Joe helps us understand why fashion was so important to Black men’s identity and dignity.
  • At a certain point, the desire for authenticity and liberation starts to trump survival, a reflection of the times in the ‘60s and ‘70s.
  • But then, to avoid being deemed feminine or being subject to homophobia, men toned their look down. Joe explains how a specific event brought that on.
  • Joe shares a little of his own history, having to alter his look based on the community he was around.
• But perhaps there is a group of men who are allowed to wear whatever they want with way less criticism…
  • Take a guess which group that is…
  • If cishet men have unspoken requirements to meet what masculinity is supposed to look and dress like, does that mean queer men get more leeway? Joe shares some insights…
• Fashion is resistance but it’s not just that. Joe ends on a positive note we all need to keep in mind..
• Some questions we’re still wondering about:
  • How has your own fashion sense evolved? Do you dress to be authentic or to blend in as best as possible? 
  • Can the way men dress dictate how masculine they are? Does the way certain men present themselves put manhood and/or masculinity at risk for some people?
  • What do we say to the Brummel-thinking folks who think masculinity requires men to dress with “understated elegance”?
  • Let us know in the comments below!

Referenced on this episode:

• Exploring Dandyism and Black Expression: A Roundtable Discussion; led by our guest Joe Wilkes
• MET’s exhibition Superfine: Tailoring Black Style
• Monica L. Miller’s book Slave to Fashion, the inspiration for the MET theme
• Beau Brummell's Revolution: The Rise of the Modern Men's Suit in the 19th Century
• The Zoot Suit Riots and Wartime Los Angeles

COMPANION PIECES:

• History of the Black dandy; more history of Black Dandyism
• Dandyism around the world
• The Evolution of Black Masculinity Through Fashion  (TW, expletive used)

What does resistance look like as performance art—more specifically, theater?

Your favorite literati doy, Remoy George Philip thee First's, latest production, Performing the Revolution, explores this question in a four-part series.We're dropping the first episode in our feed to set the tone for the season. This series is a powerful reminder that community and perseverance are requirements for social change, and that joy and play can be part of resistance. Samantha first interviews journalist and documentarian Ida Hardin, coproducer on the podcast, to get some between-the-lines questions answered. Themes of resilience, grief, and liberation echo through this first episode set in New Delhi.

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Performing the Revolution, "in India"

Meet Jana Natya Manch, a.k.a. JANAM, one of India's storied street theatre companies. We follow their journey from one of their most crucial, catalyzing and tragic moments in the 1980's, all the way through to the work they make today. 

Then where can you listen to Performing the Revolution:

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4klSwQSuzly63HdKfGt1ce

Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/performing-the-revolution/id1765455380

Everywhere: https://pod.link/1765455380

Referenced on this episode:

• Some background on Jana Natya Manch (JANAM Theatre)
• Safdar Hashmi’s leadership at JANAM 
• Performing the Revolution in Conversation

COMPANION PIECES:

• Performing the Revolution team member Beto O’Byrne stopped by to talk wrestling as escapist for men in The Wrestling Episode 
• Robert and Mabel Williams understood that sometimes resistance is violent. Kellie Carter Jackson told us their story in The Resistance Episode
• Organizations resisting MASKulinity
• A short message from Moloyashree Hashmi

• The crew takes a moment to acknowledge the SAG nominees. We love when deserving people get their flowers.
• With The Bear being nominated, the crew decides to talk MASKulinity in the show, but first, they talk about a previous winner that reminds us all a bit too much of real life: Succession.
  • Samantha takes us through some interesting facts about the family that Succession is based on.
  • Suzanne lets us know what attracts her about the show. Are you a bit voyeuristic like her and Samantha are when it comes to this show? What is it about miserable rich people that draws our attention?
  • With a quick synopsis of Succession, Samantha breaks down the similarities between the Fox News Murdochs and their fictional counterparts..
    • A power struggle between a father and his children for the head seat of the company, something that provides a particular comment on fatherhood, power, and MASKulinity in our current social and political moment.
  • Why are we talking about this show? Suzanne and Samantha apprise Remoy of why it’s helpful for us to dissect this type of patriarchal leadership.
    • Suzanne makes an important note on mourning traditional media, which feels like it might be dying out, but is it?
    • So much political, economic, and social power is concentrated in families with Murdochs, Trumps, and Maxwells, it’s worth examining the BTS of these powerful families through this show.
  • Exactly how powerful are these nepotistic families? The crew runs down the list of the Murdochs’ empire and their impactful media (and legal) history and MASKulinity.
  • SPOILER ALERT: Samantha presents some scenes from Succession for Remoy to react to. Suzanne weighs in.
    • The fatherhood that Logan Roy displays can be mapped onto Trump’s leadership of both his family and the US as a country: we sustain his legacy.
    • Wielding real power and setting the tone for men’s MASKulinity both in their families and in our larger society are staples of the all-powerful patriarchs.
    • Suzanne highlights the ruthlessness of the powerful masculinity in the fatherhood displayed and how damaging it is to people around the folks who perform that masculinity. It is reflected in all these clips.
    • Remoy makes a poignant point about America’s need for a father figure running the country.
• The crew continues on to discuss crowd favorite, The Bear. Remoy points out that if Shrinking is the best way to deal with MASKulinity’s woes, and Succession is the most toxic, The Bear falls somewhere in the middle.
  • Remoy provides a great synopsis of the show, highlighting how differently it deals with masculinity compared to Succession.
    • We examine the relationships stemming from Carmy’s newfound leadership.
    • Carmy and Syd’s relationship represents a great mixed-gender leadership collaboration for this show.
    • Richie’s evolution as a person as well as the rest of the cast’s reflected the power of a connected leadership.
  • The Bear deals with mental health in an immensely different way from Succession. Carmy relies on those around him to get better while Kendall schemes while wielding power as his father does.
  • The Bear chronicles changing dynamics in a workplace as does Succession. The three draw out the differences and few similarities between masculinities in the two shows.
  • Suzanne highlights how class creates a different landscape than the opulent Succession
• In our deep dive, Suzanne shares some great nuggets in her research on gender in powerful structures.
  • We dive into questions about how family structures impacted our recent election of an all-powerful patriarch.
  • We get into how women hold up these power structures. Suzanne’s research has looked at how women’s own power is garnered through all-powerful couples.
  • Suzanne makes points on whiteness and how racial hierarchies impact this all-powerful dynamic.

OK, now we’re really outta here! See you soonish! 👋🏾👋🏿

Referenced on this episode:

• The Murdochs’ own family power struggle
• HBO’s Succession and our reckoning with male monsters - referenced article by BBC’s Hugh Montgomery
• When we talked about Shrinking, the nominated show that got mental health right
• When we talked about some very different TV Dads
• How American Politics REALLY Sees Men & MASKulinity - our episode dissecting the PEW report
• How Americans See Men and Masculinity - Pew Research Center report that continues to be relevant
• Perhaps it’d be helpful to see how men maintain social connections; we talked about it 

COMPANION PIECES:

• On The Bear and MASKulinity

Luckily, The Pew Research Center has been hard at work exploring these very questions. Their latest report, Men, Women, and Social Connections, sheds light on the gendered trends shaping relationships in America today. Samantha had the chance to sit down with Kim Parker, one of the report's lead researchers, to dig into the findings. And in this episode, she brings all those insights back to Remoy. 

• Samantha starts by asking Remoy a big question: How optimistic is he about life these days? Turns out, his answer puts him in the minority. Pew found that 58% of Americans lean optimistic, while 42% do not.
• Kim Parker shares the backstory behind this paper and how it fits into Pew’s larger research initiative on gender and masculinity. It’s all part of a broader effort to understand how Americans are thinking and feeling about these issues in real time.
• The big question: Are men lonelier than women? Samantha reveals the surprising (albeit nuanced) findings to Remoy, and the two dive into why this narrative about men and loneliness has taken hold.
• Pew’s research uncovered fascinating details about men’s and women’s social networks. On the surface, they don’t look that different. But dig deeper, and you find differences in how men and women use and interact with the people around them.
  • Remoy gets candid about his own experiences, admitting that even with a great support system, reaching out for help as a man still feels like a major challenge.
• Samantha asks Kim about the connection between this report and Pew’s earlier findings in How Americans See Men and Masculinity. Why do Americans say they want men to be more caring and vulnerable, yet men still struggle to seek support?
• The loneliness conversation takes an unexpected turn when Samantha reveals which group of people Pew identified as being lonelier than most. Spoiler: It involves the internet—and the way technology has become an inseparable part of their everyday lives.
  • Samantha and Kim unpack how tech dependence can create unique barriers to connection, making it especially hard for this group to break out of loneliness.
• Finally, Samantha and Remoy reflect on the importance of self-care and taking a step back when needed. With everything happening in the world, it’s a reminder we all need.
  • Important Note: MASKulinity is taking a few months off to rest, recharge, and come back stronger than ever. We’re so grateful to all of you who’ve joined us on this journey. Stay tuned for more powerful, curious stories about how masculinity shapes our world—and how we can reshape it together. See you soon! 👋

Referenced on this episode:

• Here’s that surprising new report–Men, Women and Social Connections
• How American Politics REALLY Sees Men & MASKulinity - Our earlier episode analyzing Pew Research Center’s latest report on men and masculinity with report author and Senior Associate Director of Research at PEW Research Center, Juliana Horowitz and Next Gen Men’s Equity Leaders’ Trevor Mayoh
• How Americans See Men and Masculinity - Pew Research Center report
• A long time ago, we talked with Yuval Moses about what happens when men are victims of violent crime
• Beyond the Binary: Expanding Gender Identity Representation in Data Collection

COMPANION PIECES:

• Pew Research Center ‘s study on Americans’ news sources
• MANY young people are getting their news from TikTok
• Male loneliness is often a topic of conversation

• Samantha starts off with a nod to Golden Globe-nominated Nobody Wants This for its evolved masculinity moments. Adam Brody has been in his nurturing masculinity bag since the early 2000s and we’re here for it!
• She then winds our TVs back to the late ‘90s for a look at a breakthrough TV show at the time: Sex and The City.
  • Remoy questions focusing on men while talking about a show that centers women. At any other time, Samantha would agree, butcher contends that it is helpful to see how women can perpetuate patriarchy.
  • What are men like in a TV show that entirely focuses on the dating and sex lives of attractive women? Samantha reflects back on the different love interests in the show and how their viability as a partner was measured.
    • Carrie’s main love interests, Mr. Big and Aidan, embodied two different sides of the coin that is traditional masculinity. Neither challenge patriarchal norms, still, it’s worth asking: Why would an emotionally unavailable tycoon be a better suited partner than a nurturing provider? Short answer: patriarchal tropes. Long answer: Nice guys finish last in the patriarchy, and SATC is no different.
    • Remoy acknowledges his own past as a Mr. Big type, proving that emotional unavailability doesn't have to be lifelong!
  • Remoy didn’t regret missing the show, but he couldn’t help but wonder, Do these stereotypical dating situations on TV inform our real dating lives or is it the other way around?
  • Patriarchy didn’t just impact dating in SATC. Casual homophobia, racism, and transphobia were peppered throughout the show.
    • The two call out that SATC touted itself as a feminist show, but only explored well-to-do, slim white women’s dating and sex lives. Everyone else does feel othered including men, who are one-dimensional and just meant to be chosen.
    • Samantha admits why she continued to watch the show despite all these tropes. She reflects on her younger self’s patriarchal leanings.
  • There were good things about SATC. While missing clear opportunities to be inclusive and well-rounded in their depictions of dating life in New York City,
  • Where the characters in the MASK On, MASK Off game from our “TV Dads” episode grappled with masculinity, SATC sticks to traditional expectations of masculinity by condensing male characters into three types. [13:00] Do you agree? Let us know!
• Samantha ends her story with a quick note on the SATC reboot, And Just Like That.
  • People have been vocal about how the show is forcibly inclusive.
    • Samantha shares some examples and opines on how evolved the reboot is compared to the old show.
    • What your verdict? Has this franchise evolved? Holler at us! @ maskulinitypod
• Remoy takes the mic and picks up where he left off with his new favorite show, Shrinking.
  • In Shrinking, men, and characters in general, are imparted with nuance and humanity that was clearly missing from SATC’s supporting characters.
  • Remoy maintains his fave was snubbed at the Golden Globes and attempts to foster appreciation in Samantha for his new show.
  • He shares a few clips from the show and lets Samantha ask clarifying questions about the show.
    • Cue in intergenerational friendships, community problem-solving, open communication with teenage children, and healthy grey-area relationships between men and women.
  • Shrinking does what And Just Like That attempted to do but in a realistic and relatable manner.
    • Changing neighborhood dynamics leads folks to call out racist behavior, rather than yearning for the past.
      • Remoy breaks down how characters deal with grief and changing dynamics in their lives.
      • Samantha immediately takes to Derek and Remoy gives her the lowdown.
    • In this ensemble cast, there are various folks support each other.
      • The relationship between father and daughter is quite moving.
    • Remoy gives praise to the writing of the show gracefully weaving themes

Referenced on this episode:

• Our episode on TV Dads
• The paper that informed Samantha’s gamifying of TV dads? That’s–Laughing at Men: Masculinities in Contemporary Sitcoms
• Our other TV episode: The Fresh Prince and 📺 Episode

COMPANION PIECES:

• Shrinking isn’t the only show demonstrating healthy masculinity
• Toxic Masculinity and Big vs. Aidan: How ‘Sex and the City’s’ love triangle has aged

• Samantha kicks things off with a clip of Al Bundy and his daughter Kelly. Does Remoy remember anything about this dysfunctional yet iconic duo? And what does our laughter about their relationship on Married With Children tell us about fatherhood three decades ago?
  • Bonus Episode:  Remoy has to know. Was Samantha’s own relationship with her father’s anything like Al and Kelly’s?
• You can’t not talk 90’s TV Dads and not think TGIF: Samantha highlights a heartfelt moment between Carl and Eddie Winslow, one of the few Black father-son relationships on 90s TV.
  • They break down how Family Matters portrayed manhood and why this mattered for representation at the time.
• Samantha skips forward a decade or two to show Remoy the ultimate suburban survivalist: Modern Family’s Phil Dunphy has a near-death epiphany on a camping trip. Remoy reflects on how Phil represents a new era of goofy yet emotionally vulnerable TV dads.
• You can’t not talk TV and not talk animation. But it isn’t Bart and Homer for Samantha. It’s Bob Belcher from Bob’s Burgers who in a tender and hilariously awkward clip bonds with his daughter Tina during a “hairy” situation.
  • Samantha wants to know. Are there any African daughters out there who their father shared in the pain  of getting their legs waxed in solidarity? If so, email us at maskulinitypodcast@gmail.com
• Another Black father and duo + Schmitt. No it’s not New Girl. It’s The Neighborhood on CBS.
  • TV laugh tracks aside, Samantha and Remoy take a moment to appreciate a really tender and evolved, but not perfect, moment in modern TV.
• Samantha shows Remoy a lesser seen moment on TV: An immigrant father-son moment from the crowd favorite Fresh off the Boat.
  • A sweet moment portrayed on the screen for an Asian dad. But would huckster chef Eddie Huang, whose life story the show was modeled off of, approve? Would Remoy?
  • What do you think after hearing the clip? Hit us at our inboxes and let us know maskulinitypodcast@gmail.com.
• Remoy is sold and wants to play. He shares with Samantha a moment from a new comedy he’s been loving. Any guesses to what that series is?
  • Let’s just say Harrison Ford playing a therapist and being vulnerable on screen with Jason Segel and many more is a win for both Samantha and Remoy as they appreciate where TV has come over 30 years.

Referenced on this episode:

• The paper that informed Samantha’s gamifying of TV dads? That’s–Laughing at Men: Masculinities in Contemporary Sitcoms
• Our guide to navigate being Home ALONE for the Holidays
• Our new classic episode: The Fresh Prince and 📺 Episode
• The original Samantha gaming gem 💎: UnMASKing Masculinity: Music Trivia Edition 🎶
• Even though Fresh of the Boat isn’t directly referenced in this previous episode, our conversation with Dr. William Liu covers a lot of relevant subject matter. Listen to The Racial Hierarchy of MASKulinity, with Dr. Liu - Part 1 ENCORE
• Were you ever rocked by the entrance of Stefan Urquelle on Family Matters. Remoy was. And he chronicled it in a classic episode for the Spotify original podcast–Not past It
• Yes, Remoy once wrote TV criticism on Tumblr–basically his televised version of letterboxd had an apt title: Because TV Raised Us

COMPANION PIECES:

• The guide to Samantha’s game? Yep it boils down once again to that now seminal report from Pew Research center: How Americans See Men and Masculinity

Remoy and Samantha start out with a shout-out to self-care. It’s been a month since the election and some tough conversations with loved ones may have happened/may be coming up—it’s important to take a moment for ourselves.

• Therapy is still the greatest thing ever. Remoy shouts out his own therapist and Samantha is excited to return this week.
• Male loneliness continues to be high—Samantha calls back the mental health conversation they had with resident counselor Justin Lioi this time last year.

Next Gen Men’s new community manager, Charlotte Kinloch, starts out with land acknowledgments. We remember that we are on stolen land both in the US and in Canada, as we start the conversation. 

Charlotte leads us into unpacking the election…

• Was this election gendered? It certainly didn’t have to be but it was. A white male convicted felon being allowed to run and being measured against the most qualified presidential candidate in recent times certainly feels gendered. Well, it feels supremacist.
  • Samantha and Remoy point out that many other factors were certainly implicated in Americans’ decision to vote Trump, but gender cannot be ignored.
• What was  surprising about the PEW findings from the pre-election episode?
  • Right before the election, Juliana Horowitz from PEW Research Center came on the pod and shared Americans’ feelings on men and masculinity. Men’s progress and character traits in men were among the most surprising, particularly given the narratives promoted by the manosphere.
  • As Horowitz shared during that episode, which Samantha brought up again now, not blaming women for men’s lack of progress doesn’t mean that women’s progress is appreciated. This points to a patriarchal perspective prevailing among Americans.
  • Samantha sidebars about why men have made less progress than women in the past few decades. PEW Research Center had a study on that as well…
• Remoy places us within a larger international context. Trump wasn’t the only one elected as a result of populist efforts.
  • Faith in education has dropped drastically, and education is viewed as the establishment.
  • How was Trump able to paint himself as a man of the people even though he is a billionaire who rubs elbows with other billionaires? Remoy gives his take.
• If, as we discovered during our conversation with PEW Center’s Senior Associate Director of Research, Juliana Horowitz, Americans value women’s leadership and “feminine” traits being valuable to leadership, how did Donald Trump emerge as elected leader for this country yet again?
  • Remoy reflects back on his conservative background before he became liberal and how much masculinity is entrenched in American culture history.
  • Samantha points out that messaging around patriarchal leadership is heavily funded by nontraditional sources and funneled to nontraditional information and news sources. A win for the anti-establishment strategy.
  • The manosphere and its spaces also provide something that men have trouble getting elsewhere.
  • Remoy highlights the need for regulation on social media with a clear solution.
• How have evolving gender roles impacted the American public?
  • PEW’s research found that Americans don’t blame men’s lack of progress on women’s continued progress, but men are still behind.
  • Remoy brings up the biggest point of all, which is the economy. Many folks who vote conservative cite the economy as their main reason for doing so. This election was no different. 
    • This has impacted men in a real way, challenging the notion that they are providers. And some of their women spouses voted to ensure that their male partners could get better financially.
    • Samantha highlights the ways in which the economy has already been impacted by Trump’s win, but only a few have seen the wins.
• Talk to us! Did we cover all the points about the election? What would you have added? Our lines are open for any and all communications about masculinity, maskulinitypodcast@gmail.com; @maskulinitypod on Twitter and Instagram.

Thanks for listening

COMPANION PIECES:

• Making Sense of the Election - Our post election episode examining money in politics and how Americans get their news and information
• How American Politics REALLY Sees Men & MASKulinity - Our episode analyzing PEW Research Center’s latest report on men and masculinity with report author and Senior Associate Director of Research at PEW Research Center, Juliana Horowitz and Next Gen Men’s Equity Leaders’ Trevor Mayoh
• Don’t underestimate the Rogansphere. His mammoth ecosystem is Fox News for young people
• Pew Research Center ‘s study on Americans’ news sources
• MANY young people are getting their news from TikTok

Referenced on this episode:

• How Americans See Men and Masculinity - PEW Research Center report
• Men Think It's Harder for Them at Work Than 20 Years Ago
• Fewer young men are in college, especially at 4-year schools

• We switch it up this week! Remoy has some stories to fill Samantha in on. They talk language traditions, how colonial/settler/imperialist institutions use language to marginalize indigenous communities, and how that translates to altering narratives about a painful past.
  • Remoy talks us through about how the co-woman led Indian of All Tribes organization took over Alcatraz for a year-and-a-half and gets real about the astronomical impact of the genocide of indigenous peoples.
  • He shares more female native activist voices like Shinanova who use social media voices to pass on their message of resistance.
• Keestin shares key history about Frog Lake First Nations and its legacy in Alberta, Canada—specifically the Frog Lake Massacre. If you listen hard enough, you can hear how history is finding a way to repeat itself now.
• He lets us in on how his and other indigenous communities have had to fight postcolonial legacy to reclaim their history and identity, including redefining the notion of “warrior” and what it means to provide.
• Keestin inspires us to break through our illusions of language and masculinity. He shares the evolution of his own experience with masculinity, how a community of men was pivotal, and how that impacts the work he does today.

COMPANION PIECES:

• The history behind The National Day of Mourning and how indigenous Americans continue to fight the lie of Thanksgiving. 
• Keestin’s TED talk on perceptions of indigenous manhood
• The indigenous occupation of Alcatraz

Referenced on this episode:

• 54th Annual National Day of Mourning Demonstration in Plymouth
• Dr. LaNada War Jack
• Richard Oakes
• Indian of All Tribes (IAT)
• ShinaNova

• The obvious has to be put out there: Kamala Harris’s loss has strong racist and sexist undertones.
• Given most Trump voters cited the economy as the reason why, Samantha talks through Joe Biden’s approach as well.
• Many factors contributed to the state of the economy, including—ahem—COVID, the effects of which we’re still feeling now.
  • What’s going on with inflation? Samantha gives us high-level notes on COVID-19 led to the worst inflation we’ve seen.
• Trump voters may not have known all this, because news sources have changed substantially in recent years.
  • Remoy takes us through the new news landscape.
  • YouTube and Facebook are heavy on Americans’ news rotation, many more Americans than you might think get their news from these sources.
  • Not to mention the manosphere speaking directly to men as guests like Donald Trump give them clout while connecting to their fanbase.
• How can so many Americans fall for these things? Education has been meddled with in so many states.
  • Samantha gives a crash course on the billionaire Koch brothers and their education goals.
  • She delves into the allies that have helped them get there and how they use government and money to undermine public education.
  • Did you know they are longtime associates of Betsy DeVos and her family? Samantha gets into their collaboration instituting the voucher system in states around the country.
  • The Koch have a particular vision for the world they want to see and meddling with American education is their pathway.
  • Trump has now started naming his cabinet, and back in 2016, many of his potential cabinet picks were from the Kochs’ network of donors.
• Remoy reminds us how men’s education has plateaued in the US, and how this helps disinform them.
  • The notion of school choice has been a conservative strategy to destabilize public education, reallocating funds to give parents accounts.
  • They end on a note of hope.
• Join Samantha and Remoy at the Next Gen Men Pathways event. They’ll be answering questions about MASKulinity and the election for Next Gen Men’s new initiative and reflecting on what’s to come. Sign up for FREE, and join them on November 21!

Thanks for listening!

Referenced on this episode:

• Pew Research Center ‘s study on Americans’ news sources
• MANY young people are getting their news from TikTok
• How Democrats are falling short on connecting with men
• Our podbro’s thoughts on Democrats connecting with men
• How the manosphere won the election
   

COMPANION PIECES:

• How American Politics REALLY Sees Men & MASKulinity
• Radicalization and TSwift
• Make America Great Again, How the dominant was left behind with Dr. Michael Kimmel
• Inside the new strain of conservatives, not MAGA or Qanon
• Gaslit Nation’s Reading Guide to stay informed

Here’s where Samantha reveals the real story behind Americans’ views on masculinity. Remoy was surprised, to say the least…

• First Juliana opens up to how the “How Americans See Men and Masculinity” report came out of a more general curiosity, but as the election shifted into a more gendered race, the importance of the research became increasingly clear.
• Using the report as a jump off, Samantha runs a few questions by Remoy:
  • First: Samantha asked Remoy what he thought when he heard of the association between the American public and the terms: caring, open about their emotions, soft-spoken, or affectionate?
  • Second: She asked him how Americans felt about men pursuing non “traditional” norms: staying home to raise the kids, women paying for the date, men taking a woman’s last name in marriage?
  • Third: How do Americans feel about actions that depict Toxic Masculinity?
  • Fourth: Do Americans feel like there’s a backlash against men who are manly or masculine?
  • The answers? They’re not so cut and dry as you may think with a lot more parity across the aisle. Why?
    • Juliana suggests that generally speaking there’s much more nuance to Americans’ beliefs and thinking. Especially in contrast to the loud political noise we constantly see and hear.
    • Trevor makes a point that it’s the sport of American politics, the tribalism of how it’s waged, that unfortunately may disregard a lot of that nuance.
      • Trevor shares what he’s experienced with men in his work as a diversity, inclusion and violence prevention consultant. How he encounters a lot of men who are hurting in a variety of ways: work anxieties, stress, expectations to meet the highest standards of what it means to be husband or father. And in the midst of all that, how the larger culture hasn’t given men the tools to ask for help to process all these intense expectations.
      • Then he goes on to unpack how that can be exacerbated in highly masculine spaces– how men could actually possess a lot of that nuance Juliana shared in her report –but there’s a pack mentality in those intense social environments that doesn't allow men to easily share their discouragements.
• Remoy wonders if all of this is what can create a culture of “Aggrieved Entitlement.”
  • Does Remoy know what that really is? Nope. Luckily Samantha helps guide the way, defining what that experience is along with how mens’ perceptions of women’s ascent plays a role in building that entitled foundation.
  • Juliana brings some light to it all by giving a better view of what Americans perceive of the progress women have made in the last 20 years and how that may be affecting the aforementioned entitlement.
  • Trevor reveals how that entitlement, yes, has become a tool for American players like Trump, but is also a larger global culture. How it’s more of a larger populist appeal that exploits men's insecurities amidst deeply entrenched gender norms.
• Trevor leaves Samantha and Remoy with one last take away about how maybe the greatest misunderstanding of all these political games, is that if anything, it may provide community, friendship, or just a person to share a laugh with. A rare commodity for men especially as they age.
  • Samantha and Remoy really take this information in to gather a better understanding of how vulnerable men may be and how if this is the most vulnerable area for predation, how sad the American political environment may be.
• Samantha then breaks off on her own to ask Juliana more questions about the importance of the “How Americans See Men and Masculinity” report. Along the way pursuing a deeper understanding with Trevor at how to better wade through all these layers of these findings amidst the visible political situation in America.
• Finally, Samantha and Remoy discuss how to hold all this nuance alongside knowing we’re in a fractured American political system; especially when facing the obligation to participate when the cracks are so apparent. Together they land on multiple ideas that empower each other to have faith and still fight back as part of their own civic duty.
  
   

Referenced on this episode:

• Want to dive into the actual report from the Pew Research Center? Read “How Americans See Men and Masculinity” in all its surprising, well dissected glory.
• Who’s Trevor Mayoh? Learn more about his role as an Equity Leader with Next Gen Men.
• Okay but really… What is “Aggrieved Entitlement”? The Conversation shows a recent example of what that looks like in Canada.
• Who’s Samantha’s favorite Boston Celtic, Jaylen Brown? And why? Read more about how he came to open up about his mental health challenges as a male pro-athlete, especially overcoming an upbringing surrounded by what he calls “over-masculinity”.
• Justin Baldoni makes it his mission to model a public, vulnerable, honest conversation of what patriarchy really does to men.

Companion pieces:

• It's Time to Loosen the Grip on Reproductive Freedom with Heidi Sieck
• Make America Great Again, How the dominant was left behind with Dr. Michael Kimmel

• Have you ever done anything out of character to be picked or chosen? This question is at the crux of this episode, and Remoy shares his own personal experience, which mostly includes success without shame.
  • Along the way, Samantha breaks down what a simp is, which according to Urban Dictionary, is the male version of being a Pick Me. 
  • The crew walks through how each term started out as a way to call folks out for bending their self-respect for desired love interests who don’t care for them but evolved into insults toward people doing anything nice or pleasing to the object of their affection.
  • Samantha traces back the origins of “woman who’s not like other women” to the “cool girl,” a compliment given to women who never required too much from their man and just went with the flow, drank beer, watched sports, while being hot and keeping a size 2.
    • Remoy gives all the reasons why his partner is a cool girl, and they’re just because she’s a cool person who does cool stuff. But the “cool girl” is a trope of a woman suppressing parts of herself so that she can appeal to a man by not taking up too much space. 
    • Remoy gives a great example from popular culture.
  • Samantha shared her own “cool girl” attempt as a 12-year-old girl trying to impress a boy.
    • Stephanie vulnerably shares seeking sneaker-swag validation from men, albeit platonically.
    • Is Samantha’s story an example of Pick Me behavior - What do you think?
  • At the crux of the Pick Me is her superiority to other women for her ability to be appealing to men, whereas the cool girl suppresses her needs and aligns her interests with her man for appeal. They overlap.
    • Samantha provides examples and Remoy picks up on the suggested requirement to be demure to be a real woman, and Stephanie picks up on the chastisement of women who aren’t putting domesticity at the top of their priority list.
• They get into Stephanie’s work exploring gender through art. 
  • Stephanie shares her experience photographing men for her Love You Bro series, celebrating friendships between Black men. The responses to her project had her questioning whether she was a Pick Me.
  • Remoy makes an important point about how patriarchy drives up these insecurities and conflicts among women.
• Samantha points out the rewards that women get when participating in Pick Me/Cool Girl culture.
  • Men enjoy being appealed to, and men’s interests being viewed as superior to women’s automatically legitimizes Cool Girls.
• It gets complicated. Folks calling out Pick Me behavior may just be performing a different type of sexism. Calling out women for their behavior and what they prefer is sometimes also folded into the Pick Me trope, when it’s really sexism.
  • Samantha calls out that the onus of dismantling patriarchy falls on men. Remoy and Stephanie cosign.
  • Remoy makes an important statement about how men can step in and stand for what’s right.
  • Stephanie shares small ways that men can intervene using their values rather than telling women what to do.

In our Five Questions segment, Stephanie shares what Pick Me culture can look like in her art and in real life.

• Stephanie illustrates the ways that Pick Me culture is rewarded in our culture.
  • Girls get the prize: the guy.
  • Women compete and win the prize, but it can backfire when they want to put their own needs first later in the relationship.
  • They get into the trad wife trend. Is this another example of Pick Me culture. Sort of. The trad wife trend has been blazing online but it’s a performance of gender. Women peddling the trad wife are businesswomen selling a lifestyle that they’re not actually living for profit.
• Stephanie lets us in on her project #NEWGLOBALMATRIARCHY. The performance and installation project explores friendships between women through the lens of goddesses. 
  • Why is there a supposed hierarchy between women in their friendships? There isn’t and this project explores that. It contradicts the trope of Pick Me culture pitting women against each other for an ultimate prize.
• Stephanie’s photography project Love You Bro explores male friendships. The closeness between men is seldom expressed, instead painting a picture of men as inherently violent.
  • She gets into the discomfort folks have seeing men being affectionate with one another.
  • Samantha wonders what the reception was from both the participants and the audience.
    • Stephanie shares the concerns men had doing the project, and the eventual glee and satisfaction of the participants.
• The hot seat is flipped this week! Remoy answers Stephanie’s question to the host. What was the turning point for Remoy that got him to question patriarchy?
  • Remoy shares his upbringing seeing women’s leadership. 
  • He witnessed abuse growing up, which led to insensitivity toward women on his part.
  • Remoy’s turning point shows that it’s possible for men to transform and be more thoughtful about patriarchy and its harms.

Referenced on this episode:

• Gone Girl: book monologue and movie monologue
• Examples of Pick Me culture
• Love You Bro
• #NEWGLOBALMATRIARCHY

COMPANION PIECES:

• The Marriage Episode 👰🏿‍♀️💒💍, with Dr. LaToya Council
• The Matriarchy Episode, with Izzy Chan
• Radicalization and TSwift, with Jeff Perera and Jonathon Reed

• We start off with a moment for the cover of Professor Carter Jackson’s latest book We Refuse. It features Soldier of Love, not Sade’s chart topper, but the beautiful and poignant painting by Brooklyn-based artist Taha Clayton.
• Disclaimer: While we’re happy that gun violence has overall decreased in the United States, it continues to be troubling. We’re conscious of how intense gun debates can get and want to stress that this conversation explores how communities took up arms in self-defense against lethal racism. We are not advocating for general gun violence.
• Remoy introduces Mabel and Robert Williams via their infamous black and white Bonnie and Clyde photo.
• The Kissing Case in Monroe, NC is a turning point for the Williamses.
• Mabel knew how the presence of guns was enough to deter potential violence. And she was right. Violence severely deescalated.
• Carter Jackson stresses the importance of Mabel and Robert’s partnership because Robert tends to get all the credit for these efforts.
• Racism is not the only thing folks were fighting. Violent sexism must also be challenged and that calls for women’s leadership.

In our Five Questions segment, Professor Kellie Carter Jackson distills women’s anger and how they can use it as a driving force. 

• Our guest shares how anger is a big driving force for a lot of her work.
• Carter Jackson breaks down how she arrived at the title of her forthcoming book, We Refuse.
• bell hooks has a famous quote about Black men and white women being one stage away from the ultimate social power: white men’s power.
• We close out with a great note on how to get to liberation. Dr. Carter Jackson stresses how binaries and individualism pigeon-hole us away from collective freedom. She envisions how to move past that.

Thanks for listening!

Referenced on this episode:

• Audre Lorde's speech about women's anger being useful
• bell hooks’s quote about Black men and white women each being one degree away from the highest rank of social power from her book Feminist Theory: From Margin to Center
• Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a pacifist in the street but a gun owner behind closed doors.
• Dr. Carter Jackson’s books, We Refuse and the award-winning Force and Freedom: Black Abolitionists and the Politics of Violence cover a wide history of Black resistance and women’s roles
• F*** Your Slave Laws - RGP1-produced Not Past It episode featuring Dr. Carter Jackson

COMPANION PIECES:

• The Marriage Episode 👰🏿‍♀️💒💍, with Dr. LaToya Council 

• Remoy shares his experience with tween social anxiety after changing schools
  •  Kyle had a very similar experience and reflects back on dealing with anxiety as a tween. 
  • Turns out this experience is common among teen boys. They wanted to but had a hard time making friends and spent their time trying to avoid being noticed and judged.
• Remoy puts on his science teacher cap and lets us in on where this anxiety comes from.
  • He walks us through the brain functions and glands that cause our physical and mental development.
    • Our bodies develop faster than our mind, and we have to play catch-up to manage it all… How does that impact boys trying to survive new social situations?
    • The prefrontal cortex is responsible for a lot of our mental processes, and yet, most of us know so little about it. 
  • Even if their body is physically mature, hormonal teenagers will not have a fully developed brain for another ten years. It all seems so unfair…
    • Hormones help us manage stress but are also responsible for puberty, a highly stressful time in our lives.
    • Kyle reminds us that anxiety is useful! The goal isn’t to get rid of it but to manage it.
• Teenagers develop strategies for survival in social situations that could make them feel alone.
  • Kyle shares some truths and tips about how to manage that, particularly for boys, who by that time, have already learned to repress emotional expression.
    • He stresses the importance of boys developing a friend group that they can confide in and be vulnerable with.
    • Dealing with self-esteem and confidence issues is universal even if it doesn’t feel like it and knowing that can help boys overcome the fear of sharing themselves more openly.
    • How to teach boys to be vulnerable? Kyle reframes what strength actually can look like: sharing is more than caring; it’s actually a show of strength.

How have you dealt with social anxiety over the years? What would you tell your teenage self about dealing with self-doubt and lack of confidence? We’ll say it again: sharing is caring! Share your stories and takeaways and we’ll share them with our online community!

• In our deep dive, Kyle shares his own story dealing with anxiety and how this led him to the work he does helping teens and tweens deal with theirs.
• He walks us through the strategies he used to help him manage anxiety as a young man. 
  • Self-love was the missing piece for Kyle and is for a lot of boys. He shares his feelings of self-hate and what led him to a turning point.
  • Kyle is a father now and sees how his own kids deal with self-love and acceptance.
• Kyle shares his three-step process for dealing with social anxiety (37:39)
  • Exposure therapy opened a whole new world for Kyle and got him thirsting for stretching his comfort zone.
  • Rewards systems are hugely helpful. Boys
• While self-love is the name of the game, that term can be a turnoff to boys because it’s associated with femininity.
  • Kyle exposes how using the right language to draw boys into their healing. 
• What was the turning point for Kyle, where he realized that anxiety wasn’t running his life anymore?
• Kyle shares how working uncomfortability into his life and his family’s life has changed everything. 
  • He loves looking back on his journey going from being an anxious kid to being a public speaker helping kids with anxiety. 
  • Kyle shares why his work is so important and the gratification seeing people move past their fears brings him.
• Kyle plans to visit schools with The DUDE Project this fall to help more kids deal with anxiety. Samantha had a moment of gratitude.
• Like we said above, teen anxiety is on the rise in the US. Please share this conversation with anyone who might benefit from it and check out mental health resources on our website. 

Thanks for listening!

• Remoy takes us back to the first wedding ever, which took place in China. Find out what a man had to do to win the hand of the king’s daughter.
• At this wedding, the bride didn’t wear white. Remoy puts us on game about the painting that started it all. LaToya and Samantha react to the infamous painting of women being auctioned off at a marriage market. 😬
  • Edwin Long’s choice to paint the brides’ dresses white was his own and didn’t reflect the era he lived in. Remoy questions which women were considered pure and LaToya explains how the purity conversation excluding Black women impacts Black marriages…
  • Remoy puts the history of marriage in context socially. Marriage was thought of as a wealthy-white-man activity – they were the only ones who could afford it! Black marriage in the US did evolve from those traditions with the extra weight of racism flaring up in relationships.
    • LaToya gives us a rundown of what Black women experience in public as a result.
• The impact of racism on Black marriages is very real.
  • LaToya shares some of her findings interviewing Black couples in her research.
    • Black men also rely on their partner emotionally dealing with racism in their public life. Home is an important structure for maintaining themselves in a racist society.
    • Social networks and community are critical beacons of support for Black couples navigating racism.
    • LaToya also makes a nod to the economic benefits of marriage for Black not just practically, but socially.
• In our Five Questions segment, Samantha wants some answers on marriage and LaToya delivers.
  • LaToya’s paper reports back on her conversations with 20 Black men about egalitarianism and marriage and she and Samantha get into it all.
    • Black marriages are more egalitarian than ever before, and many Black men resist white supremacy and its gendered capitalism by seeking a partner with equal or higher income. But it seems egalitarian spirit stops at income. Why?
    • What is this notion of “moral backbone” LaToya writes about? It does include emotional support, but somehow is still patriarchal. Our guest asserts that Black men’s notion of masculinity is entrenched in protectorship and providership and spells out what it can look like. Solutionism, anyone?
  • What would it look like for Black men to embrace egalitarianism practically and emotionally?
    • Black men retaining that protectionist MASK is helpful in dealing with a racist society, but how to shed that at home? LaToya argues that Black men are uniquely positioned to embrace egalitarianism, but power, and specifically, gender power plays a huge part in why egalitarianism has only reached so far in Black marriages.
    • What could it look like for Black men to fully embrace egalitarianism while still feeling valued? LaToya gives her recommendations on how to get there.

Let us know what you thought of this episode! 

We’re taking a break in August! So you’ll have time to catch up on and relisten to all MASKulinity episodes. We’ll be back in mid-September to continue unmasking masculinity, but in the meantime, make sure to sign up for our biweekly newsletter to continue getting those MASKulinity updates and recaps. Have a great month!

Referenced in this episode:

• Black Marriage Through the Prism of Gender, Race, and Class by Kecia Johnson
• The Fresh Prince and 📺 Episode with Soraya Giaccardi

COMPANION PIECES:

• The Racial Hierarchy of MASKulinity, with Dr. Liu - Part 2 ENCORE
• The Racial Hierarchy of MASKulinity, with Dr. Liu - Part 1 ENCORE
• Let’s Talk MASKulinity, Bruh with Jeremy Herte
• Men as Victims of Violent Crime with Yuval Moses

• But first, Remoy walks us through some surprising facts about  boys’ TV shows. 
  • Who are the leading characters in boys’ TV shows? Remoy shares some stats from Soraya’s seminal report (check it out; it’s linked below) about how genders are represented in leading roles. 
    • Turns out that there is surprising parity among the binary genders in leading character representation.
    • Girls being in leading roles is not as big a deterrent in boys’ TV shows as we might collectively think… More on that later.
  • Women and girls are way more represented than they used to be, but how much are current gender depictions on boys’ TV shows challenging MASKulinity? The hosts discuss, with some valuable insights from our media scholar guest. 
  • LGBTQIA+ characters are still seldom the leading roles in boys’ TV. Soraya hypothesizes why that might be… 
  • One factor that remains consistent is that boys remain perpetrators of violence on screen… and the victims of it. There’s still so much work to do when it comes to men’s and boys’ representations on screen. 
    • While boys are disproportionately harmed on screen, we don’t always see them processing that violence emotionally…
  • Remoy draws key points from Soraya’s report on how these depictions, or lack thereof, impact us boys in their real life.
    • How exactly are boys’ relationships with their close ones depicted on the small screen compared to their fellow femme characters? This all informs how they interpret gender.
    • Soraya stresses the importance of deconstructing these stereotypes as boys intake them during formative years.
  • Despite making so much headway in balancing the binary genders, boys continue to primarily show just one emotion on screen… You guessed it: anger.
• We watch TV a lot more than we used to as a society. It’s available virtually at any time, on any nearby screen.
  • How has that impacted the way we process TV shows? Soraya breaks down the connections between our viewership and our socialization in romantic and platonic relationships.
• Remoy and Samantha take a walk down memory lane, reflecting on one of their favorite TV shows, The Fresh Prince of Bel Air. 
  • Samantha shares how the show shaped her views of femininity and romantic relationships. Sue the woo! Track.
  • Remoy looks back on a pivotal scene between Uncle Phil and Will. You’ll recognize it when you hear it.
    • Soraya’s analysis highlights a critical knowledge on what supportive parenting can look like for boys as modeled by this touching scene.
• What show shaped your views of gender and romantic relationships? Let us know in the comments!
• In our Five Questions segment, the hosts go expectedly deeper.
  • What does TV’s impact look like in our lives?
    • How does it manifest and what can we do about it? Soraya drops some key research findings about the way we relate to characters on screen. 
  • TV depictions aren’t just impacting us unwittingly; characters and storylines on the small screen also allow us to access liberation in some ways… 
    • Soraya shares her own experience with TV as a youngster and how it can bridge us to worlds unknown, which for many of us, can be a connection to communities we long for. 
  • The surprising stats about women being more present on TV bring up an interesting point: if girls are just as likely to draw a boys’ audience, why do we think that otherwise? 
    • Soraya cautions us about our own perceptions and how knowing the facts can shatter them. 
    • She stresses how controlling the narrative keeps us in the patriarchal loop of our own perceptions. Statistical facts humble us with the truth and can boys, men, masc folks, and all of us, really, closer to the truth.
• Soraya shares about this dream job marrying psychology and communications. We’re glad she chose this route!

Referenced in this episode:

• ENCORE: It *Was* Time to Loosen the Grip on Reproductive Freedom - Heidi Sieck schooled us on how controlling narratives led to the reversal of Roe vs. Wade.
• .MASKulinity is making some people a lot of money - we talked about how women-led movies are of much better quality and get much better ratings than they get credit for…
• “If He Can See It, Will He Be It? Representations of Masculinity in Boys’ Television”, the report Soraya wrote at the Geena Davis Institute in partnership with Equimundo and the Kering Foundation
• Cultivation theory - read about TV impacts us over time
• Media Use and Men’s Risk Behaviors: Examining the Role of Masculinity Ideology - cowritten by our illustrious scholar guest, Soraya Giaccardi

COMPANION PIECES:

• Trivia Night! Movie Time? Romance and Loneliness Edition - we talked about depictions of thoughtful fatherhood on screen
• Radicalization and TSwift - we talked with Jeff Perera about how men relate to women’s jokes
• Romance MASKulinity: Getting the Girl… - we talked with Imran Siddiquee about what romance in movies teaches men and boys about masculinity

• Remoy starts out with a confession… Was it as unexpected for you as it was for Samantha? Who knew he had THIS facet…
• How would you describe someone in the military? Remoy poses this question and leads us into the seldom-talked-about ways that folks used to  recruit soldiers into service back in the day.
  • In the days of Napoleon, his rival, the Duke of Wellington, had choice words about his own soldiers, and Dr. Hinojosa shares context that gives us insight into the predatory recruiting strategies of that time and why those methods were used.
    • (Despite Samantha’s excitement about beurre blanc and butter in general, we do realize that Napoleon lost to the Duke of Wellington 😅)
• Dr. Ray Hinojosa puts us on game about the different reasons people suit up and serve.
  • While duty and altruism are very likely reasons for people to join the military, the economic draft stands out as an opportunity to draw folks into military service.
  • Recruiters play on traditional notions of masculinity like protection and duty to draw folks in, which may be predatory in its own way…
• Remoy walks us through some more military history, this time in Samantha’s birthland, with D-Day.
  • Recruiting practices had somewhat shifted then, and men that had barely made it into adulthood ended up making up the majority of the armed forces.
• Dr. Hinojosa gets candid about the other reasons people join the military. Perception is everything.
  • Marketing has played a huge part in military recruiting, with video-game-like ads and messaging  playing to manhood.
  • Our guest breaks down how the realities of military service are stripped from recruitment messaging
• Remoy shares his own proxy experiences with the military. An acquaintance returns after their first year and he reflects on the person they became, impacting his own perspective about what he thought about service.
• In our deep dive, Dr. Hinojosa shares how we can support servicemen after their time in the military.
  • “First and foremost, we have to remember that men are human beings, and they’re human beings with a full range of emotional expression. Even if they don’t always know how to express it well, those feelings are still there, right? Anger, fear, shame, concern, anxiety and all of the things that come with having big emotions.”
  • Remembering that everyone experiences deployment differently is key. It’s Important to hear folks for their own experience—sage advice for all walks of life.
  • Having a trauma-informed perspective helps to dispel barriers to understanding especially since many young men have a hard time sharing details of their time in the service with folks who have not experienced it themselves.
• Why do some men not know they need care? Our literati host ponders and our expert weighs in.
  • MASKulinity, essentially. And Dr. Hinojosa breaks down exactly what that looks like.
  • Social connection has been proven to help people live longer, but experiences in the military can lead to loneliness, so what do we do? Hear what Dr. Hinojosa advises.
• This theory of “self as object,” what does it mean exactly? Dr. Hinojosa breaks down this concept first presented in his dissertation about how we use our bodies as an object to project the type of person we want to be perceived as. The military is no exception.
• Despite its many questionable aspects and tactics, the military has given us many benefits that we don’t always think about. Listen to find out what everyday items we have the military to thank for, for example, washing machines!
  • But also, it provides a certain status in society that people respect and have more empathy for…
• We finish this episode with Dr. Hinojosa providing tips for supporting veterans through their trauma. It’s a good one.
• Are you a service member? Did we miss anything? Let us know!

Referenced in this episode:

• Dr. Ray Hinojosa’s dissertation “Recruiting' the Self The Military and the Making of Masculinities”
• MCU and the military have a relationship
• The ad Remoy shared with Dr. Hinojosa and Samantha

COMPANION PIECES:

• Ignoring it won’t make it go away! How doing the work leads to men’s freedom, with resident therapist Justin Lioi
• Men as Victims of Violent Crime, with Yuval Moses, a therapist from the Crime Victims Treatment Center
• The Army is having trouble recruiting men

• Samantha and Remoy play back clips from this insightful 2018 episode. They remember their old selves trying to make sense of this conversation just a year into the show and compare it to now, as their older (hopefully wiser!) selves.
  • The hosts share what it meant to have D’Lo stop on the pod as immigrant folks themselves.
• D’Lo shared his experience growing up and questioning his gender identity in a Sri Lankan family, living in one of the most racist counties in California as the setting. 
  • While his family was accepting of his looking like a little boy and having nothing but boys as friends, he had to take on the MASK of girlhood in his larger community.
  • He describes the first transition he made to fit into society’s expectations, and it may not be what you think.
• Remoy and Samantha reflect on their own immigrant-kid experiences and how that impacted their understanding of gender.
  • Samantha shares her gratitude for folks like D’Lo who made sure their voices were heard and created a more nuanced picture of what gender could be in immigrant communities.
• D’Lo challenged the notion that traits must be associated with either femininity or masculinity exclusively. He never felt that way himself and most people don’t actually live that way either.
  • Samantha looks back on what she’s learned about the gender spectrum over the years
• What informed D’Lo’s notions of gender growing up? He opens up about
  • Remoy shares his own experiences with MASKulinity as a young South Asian man growing up in a mostly white community. 
  • He expresses his gratitude for the multitude of perspectives out there now that have expanded our understanding of gender, in particular for people of color, more specifically for that immigrant family fighting for the “American Dream”
• D’Lo reflects on his new understanding of strength. His perceptions of his parents drastically shifted once his understanding of gendered pressures grew and he started challenging them himself.
  • Remoy shares how empowering it is to hear this shift in perspective.
  • Samantha shares her discovery of anger and how that escaped her as a woman in 2018.
• D’Lo has embraced all his multitudes and shares how being an artist allowed him to express them all.
  • Remoy as a multihyphenate himself embraced his own wholeness rather than falling to the pressures of achievement.
  • Shout-out to the folks out there fighting to make POC trans voices heard!

Let us know how your own views about gender have changed over the years!!

Referenced in this episode:

• D’Lo on how he came out three times
• More about D’Lo
• Not Past It - Remoy’s history-focused podcast

COMPANION PIECES:

• Transitioning into Immigrant MASKulinity
• Relationships: Behind the MASK of Stoicism
• The Racial Hierarchy of MASKulinity, with Dr. Liu - Part 1 ENCORE
• My Body, My Transition, My Identity — How A Colombian Trans Activist

• Is wrestling fake? How dare you ask that?! Beto sets the record straight.
  • Wrestling is simultaneously sport and theater. This scripted performance produces an over-the-top MASKulinity for its audience of mostly men to thoroughly enjoy. What are the implications for MASKulinity? We discuss.
  • Beto walks us through what that has looked like in the ring over time.
• Beto and Remoy share their mutual love of wrestling as youngsters and nerd out on their favorite moves.
  • Moonsault anyone? What’s a hangman? Get your Google out—lots of terms in this one.
• Beto walks us through wrestling history and its connections to theater performances.
  • Many sports often have that flavor of homoerotism in many ways, and wrestling is no different.
  • How did wrestling evolve from its carnival roots to the WWE we know and love?
  • Wrestlers meld their in-ring persona with their real-world persona.
    • Colorful characters Stone Cold Steve Austins and The Rocks bled into American pop culture with their larger-than-life personas informing MASKulinity in their own ways.
• Listen for the best quote on professional wrestling you’ve ever heard in your life from Vince McMahon’s unauthorized biography.
• Beto highlights the different “characters” in wrestling storytelling:
  • You’ve got your heel, your monster heel, your babyface—all different facets of MASKulinity in the ring.
    • We’ve gotta know! Which archetype do you love?
    • Samantha gets to guess who The Man is, and if your wrestling knowledge is as limited as hers, you may be surprised to find out who it is…
• Women wrestle too, but it wasn’t always that way…
  • Models used to be recruited to get in the ring?! How did we go from hyperfemininity in this MASKuline world to Chyna and Jade Cargill?
  • Beto gives us a portrait of the evolution of women wrestlers in the McMahon machine.
• In our UnMASKed Interview segment, we get a snapshot of luchador culture and performance and its impact on American wrestling.
• We reflect on the ways that wrestling lets men watch other men be close…something they’re way less allowed to do in real life.
  • Is it cathartic?
  • Beto reflects on his Southern culture around MASKulinity and the vicarious experience that the WWE offers.
• We go further in the theatricality of the WWE and what that looks like when performing for tens of thousands of people.

Referenced in this episode:

• Beto O’Byrne guest references Ringmaster: Vince McMahon and the Unmaking of America by Abraham Josephine Reisman
• Masculinity, explained by WWE
• Samantha reacted to this video
• For deeper dives on wrestling and its history, check out wrestling observer Dave Metzler or former wrestling manager turned podcaster Jim Cornette
• Samantha developed a new crush in this episode

COMPANION PIECES:

• When we talked with with Kirstin Cronn-Mills about women’s sports in Don't Let Them Play ⚽️⚾ Lest the MASK Fall Away
• Women’s impact in wresting
• The impact of lucha culture

• Remoy takes the mic this week to explore this system that is often viewed as a patriarchy with women in charge. Matriarchy, however, is far from that. 
• Remoy makes the important note, which bears repeating, that most sources used to write this episode have the same patriarchal lens that we are trying to unMASK. We must always bear this in mind.
• Izzy talks us through the buzz words that describe women-led societies—what’s matrilineal versus matrilocal versus matriarchal? Listen to find out!
  • But there’s a reason why Izzy only uses one of these terms, though. She shares her experience creating her documentary Matriarch and the feedback she’s gotten.
• Izzy dispels the one-to-one comparison between patriarchy and matriarchy using facts from the societies she’s exploring in Matriarch.
  • What role do men play in a matriarchy?
  • Izzy fascinates Remoy and Samantha with the way men leaders (and husbands) are picked in the matriarchies she’s documenting.
  • Roles were respected in a different way in matriarchies, a way that didn’t require oppression or exploitation. So much to learn from this system…
• Why don’t we hear that much about matriarchies? Besides separate efforts to undermine their existence and legitimacy, many of them have been overtaken by patriarchal settlers.
• Remoy talks us through a couple matriarchies from different corners of the world.
  • First the Bijagos. Folks living in the Guinea Bissau archipelago were a matriarchy run by clan mothers. But this wasn’t just patriarchy with women at the top. Listen to find out how the Bijagos ran their community.
  • Then he comes to the Western hemisphere to present the Haudenosaunee, an indigenous group based in what is now Canada. Also a matriarchal and matrilineal community with mixed leadership, the Haudenosaunee is a longstanding group with community as one of its core values.
  • Is it true that in some societies, women propose to men? Get ready to hear more excitement from Remoy than you’ve heard all year. 
• Izzy paints a picture of the matriarchies and what it looks like to include all genders in leadership. She makes an important point about gender roles in matriarchies, which she credits to her advisor on Matriarch, a member of the Haudenosaunee tribe.
• Why are there so many matriarchies that no longer exist? Look no further than Western settler culture and colonialism. Guess how they proceeded?
• Quiz yourself on matriarchies with all the buzz words we give you this episode!
  • Hoyaneh
  • Orebok
  • Clan mother
  • Datuk
• Remoy gets just five questions to ask Izzy about matriarchy and gender. 
  • Izzy shines more light on one of patriarchy’s running theme: control.
    • Is it still a problem in matriarchy? We’ll let you take a wild guess.
  • She shares the most surprising things about matriarchy and checks all of us on the language that we use when talking about community.
  • Izzy implores us to ask “Right for whom?!” when it comes to gender roles in any system.
  • Izzy shares why it’s important to study and document matriarchies. What can we learn from them?
• Would you move to a matriarchy for a year? Why or not?? Let us know!

Referenced in this episode:

• The first look at Matriarch, Izzy Chan’s upcoming documentary on matriarchal societies:
  • Indonesia’s Minangkabau
  • Khasis: India's indigenous matrilineal society
  • In Sahara Desert's Tuareg Tribe, Islamic Women Rule The Roost
  • A look at the Mosuo
• Information about the Haudenosaunee from the Haudenosaunee
• Some history on the Bijagos

COMPANION PIECES:

• We talked about community with Jeremy Herte of Let’s Talk Bruh and started exploring patriarchy vs matriarchy in Let’s Talk MASKulinity, Bruh

Learn more

 about matriarchies!

• Remoy guesses his way to this Oscar-winning movie with a modern Frankenstein story. Themes of liberation and control abound!
• First, they once again distill MASKulinity - what is it again? And why are we talking about it?
• This movie explores power and gender in an absurdist and comical way, which allows for a complete abandonment of social conventions. No apologies, no social conventions - it’s a delight!
  • No conventions means no prescriptions, which—you guessed it!—leaves the MASKuline characters in this movie in a dangle of confusion and frustration.
  • Remoy gives us the literati background of the movie, giving us insight into the story this movie is based on and its author
• What is it about women’s liberation that challenges men’s masculinity?
  • Samantha and Remoy discuss how the story pulls us in to pose this ever-relevant question.
• Literati and Marvel at the same time? We’ll let you figure out the context on that one.
• MASKulinity comes in all shapes and sizes in this flick.
  • What does this movie want to leave us with in terms of gender? And why?
  • Samantha tells us why she recommended this film and ponders who it’s intended for.
• What movies have you seen that explore the performance of masculinity? Send them to us! We’ll be discussing it on a future episode and you might get a chance to be on Beneath the MASK 🎭!

Referenced in this episode:

• Some loved this film
• Some did not love this film
• Some more insight into the book this film is based on

COMPANION PIECES:

• Our first movie night this season: Trivia Night! Movie Time? Romance and Loneliness Edition
• When we talked to MASKulinity-questioning filmmaker Imran Siddiquee about Romance MASKulinity: Getting the Girl...

Some thoughts

 on women’s sexual liberation in the flick

• Follow along as our two hosts listen back to a season two episode where former guests Halston Bruce and Julie Henderson bring their A-game — sharing their experiences navigating gender's very blurry lines in and out of the gym
  • Julie's court dominance sparks an eye-opening discussion on the importance of male allyship
    • Remoy tells story after story... first how he failed his and Julie's movie favorite—Love and Basketball
      • Next, an anecdote about how venturing into some "femme" craftiness cracked open a deeper discussion on what it looks like to break free from the performance of MASKulinity
  • Halston's vulnerability about the muscle stigma she endured has Samantha and Remoy parsing through all the strengths women have to continually flex
  • Julie and Remoy's banter on the lack of infrastructural support for girls' sports in 2018 now seems hilariously outdated in the face of the current women's basketball revolution

Referenced in this episode:

• The OG MASKulinity episode starring one Julie Henderson and Halston Bruce: Women Athletes: performing masculinity (and femininity) on and off the court
• Another episode referenced from the (recent) past: Don't Let Them Play ⚽️⚾ Lest the MASK Fall Away
• NCAA coach and champ Dawn Staley advocates for trans athletes, both on and off the court
• Boston Celtics' Jason Tatum reveals the female athletes who inspire him
• NBA star Trae Young champions women's sports with his vocal support
• The 2024 Women's NCAA tournament final breaks records and redefines the future of the game’s relationship with audiences
• Explore Iceland's fishing industry through Halston Bruce's stunning documentary, Blood Memory
• Step into the vibrant world of Reunion Los Angeles, Halston Bruce's curated creative space

COMPANION PIECES:

• Travel back to the first live MASKulinity Podcast episode at Halston Bruce’s co-curated art Salon: MASKulinity Live at First Person Plural!
• Julie Henderson and Notre Dame coach Niele Ivey talk about Black women’s fashion and sports
• Julie Henderson's godson talks through his appreciation for women athletes… NBA rising star Jaden Ivey
• Women athletes flex on muscle stigma, breaking free from stereotypes
• Girls are finding their strength through powerlifting
• The comeuppance of girls basketball is now
• An oral history 20 years after the premiere of Love and Basketball

• Remember NFTs? So many of those are worth a lot less than they were in 2023, but German questions why so many men used the internet this way and how it led to the crypto-bro. 🧐:
• In our latest episode of the season titled “Man v/s Machine”, we unravel the fascinating world of online fandoms and how gender influences the way we talk, socialize, and action on the internet.
  • For years, fandom has been the heartbeat of the internet. But did you know that the way men and women engage with their fandoms varies significantly? 
  •  Women have harnessed the power of fandom to create nurturing communities, driving trends like the massive sale of Stanley Mugs. They have been the ones who have turned the “social” in social media, and their thriving support of artists like One Direction, Harry Styles, Taylor Swift, K-Pop, and others have shaped the way we think about online discourse. 
  • Men, on the other hand, have channeled their fandom into the digital economy, pushing the possible dangers of cryptocurrencies and NFTs. As well as pushing up people like Jordan Perterson, Joe Rogan, Andrew Tate, 4chan, and others. 
  • And who better to guide us through than YouTuber and Writer Alice Cappelle? Known for her youtube videos diving into sociology, and online interactions. Alice shares about her perspectives being a female YouTuber as well as her knowledge of fandom online. As well we look a bit at her book “Collapse Feminism”
  • How do these diverse fandom expressions shape the internet we navigate daily? Do they bring positive culture or do they bring harm?
• Be sure to follow German’s substack The Ferdinand to hear additional thoughts on the subject! This blog serves as a great companion for Modern Manhood, and you know we love a companion piece.

Referenced in this episode:

• Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all seven criminal fraud counts
• When Sneako Meets His Fans
• Alice Cappelle's Collapse Feminism

COMPANION PIECES:

• Kaitlyn Tiffany's Everything I Need I get from You
• One Direction fangirls created the internet as we know it
• How the alt-right uses internet trolling to confuse you into dismissing its ideology
• ‘Crypto bro’ isn’t just slang.
• Alice Cappelle questions whether positive masculinity is overrated

• Sports have always been framed and regarded as a men’s activity by the powers that be, but in reality, all genders have always participated. Did you know that women were running their own soccer league in England in the late 1800s? How did we go from women being entrepreneurs turning away thousands of eager spectators at their sold-out matches to women being underrepresented in sports? Remoy charts the timeline of women’s soccer in England before patriarchy intervened.
• Before baseball was segregated, girls just played with boys. Did they have to create separate leagues because girls couldn’t keep up? Or was it threatening to boys’ status to have girls play in their leagues? Listen as Remoy gives the gray answer of what actually happened and Kirstin Cronn-Mills shares historical sports insights of her own.
• Our illustrious guest questions what it is about women’s power that makes men so uncomfortable and reveals how her work in sports and novels has informed her own parenting.
• Using pseudoscience to proclaim certain people’s superiority is not a new game! Remoy outlines how teams kept girls out of baseball and how real science exposed that the truth is quite the opposite of the arguments used to maintain sports as strictly a boys’ thing.
  • Kirstin drops knowledge on trans athlete Lia Thomas and what it’s really like when trans women compete after their transition. Knowing the real science is really the key!
• Help us name our revamped interview segment! 🎙️ This week, it’s Remoy who deep-dives with our illustrious guest, Kirstin Cronn-Mills, and Samantha is back in the hot seat! Send us your suggestions at maskulinitypodcast@gmail.com.
• Kirstin Cronn-Mills shares some key insights and knowledge about sports and gender through her author and educator lens and she and Remoy ponder what sports might have been like had patriarchal control not intervened.
• Things are on the up and up with women and queer athletes! Don’t miss the most exciting things Kirstin is excited about when it comes to the evolution of sports and gender.
• We give Serena Williams the props she deserves and find out who was nicknamed after her as a young adult!
• young adult!

Referenced on this episode:

• Gender Inequality in Sports and LGBTQ+ Athletes Claim the Field by Kirstin Cronn-Mills
• Playing With the Boys by Eileen McDonagh and Laura Pappano
• There's No Girls In Baseball is  the fight for inclusion in Little League baseball as reported and produced by Remoy Philip
• The history behind the U.K.'s women's soccer ban
• The truth about Lia Thomas swimming against other cis women

COMPANION PIECES:

• Women Athletes: performing masculinity (and femininity) on and off the court
• Supporting LGBTQ Athletes in the Binary World of Sports
• Weaving the Fabric of Exclusive American Masculinity with the Boy Scouts
• Maria Pepe: the New Jersey girl who sued to play baseball with the boys

• We’re always talking about patriarchy, but what is it exactly? And is it really the way it’s always been? Samantha shares the differences between matriarchy and patriarchy and highlights key differences beyond which gender is at the helm.
• We reflect on just a few societies that have maintained or developed matriarchal structures. Did you know there were hunter-gatherer societies in the present day? These societies are much more egalitarian than we might think.. 
• Did you attend a Muffins with Mom or Donuts with Dads event as a kid? Some schools hold these parent events which might seem harmless. We talk through the unforeseen impact of this event designed for dads and Remoy evokes the importance of challenging the social behaviors that we think of as natural and default.
• Jeremy shares the inspiration behind Let’s Talk Bruh and the big part that community played in starting the show and its impact on his life and perspective.
• Is there really a gender war? Jeremy gets into it and offers insight.
• Our guest explains how his unlearning of patriarchy required community in different aspects of his life. What’s the hardest part of patriarchy to unlearn? Jeremy’s answer might be different than you expect…

Referenced on this episode:

• What is patriarchy? A little helpful breakdown from CNN
• Hunter-gatherers operated a little differently than what we thought
• Rethinking “Muffins with Moms” and “Donuts with Dads
  • Some names to make it more inclusive
• Let’s Talk Bruh episode discussing gender wars within communities.
• Let’s Talk Bruh podcast archive

COMPANION PIECES:

• Sugar Hill Band? Capitalism and MASKulinity in Hip Hop, with masculinity scholar and accountability strategist, Nalo Zidan
• Home ALONE for the Holidays, with resident men’s counselor,  Justin Lioi
• We’re All a Little MASKy, with #SameHere Global founder Eric Kussin
• Black Masculinity, Mental Health and Education, with clinical psychologist, Dr. Obari Cartman
• Some tips on men building community
• On Let’s Talk Bruh

• This subgenre of rock emerged in 1960s England and made its way to the States in all its grandiosity. It was characterized by loud makeup and outfits, and challenged typical masculine presentation; that doesn't mean it was inclusive. 
  • Samantha shares some glam rock history, including the story behind Ziggy Stardust and the name Queen. Hint: it’s all about gender performance.
  • This era is often remembered as purely accepting of these artists on and offstage, she explains why, between Ziggy Stardust and Freddie Mercury, glam rock was only accepting of gender and sexual fluidity onstage. 
  • Danny offers his thoughts on MASKulinity and how it shows up in rock performances.
• Glam Rock was a little different in the southern hemisphere. With tropícalia influences, Brazilian glam rock emerged in the early ‘70s. And that’s when the band Secos e Molhados formed. 
  • Samantha takes us through the differences between Brazil, US, and England in their reception of glam rock artists.
  • Nicknamed the David Bowie of Brazil, Secos e Molhados lead singer Ney Matogrosso’s impact on Brazilian music is still celebrated today. Samantha paints a picture of the ‘70s dictatorship and what made a particular social group tap into Secos e Molhados.
  • Danny offers some background on the social backdrop in South America at the time.
• Help us name our revamped interview segment! 🎙️ Samantha will dive deep with our guests as they get to ask Remoy a question. Why should Samantha be the only one in the hot seat? Help us name this! Send us your suggestions at maskulinitypodcast@gmail.com.
  • Danny tells us about Oreja Peluda and what it looks like to foster conversations around masculinity across Latin America.
  • How does learning and thinking about MASKulinity impact a musician, you ask? Danny gives us some insight on his evolving experience as an artist invested in conversations unmasking masculinity.

Referenced on this episode:

• Danny Perez’s podcast Oreja Peluda
• Glam Rock Challenging Hegemonic Masculinity
• Ney Matogrosso on pushing boundaries for life
• Michael Watts’s interview with David Bowie

COMPANION PIECES:

• When Hip Hop Unmasks Masculinity, Part 1
• When Hip Hop Unmasks Masculinity, Part 2
• Sugar Hill Band? Capitalism and MASKulinity in Hip Hop
• UnMASKing Masculinity, Music Trivia Edition 🎶

• He shares how hip hop’s musical structure helped him understand sociology thinkers and their theories.
• He shares how his interest in understanding belonging influences his hip-hop curriculum and how that led him to question the hip-hop history that existed prior to his book.
• How much has hip hop evolved?
  • How have MCs dealt with that evolution or lack thereof? Things were said in the past that could never be said today (homophobia and ignoring consent), and things are said today that would never have been said in the past (vulnerability).
  • But some things have only marginally changed, such as women still having more space for flexible sexuality than men do.
• Who are the gatekeepers in hip hop? It may not be who you think… Tyler Bunzey offers a theory and shares the best hip-hop culture analogy 9th Wonder made when he was studying under the acclaimed producer at Duke.
  • He shares his gripes about how the arts get left behind in terms of funding and the importance of exposing students to different perspectives and identities in the industry.
• Professor Bunzey provides more context on how consumers are also complicit in upholding MASKulinity in commercial hip hop.
• Hip-hop bracket anyone? The scholars share about the Hip-Hop and Urban Sociology course they coteach and how hip-hop provides an interesting lens through which to examine sociological issues. Like Samantha, you, too, may be sad that this class wasn’t around when you were in school.

Referenced on this episode:

• Mark Anthony Neal’s Looking for Leroy: Illegible Black Masculinities
• Tyler Bunzey’s Hip Hop Sublime theory
• Dr. Ewoodzie’s seminal book Break Beats in the Bronx
• Troy Smith’s thoughts on hip-hop knowledge; his archives

COMPANION PIECES:

• When Hip Hop Unmasks Masculinity, Part 1
• Tyler Bunzey on Beneath the MASK 🎭
• Sugar Hill Band? Capitalism and MASKulinity in Hip Hop
• MASKulinity is Making Some People a Lot of Money

Referenced on this episode:

• Interview with Black Violin
• Black Violin’s “Stereotypes”
• Tyler Bunzey’s Hip Hop Sublime theory
• Dr. Ewoodzie’s seminal book Break Beats in the Bronx
• Big Freedia challenges hip hop as we know it
• Daphne Brooks’s Liner Notes for the Revolution
• Check out our last Beneath the MASK 🎭

COMPANION PIECES:

• Sugar Hill Band? Capitalism and MASKulinity in Hip Hop
• MASKulinity is Making Some People a Lot of Money
• Unpopular opinion on Kendrick Lamar’s Pulitzer

Referenced on this episode:

• Mother of Rap: The Success & Controversy of Hip Hop’s Sylvia Robinson, producer of the first commercially released hip hop track, “Rapper’s Delight”
• Saba: ‘RAP CAN GET CLASSIST – I WANT TO BE THE OPPOSITE’
• Noname: Tiny Desk Concert featuring Ghetto Sage
• The Sound of Capitalism

COMPANION PIECES:

• MASKulinity is Making Some People a Lot of Money
• Nalo Zidan’s TEDxLSU talk It’s Time to Redefine Masculinity
• The Roots of Jay-Z’s ‘Black Capitalism’
• Black Capitalism Won’t Save Us

• Samantha does a “dramatic reading” of a few songs spanning genres and eras, and German and Remoy guess what they are. But most importantly, they answer the question, are these songs masking or unmasking masculinity?
• German lives up to his reputation as a bonafide music-head, providing thoughtful insight about the performance of masculinity through the lens of these artists’ style and personas. He also drops some important historical context around music and masculinity.
  • How have artists subverted gender roles via music performance and did that permeate other areas of their lives as artists? The crew discusses!
• Samantha and German then take a deep dive into the performance of masculinity in music. Is it different from genre to genre? Are there parallels between the MASKulinity-tech influencer pipeline we talked about earlier this season and the bravado of men’s musical performances? We’d love to hear what you think, so be sure to shoot us a note.
• Finally, German preps us for the new season of Modern Manhood, “Man Vs Machine.” Listen till the end to hear the dope trailer.

Referenced on this episode:

• Bikini Kill
• One of our artist picks opens up about mental health
• "I Made My ADHD Into My Strength": Understanding The Link Between Rap & Neurodivergence
• Cash's masculine vulnerability
• The Beastie Boys’ Feminist Evolution
• One of our picks helped mainstream male emotion

COMPANION PIECES:

• A Man’s World? How Music and Masculinity Got a Makeover
• The Year Pop’s Men Dismantled Their Masculinity

• Jake Stika, executive director and cofounder of Next Gen Men, joins us this week to close out the year. He shares the importance of including different perspectives in the books we read, as he, Remoy, and Samantha all share their book gratitudes. SPOILER: Remoy continues to deny his literati status even as he shares a 700-page book.
• Jake goes Beyond Our Own Knowledge, getting into a couple of dope Next Gen Men initiatives.
• The crew stresses the importance of saving publications with factual information in this age of misinformation and disinformation as Next Gen Men completes a very important campaign
• The crew has a moment of gratitude for mental health. Remoy shares his personal experience in another moment of gratitude.

Referenced on this episode:

• Badass journalist Sarah Kendzior, who wrote Hiding in Plain Sight, cohosts Gaslit Nation with Andrea Chalupa
• A Little Life by Hanya Yanagihara, a rich story of multidimensional male characters
• B.O.O.K. Club
• Meghann M. Cuniff, the reporter who brought accurate information about the trial  to social media in response to Tory Lanez’s team’s misinformation campaign against Megan Thee Stallion
• Therapy and mental care
• The Transgender Issue by Shon Faye
• More on the Delhi street theatre company Janam
• See No Stranger A Memoir and Manifesto of Revolutionary Love by Valerie Kaur
• More about Voice Male Magazine
• MASKulinity Podcast being back - you know where to go.

• Americans have less and less friends. On this episode, Samantha and Remoy talk through some Survey Center on America Life findings on the state of American friendships. There are many men who have absolutely no friends, and that number is steadily increasing. The hosts get some help to understand how this impacts them during the holiday season.
• Our resident counselor for men, Justin Lioi, is back to talk about having mental ease during the holidays. He stresses that being alone at this time can be a fulfilling choice but it’s OK to reach out for attention and support if it’s loneliness rather than intentional alone time.
• Justin helps the hosts understand why reaching out can be difficult for men, how slipping back into old relationship dynamics can make it worse, and how to detect mental distress in the body.

COMPANION PIECES:

• Ya can’t pour from an empty cup! How Men Can Take Better Care of Themselves
• Ignoring it won’t make it go away! How doing the work leads to men’s freedom 
• Special Episode! Getting Free, with Darnell Moore

Referenced on this episode:

• Terrence Real, therapist author of I Don’t Want to Talk About It: Overcoming the Secret Legacy of Male Depression
• Pia Mellody, author of Facing Codependence: What It Is, Where It Comes from, How It Sabotages Our Lives
• Bowling Alone by Robert D. Putnam shows how we people in modern societies have become more and more disconnected from each other

• How much do we really know about mental health? Eric Kussin shares his personal experience with a mental health crisis as an athlete, executive, and brother, and how stigma-filled representations out there led him to start his organization, a global movement for mental health.
• The hosts talk masculinity contest culture and how leadership and masculinity are not always mutually exclusive. Eric paints a picture of what it looks like to prioritize mental wellness to get results and stresses the importance of embracing different leadership styles.
• Eric reflects on how celebrated overworking is and how understanding that work includes rest and care creates safer workplaces.

COMPANION PIECES:

• UnMASKing the Workplace
• Ya can’t pour from an empty cup! How Men Can Take Better Care of Themselves
• Black Masculinity, Mental Health, and Education

Referenced on this episode:

• Kevin Love speaks on mental health
• Carolyn Flack sharing mental health battles before her passing
• Masculinity contest culture

• We switch it up this week! Remoy has some stories to fill Samantha in on. They talk language traditions, how colonial/settler/imperialist institutions use language to marginalize indigenous communities, and how that translates to altering narratives about a painful past.
  • Remoy talks us through  how the co-woman led Indian of All Tribes organization took over Alcatraz for a year-and-a-half and gets real about the astronomical impact of the genocide of indigenous peoples.
  • He shares more female native activists like Shinanova who use their social media voices to pass on a continued message of resistance.
• Keestin shares key history about Frog Lake First Nations and its legacy in Alberta, Canada--specifically the Frog Lake Massacre. If you listen hard enough, you can hear how history is finding a way to repeat itself now.
• He lets us in on how his and other indigenous communities have had to fight postcolonial legacy to reclaim their history and identity, including redefining the notion of “warrior” and what it means to provide.
• Keestin inspires us to break through our illusions of language and masculinity. He shares the evolution of his own experience with masculinity, how a community of men was pivotal, and how that impacts the work he does today.

COMPANION PIECES:

• Keestin’s TEDx talk on perceptions of indigenous manhood
• The indigenous occupation of Alcatraz

Referenced on this episode:

• 54th Annual National Day of Mourning Demonstration in Plymouth
  • Livestream the event on Youtube
• Dr. LaNada War Jack
• Richard Oakes
• Indian of All Tribes (IAT)
• ShinaNova

• Dr. Liu sheds light on the real impact at work, in public spaces, and more on men of color being held to the standard of white masculinity.
• We dig into the notion of racial meritocracy and the dangers of falling for it!.

Is proximity to whiteness helpful in certain spaces? Perhaps, but it’s still a facade. And don’t we want our selves evaluated just for us?

• Dr. Liu shares some statistical insights on how various generations dea lwith and understand the intersection of masculinity and race.
• We continue getting the game on how pervasive white supremacy is and how important it is to continue discussing race when talking about gender and sexuality.

COMPANION PIECES:

Relevant Episodes

• UnMASKing the Workplace
• #WAKANDAFOREVER
• White Supremacy to Google Said What?

Referenced on this episode:

• Dr. Liu shares his experience at the Journal of Counseling Psychology
• Demarginalizing the Intersection of Race and Sex: A black Feminist Critique of Anti-discrimination Doctrine, Feminist Theory and Antiracist Politics by Kimberlé Crenshaw

• We unmask how white supremacy and masculinity are inextricably linked, and how BIPOC men’s identities and lives are policed through that lens. 
• Get ready to hear how the construction of a complicit middle class allows for the superiority of whiteness. 
• You get some important definitions this episode, including intersectionality and how it’s changed over time, white supremacy, white privilege. What is hegemony, again? Dr. Liu covers it all.

COMPANION PIECES:

Relevant Episodes

• Black Masculinity, Mental Health, and Education
• #WAKANDAFOREVER
• White Supremacy to Google Said What?

Referenced on this episode:

• White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack by by Peggy McIntosh
• "Demarginalizing the Intersection of Race and Sex: A black Feminist Critique of Anti-discrimination Doctrine, Feminist Theory and Antiracist Politics" by Kimberlé Crenshaw

• One is a thoughtful indie about a father-daughter vacation. It explores themes of loneliness, mental health issues, and human connection, using beautiful cinematic devices. We’ll give you a few hints—it’s not an American film and it’s a coming-of-age story, perhaps not for whom you might think.
• The other is making waves on Netflix. A covert office romance gone wrong. A high-power couple sees their relationship tested in the battleground that is Wall Street when one unsuspectedly gets a promotion. The filmmaker asks a pertinent question: Why does a woman being powerful make a man feel powerless?
• There are spoilers in the companion pieces—you’ve been warned!

COMPANION PIECES:

• UnMASKing the Workplace
• Ya can’t pour from an empty cup! How Men Can Take Better Care of Themselves

• Remoy’s still living under a rock, and it’s not a drill. Samantha gets him up to speed on why some conservative men feel betrayed by Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift’s relationship. Is she empowering women too much with these break-up songs?
• We get to talking about Critical Race Theory, your new-edition Fahrenheit 451.  Where does the term actually come from? And what does it have to do men and boys trying to get a grip on healthy masculinity?
• Finally, how is it that boys and men of color are being radicalized into far-right extremism? Our  guests have done a decade's plus work around maskulinity and provide what knowldege they've surfaced. We talk empathy, what is missing that extremist groups are the recourse for boys, and what we can do.

COMPANION EPISODES:

• Michael Kimmel helped us understand why some men feel left behind. Which is how men be part of a community upholding the maskulinity they’ve been taught: 
  • Make America Great Again, How the Dominant Was Left Behind, with Dr. Michael Kimmel
• If you didn’t catch it last week, Dr. Liu’s input and work are more relevant than ever:
  • The Racial Hierarchy of MASKulinity, with Dr. Liu - Part 1
  • The Racial Hierarchy of MASKulinity, with Dr. Liu, Part 2

• First off, we’re now supported by Next Gen Men, your friendly neighborhood healthy masculinity organization based in Canada. Shout-out to them for doing the work to transform how the world sees and acts on masculinity.
• Remoy has also been living under a rock, writing, reading, traveling and staying the hell out of the news cycle. So each week, Samantha will put him up on game about all things news, pop culture, sports and more, working to try and make sense of this maskulinity thing. This episode they discuss #girlmath and #boymath, and healthy masculinity nemesis Andrew Tate!
• Our hosts are joined by podbro German Villegas, Next Gen Men board member and host of Modern Manhood,  on our post-COVID premiere to go further in depth into this masked collusion between influence and tech and how that's informing his next season of the pod.

Previous episodes mentioned:

• The Racial Hierarchy of MASKulinity, with Dr. Liu - Part 1
• The Racial Hierarchy of MASKulinity - with Dr. Liu, Part 2

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• Crisis Text Line  *Text 741741 (UK + Can)
• US National Suicide Prevention Hotline  *Call 1-800-273-8255
• 7 Cups
• The Mighty
• Bring Change to Mind
• Be There
• TeenMentalHealth.org
• Mental Health Innovation Network
• mhGAP
• 2018 Lancet Commission on Global Mental Health and Sustainable Development.
• MyMindOurHumanity
• Global Mental Health Peer Network
• 18percent

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