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      <title>Elon Musk’s Endgame</title>
      <description><![CDATA[<p>Ahead of the midterm elections, Elon Musk has become the single largest campaign donor in any election cycle, giving about $450 million to Republicans. It is just a fraction of a percent of his near-trillion-dollar net worth.</p><p>Musk’s control over SpaceX, Starlink, X, Tesla and Neuralink, on top of his riches, has given him power over wealth, attention and critical infrastructure that few human beings have ever amassed before. What does he want to do with all this power? What is he trying to buy with his campaign spending? What is the world he wants to build?</p><p>Quinn Slobodian is a professor of international history at Boston University. He’s the author of “<a href="https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674244849" rel="noopener noreferrer">Globalists</a>,” “<a href="https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9781890951917/hayeks-bastards?srsltid=AYCX9vJKfuQMD4MKrXdMrxt_o7f5gQ1BHv5L4M0W_0jhoxDGgR8I_2Xn" rel="noopener noreferrer">Hayek’s Bastards</a>” and, most recently, “<a rel="noopener noreferrer">Muskism: A Guide for the Perplexed</a>,”&nbsp;which he co-wrote with Ben Tarnoff.</p><p><strong>Book Recommendations:</strong></p><p>“<a href="https://wwnorton.com/books/9781324036760" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>Extraction</u></a>” by Thea Riofrancos</p><p>“<a href="https://www.politybooks.com/bookdetail?book_slug=silicon-empires-the-fight-for-the-future-of-ai--9781509550487" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>Silicon Empires</u></a>” by Nick Srnicek</p><p>“<a href="https://www.haymarketbooks.org/books/2858-against-tech-oligarchy" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>Against Tech Oligarchy</u></a>” by JS Tan and Clarissa Redwine</p><p>Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at <a href="mailto:ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com</u></a>.</p><p>You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html</a>&nbsp;</p><p>This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Rollin Hu. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota and Isaac Jones. Our recording engineer is Aman Sahota. Cinematography by Kyle I. Kelley. Video editing by Julian Hackney, Kristen Williamson and Arpita Aneja. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Annie Galvin, Kristin Lin, Emma Kehlbeck, Jack McCordick, Marina King and Jan Kobal. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Shows is Annie-Rose Strasser.</p>
<p><p>Subscribe today at <a href="http://nytimes.com/podcasts">nytimes.com/podcasts</a> or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher">https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher</a>. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.</p></p><br/> <p>Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See <a href="https://pcm.adswizz.com">pcm.adswizz.com</a> for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.</p>]]></description>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahead of the midterm elections, Elon Musk has become the single largest campaign donor in any election cycle, giving about $450 million to Republicans. It is just a fraction of a percent of his near-trillion-dollar net worth.</p><p>Musk’s control over SpaceX, Starlink, X, Tesla and Neuralink, on top of his riches, has given him power over wealth, attention and critical infrastructure that few human beings have ever amassed before. What does he want to do with all this power? What is he trying to buy with his campaign spending? What is the world he wants to build?</p><p>Quinn Slobodian is a professor of international history at Boston University. He’s the author of “<a href="https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674244849" rel="noopener noreferrer">Globalists</a>,” “<a href="https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9781890951917/hayeks-bastards?srsltid=AYCX9vJKfuQMD4MKrXdMrxt_o7f5gQ1BHv5L4M0W_0jhoxDGgR8I_2Xn" rel="noopener noreferrer">Hayek’s Bastards</a>” and, most recently, “<a rel="noopener noreferrer">Muskism: A Guide for the Perplexed</a>,”&nbsp;which he co-wrote with Ben Tarnoff.</p><p><strong>Book Recommendations:</strong></p><p>“<a href="https://wwnorton.com/books/9781324036760" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>Extraction</u></a>” by Thea Riofrancos</p><p>“<a href="https://www.politybooks.com/bookdetail?book_slug=silicon-empires-the-fight-for-the-future-of-ai--9781509550487" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>Silicon Empires</u></a>” by Nick Srnicek</p><p>“<a href="https://www.haymarketbooks.org/books/2858-against-tech-oligarchy" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>Against Tech Oligarchy</u></a>” by JS Tan and Clarissa Redwine</p><p>Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at <a href="mailto:ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com</u></a>.</p><p>You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html</a>&nbsp;</p><p>This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Rollin Hu. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota and Isaac Jones. Our recording engineer is Aman Sahota. Cinematography by Kyle I. Kelley. Video editing by Julian Hackney, Kristen Williamson and Arpita Aneja. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Annie Galvin, Kristin Lin, Emma Kehlbeck, Jack McCordick, Marina King and Jan Kobal. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Shows is Annie-Rose Strasser.</p>
<p><p>Subscribe today at <a href="http://nytimes.com/podcasts">nytimes.com/podcasts</a> or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher">https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher</a>. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.</p></p><br/> <p>Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See <a href="https://pcm.adswizz.com">pcm.adswizz.com</a> for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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      <itunes:summary>Ahead of the midterm elections, Elon Musk has become the single largest campaign donor in any election cycle, giving about $450 million to Republicans. It is just a fraction of a percent of his near-trillion-dollar net worth.

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Quinn Slobodian is a professor of international history at Boston University. He’s the author of “Globalists,” “Hayek’s Bastards” and, most recently, “Muskism: A Guide for the Perplexed,” which he co-wrote with Ben Tarnoff.</itunes:subtitle>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>“If the election goes roughly as the polls say it will go, then in some ways it would mark the end of the Trump era,” Nate Silver told me.</p><p>The midterms are a week away, and it looks entirely possible that Democrats will win not just the House, but also the Senate. Democrats are polling competitively deep into red territory – Texas, Ohio, Alaska, Iowa, Kansas – states that Trump won in 2024 by double digits.</p><p>But Democrats have been burned by big polling misses before. So can we really trust what the polls are telling us? And what stories have emerged in the data that we might see play out on election night?</p><p>Silver is an internationally famous elections nerd, one of the people who made election forecasting a core part of American political discourse. He edits The Silver Bulletin on Substack, co-hosts the podcast “Still Counting” and is the author, most recently, of “On the Edge: The Art of Risking Everything.”</p><p>Mentioned:</p><p><strong>“</strong><a href="https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2026/10/12/data-centres-are-turning-trump-voters-into-democrats?utm_campaign=shared_article" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><strong>Data centres are turning Trump voters into Democrats</strong></a><strong>” by The Economist</strong></p><p><strong>“</strong><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/09/20/upshot/the-error-the-polling-world-rarely-talks-about.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><strong>We Gave Four Good Pollsters the Same Raw Data. They Had Four Different Results.</strong></a><strong>” by Nate Cohn</strong></p><p><strong>“</strong><a href="https://www.natesilver.net/p/nate-silver-2024-president-election-polls-model" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><strong>FINAL Silver Bulletin 2024 presidential election forecast</strong></a><strong>” by Nate Silver and Eli McKown-Dawson</strong></p><p>Book Recommendations:</p><p><a href="https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691175805/the-rise-and-fall-of-american-growth?srsltid=AYCX9vLk8pVudB-5Xstb3-8FyFrMAtiIdkXeuXpQms_Sy__MhTa7j-Ye" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><strong>The Rise and Fall of American Growth</strong></a><strong> by Robert J. Gordon</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.harpercollins.com/products/you-can-just-do-things-cate-hallsasha-chapin?variant=44287888719906" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><strong>You Can Just Do Things</strong></a><strong> by Cate Hall, with Sasha Chapin</strong></p><p><a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780312428426/thebiggestgameintown/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><strong>The Biggest Game in Town</strong></a><strong> by Al Alvarez</strong></p><p>Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.</p><p>You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/column/ezra-klein-podcast" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><strong>nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast</strong></a>, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><strong>https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs</strong></a>.</p><p>This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Jack McCordick. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, Kate Sinclair, Julie Beer and Jordyn Flaherty. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota and Pat McCusker. Our recording engineer is Aman Sahota. Cinematography by Bets Wilkins. Video editing by Arpita Aneja, Mahdokht Mahmoudabadi and Brandon Belk-Yee. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Annie Galvin, Marie Cascione, Kristin Lin, Emma Kehlbeck, Rollin Hu, Marina King and Jan Kobal. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Shows is Annie-Rose Strasser.</p>
<p><p>Subscribe today at <a href="http://nytimes.com/podcasts">nytimes.com/podcasts</a> or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher">https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher</a>. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.</p></p><br/> <p>Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See <a href="https://pcm.adswizz.com">pcm.adswizz.com</a> for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.</p>]]></description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2026 09:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“If the election goes roughly as the polls say it will go, then in some ways it would mark the end of the Trump era,” Nate Silver told me.</p><p>The midterms are a week away, and it looks entirely possible that Democrats will win not just the House, but also the Senate. Democrats are polling competitively deep into red territory – Texas, Ohio, Alaska, Iowa, Kansas – states that Trump won in 2024 by double digits.</p><p>But Democrats have been burned by big polling misses before. So can we really trust what the polls are telling us? And what stories have emerged in the data that we might see play out on election night?</p><p>Silver is an internationally famous elections nerd, one of the people who made election forecasting a core part of American political discourse. He edits The Silver Bulletin on Substack, co-hosts the podcast “Still Counting” and is the author, most recently, of “On the Edge: The Art of Risking Everything.”</p><p>Mentioned:</p><p><strong>“</strong><a href="https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2026/10/12/data-centres-are-turning-trump-voters-into-democrats?utm_campaign=shared_article" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><strong>Data centres are turning Trump voters into Democrats</strong></a><strong>” by The Economist</strong></p><p><strong>“</strong><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/09/20/upshot/the-error-the-polling-world-rarely-talks-about.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><strong>We Gave Four Good Pollsters the Same Raw Data. They Had Four Different Results.</strong></a><strong>” by Nate Cohn</strong></p><p><strong>“</strong><a href="https://www.natesilver.net/p/nate-silver-2024-president-election-polls-model" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><strong>FINAL Silver Bulletin 2024 presidential election forecast</strong></a><strong>” by Nate Silver and Eli McKown-Dawson</strong></p><p>Book Recommendations:</p><p><a href="https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691175805/the-rise-and-fall-of-american-growth?srsltid=AYCX9vLk8pVudB-5Xstb3-8FyFrMAtiIdkXeuXpQms_Sy__MhTa7j-Ye" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><strong>The Rise and Fall of American Growth</strong></a><strong> by Robert J. Gordon</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.harpercollins.com/products/you-can-just-do-things-cate-hallsasha-chapin?variant=44287888719906" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><strong>You Can Just Do Things</strong></a><strong> by Cate Hall, with Sasha Chapin</strong></p><p><a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780312428426/thebiggestgameintown/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><strong>The Biggest Game in Town</strong></a><strong> by Al Alvarez</strong></p><p>Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.</p><p>You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/column/ezra-klein-podcast" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><strong>nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast</strong></a>, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><strong>https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs</strong></a>.</p><p>This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Jack McCordick. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, Kate Sinclair, Julie Beer and Jordyn Flaherty. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota and Pat McCusker. Our recording engineer is Aman Sahota. Cinematography by Bets Wilkins. Video editing by Arpita Aneja, Mahdokht Mahmoudabadi and Brandon Belk-Yee. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Annie Galvin, Marie Cascione, Kristin Lin, Emma Kehlbeck, Rollin Hu, Marina King and Jan Kobal. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Shows is Annie-Rose Strasser.</p>
<p><p>Subscribe today at <a href="http://nytimes.com/podcasts">nytimes.com/podcasts</a> or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher">https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher</a>. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.</p></p><br/> <p>Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See <a href="https://pcm.adswizz.com">pcm.adswizz.com</a> for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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      <itunes:title>Nate Silver Predicts a ‘Momentous’ Midterm</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:summary>“If the election goes roughly as the polls say it will go, then in some ways it would mark the end of the Trump era,” Nate Silver told me.

The midterms are a week away, and it looks entirely possible that Democrats will win not just the House, but also the Senate. Democrats are polling competitively deep into red territory – Texas, Ohio, Alaska, Iowa, Kansas – states that Trump won in 2024 by double digits.

But Democrats have been burned by big polling misses before. So can we really trust what the polls are telling us? And what stories have emerged in the data that we might see play out on election night?

Silver is an internationally famous elections nerd, one of the people who made election forecasting a core part of American political discourse. He edits The Silver Bulletin on Substack, co-hosts the podcast “Still Counting” and is the author, most recently, of “On the Edge: The Art of Risking Everything.”

Mentioned:

“Data centres are turning Trump voters into Democrats” by The Economist

“We Gave Four Good Pollsters the Same Raw Data. They Had Four Different Results.” by Nate Cohn

“FINAL Silver Bulletin 2024 presidential election forecast” by Nate Silver and Eli McKown-Dawson

Book Recommendations:

The Rise and Fall of American Growth by Robert J. Gordon

You Can Just Do Things by Cate Hall, with Sasha Chapin

The Biggest Game in Town by Al Alvarez

Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.

You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.

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      <itunes:subtitle>“If the election goes roughly as the polls say it will go, then in some ways it would mark the end of the Trump era,” Nate Silver told me.

The midterms are a week away, and it looks entirely possible that Democrats will win not just the House, but also the Senate. Democrats are polling competitively deep into red territory – Texas, Ohio, Alaska, Iowa, Kansas – states that Trump won in 2024 by double digits.

But Democrats have been burned by big polling misses before. So can we really trust what the polls are telling us? And what stories have emerged in the data that we might see play out on election night?

Silver is an internationally famous elections nerd, one of the people who made election forecasting a core part of American political discourse. He edits The Silver Bulletin on Substack, co-hosts the podcast “Still Counting” and is the author, most recently, of “On the Edge: The Art of Risking Everything.”

Mentioned:

“Data centres are turning Trump voters into Democrats” by The Economist

“We Gave Four Good Pollsters the Same Raw Data. They Had Four Different Results.” by Nate Cohn

“FINAL Silver Bulletin 2024 presidential election forecast” by Nate Silver and Eli McKown-Dawson

Book Recommendations:

The Rise and Fall of American Growth by Robert J. Gordon

You Can Just Do Things by Cate Hall, with Sasha Chapin

The Biggest Game in Town by Al Alvarez

Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.

You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.

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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Sarah Longwell has probably conducted more focus groups with Trump voters than anyone else in America — hundreds of them, starting in Trump’s first term. So she has a treasure trove of qualitative evidence of how voters have evolved in the Trump era and why many of the president’s voters are souring on him now.</p><p>Trump’s approval rating has plummeted since the start of his second term, especially among the groups that swung toward him in the last election —&nbsp;young, Black and Hispanic voters. But I wanted to have Longwell on the show to hear what these people are really saying. What exactly has disappointed them about Trump’s second term? And what opportunities could that open for Democrats?</p><p>Longwell is a founder and the publisher of The Bulwark, the host of “The Focus Group Podcast” and the author of “<a href="https://static.macmillan.com/static/smp/how-to-eat-an-elephant-9781250464170/" rel="noopener noreferrer">How to Eat an Elephant: One Voter at a Time</a>.”</p><p>Mentioned:</p><p>“<a href="https://www.thebulwark.com/p/trump-voters-explain-ossoffs-appeal" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>Trump Voters Explain Ossoff’s Appeal. And It’s Not What You Think.</u></a>”&nbsp;by Sarah Longwell</p><p>Book Recommendations:</p><p>“<a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374602635/intermezzo/" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>Intermezzo</u></a>” by Sally Rooney</p><p>“<a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/191134/stoner-by-john-williams-introduction-by-john-mcgahern/" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>Stoner</u></a>” by John Williams</p><p>“<a href="https://www.harpercollins.com/products/the-poisonwood-bible-barbara-kingsolver?variant=32115036422178" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>The Poisonwood Bible</u></a>”&nbsp;by Barbara Kingsolver</p><p>Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at <a href="mailto:ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com</u></a>.</p><p>You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html</a>&nbsp;</p><p>This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Annie Galvin and Jack McCordick. Fact-checking by Kelsey Lannin, Michelle Harris and Kate Sinclair. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota and Isaac Jones. Our recording engineer is Aman Sahota. Cinematography by Bets Wilkins. Video editing by Julian Hackney, Britt Shacham Bernstein and Arpita Aneja. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Kristin Lin, Emma Kehlbeck, Rollin Hu, Marina King and Jan Kobal. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Shows is Annie-Rose Strasser. Transcript editing by Sarah Murphy and Marlaine Glicksman.</p>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah Longwell has probably conducted more focus groups with Trump voters than anyone else in America — hundreds of them, starting in Trump’s first term. So she has a treasure trove of qualitative evidence of how voters have evolved in the Trump era and why many of the president’s voters are souring on him now.</p><p>Trump’s approval rating has plummeted since the start of his second term, especially among the groups that swung toward him in the last election —&nbsp;young, Black and Hispanic voters. But I wanted to have Longwell on the show to hear what these people are really saying. What exactly has disappointed them about Trump’s second term? And what opportunities could that open for Democrats?</p><p>Longwell is a founder and the publisher of The Bulwark, the host of “The Focus Group Podcast” and the author of “<a href="https://static.macmillan.com/static/smp/how-to-eat-an-elephant-9781250464170/" rel="noopener noreferrer">How to Eat an Elephant: One Voter at a Time</a>.”</p><p>Mentioned:</p><p>“<a href="https://www.thebulwark.com/p/trump-voters-explain-ossoffs-appeal" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>Trump Voters Explain Ossoff’s Appeal. And It’s Not What You Think.</u></a>”&nbsp;by Sarah Longwell</p><p>Book Recommendations:</p><p>“<a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374602635/intermezzo/" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>Intermezzo</u></a>” by Sally Rooney</p><p>“<a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/191134/stoner-by-john-williams-introduction-by-john-mcgahern/" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>Stoner</u></a>” by John Williams</p><p>“<a href="https://www.harpercollins.com/products/the-poisonwood-bible-barbara-kingsolver?variant=32115036422178" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>The Poisonwood Bible</u></a>”&nbsp;by Barbara Kingsolver</p><p>Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at <a href="mailto:ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com</u></a>.</p><p>You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html</a>&nbsp;</p><p>This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Annie Galvin and Jack McCordick. Fact-checking by Kelsey Lannin, Michelle Harris and Kate Sinclair. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota and Isaac Jones. Our recording engineer is Aman Sahota. Cinematography by Bets Wilkins. Video editing by Julian Hackney, Britt Shacham Bernstein and Arpita Aneja. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Kristin Lin, Emma Kehlbeck, Rollin Hu, Marina King and Jan Kobal. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Shows is Annie-Rose Strasser. Transcript editing by Sarah Murphy and Marlaine Glicksman.</p>
<p><p>Subscribe today at <a href="http://nytimes.com/podcasts">nytimes.com/podcasts</a> or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher">https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher</a>. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.</p></p><br/> <p>Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See <a href="https://pcm.adswizz.com">pcm.adswizz.com</a> for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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Trump’s approval rating has plummeted since the start of his second term, especially among the groups that swung toward him in the last election — young, Black and Hispanic voters. But I wanted to have Longwell on the show to hear what these people are really saying. What exactly has disappointed them about Trump’s second term? And what opportunities could that open for Democrats?

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