https://simplecast.com Open Spaces with Jeff & Jourdan Johnson Life is messy, faith can be complicated, and some struggles feel too big to say out loud—but true freedom is found in the light. Open Spaces Podcast is a place for honest conversations about the battles we often keep hidden, reminding us that we don’t have to fight alone. Hosted by Jeff and Jourdan Johnson, Open Spaces began with their own story—navigating the challenges of marriage, faith, and identity while learning what it means to follow Jesus with vulnerability. But this podcast isn’t just about them. It’s about creating a space where no topic is off-limits—grief, identity, marriage, faith, and the struggles that feel impossible to say out loud. Our hope? That by going first, others will find the courage to share their own stories, step into the light, and believe that nothing is impossible with God. 2025 Open Spaces Podcast en Tue, 21 Apr 2026 04:00:00 +0000 Tue, 21 Apr 2026 04:00:16 +0000 https://open-spaces.simplecast.com Open Spaces with Jeff & Jourdan Johnson https://image.simplecastcdn.com/images/2204bbc6-970a-424a-b72d-a292ac31fecc/a22eca80-12e9-430d-b812-bcfaf37655ab/3000x3000/open-20spaces-20podcast-20art-v2.jpg?aid=rss_feed https://open-spaces.simplecast.com episodic Life is messy, faith can be complicated, and some struggles feel too big to say out loud—but true freedom is found in the light. Open Spaces Podcast is a place for honest conversations about the battles we often keep hidden, reminding us that we don’t have to fight alone. Hosted by Jeff and Jourdan Johnson, Open Spaces began with their own story—navigating the challenges of marriage, faith, and identity while learning what it means to follow Jesus with vulnerability. But this podcast isn’t just about them. It’s about creating a space where no topic is off-limits—grief, identity, marriage, faith, and the struggles that feel impossible to say out loud. Our hope? That by going first, others will find the courage to share their own stories, step into the light, and believe that nothing is impossible with God. Jeff & Jourdan Johnson false https://feeds.simplecast.com/mPCv2iJq authenticity, christian, mental health, relationships, vulnerability Jeff & Jourdan Johnson podcast@openspacespodcast.com 11cbc495-2ac7-4163-a893-7ede144485be Finding True Intimacy - Ep 16 In this powerful conversation, Jeff and Jourdan sit down with Rita Springer for an honest and deeply moving discussion about identity, intimacy with God, disappointment, dependency, fear, singleness, and learning how to keep trusting the Lord when life does not turn out the way you thought it would.

Rita shares from her own story with remarkable vulnerability, opening up about unanswered prayers, seasons of pain, the wrestle of carrying promises, and the way God continues to meet her in both heartbreak and hope. Together, they talk about what it means to lean on God instead of becoming dependent on other people or things, how identity is constantly under attack, and why peace in God can matter even more than getting the answer you were hoping for.

This episode is for anyone walking through confusion, disappointment, grief, same-sex attraction, unanswered prayers, or the tension of trying to stay faithful when the road feels long. Rita’s wisdom, honesty, and love for Jesus make this conversation one that will strengthen your faith and remind you that you are deeply loved by God.


In this episode, we talk about:

Identity and the battle for freedom

Dependency on God vs. codependency

Singleness, longing, and carrying promises

Disappointment, fear, and trusting God’s timing

Intimacy with the Lord in seasons of pain

Why peace can matter more than immediate answers

The love of God that meets us in the wilderness

 

Follow along with Rita on Instagram and the Worship is My Weapon podcast!

 

]]> Tue, 21 Apr 2026 04:00:00 +0000 podcast@openspacespodcast.com (Jeff & Jourdan Johnson) https://open-spaces.simplecast.com/episodes/finding-true-intimacy-ep-16-k8IbAdwl In this powerful conversation, Jeff and Jourdan sit down with Rita Springer for an honest and deeply moving discussion about identity, intimacy with God, disappointment, dependency, fear, singleness, and learning how to keep trusting the Lord when life does not turn out the way you thought it would.

Rita shares from her own story with remarkable vulnerability, opening up about unanswered prayers, seasons of pain, the wrestle of carrying promises, and the way God continues to meet her in both heartbreak and hope. Together, they talk about what it means to lean on God instead of becoming dependent on other people or things, how identity is constantly under attack, and why peace in God can matter even more than getting the answer you were hoping for.

This episode is for anyone walking through confusion, disappointment, grief, same-sex attraction, unanswered prayers, or the tension of trying to stay faithful when the road feels long. Rita’s wisdom, honesty, and love for Jesus make this conversation one that will strengthen your faith and remind you that you are deeply loved by God.


In this episode, we talk about:

Identity and the battle for freedom

Dependency on God vs. codependency

Singleness, longing, and carrying promises

Disappointment, fear, and trusting God’s timing

Intimacy with the Lord in seasons of pain

Why peace can matter more than immediate answers

The love of God that meets us in the wilderness

 

Follow along with Rita on Instagram and the Worship is My Weapon podcast!

 

]]> Finding True Intimacy - Ep 16 Jeff & Jourdan Johnson 01:03:09 Rita Springer joins Jeff and Jourdan for an honest and deeply moving discussion about identity, intimacy with God, disappointment, dependency, fear, singleness, and learning how to keep trusting the Lord when life does not turn out the way you thought it would. Rita Springer joins Jeff and Jourdan for an honest and deeply moving discussion about identity, intimacy with God, disappointment, dependency, fear, singleness, and learning how to keep trusting the Lord when life does not turn out the way you thought it would. false full 16 681a85dc-23fa-483e-9699-cadf03ea6877 Community: What We Learned - Ep 15 Jeff and Jourdan reunite after Jourdan’s hiatus to recap their "Community Series." They share personal stories about vulnerability, discuss the nuances of terminology within the LGBTQ+ Christian space, and offer encouragement to those seeking deeper, more authentic friendships.  

Key Discussion Points

•    Opening & Catching Up:

◦    Jourdan returns to the podcast after a break following the passing of her mother.  

◦    Jeff shares a lighthearted story about his "spring" orange Zara shirt and a hard-to-find hat from the brand Envy La Vie.  

•    The Power of Vulnerability:

◦    The couple reflects on how their deepest friendships were born from being vulnerable about Jeff's struggle with same-sex attraction (SSA).  

◦    Vulnerability is described as the "key that unlocks" deep relationships and removes the power that isolation and shame hold over individuals.  

•    Navigating Terminology:

◦    Jeff and Jourdan discuss their ongoing learning regarding terms like "gay" versus "same-sex attraction".  

◦    They recount conversations with other believers who use "gay" as an adjective rather than an identity, emphasizing that "heart posture" is more important than semantics.  

•    The "Community Series" Recap:

◦    A look back at earlier guests, including Wes Martin (the first person Jeff ever told about his SSA) and friends like the Vogeltanz and Stanfills.  

◦    They address feedback that their community can seem "intimidating" and clarify that these deep bonds were built over decades of "growing therapy" and intentional effort.  

•    Encouragement for Marriage & Disclosure:

◦    Jeff and Jourdan advocate for honesty within marriage, particularly regarding SSA.  

◦    They believe true intimacy and freedom are found through being fully known by a spouse, though they advise using "wisdom" in how and when to share.  

•    Personal Growth & Fears:

◦    Jourdan shares her own experience with vulnerability during a 10-day counseling intensive, where she feared that uncovering "deep places" might change her husband's view of her.  

Mentioned in This Episode

•    Guests from the Series: Wes Martin, the Vogeltanz, the Stanfills, and Brook Mosser.    

•    Brands: Zara, Envy La Vie.  

•    Conferences/Media: The ECO Conference in Atlanta, The Becket Cook Podcast, and Rita Springer’s Worship Is My Weapon podcast.  

How to Connect

•    Website: Visit openspacespodcast.com to sign up for the newsletter or submit an "Open Story" anonymously.    

•    Social Media: Follow @openspacespodcast on Instagram for "Open Stories Fridays".

]]> Tue, 14 Apr 2026 04:00:00 +0000 podcast@openspacespodcast.com (Jeff & Jourdan Johnson) https://open-spaces.simplecast.com/episodes/community-what-we-learned-ep-15-Qtd5CRbM Jeff and Jourdan reunite after Jourdan’s hiatus to recap their "Community Series." They share personal stories about vulnerability, discuss the nuances of terminology within the LGBTQ+ Christian space, and offer encouragement to those seeking deeper, more authentic friendships.  

Key Discussion Points

•    Opening & Catching Up:

◦    Jourdan returns to the podcast after a break following the passing of her mother.  

◦    Jeff shares a lighthearted story about his "spring" orange Zara shirt and a hard-to-find hat from the brand Envy La Vie.  

•    The Power of Vulnerability:

◦    The couple reflects on how their deepest friendships were born from being vulnerable about Jeff's struggle with same-sex attraction (SSA).  

◦    Vulnerability is described as the "key that unlocks" deep relationships and removes the power that isolation and shame hold over individuals.  

•    Navigating Terminology:

◦    Jeff and Jourdan discuss their ongoing learning regarding terms like "gay" versus "same-sex attraction".  

◦    They recount conversations with other believers who use "gay" as an adjective rather than an identity, emphasizing that "heart posture" is more important than semantics.  

•    The "Community Series" Recap:

◦    A look back at earlier guests, including Wes Martin (the first person Jeff ever told about his SSA) and friends like the Vogeltanz and Stanfills.  

◦    They address feedback that their community can seem "intimidating" and clarify that these deep bonds were built over decades of "growing therapy" and intentional effort.  

•    Encouragement for Marriage & Disclosure:

◦    Jeff and Jourdan advocate for honesty within marriage, particularly regarding SSA.  

◦    They believe true intimacy and freedom are found through being fully known by a spouse, though they advise using "wisdom" in how and when to share.  

•    Personal Growth & Fears:

◦    Jourdan shares her own experience with vulnerability during a 10-day counseling intensive, where she feared that uncovering "deep places" might change her husband's view of her.  

Mentioned in This Episode

•    Guests from the Series: Wes Martin, the Vogeltanz, the Stanfills, and Brook Mosser.    

•    Brands: Zara, Envy La Vie.  

•    Conferences/Media: The ECO Conference in Atlanta, The Becket Cook Podcast, and Rita Springer’s Worship Is My Weapon podcast.  

How to Connect

•    Website: Visit openspacespodcast.com to sign up for the newsletter or submit an "Open Story" anonymously.    

•    Social Media: Follow @openspacespodcast on Instagram for "Open Stories Fridays".

]]> Community: What We Learned - Ep 15 Jeff & Jourdan Johnson 00:35:46 Jeff and Jourdan reunite after Jourdan’s hiatus to recap their "Community Series." They share personal stories about vulnerability, discuss the nuances of terminology within the LGBTQ+ Christian space, and offer encouragement to those seeking deeper, more authentic friendships. Jeff and Jourdan reunite after Jourdan’s hiatus to recap their "Community Series." They share personal stories about vulnerability, discuss the nuances of terminology within the LGBTQ+ Christian space, and offer encouragement to those seeking deeper, more authentic friendships. false full 15 789194d5-eac6-4edc-8ab5-1441bb0b5b6b Family Secrets and Forgiveness - Ep 14 Every family has secrets. Some are small, tucked away in quiet corners. But others—the ones that shape us, break us, and ultimately define us—demand to be told.


 

In this episode, Jeff sits down with Brook Mosser from Intentional Parents to discuss a chapter of his life he's never publicly shared before. We explore complex family dynamics, the silent struggle of hidden same-sex attraction, and how God's work of forgiveness transformed his family from the inside out.


 

This conversation is intense and deeply honest. Please note: this episode includes discussions around various forms of abuse, including child abuse.


 

Be sure to check out all things Intentional!

Intentionalparents.org

Instagram: intentional_parents


 

Also keep in touch with us at openspacespodcast.com

]]> Tue, 31 Mar 2026 04:00:00 +0000 podcast@openspacespodcast.com (Jeff Johnson, Brook Mosser) https://open-spaces.simplecast.com/episodes/family-secrets-and-forgiveness-ep-14-DxTrcubF Every family has secrets. Some are small, tucked away in quiet corners. But others—the ones that shape us, break us, and ultimately define us—demand to be told.


 

In this episode, Jeff sits down with Brook Mosser from Intentional Parents to discuss a chapter of his life he's never publicly shared before. We explore complex family dynamics, the silent struggle of hidden same-sex attraction, and how God's work of forgiveness transformed his family from the inside out.


 

This conversation is intense and deeply honest. Please note: this episode includes discussions around various forms of abuse, including child abuse.


 

Be sure to check out all things Intentional!

Intentionalparents.org

Instagram: intentional_parents


 

Also keep in touch with us at openspacespodcast.com

]]> Family Secrets and Forgiveness - Ep 14 Jeff Johnson, Brook Mosser 01:13:15 In this episode, Jeff sits down with Brook Mosser from Intentional Parents to discuss a chapter of his life he's never publicly shared before. We explore complex family dynamics, the silent struggle of hidden same-sex attraction, and how God's work of forgiveness transformed his family from the inside out. In this episode, Jeff sits down with Brook Mosser from Intentional Parents to discuss a chapter of his life he's never publicly shared before. We explore complex family dynamics, the silent struggle of hidden same-sex attraction, and how God's work of forgiveness transformed his family from the inside out. false full 14 8a6ff666-3ece-4dd6-928e-5003330b05a5 Community: The Messy Beginnings - Ep 13 In this deeply personal episode of Open Spaces, Jeff sits down with his longtime friend Wes Martin — the first friend Jeff ever shared his struggle with.


 

Wes had a front row seat to the earliest and most fragile days of Jeff learning how to bring his story into the light. What started as an awkward and uncertain conversation between two friends eventually grew into something much deeper. During some of Jeff’s darkest moments, when the weight of shame and confusion left him feeling hopeless and even questioning if life was worth living, Wes and his wife Amanda stepped in with extraordinary care.


 

They didn’t have all the answers. But they offered what mattered most: presence, love, and a safe place to land. At one point they even opened their home to Jeff, making sure he wasn’t alone as he wrestled through those difficult days.


 

Together they reflect on the messy beginnings of vulnerability — what it’s like to tell someone your struggle for the first time, how imperfect those early conversations can be, and how real friendship often means figuring it out as you go.


 

This episode is a reminder that when honesty is met with deep relationship and love, even the most complicated and painful moments can become the starting point for something beautiful.


 

If you’ve ever wondered what it looks like to take that first step of letting someone into your struggle, this conversation is for you.

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2026 04:00:00 +0000 podcast@openspacespodcast.com (Jeff Johnson, Wes Martin) https://open-spaces.simplecast.com/episodes/community-the-messy-beginnings-ep-13-F7NoZmqs In this deeply personal episode of Open Spaces, Jeff sits down with his longtime friend Wes Martin — the first friend Jeff ever shared his struggle with.


 

Wes had a front row seat to the earliest and most fragile days of Jeff learning how to bring his story into the light. What started as an awkward and uncertain conversation between two friends eventually grew into something much deeper. During some of Jeff’s darkest moments, when the weight of shame and confusion left him feeling hopeless and even questioning if life was worth living, Wes and his wife Amanda stepped in with extraordinary care.


 

They didn’t have all the answers. But they offered what mattered most: presence, love, and a safe place to land. At one point they even opened their home to Jeff, making sure he wasn’t alone as he wrestled through those difficult days.


 

Together they reflect on the messy beginnings of vulnerability — what it’s like to tell someone your struggle for the first time, how imperfect those early conversations can be, and how real friendship often means figuring it out as you go.


 

This episode is a reminder that when honesty is met with deep relationship and love, even the most complicated and painful moments can become the starting point for something beautiful.


 

If you’ve ever wondered what it looks like to take that first step of letting someone into your struggle, this conversation is for you.

]]> Community: The Messy Beginnings - Ep 13 Jeff Johnson, Wes Martin 00:50:09 In this deeply personal episode of Open Spaces, Jeff sits down with his longtime friend Wes Martin — the first friend Jeff ever shared his struggle with. In this deeply personal episode of Open Spaces, Jeff sits down with his longtime friend Wes Martin — the first friend Jeff ever shared his struggle with. false full 13 9a591511-880d-4bb2-96f8-07a9736d1c68 Community: You make sense - Ep 12 In this powerful and deeply personal episode of Open Spaces, Jeff and Jourdan sit down with one of their closest friends of over 23 years, Drew Worsham — illusionist, author of The Magic of Curiosity, pastor, and trusted confidant.


 

This conversation is far more than a reunion. Drew has walked with Jeff and Jourdan since the very beginning of their story — through dating, breakups, Jeff’s early confession of struggling with same-sex attraction, their engagement, and now decades of marriage and ministry. Few people have had such a front-row seat to their journey.


 

Together, they unpack:

• What it looked like for Jeff to first share his struggle with Drew

• How a friendship can remain steady, safe, and non-transactional in the face of vulnerability

• Why curiosity — not condemnation — creates space for transformation

• How the Church can better engage conversations around same-sex attraction

• What to say to someone who hates themselves for their struggle

• The difference between leading with conviction and leading with love

• Why obedience is a response to love — not a prerequisite for it


 

Drew shares how curiosity became a guiding compass in his life — from studying psychology, to performing as a magician, to planting a church, to rediscovering humility after becoming the “expert.” He explains how losing curiosity nearly cost him relational depth — and how reclaiming it reshaped his marriage, ministry, and friendships.


 

One of the most moving moments comes as Drew reflects on Jesus and the woman caught in adultery — reminding listeners that God is not thrown off by our brokenness. He does not lead with condemnation. He leads with love, and invites us into transformation from there.


 

For parents navigating a child’s confession.

For those wrestling with shame.

For pastors unsure how to step into this conversation.

For anyone who feels like their struggle defines them.


 

This episode is an invitation into the “messy middle” — where truth and grace are not enemies, where curiosity builds bridges, and where the love of Jesus becomes the starting place for real change.


 

It’s about friendship.

It’s about freedom.

It’s about learning that none of us are as alone — or as different — as we think.


 

And above all, it’s about the kind of love that stays.

For more information on Drew’s ministry or to order his book, visit www.drewworsham.com

]]> Tue, 10 Mar 2026 04:00:00 +0000 podcast@openspacespodcast.com (Jeff & Jourdan Johnson, Drew Worsham) https://open-spaces.simplecast.com/episodes/community-you-make-sense-ep-12-3oP8N4wL In this powerful and deeply personal episode of Open Spaces, Jeff and Jourdan sit down with one of their closest friends of over 23 years, Drew Worsham — illusionist, author of The Magic of Curiosity, pastor, and trusted confidant.


 

This conversation is far more than a reunion. Drew has walked with Jeff and Jourdan since the very beginning of their story — through dating, breakups, Jeff’s early confession of struggling with same-sex attraction, their engagement, and now decades of marriage and ministry. Few people have had such a front-row seat to their journey.


 

Together, they unpack:

• What it looked like for Jeff to first share his struggle with Drew

• How a friendship can remain steady, safe, and non-transactional in the face of vulnerability

• Why curiosity — not condemnation — creates space for transformation

• How the Church can better engage conversations around same-sex attraction

• What to say to someone who hates themselves for their struggle

• The difference between leading with conviction and leading with love

• Why obedience is a response to love — not a prerequisite for it


 

Drew shares how curiosity became a guiding compass in his life — from studying psychology, to performing as a magician, to planting a church, to rediscovering humility after becoming the “expert.” He explains how losing curiosity nearly cost him relational depth — and how reclaiming it reshaped his marriage, ministry, and friendships.


 

One of the most moving moments comes as Drew reflects on Jesus and the woman caught in adultery — reminding listeners that God is not thrown off by our brokenness. He does not lead with condemnation. He leads with love, and invites us into transformation from there.


 

For parents navigating a child’s confession.

For those wrestling with shame.

For pastors unsure how to step into this conversation.

For anyone who feels like their struggle defines them.


 

This episode is an invitation into the “messy middle” — where truth and grace are not enemies, where curiosity builds bridges, and where the love of Jesus becomes the starting place for real change.


 

It’s about friendship.

It’s about freedom.

It’s about learning that none of us are as alone — or as different — as we think.


 

And above all, it’s about the kind of love that stays.

For more information on Drew’s ministry or to order his book, visit www.drewworsham.com

]]> Community: You make sense - Ep 12 Jeff & Jourdan Johnson, Drew Worsham 01:09:21 In this powerful and deeply personal episode of Open Spaces, Jeff and Jourdan sit down with one of their closest friends of over 23 years, Drew Worsham — illusionist, author of The Magic of Curiosity, pastor, and trusted confidant. In this powerful and deeply personal episode of Open Spaces, Jeff and Jourdan sit down with one of their closest friends of over 23 years, Drew Worsham — illusionist, author of The Magic of Curiosity, pastor, and trusted confidant. false full 12 9e6ffafe-52d4-4ac7-a1ec-06d053b58514 Community: Don’t Fight Alone - Ep 11 This week on Open Spaces, Jeff sits down with the two guys he walks with most closely in Atlanta, Bryson and Kristian, for a “guys-only” conversation (ladies, you’re absolutely invited to listen too). After last week’s episode with both couples, the three of them go deeper into the real question so many people ask: What do your weekly accountability time(s) actually look like?

 

They unpack their 10-year friendship journey, how it started, how trust was built over time, and why you can’t manufacture deep community overnight. You’ll hear the practical rhythms that keep them anchored: putting it on the calendar, moving from casual catch-up into honest heart-level sharing, asking specific questions, naming blind spots, and learning how to confess quickly without spiraling into shame.

 

They also talk about what happens when life gets busy and they can’t meet, how voice texts become a lifeline, and why this kind of friendship isn’t just about “trying harder,” but about living in the light, pursuing sanctification, and becoming better husbands, dads, and men who are ready to participate in what God is doing.

 

The episode closes with a prayer for anyone who feels alone, stuck, or unsure how to find community like this, asking God to break shame, provide friendships, and teach us how to walk with others well.

]]> Tue, 3 Mar 2026 05:00:00 +0000 podcast@openspacespodcast.com (Jeff & Jourdan Johnson) https://open-spaces.simplecast.com/episodes/community-dont-fight-alone-ep-11-SqpBVOS_ This week on Open Spaces, Jeff sits down with the two guys he walks with most closely in Atlanta, Bryson and Kristian, for a “guys-only” conversation (ladies, you’re absolutely invited to listen too). After last week’s episode with both couples, the three of them go deeper into the real question so many people ask: What do your weekly accountability time(s) actually look like?

 

They unpack their 10-year friendship journey, how it started, how trust was built over time, and why you can’t manufacture deep community overnight. You’ll hear the practical rhythms that keep them anchored: putting it on the calendar, moving from casual catch-up into honest heart-level sharing, asking specific questions, naming blind spots, and learning how to confess quickly without spiraling into shame.

 

They also talk about what happens when life gets busy and they can’t meet, how voice texts become a lifeline, and why this kind of friendship isn’t just about “trying harder,” but about living in the light, pursuing sanctification, and becoming better husbands, dads, and men who are ready to participate in what God is doing.

 

The episode closes with a prayer for anyone who feels alone, stuck, or unsure how to find community like this, asking God to break shame, provide friendships, and teach us how to walk with others well.

]]> Community: Don’t Fight Alone - Ep 11 Jeff & Jourdan Johnson 00:44:50 This week on Open Spaces, Jeff sits down with the two guys he walks with most closely in Atlanta, Bryson and Kristian, for a “guys-only” conversation (ladies, you’re absolutely invited to listen too). After last week’s episode with both couples, the three of them go deeper into the real question so many people ask: What do your weekly accountability time(s) actually look like? This week on Open Spaces, Jeff sits down with the two guys he walks with most closely in Atlanta, Bryson and Kristian, for a “guys-only” conversation (ladies, you’re absolutely invited to listen too). After last week’s episode with both couples, the three of them go deeper into the real question so many people ask: What do your weekly accountability time(s) actually look like? false full 11 c70aecf0-311b-4227-b320-18628791dbb9 Community: The Power of Being Known - Ep 10 We’re kicking off a brand new series on community because we believe you were never meant to walk alone.

 

In this episode, we’re joined by our closest friends, Kristian & Kerri Stanfill and  Bryson & Emily Vogeltanz, the couples we’ve done daily life with for over a decade. We laugh (a lot), tell some stories you’ve never heard, and open up about what it actually looks like to live known.

 

From the first vulnerable conversations…
to weekly rhythms of accountability…
to navigating tension, grief, big life transitions, and raising 11 kids among us…

 

We’re talking about:

• What happened when we shared our story for the first time

• How vulnerability changed everything

• The power of consistency in friendship

• Why real community is reciprocal (not a support group for one person)

• How to respond when someone trusts you with something hard

• And what it looks like to build friendships that last decades

 

This isn’t surface-level friendship.


This is showing up. Staying. Asking hard questions. Laughing until you cry.
And choosing depth over isolation.

If you’ve ever wondered what real accountability looks like…
If you’re craving deeper friendships…
Or if you’re trying to figure out how to take one step toward being more known…

 

This episode is for you.

Let’s talk about how we actually do life with our people.

]]> Tue, 24 Feb 2026 05:00:00 +0000 podcast@openspacespodcast.com (Jourdan Johnson, Jeff Johnson) https://open-spaces.simplecast.com/episodes/community-the-power-of-being-known-ep-10-RS_nS65y We’re kicking off a brand new series on community because we believe you were never meant to walk alone.

 

In this episode, we’re joined by our closest friends, Kristian & Kerri Stanfill and  Bryson & Emily Vogeltanz, the couples we’ve done daily life with for over a decade. We laugh (a lot), tell some stories you’ve never heard, and open up about what it actually looks like to live known.

 

From the first vulnerable conversations…
to weekly rhythms of accountability…
to navigating tension, grief, big life transitions, and raising 11 kids among us…

 

We’re talking about:

• What happened when we shared our story for the first time

• How vulnerability changed everything

• The power of consistency in friendship

• Why real community is reciprocal (not a support group for one person)

• How to respond when someone trusts you with something hard

• And what it looks like to build friendships that last decades

 

This isn’t surface-level friendship.


This is showing up. Staying. Asking hard questions. Laughing until you cry.
And choosing depth over isolation.

If you’ve ever wondered what real accountability looks like…
If you’re craving deeper friendships…
Or if you’re trying to figure out how to take one step toward being more known…

 

This episode is for you.

Let’s talk about how we actually do life with our people.

]]> Community: The Power of Being Known - Ep 10 Jourdan Johnson, Jeff Johnson 01:07:29 In this episode, we’re joined by our closest friends, Kristian & Kerri Stanfill and Bryson & Emily Vogeltanz, the couples we’ve done daily life with for over a decade. We laugh (a lot), tell some stories you’ve never heard, and open up about what it actually looks like to live known. In this episode, we’re joined by our closest friends, Kristian & Kerri Stanfill and Bryson & Emily Vogeltanz, the couples we’ve done daily life with for over a decade. We laugh (a lot), tell some stories you’ve never heard, and open up about what it actually looks like to live known. false full 10 10a1b217-bc62-483b-9b70-cf6137694e37 Catching up! - Ep 9 It’s been a full season and today we’re catching you up.

 

In this episode, we share what life has actually looked like lately. From the conversations we’ve been having with listeners, to the pastoral moments we never expected, to the sheer number of messages from people who feel seen for the first time this season has been full.

 

We talk about what Open Spaces has quietly become: not just a podcast, but a place people are stepping into with their real stories.

 

We also share personal life updates from how we’re doing, what God has been teaching us, what has been heavy, what has been hopeful… and yes, somehow Jeff accidentally became a Scentfluencer on ShopMy along the way.

Stay connected! Sign up for the newsletter at openspacespodcast.com

Follow us on Instagram!

]]> Tue, 17 Feb 2026 05:00:00 +0000 podcast@openspacespodcast.com (Jourdan Johnson, Jeff Johnson) https://open-spaces.simplecast.com/episodes/catching-up-ep9-qMQjJWYE It’s been a full season and today we’re catching you up.

 

In this episode, we share what life has actually looked like lately. From the conversations we’ve been having with listeners, to the pastoral moments we never expected, to the sheer number of messages from people who feel seen for the first time this season has been full.

 

We talk about what Open Spaces has quietly become: not just a podcast, but a place people are stepping into with their real stories.

 

We also share personal life updates from how we’re doing, what God has been teaching us, what has been heavy, what has been hopeful… and yes, somehow Jeff accidentally became a Scentfluencer on ShopMy along the way.

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]]> Catching up! - Ep 9 Jourdan Johnson, Jeff Johnson 00:30:17 It’s been a full season and today we’re catching you up. In this episode, we share what life has actually looked like lately. From the conversations we’ve been having with listeners, to the pastoral moments we never expected, to the sheer number of messages from people who feel seen for the first time this season has been full. It’s been a full season and today we’re catching you up. In this episode, we share what life has actually looked like lately. From the conversations we’ve been having with listeners, to the pastoral moments we never expected, to the sheer number of messages from people who feel seen for the first time this season has been full. unwanted same-sex attraction, fighting sin false full 9 a8b1467b-527f-447f-a400-75a8cb95a528 Practical Steps for the Struggle - Ep 8 In this episode of Open Spaces, Jeff shares what he would say to someone navigating same-sex attraction while pursuing Jesus. He unpacks the two key questions he always asks—“Where is this path leading?” and “Is that what you really want?”—as a starting point for anyone who wants to fight this struggle.

Drawing from his own journey, Jeff offers honest encouragement and practical guidance on how to walk the narrow road, including the role of discipline, accountability, and community. It’s a vulnerable and hope-filled conversation for anyone ready to take a next step.

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]]> Tue, 1 Jul 2025 04:00:00 +0000 podcast@openspacespodcast.com (Jeff Johnson, Jourdan Johnson) https://open-spaces.simplecast.com/episodes/practical-steps-for-the-struggle-CvRF4wC5 In this episode of Open Spaces, Jeff shares what he would say to someone navigating same-sex attraction while pursuing Jesus. He unpacks the two key questions he always asks—“Where is this path leading?” and “Is that what you really want?”—as a starting point for anyone who wants to fight this struggle.

Drawing from his own journey, Jeff offers honest encouragement and practical guidance on how to walk the narrow road, including the role of discipline, accountability, and community. It’s a vulnerable and hope-filled conversation for anyone ready to take a next step.

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]]> Practical Steps for the Struggle - Ep 8 Jeff Johnson, Jourdan Johnson 00:41:10 In this episode of Open Spaces, Jeff shares what he would say to someone navigating same-sex attraction while pursuing Jesus. He unpacks the two key questions he always asks: “Where is this path leading?” and “Is that what you really want?”— as a starting point for anyone who wants to fight this struggle. In this episode of Open Spaces, Jeff shares what he would say to someone navigating same-sex attraction while pursuing Jesus. He unpacks the two key questions he always asks: “Where is this path leading?” and “Is that what you really want?”— as a starting point for anyone who wants to fight this struggle. unwanted same-sex attraction, fighting sin false full 8 607a0e44-64ad-4620-8225-5eb0c85a9f6b What I Needed Growing Up - Ep 7 In this episode of Open Spaces, Jeff shares what it was like growing up with same-sex attraction (SSA) in a loving Christian home. Jourdan interviews him about early experiences, missed moments, and what he wishes might have been different. While neither claims to be a parenting expert, their honest conversation offers a rare window into the inner world of a child processing shame, secrecy, and identity. Together, they reflect on how parents can show up with grace, even when they don’t have all the answers.

If you’re a parent of a child navigating SSA, or someone looking to understand it better through a personal, faith-filled lens, this episode is for you. Jeff’s story reminds us that prayer, presence, and genuine love matter more than perfect words.

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]]> Tue, 17 Jun 2025 04:00:00 +0000 podcast@openspacespodcast.com (Jeff & Jourdan Johnson) https://open-spaces.simplecast.com/episodes/what-i-needed-growing-up-ep-7-axbDOE2S In this episode of Open Spaces, Jeff shares what it was like growing up with same-sex attraction (SSA) in a loving Christian home. Jourdan interviews him about early experiences, missed moments, and what he wishes might have been different. While neither claims to be a parenting expert, their honest conversation offers a rare window into the inner world of a child processing shame, secrecy, and identity. Together, they reflect on how parents can show up with grace, even when they don’t have all the answers.

If you’re a parent of a child navigating SSA, or someone looking to understand it better through a personal, faith-filled lens, this episode is for you. Jeff’s story reminds us that prayer, presence, and genuine love matter more than perfect words.

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]]> What I Needed Growing Up - Ep 7 Jeff & Jourdan Johnson 00:55:09 In this episode of Open Spaces, Jeff dives deeper into what it was like growing up with same-sex attraction. In this episode of Open Spaces, Jeff dives deeper into what it was like growing up with same-sex attraction. ssa parenting, christian sexuality, parenting gay kids, parenting christian sexuality false full 7 e19310f7-8ee7-4c17-a1fc-de4e5d014814 Q & A: Top 5 Questions Answered - Ep 6 In this powerful follow-up episode of Open Spaces, Jeff and Jourdan respond to five of the most raw and frequently asked listener questions since releasing their story - including navigating marriage with same-sex attraction, building trust, staying vulnerable in ministry, and loving others with grace and conviction. They share honest reflections from their own journey and practical wisdom for anyone walking a similar path - whether you’re in ministry, in a relationship, or simply trying to understand how faith intersects with sexuality and identity.

The episode also dives deep into themes of obedience, shame, transparency, and what it truly means to be “yourself” when you’re following Jesus. With real talk about communication in marriage, parenting, church culture, and showing Christlike love to LGBTQ+ friends, this conversation offers a refreshing dose of clarity and compassion for a divided world. 

]]> Tue, 10 Jun 2025 04:00:00 +0000 podcast@openspacespodcast.com (Jeff & Jourdan Johnson) https://open-spaces.simplecast.com/episodes/q-a-top-5-qestions-answered-ep-6-qfCWZHn7 In this powerful follow-up episode of Open Spaces, Jeff and Jourdan respond to five of the most raw and frequently asked listener questions since releasing their story - including navigating marriage with same-sex attraction, building trust, staying vulnerable in ministry, and loving others with grace and conviction. They share honest reflections from their own journey and practical wisdom for anyone walking a similar path - whether you’re in ministry, in a relationship, or simply trying to understand how faith intersects with sexuality and identity.

The episode also dives deep into themes of obedience, shame, transparency, and what it truly means to be “yourself” when you’re following Jesus. With real talk about communication in marriage, parenting, church culture, and showing Christlike love to LGBTQ+ friends, this conversation offers a refreshing dose of clarity and compassion for a divided world. 

]]> Q & A: Top 5 Questions Answered - Ep 6 Jeff & Jourdan Johnson 00:56:22 In this powerful follow-up episode of Open Spaces, Jeff and Jourdan respond to five of the most raw and frequently asked listener questions since releasing their story. In this powerful follow-up episode of Open Spaces, Jeff and Jourdan respond to five of the most raw and frequently asked listener questions since releasing their story. faith and sexuality, lgbtq and church, dating with same sex attraction, dating, marriage false full 6 652ed40f-c3e1-4e55-a9c9-e0546915ffac The Impossible Becomes Possible - Ep 5 In this final episode of their introductory series, Jeff and Jourdan step into marriage after years of breakups, questions, and hard-won revelations. Their engagement wasn’t marked by grand gestures but by a quiet, resolute decision to move forward together.

They talk about their wedding day - beautiful monument - and that even after the vows, new challenges arise: intimacy, identity, and the call to lay down one’s life for another.

They don’t have all the answers, but they trust God is writing a story beyond their understanding. With their backstory complete, they now turn outward, inviting others to wrestle, question, and find freedom in the light.

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]]> Tue, 18 Mar 2025 04:00:00 +0000 podcast@openspacespodcast.com (Jeff & Jourdan Johnson) https://open-spaces.simplecast.com/episodes/the-impossible-becomes-possible-ep-5-tm1pNPKT In this final episode of their introductory series, Jeff and Jourdan step into marriage after years of breakups, questions, and hard-won revelations. Their engagement wasn’t marked by grand gestures but by a quiet, resolute decision to move forward together.

They talk about their wedding day - beautiful monument - and that even after the vows, new challenges arise: intimacy, identity, and the call to lay down one’s life for another.

They don’t have all the answers, but they trust God is writing a story beyond their understanding. With their backstory complete, they now turn outward, inviting others to wrestle, question, and find freedom in the light.

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]]> The Impossible Becomes Possible - Ep 5 Jeff & Jourdan Johnson 00:26:35 In this final episode of their introductory series, Jeff and Jourdan step into marriage after years of breakups, questions, and hard-won revelations. Their engagement wasn’t marked by grand gestures but by a quiet, resolute decision to move forward together. In this final episode of their introductory series, Jeff and Jourdan step into marriage after years of breakups, questions, and hard-won revelations. Their engagement wasn’t marked by grand gestures but by a quiet, resolute decision to move forward together. intimacy in marriage, mixed orientation marriage, redemption false full 5 f58bce96-f2f9-4d01-98be-e5b63d258dbb Navigating an Unconventional Relationship - Ep 4 After years of back and forth, Jeff and Jourdan take us into the most painful and transformative season of their journey. This episode revisits their three breakups, the heartbreak and healing that followed, and the unexpected road that led them back together.

Jeff opens up about his internal battles—how confession was freeing, but the struggle for wholeness was far from over. Jourdan shares her perspective on learning to release control, finding healing in the Lord, and what it meant to finally let go of a future she had fought so hard for. Both of them, separately, came to a place where they had to believe that God alone was enough. And just when they thought their paths had fully diverged, God rewrote the story in a way neither of them could have predicted. If you’ve ever struggled with knowing when to let go, when to fight for something, or how to trust God’s timing in relationships, this episode is for you.

In this raw conversation, Jeff and Jourdan unpack:

  • The role of counseling in their healing
  • What it felt like to truly surrender their futures to God
  • How grace (even in betrayal) shaped the trajectory of their lives
  • The moment they knew they were meant to be together—for good

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]]> Tue, 11 Mar 2025 04:00:00 +0000 podcast@openspacespodcast.com (Jeff & Jourdan Johnson) https://www.theopenspacescollective.com/ After years of back and forth, Jeff and Jourdan take us into the most painful and transformative season of their journey. This episode revisits their three breakups, the heartbreak and healing that followed, and the unexpected road that led them back together.

Jeff opens up about his internal battles—how confession was freeing, but the struggle for wholeness was far from over. Jourdan shares her perspective on learning to release control, finding healing in the Lord, and what it meant to finally let go of a future she had fought so hard for. Both of them, separately, came to a place where they had to believe that God alone was enough. And just when they thought their paths had fully diverged, God rewrote the story in a way neither of them could have predicted. If you’ve ever struggled with knowing when to let go, when to fight for something, or how to trust God’s timing in relationships, this episode is for you.

In this raw conversation, Jeff and Jourdan unpack:

  • The role of counseling in their healing
  • What it felt like to truly surrender their futures to God
  • How grace (even in betrayal) shaped the trajectory of their lives
  • The moment they knew they were meant to be together—for good

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]]> Navigating an Unconventional Relationship - Ep 4 Jeff & Jourdan Johnson 00:51:24 After years of back and forth, Jeff and Jourdan take us into the most painful and transformative season of their journey. This episode revisits their three breakups, the heartbreak and healing that followed, and the unexpected road that led them back together. After years of back and forth, Jeff and Jourdan take us into the most painful and transformative season of their journey. This episode revisits their three breakups, the heartbreak and healing that followed, and the unexpected road that led them back together. faith and sexuality, same sex attraction, mixed orientation marriage false full 4 f12ea265-d4a6-41bc-9d69-c8f733f81f02 Embracing What You Don’t Understand - Ep 3 In this powerful episode of Open Spaces Podcast, Jourdan shares her side of the story—what it was like to hear Jeff’s secret, navigate her own beliefs, and wrestle with what it meant for their future. Growing up in a traditional Christian environment, she never imagined she’d be faced with this reality. Yet, through love, curiosity, and a deeper understanding of grace, she found herself stepping into a story that was more complex, yet richer, than she ever expected. 

Jourdan and Jeff dive into the tension between truth and love, the importance of curiosity over judgment, and what it really means to walk alongside someone struggling with something you don’t fully understand. Whether you’re wrestling with your own beliefs, supporting someone in their journey, or simply trying to navigate hard conversations with grace, this episode offers a raw and honest look at what it means to love well in the messy middle. 

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]]> Tue, 4 Mar 2025 05:00:00 +0000 podcast@openspacespodcast.com (Jeff & Jourdan Johnson) https://www.theopenspacescollective.com/ In this powerful episode of Open Spaces Podcast, Jourdan shares her side of the story—what it was like to hear Jeff’s secret, navigate her own beliefs, and wrestle with what it meant for their future. Growing up in a traditional Christian environment, she never imagined she’d be faced with this reality. Yet, through love, curiosity, and a deeper understanding of grace, she found herself stepping into a story that was more complex, yet richer, than she ever expected. 

Jourdan and Jeff dive into the tension between truth and love, the importance of curiosity over judgment, and what it really means to walk alongside someone struggling with something you don’t fully understand. Whether you’re wrestling with your own beliefs, supporting someone in their journey, or simply trying to navigate hard conversations with grace, this episode offers a raw and honest look at what it means to love well in the messy middle. 

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]]> Embracing What You Don’t Understand - Ep 3 Jeff & Jourdan Johnson 00:42:28 In this powerful episode of Open Spaces Podcast, Jourdan shares her side of the story—what it was like to hear Jeff’s secret, navigate her own beliefs, and wrestle with what it meant for their future. In this powerful episode of Open Spaces Podcast, Jourdan shares her side of the story—what it was like to hear Jeff’s secret, navigate her own beliefs, and wrestle with what it meant for their future. faith and sexuality, faith and curiosity, same sex attraction false full 3 453e9956-29eb-4540-b75f-80567f978ca3 Desires and Faith Collide - Ep 2 In this deeply personal episode of Open Spaces Podcast, Jeff takes a courageous step forward, sharing the raw reality of his lifelong battle with same-sex attraction. With honesty and vulnerability, he unpacks his journey—from secret struggles and shame to surrendering his desires to Jesus.

Jeff and Jourdan discuss the power of radical obedience, the role of faith, and the impact of community in his journey. He challenges the cultural narrative, offering a perspective rooted in surrender rather than self-fulfillment. For anyone wrestling with identity, faith, or hidden struggles, this episode offers a beacon of hope—proving that even the impossible can become possible through the power and grace of Jesus.

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]]> Tue, 25 Feb 2025 05:05:00 +0000 podcast@openspacespodcast.com (Jeff Johnson, Jourdan Johnson) https://open-spaces.simplecast.com/episodes/desires-and-faith-collide-avB9B8cT In this deeply personal episode of Open Spaces Podcast, Jeff takes a courageous step forward, sharing the raw reality of his lifelong battle with same-sex attraction. With honesty and vulnerability, he unpacks his journey—from secret struggles and shame to surrendering his desires to Jesus.

Jeff and Jourdan discuss the power of radical obedience, the role of faith, and the impact of community in his journey. He challenges the cultural narrative, offering a perspective rooted in surrender rather than self-fulfillment. For anyone wrestling with identity, faith, or hidden struggles, this episode offers a beacon of hope—proving that even the impossible can become possible through the power and grace of Jesus.

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]]> Desires and Faith Collide - Ep 2 Jeff Johnson, Jourdan Johnson 00:46:15 In this deeply personal episode of Open Spaces Podcast, Jeff takes a courageous step forward, sharing the raw reality of his lifelong battle with same-sex attraction. With honesty and vulnerability, he unpacks his journey—from secret struggles and shame to surrendering his desires to Jesus. In this deeply personal episode of Open Spaces Podcast, Jeff takes a courageous step forward, sharing the raw reality of his lifelong battle with same-sex attraction. With honesty and vulnerability, he unpacks his journey—from secret struggles and shame to surrendering his desires to Jesus. christian, gay christian, mental health, same sex attraction false full 2 5a5e8594-f21b-4095-89e1-fb46a3726b4f The Secret That Changed Everything - Ep 1 Welcome to the Open Spaces Podcast! In this very first episode, Jeff and Jourdan Johnson take a courageous step into vulnerability, sharing their journey of faith, love, and struggle. They open up about their relationship, the challenges they faced, and the pivotal moment when Jeff revealed a deep secret he had never spoken out loud—one that changed everything.

Through raw honesty and grace, they explore how bringing hidden struggles into the light leads to true freedom. This episode is an invitation to step into open spaces, to have the hard conversations, and to experience the transformative power of Jesus’ love.

Join us as we go first—breaking the silence so that others can, too.

]]> Tue, 25 Feb 2025 05:00:00 +0000 podcast@openspacespodcast.com (Jeff & Jourdan Johnson) https://open-spaces.simplecast.com/episodes/the-secret-that-changed-everything-elj4mSgH Welcome to the Open Spaces Podcast! In this very first episode, Jeff and Jourdan Johnson take a courageous step into vulnerability, sharing their journey of faith, love, and struggle. They open up about their relationship, the challenges they faced, and the pivotal moment when Jeff revealed a deep secret he had never spoken out loud—one that changed everything.

Through raw honesty and grace, they explore how bringing hidden struggles into the light leads to true freedom. This episode is an invitation to step into open spaces, to have the hard conversations, and to experience the transformative power of Jesus’ love.

Join us as we go first—breaking the silence so that others can, too.

]]> The Secret That Changed Everything - Ep 1 Jeff & Jourdan Johnson 00:39:34 Welcome to the Open Spaces Podcast! In this very first episode, Jeff and Jourdan Johnson take a courageous step into vulnerability, sharing their journey of faith, love, and struggle. They open up about their relationship, the challenges they faced, and the pivotal moment when Jeff revealed a deep secret he had never spoken out loud—one that changed everything. Welcome to the Open Spaces Podcast! In this very first episode, Jeff and Jourdan Johnson take a courageous step into vulnerability, sharing their journey of faith, love, and struggle. They open up about their relationship, the challenges they faced, and the pivotal moment when Jeff revealed a deep secret he had never spoken out loud—one that changed everything. same sex attraction, mixed orientation marriage, relationships false full 1 0f42ad5f-589c-46c0-ba60-400a6132d9fa Open Spaces Podcast Trailer A preview of what's to come on Open Spaces with Jeff & Jourdan Johnson.

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]]> Wed, 19 Feb 2025 21:07:00 +0000 podcast@openspacespodcast.com (Jeff Johnson, Jourdan Johnson) https://open-spaces.simplecast.com/episodes/open-spaces-podcast-trailer-5ODsuLNe A preview of what's to come on Open Spaces with Jeff & Jourdan Johnson.

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]]> Open Spaces Podcast Trailer Jeff Johnson, Jourdan Johnson 00:01:14 A preview of what's to come on Open Spaces with Jeff and Jourdan Johnson. A preview of what's to come on Open Spaces with Jeff and Jourdan Johnson. faith, faith and sexuality, sexuality, same sex attraction false full 0