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<p>But in our conversation, the vice president seemed buoyant and eager to play the salesman, insisting that the deal is better than the pact President Barack Obama sealed in 2015.</p>
<p>I asked him about his initial opposition to the war, his conflict with the pope and whether his political future is riding on the success of the Iran agreement. We also discussed Vance’s new book, “Communion,” about the vice president’s return to faith, and whether or not the Trump administration’s policies embody Christian values.</p>
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<p><i>(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)</i></p>
<p>Thoughts? Email us at interestingtimes@nytimes.com. Please subscribe to our YouTube Channel, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@InterestingTimesNYT" rel="noopener noreferrer">Interesting Times with Ross Douthat</a>.</p>
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<p>But in our conversation, the vice president seemed buoyant and eager to play the salesman, insisting that the deal is better than the pact President Barack Obama sealed in 2015.</p>
<p>I asked him about his initial opposition to the war, his conflict with the pope and whether his political future is riding on the success of the Iran agreement. We also discussed Vance’s new book, “Communion,” about the vice president’s return to faith, and whether or not the Trump administration’s policies embody Christian values.</p>
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 <li>17:30 - The US - Israel Relationship</li>
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<p><i>(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)</i></p>
<p>Thoughts? Email us at interestingtimes@nytimes.com. Please subscribe to our YouTube Channel, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@InterestingTimesNYT" rel="noopener noreferrer">Interesting Times with Ross Douthat</a>.</p>
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<p>Read the full transcript here: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/11/opinion/better-sex-better-hair-better-sleep-humanmaxxing-is-here.html</p>
<p>Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.</p>
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<p>0:00 - Intro<br>
 01:40 - Investing in longevity, A.I. and psychedelics<br>
 6:06 - The vision for the Enhanced Games<br>
 13:45 - Normalizing enhancements for everyone<br>
 20:02 - Ozempic is the first of many...<br>
 30:00 - The five basics for health and well-being<br>
 36:52 - Psychedelics trips and spiritual revelations<br>
 59:20 - Christian skepticism<br>
 01:04:22 - "Jesus is not human-maxxing."</p>
<p>Thoughts? Email us at interestingtimes@nytimes.com. </p>
<p>Read the full transcript here: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/11/opinion/better-sex-better-hair-better-sleep-humanmaxxing-is-here.html</p>
<p>Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.</p>
<p><blockquote><p>Subscribe today at <a href="http://nytimes.com/podcasts">nytimes.com/podcasts</a> or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher">https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher</a>. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.</p></blockquote></p><br/> <p>Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See <a href="https://pcm.adswizz.com">pcm.adswizz.com</a> for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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 <li>01:31 - Luna's politics: "Conservative with a streak of populism"</li>
 <li>08:07 - From chaos to conservative influencer</li>
 <li>16:17 - Critiquing the ethics of Congress</li>
 <li>24:55 - Presidential ethics and the Epstein files</li>
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 <li>41:02 - The "mosaic" around the J.F.K. assassination</li>
 <li>47:50 - U.A.P. evidence</li>
 <li>54:30 - Whistleblower retribution and protections</li>
 <li>57:57 - Secret programs: "A stronger dose of strangeness"</li>
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<p><i>(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)</i></p>
<p>Thoughts? Email us at interestingtimes@nytimes.com. Please subscribe to our YouTube Channel, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@InterestingTimesNYT" rel="noopener noreferrer">Interesting Times with Ross Douthat</a>.</p>
<p><blockquote><p>Subscribe today at <a href="http://nytimes.com/podcasts">nytimes.com/podcasts</a> or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher">https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher</a>. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.</p></blockquote></p><br/> <p>Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See <a href="https://pcm.adswizz.com">pcm.adswizz.com</a> for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.</p>]]></description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 5 Jun 2026 09:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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 <li>08:07 - From chaos to conservative influencer</li>
 <li>16:17 - Critiquing the ethics of Congress</li>
 <li>24:55 - Presidential ethics and the Epstein files</li>
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 <li>41:02 - The "mosaic" around the J.F.K. assassination</li>
 <li>47:50 - U.A.P. evidence</li>
 <li>54:30 - Whistleblower retribution and protections</li>
 <li>57:57 - Secret programs: "A stronger dose of strangeness"</li>
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<p><i>(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)</i></p>
<p>Thoughts? Email us at interestingtimes@nytimes.com. Please subscribe to our YouTube Channel, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@InterestingTimesNYT" rel="noopener noreferrer">Interesting Times with Ross Douthat</a>.</p>
<p><blockquote><p>Subscribe today at <a href="http://nytimes.com/podcasts">nytimes.com/podcasts</a> or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher">https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher</a>. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.</p></blockquote></p><br/> <p>Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See <a href="https://pcm.adswizz.com">pcm.adswizz.com</a> for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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<p><blockquote><p>Subscribe today at <a href="http://nytimes.com/podcasts">nytimes.com/podcasts</a> or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher">https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher</a>. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.</p></blockquote></p><br/> <p>Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See <a href="https://pcm.adswizz.com">pcm.adswizz.com</a> for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.</p>]]></description>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There’s a saying that comes to mind these days: May you live in interesting times. It’s understood to be a curse, even though it sounds like a blessing.</p><p>“Interesting Times With Ross Douthat” is a new weekly podcast from New York Times Opinion. Every Thursday, he will map the new world order through interviews and conversations. Answering questions like: What does our new political era really look like? What is the future of democracy around the world, with American empire in retreat? What happens to movies and books — all of culture — in our digital and A.I.-dominated age?</p><p>Thoughts? Email us at interestingtimes@nytimes.com.</p>
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