https://simplecast.com Two Types of People with Pat Sitkins Hosted by bestselling author and serial entrepreneur Pat Sitkins, Two Types of People explores the mindsets, moments, and mechanics behind extraordinary lives. In each episode, high-performers across industries answer the deceptively simple question: What are the two types of people in this world? Their answers unlock powerful stories—about grit, growth, loss, purpose, and the patterns that shape our identity. TToP is part framework, part philosophy, and fully human. It’s not about right or wrong—it’s about how you see the world, and what that reveals about you. From athletes and artists to CEOs and creators, these conversations challenge you to reflect, remember, and maybe even rewire how you move through life. 2025 - 2035 Pat Sitkins en Mon, 14 Sep 2026 11:00:00 +0000 Mon, 14 Sep 2026 14:56:51 +0000 https://thedeterminedsociety.com/pat-sitkins/ Two Types of People with Pat Sitkins https://image.simplecastcdn.com/images/ed465cd2-fe69-47d7-aea4-6183e0427783/8569defe-0573-429f-8681-06f81549ff3a/3000x3000/show_cover_for_streaming.jpg?aid=rss_feed https://thedeterminedsociety.com/pat-sitkins/ episodic Hosted by bestselling author and serial entrepreneur Pat Sitkins, Two Types of People explores the mindsets, moments, and mechanics behind extraordinary lives. In each episode, high-performers across industries answer the deceptively simple question: What are the two types of people in this world? Their answers unlock powerful stories—about grit, growth, loss, purpose, and the patterns that shape our identity. TToP is part framework, part philosophy, and fully human. It’s not about right or wrong—it’s about how you see the world, and what that reveals about you. From athletes and artists to CEOs and creators, these conversations challenge you to reflect, remember, and maybe even rewire how you move through life. Pat Sitkins false https://feeds.simplecast.com/_nZ9Hgxr Pat Sitkins pat@adaptivejax.com 018dc747-caf3-4c0c-a638-05ba5f33332b Inside the New Era of LSU Athletics | Verge Ausberry Verge Ausberry has spent virtually his entire adult life at LSU.

He arrived in Baton Rouge as a linebacker in 1985, became a three-year starter, won two SEC championships and eventually returned to the university to begin a career that has taken him through nearly every level of LSU Athletics. Today, he's the Vice President / Director of Athletics. And he's helping lead LSU into one of the most interesting periods in the school's athletic history. Ausberry led the coaching search that brought Lane Kiffin to Baton Rouge and brought Will Wade back to lead LSU men's basketball. Years earlier, he was also instrumental in the search that landed Jay Johnson, who has since won two national championships at LSU.

But Verge's story isn't just about coaching searches and the SEC. It's about what he's learned watching winning organizations operate from almost every possible seat. He talks with host Pat Sitkins about working alongside leaders like Skip Bertman and Nick Saban, navigating 9/11 and Hurricane Katrina from inside an athletic department, and watching college athletics transform through NIL, revenue sharing and the rapidly changing economics of the sport.

Through all of it, one idea keeps coming back: Alignment.

Great talent isn't enough. Verge talks about why LSU isn't for everybody, why the right fit matters as much as the résumé and why everyone from the athletic director to the coaches to the athletes has to understand what those three letters on the uniform represent. That philosophy extends beyond the field. While much of college athletics initially resisted NIL and revenue sharing, Verge explains why LSU chose to embrace the change. Instead of protecting the old model, the university began asking how it could use its enormous platform to build athletes' individual brands alongside LSU's own.

His attitude toward change is simple: yesterday's problem is already yesterday.

What's next?

It's a philosophy that has become particularly relevant as Ausberry takes over the department. In a matter of months, LSU has made enormous decisions about football and basketball while continuing to invest in championship programs across the university. But some of the best moments in the conversation have nothing to do with wins. Verge talks about opening Tiger Stadium to families visiting campus, helping a grieving fan hold onto the seven Saturdays a year that still gave him connection, and why the people working inside college athletics sometimes forget what sports actually mean to the people watching them. He also talks candidly about his own evolution.

The former middle linebacker still describes himself as aggressive. He wants to compete. He wants to win. But decades of leadership have also taught him the importance of compassion, family, empathy and taking care of the people around him.That's where his answer to Two Types of People ultimately lands.

Aggression and compassion.

Two sides of the same leader. And at a moment when LSU Athletics is once again changing quickly, Verge Ausberry is sitting in the chair responsible for helping determine what comes next.

 

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Mon, 14 Sep 2026 11:00:00 +0000 pat@adaptivejax.com (Verge Ausberry) https://thedeterminedsociety.com/pat-sitkins/ Verge Ausberry has spent virtually his entire adult life at LSU.

He arrived in Baton Rouge as a linebacker in 1985, became a three-year starter, won two SEC championships and eventually returned to the university to begin a career that has taken him through nearly every level of LSU Athletics. Today, he's the Vice President / Director of Athletics. And he's helping lead LSU into one of the most interesting periods in the school's athletic history. Ausberry led the coaching search that brought Lane Kiffin to Baton Rouge and brought Will Wade back to lead LSU men's basketball. Years earlier, he was also instrumental in the search that landed Jay Johnson, who has since won two national championships at LSU.

But Verge's story isn't just about coaching searches and the SEC. It's about what he's learned watching winning organizations operate from almost every possible seat. He talks with host Pat Sitkins about working alongside leaders like Skip Bertman and Nick Saban, navigating 9/11 and Hurricane Katrina from inside an athletic department, and watching college athletics transform through NIL, revenue sharing and the rapidly changing economics of the sport.

Through all of it, one idea keeps coming back: Alignment.

Great talent isn't enough. Verge talks about why LSU isn't for everybody, why the right fit matters as much as the résumé and why everyone from the athletic director to the coaches to the athletes has to understand what those three letters on the uniform represent. That philosophy extends beyond the field. While much of college athletics initially resisted NIL and revenue sharing, Verge explains why LSU chose to embrace the change. Instead of protecting the old model, the university began asking how it could use its enormous platform to build athletes' individual brands alongside LSU's own.

His attitude toward change is simple: yesterday's problem is already yesterday.

What's next?

It's a philosophy that has become particularly relevant as Ausberry takes over the department. In a matter of months, LSU has made enormous decisions about football and basketball while continuing to invest in championship programs across the university. But some of the best moments in the conversation have nothing to do with wins. Verge talks about opening Tiger Stadium to families visiting campus, helping a grieving fan hold onto the seven Saturdays a year that still gave him connection, and why the people working inside college athletics sometimes forget what sports actually mean to the people watching them. He also talks candidly about his own evolution.

The former middle linebacker still describes himself as aggressive. He wants to compete. He wants to win. But decades of leadership have also taught him the importance of compassion, family, empathy and taking care of the people around him.That's where his answer to Two Types of People ultimately lands.

Aggression and compassion.

Two sides of the same leader. And at a moment when LSU Athletics is once again changing quickly, Verge Ausberry is sitting in the chair responsible for helping determine what comes next.

 

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Inside the New Era of LSU Athletics | Verge Ausberry Verge Ausberry 00:58:59 Lane Kiffin has arrived. Will Wade is back. And LSU Athletics is entering a fascinating new era. LSU's Vice President / Director of Athletics, Verge Ausberry joins Pat Sitkins on "Two Types of People" to talk about building championship programs, finding the right coaches and athletes, navigating NIL and revenue sharing, protecting one of the biggest brands in college sports, and what four decades at Louisiana State University have taught him about leadership. Recorded just before the 2026 Football Season, this is a look inside the mindset of the man now leading LSU Athletics. Lane Kiffin has arrived. Will Wade is back. And LSU Athletics is entering a fascinating new era. LSU's Vice President / Director of Athletics, Verge Ausberry joins Pat Sitkins on "Two Types of People" to talk about building championship programs, finding the right coaches and athletes, navigating NIL and revenue sharing, protecting one of the biggest brands in college sports, and what four decades at Louisiana State University have taught him about leadership. Recorded just before the 2026 Football Season, this is a look inside the mindset of the man now leading LSU Athletics. lsu, lane kiffin, verge ausberry, lsu football, sec football, lsu athletic director false full 24 0f6ffafc-9cc7-4122-9931-ba6077edb818 More Than One Play | Brandon Bostick on Failure, Identity & Starting Again Brandon Bostick knows what it's like to have millions of people associate your name with one moment.

An undrafted player out of Division II Newberry College, Brandon earned his way into the NFL and spent five seasons in the league, including three with the Green Bay Packers. The 2014 NFC Championship Game in Seattle and an onside kick that changed the trajectory of his life. Most people know that part. This conversation is about everything that followed.

Brandon takes us inside the moment itself, including something rarely discussed when we watch professional sports: what it actually feels like to make a mistake on one of the biggest stages in the world and then have to stand in front of reporters and answer for it minutes later. He also talks candidly about what came afterward. Brandon continued playing football, but underneath it was depression, anxiety and an identity increasingly tied to what had happened. Years later, when life finally became quiet enough for him to confront it, he sought healing and began rebuilding himself. That process eventually led him somewhere unexpected: back to football.

Today, Brandon is coaching at the University of Minnesota, working with young athletes from a perspective he didn't have when he was one of them. He talks about breathing, mindset, therapy, communication, spirituality and developing the entire person rather than simply building a better football player. We also get into the strange relationship high performers can have with accomplishment. Brandon went from an undrafted Division II player to a five-year NFL career, yet says he rarely stopped long enough to realize he had actually achieved the dream he'd carried since childhood.

His Two Types of People? Talkers and Doers.

People who talk about what they're going to do, and people who do the things they talk about. Maybe there is no better example than Brandon himself. The kid who had to write a letter asking for an opportunity to attend college eventually made the NFL. The player whose football identity was shattered eventually returned to the game as a coach. And the man once known by millions for one mistake now gets to use everything that followed it to help prepare the next generation.

We talk about:

  • Going undrafted and learning how to become an NFL player
  • The mentors who appeared at different stages of Brandon's life
  • Driving from Green Bay to Chicago during training camp to see Eric Thomas
  • Competition versus camaraderie inside an NFL locker room
  • What really happened during the NFC Championship Game in Seattle
  • Facing the media immediately afterward
  • Carrying the emotional weight of the play for years
  • Depression, anxiety and finally asking for help
  • Separating identity from the uniform
  • Returning to college to finish his degree
  • Starting over as a volunteer coach
  • His path to the University of Minnesota
  • Why today's Brandon trains his mind as intentionally as he once trained his body
  • Teaching players breathing and self-talk during practice
  • Why he asks his athletes, "What are you going to get better at today?"
  • His Two Types: Talkers and Doers
  • The spiritual necklace that keeps him grounded
  • Why "Free Mind" by Tems is now his walk-up song

This is not an episode about forgetting what happened. It's about discovering how much life can exist on the other side of it.

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Mon, 17 Aug 2026 14:51:10 +0000 pat@adaptivejax.com (Pat Sitkins) https://thedeterminedsociety.com/pat-sitkins/ Brandon Bostick knows what it's like to have millions of people associate your name with one moment.

An undrafted player out of Division II Newberry College, Brandon earned his way into the NFL and spent five seasons in the league, including three with the Green Bay Packers. The 2014 NFC Championship Game in Seattle and an onside kick that changed the trajectory of his life. Most people know that part. This conversation is about everything that followed.

Brandon takes us inside the moment itself, including something rarely discussed when we watch professional sports: what it actually feels like to make a mistake on one of the biggest stages in the world and then have to stand in front of reporters and answer for it minutes later. He also talks candidly about what came afterward. Brandon continued playing football, but underneath it was depression, anxiety and an identity increasingly tied to what had happened. Years later, when life finally became quiet enough for him to confront it, he sought healing and began rebuilding himself. That process eventually led him somewhere unexpected: back to football.

Today, Brandon is coaching at the University of Minnesota, working with young athletes from a perspective he didn't have when he was one of them. He talks about breathing, mindset, therapy, communication, spirituality and developing the entire person rather than simply building a better football player. We also get into the strange relationship high performers can have with accomplishment. Brandon went from an undrafted Division II player to a five-year NFL career, yet says he rarely stopped long enough to realize he had actually achieved the dream he'd carried since childhood.

His Two Types of People? Talkers and Doers.

People who talk about what they're going to do, and people who do the things they talk about. Maybe there is no better example than Brandon himself. The kid who had to write a letter asking for an opportunity to attend college eventually made the NFL. The player whose football identity was shattered eventually returned to the game as a coach. And the man once known by millions for one mistake now gets to use everything that followed it to help prepare the next generation.

We talk about:

  • Going undrafted and learning how to become an NFL player
  • The mentors who appeared at different stages of Brandon's life
  • Driving from Green Bay to Chicago during training camp to see Eric Thomas
  • Competition versus camaraderie inside an NFL locker room
  • What really happened during the NFC Championship Game in Seattle
  • Facing the media immediately afterward
  • Carrying the emotional weight of the play for years
  • Depression, anxiety and finally asking for help
  • Separating identity from the uniform
  • Returning to college to finish his degree
  • Starting over as a volunteer coach
  • His path to the University of Minnesota
  • Why today's Brandon trains his mind as intentionally as he once trained his body
  • Teaching players breathing and self-talk during practice
  • Why he asks his athletes, "What are you going to get better at today?"
  • His Two Types: Talkers and Doers
  • The spiritual necklace that keeps him grounded
  • Why "Free Mind" by Tems is now his walk-up song

This is not an episode about forgetting what happened. It's about discovering how much life can exist on the other side of it.

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> More Than One Play | Brandon Bostick on Failure, Identity & Starting Again Pat Sitkins 01:08:29 One play in the 2014 NFC Championship Game followed Brandon Bostick long after he left Green Bay. But the story most people know is only the beginning. Brandon joins Pat Sitkins on Two Types of People to talk candidly about the NFL, public failure, depression, identity, rebuilding his life, and eventually returning to football as a coach at the University of Minnesota. This isn't a story about a mistake. It's about the person who had to live, grow, and find purpose after it. One play in the 2014 NFC Championship Game followed Brandon Bostick long after he left Green Bay. But the story most people know is only the beginning. Brandon joins Pat Sitkins on Two Types of People to talk candidly about the NFL, public failure, depression, identity, rebuilding his life, and eventually returning to football as a coach at the University of Minnesota. This isn't a story about a mistake. It's about the person who had to live, grow, and find purpose after it. false full 23 8027b378-717e-45c1-8fc8-1ac6996d884c Bitter or Better? Rachel Joy Baribeau on Turning Pain into Purpose Rachel Joy Baribeau spent 17 years breaking barriers in sports media, becoming one of the first female hosts on SiriusXM College Sports, one of the few women to vote for the Heisman Trophy, and the only known female sportscaster to complete a professional football training camp. She eventually walked away from that career to launch I'm Changing the Narrative, a movement focused on mental health, purpose, and helping people find hope in life's hardest moments.

Then life changed. She lost both of her parents. She lost her home. She went bankrupt during COVID after an entire year of speaking engagements disappeared in just weeks.

Instead of letting those experiences define her, she asked a different question. Will this make me bitter... or better? That answer became her Two Types of People.

Along the way, we explore some of the most personal and practical ideas we've discussed on the show:

  • Why pain can become purpose if you're willing to let it.
  • The difference between surviving and truly healing.
  • Rachel's concept of the "Messy Middle" and why so many of us are living there right now.
  • The danger of isolation and why community matters.
  • The mirror exercise that has transformed athletes, executives, and teams across the country.
  • Why hustle culture eventually gave way to what Rachel calls a softer, more peaceful life.
  • How bitterness quietly grows, and how gratitude interrupts it.
  • The story behind I'm Changing the Narrative, now impacting athletes, schools, prisons, corporations, and communities nationwide.

This episode is full of hope. Not because life gets easier. Because Rachel reminds us that our hardest seasons don't have to become our permanent identity. Sometimes the most important decision we'll ever make is deciding what our pain will produce.

This is a very special episode for me in many ways, and I know this will speak to your soul. 

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Mon, 3 Aug 2026 08:00:00 +0000 pat@adaptivejax.com (Rachel Baribeau) https://thedeterminedsociety.com/pat-sitkins/ Rachel Joy Baribeau spent 17 years breaking barriers in sports media, becoming one of the first female hosts on SiriusXM College Sports, one of the few women to vote for the Heisman Trophy, and the only known female sportscaster to complete a professional football training camp. She eventually walked away from that career to launch I'm Changing the Narrative, a movement focused on mental health, purpose, and helping people find hope in life's hardest moments.

Then life changed. She lost both of her parents. She lost her home. She went bankrupt during COVID after an entire year of speaking engagements disappeared in just weeks.

Instead of letting those experiences define her, she asked a different question. Will this make me bitter... or better? That answer became her Two Types of People.

Along the way, we explore some of the most personal and practical ideas we've discussed on the show:

  • Why pain can become purpose if you're willing to let it.
  • The difference between surviving and truly healing.
  • Rachel's concept of the "Messy Middle" and why so many of us are living there right now.
  • The danger of isolation and why community matters.
  • The mirror exercise that has transformed athletes, executives, and teams across the country.
  • Why hustle culture eventually gave way to what Rachel calls a softer, more peaceful life.
  • How bitterness quietly grows, and how gratitude interrupts it.
  • The story behind I'm Changing the Narrative, now impacting athletes, schools, prisons, corporations, and communities nationwide.

This episode is full of hope. Not because life gets easier. Because Rachel reminds us that our hardest seasons don't have to become our permanent identity. Sometimes the most important decision we'll ever make is deciding what our pain will produce.

This is a very special episode for me in many ways, and I know this will speak to your soul. 

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Bitter or Better? Rachel Joy Baribeau on Turning Pain into Purpose Rachel Baribeau 00:42:59 Rachel Joy Baribeau shares the deeply personal story behind her "Two Types of People", how grief, financial loss, faith, and purpose shaped her life, and why every one of us eventually faces the same choice: become bitter... or become better. A discussion with a nod to Chapter 5 in the book. "Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow" available everywhere August 4, 2026! Rachel Joy Baribeau shares the deeply personal story behind her "Two Types of People", how grief, financial loss, faith, and purpose shaped her life, and why every one of us eventually faces the same choice: become bitter... or become better. A discussion with a nod to Chapter 5 in the book. "Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow" available everywhere August 4, 2026! two types of people, rachel baribeau, nfl, i'm changing the narrative, pat sitkins, authors, rachel joy baribeau false full 22 31dc0d1e-9f22-48b0-ae09-d61d336013c3 The Amazing Race Changed His Life. It Didn’t Define It. | Chris Luca Before Alex Boylan became the television host, producer and Chapter One contributor in Two Types of People, he was one half of an unlikely pair of childhood friends racing around the globe for $1 million.

The other half was this week’s guest, Chris Luca.

Chris and Alex had been friends since they were four years old. After college, neither was quite ready to commit to a conventional career. They worked together at a summer camp, backpacked through Europe and kept finding ways to delay the question every young adult eventually faces: What now?

Then Alex found a strange online casting notice for a reality show almost no one had heard of.

Chris agreed to apply under one condition: Alex had to complete the application for him.

That decision eventually placed them in Los Angeles for final casting on September 10, 2001. The following morning, they woke up in their hotel room and watched the September 11 attacks unfold. Production stopped. The future of the show became uncertain. Chris and Alex returned to Jacksonville, took jobs at TPC Sawgrass and waited nearly six months for the call that would change their lives.

When it finally came, they were ready.

Chris takes host Pat Sitkins inside the parts of The Amazing Race viewers never saw: the sleepless nights, the physical exhaustion, the near-missed flights, the strange casting process and the promise he and Alex made before the race began. They would never quit. Someone would have to physically remove them from the course. That promise helped carry them through 44 days of discomfort, chaos and relentless uncertainty, culminating in one of the closest finishes reality television has ever seen.

Winning gave Chris opportunities, money, and a brief taste of celebrity. It also helped him understand what he did not want. While Alex was made for Los Angeles and television, Chris eventually returned to Jacksonville, invested in real estate and built a construction career that has now lasted more than two decades. Today, he is the owner and founder of Call Construction, a Northeast Florida luxury remodeling and custom-home company.

His answer to Pat’s defining question ties the entire story together.

There are two types of people in this world: dwellers and forward thinkers.

The dweller remembers, studies and plans, but can become trapped by the past. The forward thinker takes action and accepts risk, but can move so quickly that they fail to learn from what came before.

Chris believes we need both. Growth does not require erasing the person you were. It requires taking the best of your past with you as you move forward.

Inside the Conversation

  • How Chris Luca and Alex Boylan became friends at four years old
  • The online popup that started their Amazing Race journey
  • Receiving the CBS callback while backpacking in the Swiss Alps
  • Arriving in Los Angeles for final casting on September 10, 2001
  • How September 11 delayed and reshaped the entire season
  • Moving to Jacksonville and waiting six months for production to resume
  • The promise that Chris and Alex would never voluntarily quit
  • What the cameras did not show about exhaustion and discomfort
  • Nearly missing a flight just to get another passport stamp
  • Becoming one of the biggest reality television teams in the world
  • Why Chris gave Los Angeles a chance, then chose to leave
  • Turning his winnings into real estate and a 20-year construction career
  • His grandfather’s hammer and the passport he carried around the world
  • Why his friendship with Alex means even more today
  • The difference between dwelling on the past and learning from it
  • Why every forward thinker needs someone willing to slow them down
  • How small, consistent growth can pull someone out of ‘stuck’

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2026 08:00:00 +0000 pat@adaptivejax.com (Chris Luca) https://thedeterminedsociety.com/pat-sitkins/ Before Alex Boylan became the television host, producer and Chapter One contributor in Two Types of People, he was one half of an unlikely pair of childhood friends racing around the globe for $1 million.

The other half was this week’s guest, Chris Luca.

Chris and Alex had been friends since they were four years old. After college, neither was quite ready to commit to a conventional career. They worked together at a summer camp, backpacked through Europe and kept finding ways to delay the question every young adult eventually faces: What now?

Then Alex found a strange online casting notice for a reality show almost no one had heard of.

Chris agreed to apply under one condition: Alex had to complete the application for him.

That decision eventually placed them in Los Angeles for final casting on September 10, 2001. The following morning, they woke up in their hotel room and watched the September 11 attacks unfold. Production stopped. The future of the show became uncertain. Chris and Alex returned to Jacksonville, took jobs at TPC Sawgrass and waited nearly six months for the call that would change their lives.

When it finally came, they were ready.

Chris takes host Pat Sitkins inside the parts of The Amazing Race viewers never saw: the sleepless nights, the physical exhaustion, the near-missed flights, the strange casting process and the promise he and Alex made before the race began. They would never quit. Someone would have to physically remove them from the course. That promise helped carry them through 44 days of discomfort, chaos and relentless uncertainty, culminating in one of the closest finishes reality television has ever seen.

Winning gave Chris opportunities, money, and a brief taste of celebrity. It also helped him understand what he did not want. While Alex was made for Los Angeles and television, Chris eventually returned to Jacksonville, invested in real estate and built a construction career that has now lasted more than two decades. Today, he is the owner and founder of Call Construction, a Northeast Florida luxury remodeling and custom-home company.

His answer to Pat’s defining question ties the entire story together.

There are two types of people in this world: dwellers and forward thinkers.

The dweller remembers, studies and plans, but can become trapped by the past. The forward thinker takes action and accepts risk, but can move so quickly that they fail to learn from what came before.

Chris believes we need both. Growth does not require erasing the person you were. It requires taking the best of your past with you as you move forward.

Inside the Conversation

  • How Chris Luca and Alex Boylan became friends at four years old
  • The online popup that started their Amazing Race journey
  • Receiving the CBS callback while backpacking in the Swiss Alps
  • Arriving in Los Angeles for final casting on September 10, 2001
  • How September 11 delayed and reshaped the entire season
  • Moving to Jacksonville and waiting six months for production to resume
  • The promise that Chris and Alex would never voluntarily quit
  • What the cameras did not show about exhaustion and discomfort
  • Nearly missing a flight just to get another passport stamp
  • Becoming one of the biggest reality television teams in the world
  • Why Chris gave Los Angeles a chance, then chose to leave
  • Turning his winnings into real estate and a 20-year construction career
  • His grandfather’s hammer and the passport he carried around the world
  • Why his friendship with Alex means even more today
  • The difference between dwelling on the past and learning from it
  • Why every forward thinker needs someone willing to slow them down
  • How small, consistent growth can pull someone out of ‘stuck’

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> The Amazing Race Changed His Life. It Didn’t Define It. | Chris Luca Chris Luca 00:52:52 Chris Luca and Alex Boylan won The Amazing Race 2 in what is still the closest finish in reality television history. But while Alex built a career in television & entertainment, Chris chose a different path. Almost 25 years later, Chris tells the untold story of how they were cast, nearly missed their chance, traveled the world in the shadow of September 11, and made the promise that carried them to the finish line. He also explains why there are two types of people in this world: dwellers and forward thinkers. Chris Luca and Alex Boylan won The Amazing Race 2 in what is still the closest finish in reality television history. But while Alex built a career in television & entertainment, Chris chose a different path. Almost 25 years later, Chris tells the untold story of how they were cast, nearly missed their chance, traveled the world in the shadow of September 11, and made the promise that carried them to the finish line. He also explains why there are two types of people in this world: dwellers and forward thinkers. two types of people, alex boylan, pat sitkins, amazing race, reality television, chris luca false full 21 990fa722-12b6-404e-9df3-46919556e056 Wired for Greatness | Dr. Kevin Elko & Mitch Covington Dr. Kevin Elko has 39 Championship Rings, earned with Nick Saban, the Pittsburgh Steelers, Philadelphia Eagles, and countless elite athletes. Joined by Monster Energy Senior VP of Sports Mitch Covington, this conversation explores anti-fragility, self-talk, leadership, and the mindset behind sustained greatness.

Dr. Kevin Elko has spent decades helping build championship cultures, collecting 39 championship rings while working with organizations like the Pittsburgh Steelers, Alabama Football, the Philadelphia Eagles, the University of Miami, and athletes including Jalen Hurts, Josh Allen, and Rob Gronkowski. Alongside him is Monster Energy Senior Vice President of Sports Mitch Covington, whose career has helped shape one of the most recognizable brands in sports while working with world champions across motocross, Formula 1, NASCAR, UFC, snowboarding, and beyond.

This conversation isn't about motivation. It's about wiring. And winning.

Kevin and Mitch unpack the ideas that have followed them through decades of coaching elite performers. They introduce the concept of anti-fragility. Not simply bouncing back after adversity, but becoming better because of it. They explain why the conversation you have with yourself matters more than the one you're having with anyone else, why success can quietly create failure, and why identity often determines performance long before talent does.

Along the way, they share stories from Nick Saban's Alabama dynasty, the Philadelphia Eagles' Super Bowl run, working with Rob Gronkowski, Jalen Hurts, Monster Energy athletes, and even the recent UFC event at the White House. Yet the conversation keeps returning to the same question. How do you become the kind of person who continues to grow when life gets difficult?

Some of the biggest ideas from this episode include:

• Why resilience isn't enough and what it means to become anti-fragile

• The difference between being inspired and being wired

• Why Kevin believes self-talk is the foundation of performance

• Nick Saban's approach to evaluating attitude before talent

• The Lion vs. Greyhound analogy that has become one of Kevin's signature frameworks

• How Rob Gronkowski used Kevin's "earworms" before every playoff game during Tampa Bay's Super Bowl run

• Why success can become dangerous if you're not paying attention

• The role identity plays in confidence, leadership, and sustained excellence

Whether you're leading a company, coaching a team, building a career, or simply trying to become a little better than you were yesterday, this episode offers a fascinating look inside the mental frameworks that continue to show up at the highest levels of performance.

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Mon, 13 Jul 2026 06:00:00 +0000 pat@adaptivejax.com (Dr. Kevin Elko, Mitch Covington) https://thedeterminedsociety.com/pat-sitkins/ Dr. Kevin Elko has 39 Championship Rings, earned with Nick Saban, the Pittsburgh Steelers, Philadelphia Eagles, and countless elite athletes. Joined by Monster Energy Senior VP of Sports Mitch Covington, this conversation explores anti-fragility, self-talk, leadership, and the mindset behind sustained greatness.

Dr. Kevin Elko has spent decades helping build championship cultures, collecting 39 championship rings while working with organizations like the Pittsburgh Steelers, Alabama Football, the Philadelphia Eagles, the University of Miami, and athletes including Jalen Hurts, Josh Allen, and Rob Gronkowski. Alongside him is Monster Energy Senior Vice President of Sports Mitch Covington, whose career has helped shape one of the most recognizable brands in sports while working with world champions across motocross, Formula 1, NASCAR, UFC, snowboarding, and beyond.

This conversation isn't about motivation. It's about wiring. And winning.

Kevin and Mitch unpack the ideas that have followed them through decades of coaching elite performers. They introduce the concept of anti-fragility. Not simply bouncing back after adversity, but becoming better because of it. They explain why the conversation you have with yourself matters more than the one you're having with anyone else, why success can quietly create failure, and why identity often determines performance long before talent does.

Along the way, they share stories from Nick Saban's Alabama dynasty, the Philadelphia Eagles' Super Bowl run, working with Rob Gronkowski, Jalen Hurts, Monster Energy athletes, and even the recent UFC event at the White House. Yet the conversation keeps returning to the same question. How do you become the kind of person who continues to grow when life gets difficult?

Some of the biggest ideas from this episode include:

• Why resilience isn't enough and what it means to become anti-fragile

• The difference between being inspired and being wired

• Why Kevin believes self-talk is the foundation of performance

• Nick Saban's approach to evaluating attitude before talent

• The Lion vs. Greyhound analogy that has become one of Kevin's signature frameworks

• How Rob Gronkowski used Kevin's "earworms" before every playoff game during Tampa Bay's Super Bowl run

• Why success can become dangerous if you're not paying attention

• The role identity plays in confidence, leadership, and sustained excellence

Whether you're leading a company, coaching a team, building a career, or simply trying to become a little better than you were yesterday, this episode offers a fascinating look inside the mental frameworks that continue to show up at the highest levels of performance.

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Wired for Greatness | Dr. Kevin Elko & Mitch Covington Dr. Kevin Elko, Mitch Covington 00:47:15 Dr. Kevin Elko has helped shape championship teams with Nick Saban, the Pittsburgh Steelers, Philadelphia Eagles, and countless elite athletes. Joined by Monster Energy Senior VP of Sports Mitch Covington, this conversation explores anti-fragility, self-talk, leadership, and the mindset behind sustained greatness. Dr. Kevin Elko has helped shape championship teams with Nick Saban, the Pittsburgh Steelers, Philadelphia Eagles, and countless elite athletes. Joined by Monster Energy Senior VP of Sports Mitch Covington, this conversation explores anti-fragility, self-talk, leadership, and the mindset behind sustained greatness. two types of people, nick saban, university of miami, mitch covington, resilience, jalen hurts, anti-fragility, mental performance, monster energy, ufc, dr. kevin elko, pat sitkins., mindset, motivation, leadership, championship mindset, rob gronkowski, alabama football, sports psychology, self-talk, pittsburgh steelers, philadelphia eagles, white house ufc false full 20 3f5d9c98-3faf-4a0a-85ee-e6f0ca99bd90 The Emmy-Winning Producer Behind Steve Harvey, Rachel Ray, and more | Shane Farley What separates people who dream from people who actually build extraordinary lives?

After producing thousands of hours of television and working alongside some of the biggest names in entertainment, four-time Emmy Award-winning producer Shane Farley has developed a unique perspective on that question.

Throughout his career, Shane has helped shape hit shows including Steve Harvey, The Voice, The Rachel Ray Show, The Wayne Brady Show, The Rosie O’Donnell Show, and many more. His job has never simply been producing television. It's been recognizing what resonates.

One story continues to stand out.

When Shane met Alex Boylan after his Amazing Race win, he assumed he'd follow the same path as everyone else trying to stay in television. He didn’t. Instead of waiting for opportunities, Alex started at the bottom, logging tapes at a production company, slowly building the career that would eventually lead to DreamJobbing, The College Tour, and becoming one of the most respected creators in educational television.

Shane's Two Types of People:

Dreamers. And dreamers who do.

That single observation becomes the foundation for a conversation about execution, confidence, storytelling, branding, reinvention, and why the people who accomplish remarkable things usually aren't the loudest people in the room.

Along the way, Shane shares:

  • Why Alex Boylan has always stood apart
  • The persistence that landed him the Steve Harvey Show when he wasn't supposed to get the job
  • What separates stories that resonate from those that disappear
  • The surprising lesson he learned after teaching himself skills he once believed he could never master
  • Why packing an Emmy into a moving box became one of the defining moments of his career
  • His Hall of Fame Relic and the story behind it
  • Why Frank Sinatra's "That's Life" has become the soundtrack to three decades in television

Whether you're building a business, leading a team, creating content, or simply trying to turn ideas into action, this conversation is a reminder that remarkable careers are rarely built by dreaming alone.

CHAPTERS

  • Storytelling through every era of television
  • Dreamers vs. Doers
  • Why Alex Boylan was different
  • DreamJobbing and The College Tour
  • Landing the Steve Harvey Show
  • What makes someone unforgettable
  • Hall of Fame Relic
  • Walk-Up Song: "That's Life"
  • The belief Shane changed his mind on
  • The Marina del Rey story

QUOTABLE MOMENTS

"Alex is equal parts dreamer and doer."

"Everybody says they want it. Very few actually do it."

"There was no way I was getting that job... but I knew I was getting that job."

"I was packing an Emmy because the show had just been canceled."

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Mon, 6 Jul 2026 09:05:00 +0000 pat@adaptivejax.com (Shane Farley) https://thedeterminedsociety.com/pat-sitkins/ What separates people who dream from people who actually build extraordinary lives?

After producing thousands of hours of television and working alongside some of the biggest names in entertainment, four-time Emmy Award-winning producer Shane Farley has developed a unique perspective on that question.

Throughout his career, Shane has helped shape hit shows including Steve Harvey, The Voice, The Rachel Ray Show, The Wayne Brady Show, The Rosie O’Donnell Show, and many more. His job has never simply been producing television. It's been recognizing what resonates.

One story continues to stand out.

When Shane met Alex Boylan after his Amazing Race win, he assumed he'd follow the same path as everyone else trying to stay in television. He didn’t. Instead of waiting for opportunities, Alex started at the bottom, logging tapes at a production company, slowly building the career that would eventually lead to DreamJobbing, The College Tour, and becoming one of the most respected creators in educational television.

Shane's Two Types of People:

Dreamers. And dreamers who do.

That single observation becomes the foundation for a conversation about execution, confidence, storytelling, branding, reinvention, and why the people who accomplish remarkable things usually aren't the loudest people in the room.

Along the way, Shane shares:

  • Why Alex Boylan has always stood apart
  • The persistence that landed him the Steve Harvey Show when he wasn't supposed to get the job
  • What separates stories that resonate from those that disappear
  • The surprising lesson he learned after teaching himself skills he once believed he could never master
  • Why packing an Emmy into a moving box became one of the defining moments of his career
  • His Hall of Fame Relic and the story behind it
  • Why Frank Sinatra's "That's Life" has become the soundtrack to three decades in television

Whether you're building a business, leading a team, creating content, or simply trying to turn ideas into action, this conversation is a reminder that remarkable careers are rarely built by dreaming alone.

CHAPTERS

  • Storytelling through every era of television
  • Dreamers vs. Doers
  • Why Alex Boylan was different
  • DreamJobbing and The College Tour
  • Landing the Steve Harvey Show
  • What makes someone unforgettable
  • Hall of Fame Relic
  • Walk-Up Song: "That's Life"
  • The belief Shane changed his mind on
  • The Marina del Rey story

QUOTABLE MOMENTS

"Alex is equal parts dreamer and doer."

"Everybody says they want it. Very few actually do it."

"There was no way I was getting that job... but I knew I was getting that job."

"I was packing an Emmy because the show had just been canceled."

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> The Emmy-Winning Producer Behind Steve Harvey, Rachel Ray, and more | Shane Farley Shane Farley 00:38:15 Four-time Emmy-winning producer Shane Farley has spent decades behind some of television's biggest shows and stars, including Steve Harvey, The Voice, The Rachel Ray Show, The Wayne Brady Show, The Rosie O’Donnell Show, and many more. In this episode of Two Types of People with Pat Sitkins, Shane shares the patterns he's noticed after producing thousands of stories, why book contributor Alex Boylan is in a class of his own, and what separates dreamers from the people who actually do. Four-time Emmy-winning producer Shane Farley has spent decades behind some of television's biggest shows and stars, including Steve Harvey, The Voice, The Rachel Ray Show, The Wayne Brady Show, The Rosie O’Donnell Show, and many more. In this episode of Two Types of People with Pat Sitkins, Shane shares the patterns he's noticed after producing thousands of stories, why book contributor Alex Boylan is in a class of his own, and what separates dreamers from the people who actually do. two types of people, shane farley, executive producer, steve harvey, emmy winners, rachael ray, daytime television false full 19 ba6f3c65-0802-4a18-9bc8-5b162ed87c98 Lorena Segura: The Permission to Pivot Lorena Segura has built a career by embracing new opportunities.

An actress, television host, The Amazing Race competitor, and host of the Spanish-language editions of The College Tour, Lorena has spent her life proving that success doesn't always follow a straight line.

In this episode of Two Types of People, she reflects on the tension between focus and exploration, what it means to reinvent yourself without losing yourself, and why some people are wired to dedicate their lives to one pursuit while others are called to experience many.

Lorena also opens up about walking away from acting, the identity shift that followed, and how she's learned to stop viewing every pivot as failure.

Along the way, we revisit The Amazing Race, discuss working with Alex Boylan on The College Tour, and explore one of the recurring themes emerging throughout this entire project:

Sometimes growth isn't about holding on.

Sometimes it's about letting go.

In This Episode

  • Competing on The Amazing Race
  • Bringing The College Tour to Spanish-speaking audiences
  • Ties to Ch. 1 contributor Alex Boylan
  • Hollywood, acting, and learning to pivot
  • Why curiosity has shaped her career
  • The identity crisis that follows reinvention
  • Letting go of fear and trusting the process
  • Her Hall of Fame Relic and the incredible Kobe Bryant story
  • Her Two Types of People answer
  • Her Walk-Up Song

Lorena's Two Types of People

Those who dedicate themselves to one pursuit... and those who are called to explore many.

Hall of Fame Relic

A football signed by Bill Belichick and thrown to her husband by Kobe Bryant. A one-of-one story that perfectly captures the unexpected connections that shape a life.

Walk-Up Song

"Seven Nation Army" - The White Stripes

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Mon, 29 Jun 2026 12:10:00 +0000 pat@adaptivejax.com (Lorena Segura) https://thedeterminedsociety.com/pat-sitkins/ Lorena Segura has built a career by embracing new opportunities.

An actress, television host, The Amazing Race competitor, and host of the Spanish-language editions of The College Tour, Lorena has spent her life proving that success doesn't always follow a straight line.

In this episode of Two Types of People, she reflects on the tension between focus and exploration, what it means to reinvent yourself without losing yourself, and why some people are wired to dedicate their lives to one pursuit while others are called to experience many.

Lorena also opens up about walking away from acting, the identity shift that followed, and how she's learned to stop viewing every pivot as failure.

Along the way, we revisit The Amazing Race, discuss working with Alex Boylan on The College Tour, and explore one of the recurring themes emerging throughout this entire project:

Sometimes growth isn't about holding on.

Sometimes it's about letting go.

In This Episode

  • Competing on The Amazing Race
  • Bringing The College Tour to Spanish-speaking audiences
  • Ties to Ch. 1 contributor Alex Boylan
  • Hollywood, acting, and learning to pivot
  • Why curiosity has shaped her career
  • The identity crisis that follows reinvention
  • Letting go of fear and trusting the process
  • Her Hall of Fame Relic and the incredible Kobe Bryant story
  • Her Two Types of People answer
  • Her Walk-Up Song

Lorena's Two Types of People

Those who dedicate themselves to one pursuit... and those who are called to explore many.

Hall of Fame Relic

A football signed by Bill Belichick and thrown to her husband by Kobe Bryant. A one-of-one story that perfectly captures the unexpected connections that shape a life.

Walk-Up Song

"Seven Nation Army" - The White Stripes

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Lorena Segura: The Permission to Pivot Lorena Segura 00:33:43 Reality TV introduced the world to Lorena Segura. But this conversation with Pat Sitkins isn't about television. It's about choosing curiosity over certainty. From The Amazing Race and Hollywood to The College Tour, Lorena shares why she's never been the type of person to follow just one path. We talk about identity, reinvention, learning to let go, and why changing direction isn't the same as giving up. Reality TV introduced the world to Lorena Segura. But this conversation with Pat Sitkins isn't about television. It's about choosing curiosity over certainty. From The Amazing Race and Hollywood to The College Tour, Lorena shares why she's never been the type of person to follow just one path. We talk about identity, reinvention, learning to let go, and why changing direction isn't the same as giving up. two types of people, icarly, lorena segura, reality tv false full 18 e1d6bf36-ee7d-46c2-a957-3a52b239b1bd Brennan Swain: The Original Amazing Race Winner on Adventure, Discipline & Showing Up A recent episode and Chapter One in "Two Types of People" introduces you to Alex Boylan. This conversation takes us to the original Amazing Race Season One finish line. 

Brennan Swain is the winner of the very first season of The Amazing Race, a champion adventure racer, accomplished patent attorney, and one of Alex Boylan's closest friends for more than two decades.

In this episode, Brennan shares what it was like helping launch one of the most successful reality television franchises in history, how adventure became a catalyst for growth, and why some of life's biggest opportunities begin with simply taking the first step.

We also explore his Two Types of People answer:

Those who are on time and those who are always late.

A simple answer (and one of my top pet peeves) that opens the door to a much bigger conversation about habits, discipline, preparation, competitiveness, and the routines that shape our lives. Along the way, Brennan shares stories from Amazing Race, adventure racing around the world, climbing Kilimanjaro, his friendship with Alex Boylan, and the life lessons that continue to guide him 25 years after crossing the finish line.

In This Episode:

• Winning the very first season of The Amazing Race
• The importance of authenticity in life and reality television
• Adventure, discomfort, and personal growth
• Brennan's friendship with Alex Boylan
• The habits that separate high performers
• Why routine matters more than motivation
• The famous "Hating Hat" relic
• His walk-up song and the story behind it
• Reflecting on 25 years of Amazing Race history
• Those who are on time and those who are always late

Connect with Brennan

Instagram: @brennanswain

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Mon, 22 Jun 2026 13:35:00 +0000 pat@adaptivejax.com (Brennan Swain) https://thedeterminedsociety.com/pat-sitkins/ A recent episode and Chapter One in "Two Types of People" introduces you to Alex Boylan. This conversation takes us to the original Amazing Race Season One finish line. 

Brennan Swain is the winner of the very first season of The Amazing Race, a champion adventure racer, accomplished patent attorney, and one of Alex Boylan's closest friends for more than two decades.

In this episode, Brennan shares what it was like helping launch one of the most successful reality television franchises in history, how adventure became a catalyst for growth, and why some of life's biggest opportunities begin with simply taking the first step.

We also explore his Two Types of People answer:

Those who are on time and those who are always late.

A simple answer (and one of my top pet peeves) that opens the door to a much bigger conversation about habits, discipline, preparation, competitiveness, and the routines that shape our lives. Along the way, Brennan shares stories from Amazing Race, adventure racing around the world, climbing Kilimanjaro, his friendship with Alex Boylan, and the life lessons that continue to guide him 25 years after crossing the finish line.

In This Episode:

• Winning the very first season of The Amazing Race
• The importance of authenticity in life and reality television
• Adventure, discomfort, and personal growth
• Brennan's friendship with Alex Boylan
• The habits that separate high performers
• Why routine matters more than motivation
• The famous "Hating Hat" relic
• His walk-up song and the story behind it
• Reflecting on 25 years of Amazing Race history
• Those who are on time and those who are always late

Connect with Brennan

Instagram: @brennanswain

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Brennan Swain: The Original Amazing Race Winner on Adventure, Discipline & Showing Up Brennan Swain 00:46:05 Twenty-five years after winning the very first season of The Amazing Race, Brennan Swain reflects on adventure, growth, and the habits that shape our lives. From racing 35,000 miles around the world to climbing Kilimanjaro and building a successful legal career, Brennan shares why the people who keep showing up often end up exactly where they're meant to be. Twenty-five years after winning the very first season of The Amazing Race, Brennan Swain reflects on adventure, growth, and the habits that shape our lives. From racing 35,000 miles around the world to climbing Kilimanjaro and building a successful legal career, Brennan shares why the people who keep showing up often end up exactly where they're meant to be. two types of people, success mindset, the amazing race, reality tv, amazing race false full 17 61483162-213d-4cb0-9f49-131e21afe398 Jeff Schroeder: America's Favorite Houseguest on What Really Matters Jeff Schroeder

  • America's Favorite Houseguest, Big Brother
  • Competitor, The Amazing Race & Around the World for Free
  • Television Host & Producer
  • Co-Host of TogetherMess with Jordan Lloyd
     

Before he became "America's Favorite" Houseguest on Big Brother, competed on The Amazing Race, went Around the World for Free, and built a career in television, Jeff Schroeder was just trying to figure out what came next.

In this episode of Two Types of People, Jeff joins Pat Sitkins for a conversation about resilience, opportunity, mindset, and the moments that change the trajectory of a life.

Jeff shares the unlikely path from bouncing to the next job to reality television, world travel, hosting opportunities, and eventually building a life and family alongside fellow Big Brother winner Jordan Lloyd.

Along the way, he reflects on the lessons learned from Alex Boylan, the kindness he experienced traveling the world with no money in his pocket, the impact of losing his mother, and why he believes every success in his life started with a simple decision: believing he could.

In This Episode

  • Winning America's Favorite Houseguest on Big Brother
  • Meeting his wife Jordan Lloyd on reality television
  • Competing on The Amazing Race
  • Going Around the World for Free and traveling the globe with no money
  • The life-changing kindness of strangers
  • Why mindset determines outcomes
  • Learning from failure instead of being defined by it
  • The mentor who helped change his life
  • Raising resilient kids in an increasingly difficult world
  • His Two Types of People answer
  • The relic that keeps him connected to family
  • His walk-up song and the story behind it
  • An unforgettable Alex Boylan (Ch. 1 contributor to the New Book!) story from India
     

Jeff Schroeder's Two Types of People

People who think they can.
People who think they can't.

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Mon, 15 Jun 2026 16:00:00 +0000 pat@adaptivejax.com (Jeff Schroeder) https://thedeterminedsociety.com/pat-sitkins/ Jeff Schroeder

  • America's Favorite Houseguest, Big Brother
  • Competitor, The Amazing Race & Around the World for Free
  • Television Host & Producer
  • Co-Host of TogetherMess with Jordan Lloyd
     

Before he became "America's Favorite" Houseguest on Big Brother, competed on The Amazing Race, went Around the World for Free, and built a career in television, Jeff Schroeder was just trying to figure out what came next.

In this episode of Two Types of People, Jeff joins Pat Sitkins for a conversation about resilience, opportunity, mindset, and the moments that change the trajectory of a life.

Jeff shares the unlikely path from bouncing to the next job to reality television, world travel, hosting opportunities, and eventually building a life and family alongside fellow Big Brother winner Jordan Lloyd.

Along the way, he reflects on the lessons learned from Alex Boylan, the kindness he experienced traveling the world with no money in his pocket, the impact of losing his mother, and why he believes every success in his life started with a simple decision: believing he could.

In This Episode

  • Winning America's Favorite Houseguest on Big Brother
  • Meeting his wife Jordan Lloyd on reality television
  • Competing on The Amazing Race
  • Going Around the World for Free and traveling the globe with no money
  • The life-changing kindness of strangers
  • Why mindset determines outcomes
  • Learning from failure instead of being defined by it
  • The mentor who helped change his life
  • Raising resilient kids in an increasingly difficult world
  • His Two Types of People answer
  • The relic that keeps him connected to family
  • His walk-up song and the story behind it
  • An unforgettable Alex Boylan (Ch. 1 contributor to the New Book!) story from India
     

Jeff Schroeder's Two Types of People

People who think they can.
People who think they can't.

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Jeff Schroeder: America's Favorite Houseguest on What Really Matters Jeff Schroeder 00:34:00 Contestant on Big Brother, The Amazing Race, Around the World for Free, and more - "America's Favorite Houseguest" Jeff Schroeder joins Pat Sitkins on a new episode of Two Types of People. Contestant on Big Brother, The Amazing Race, Around the World for Free, and more - "America's Favorite Houseguest" Jeff Schroeder joins Pat Sitkins on a new episode of Two Types of People. two types of people, success mindset, mindset shift, big brother, reality tv, amazing race false full 16 b3d0f562-9250-462d-ae64-3243a156ade0 Alex Boylan: The Miles That Made Him Alex Boylan has spent most of his life saying “yes” before he felt fully ready.

From moving to Brazil alone at 15 years old… to winning The Amazing Race 2… to building a career producing travel television and creating The College Tour, Alex has consistently leaned into discomfort, curiosity, and opportunity.

But this conversation goes way beyond television.

Alex and Pat Sitkins discuss:

  • becoming comfortable being uncomfortable
  • taking the first rep before you feel ready
  • keeping your “backpack” light
  • perspective, travel, and gratitude
  • a look at Alex’s book The Miles That Make You: How to Make Life an Epic Journey
  • aging parents and becoming a father
  • why most people stop themselves too early
  • and how staying curious can completely change the trajectory of your life.

One of the most thoughtful, grounded, personal, and hopeful episodes of Two Types of People so far.

CHAPTERS

  • 00:00 — Welcome Alex Boylan
  • 02:15 — Comfortable vs Comfortable Being Uncomfortable
  • 05:40 — Why the First Rep Matters
  • 09:20 — Get Off Your Cell Phone and Look Up
  • 10:00 — Moving to Brazil at 15 Years Old
  • 12:00 — The Amazing Race Changed Everything
  • 15:15 — Why Some People Stay Stuck in One Era
  • 21:30 — Perspective, Aging Parents & Fatherhood
  • 24:00 — Keep Your Backpack Light
  • 28:00 — Rock Bottom, St. John & Starting Over
  • 31:00 — Building The College Tour

QUOTABLE MOMENTS

  • “Those who are comfortable… and those who are comfortable being uncomfortable.”
  • “Get off your cell phone and look up.”
  • “You’re gonna suck at first.”
  • “Most of the rest of it is all in your own head.”
  • “Life’s amazing. This planet’s amazing.”
  • “Keep your backpack light.”

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Mon, 25 May 2026 06:00:00 +0000 pat@adaptivejax.com (Alex Boylan) https://thedeterminedsociety.com/pat-sitkins/ Alex Boylan has spent most of his life saying “yes” before he felt fully ready.

From moving to Brazil alone at 15 years old… to winning The Amazing Race 2… to building a career producing travel television and creating The College Tour, Alex has consistently leaned into discomfort, curiosity, and opportunity.

But this conversation goes way beyond television.

Alex and Pat Sitkins discuss:

  • becoming comfortable being uncomfortable
  • taking the first rep before you feel ready
  • keeping your “backpack” light
  • perspective, travel, and gratitude
  • a look at Alex’s book The Miles That Make You: How to Make Life an Epic Journey
  • aging parents and becoming a father
  • why most people stop themselves too early
  • and how staying curious can completely change the trajectory of your life.

One of the most thoughtful, grounded, personal, and hopeful episodes of Two Types of People so far.

CHAPTERS

  • 00:00 — Welcome Alex Boylan
  • 02:15 — Comfortable vs Comfortable Being Uncomfortable
  • 05:40 — Why the First Rep Matters
  • 09:20 — Get Off Your Cell Phone and Look Up
  • 10:00 — Moving to Brazil at 15 Years Old
  • 12:00 — The Amazing Race Changed Everything
  • 15:15 — Why Some People Stay Stuck in One Era
  • 21:30 — Perspective, Aging Parents & Fatherhood
  • 24:00 — Keep Your Backpack Light
  • 28:00 — Rock Bottom, St. John & Starting Over
  • 31:00 — Building The College Tour

QUOTABLE MOMENTS

  • “Those who are comfortable… and those who are comfortable being uncomfortable.”
  • “Get off your cell phone and look up.”
  • “You’re gonna suck at first.”
  • “Most of the rest of it is all in your own head.”
  • “Life’s amazing. This planet’s amazing.”
  • “Keep your backpack light.”

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Alex Boylan: The Miles That Made Him Alex Boylan 00:45:47 Alex Boylan - Amazing Race winner, Emmy-nominated producer & host, author, creator of The College Tour, and Chapter One contributor in the upcoming book “Two Types of People”, joins Pat Sitkins for a conversation about curiosity, discomfort, perspective, and building a life by staying open to adventure. Alex Boylan - Amazing Race winner, Emmy-nominated producer & host, author, creator of The College Tour, and Chapter One contributor in the upcoming book “Two Types of People”, joins Pat Sitkins for a conversation about curiosity, discomfort, perspective, and building a life by staying open to adventure. two types of people, pat sitkins, culture & entertainment, the college tour, authors, higher education, travel, reality tv, alex boylan, amazing race winners false full 15 a4f5ad78-6c53-4bda-9b58-11828a8370e7 Austin Tovey: Wired for More Austin Tovey isn’t asking for permission to live his life, and this episode has one overarching theme - taking ownership.

Professional foilboarder, innovator, and waterman Austin Tovey joins Pat Sitkins to talk about the evolution of foiling, the freedom found in the ocean, and the mindset required to keep progressing when most people stop.

From his early days with now fellow pro rider Noah Flegel, designing his own pro model board with Armstrong Foils to interactions with legends like Jerry Lopez and Mickey Munoz, Austin shares how discomfort, ownership, and obsession have shaped both his sport and his life.

This episode dives into accountability, persistence, mental resilience, and the difference between people who embrace hard things… and people who spend their lives avoiding them.

Streaming now on all platforms.

Main Themes

  • Taking full ownership of your life
  • Embracing discomfort voluntarily
  • Constant progression vs stagnation
  • Nature as therapy and reset
  • Innovation in foiling and water sports
  • Learning from legends
  • Staying in the game long enough to break through

Quotable Moments

“There are no bad waves. Only poor equipment and a lousy attitude.”

“Once it clicks and you get that bug… you’re locked in.”

“You must persevere and keep pushing until you accomplish it.”

“All my days are better now because of foil.”

“Some people don’t want to look bad at something new.”

Chapters

00:00 — The Pro Model Board & Building Something to Last
05:56 — Why Water Changes Everything
10:15 — Laird Hamilton, Noah Flegel, Jerry Lopez & Pushing the Sport Forward
17:57 — No Bad Waves, Just Bad Attitudes
23:10 — Full Ownership vs Blame
25:35 — Why Discomfort Matters
27:43 — Staying in the Game Long Enough to Break Through
31:38 — Austin’s Hype Song & Final Thoughts

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Tue, 12 May 2026 05:00:00 +0000 pat@adaptivejax.com (Austin Tovey) https://thedeterminedsociety.com/pat-sitkins/ Austin Tovey isn’t asking for permission to live his life, and this episode has one overarching theme - taking ownership.

Professional foilboarder, innovator, and waterman Austin Tovey joins Pat Sitkins to talk about the evolution of foiling, the freedom found in the ocean, and the mindset required to keep progressing when most people stop.

From his early days with now fellow pro rider Noah Flegel, designing his own pro model board with Armstrong Foils to interactions with legends like Jerry Lopez and Mickey Munoz, Austin shares how discomfort, ownership, and obsession have shaped both his sport and his life.

This episode dives into accountability, persistence, mental resilience, and the difference between people who embrace hard things… and people who spend their lives avoiding them.

Streaming now on all platforms.

Main Themes

  • Taking full ownership of your life
  • Embracing discomfort voluntarily
  • Constant progression vs stagnation
  • Nature as therapy and reset
  • Innovation in foiling and water sports
  • Learning from legends
  • Staying in the game long enough to break through

Quotable Moments

“There are no bad waves. Only poor equipment and a lousy attitude.”

“Once it clicks and you get that bug… you’re locked in.”

“You must persevere and keep pushing until you accomplish it.”

“All my days are better now because of foil.”

“Some people don’t want to look bad at something new.”

Chapters

00:00 — The Pro Model Board & Building Something to Last
05:56 — Why Water Changes Everything
10:15 — Laird Hamilton, Noah Flegel, Jerry Lopez & Pushing the Sport Forward
17:57 — No Bad Waves, Just Bad Attitudes
23:10 — Full Ownership vs Blame
25:35 — Why Discomfort Matters
27:43 — Staying in the Game Long Enough to Break Through
31:38 — Austin’s Hype Song & Final Thoughts

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Austin Tovey: Wired for More Austin Tovey 00:34:53 Professional Foilboarder Austin Tovey on Two Types of People with Pat Sitkins. They discuss progression, ownership, discomfort, and building a life around movement, nature, and constant evolution. Professional Foilboarder Austin Tovey on Two Types of People with Pat Sitkins. They discuss progression, ownership, discomfort, and building a life around movement, nature, and constant evolution. foilboarding, water sports, two types of people, austin tovey, foiling, pat sitkins, innovation, perseverance, surfing, author false full 14 df97cfac-5671-4c9f-93c2-70578c2341d1 Players vs Spectators: and Choosing the Hard Road Angela Birch, owner of Focus Fitness doesn’t see the world the same way most people do.

When asked the core question, her answer was simple:

Players and spectators.

Some people step into the arena. They take risks, make decisions without guarantees, and choose a path that often feels harder than it needs to be. Others build a life around stability, security, and predictability. Neither is wrong, but they lead to very different experiences.

After 20 years in corporate leadership, she walked away from stability to pursue entrepreneurship, opening and rebuilding fitness facilities from the ground up. It hasn’t been easy. Sleepless nights, constant pressure, and the weight of decisions that don’t always make sense to anyone else. But as she explains, for some people, the “safe” path isn’t even visible. That mindset shows up in everything she does.

From competitive bodybuilding to building businesses, to writing her book Strong Enough to Stand Alone, Angela operates with a level of persistence that borders on relentless. Her definition of determination is straightforward: keep going. Even when it’s hard. Especially when it’s hard.

In this conversation, we get into:

  • The difference between playing the game and watching it
  • Why some people feel pulled toward harder paths
  • The reality of entrepreneurship and rebuilding from scratch
  • How consistency beats complexity in both fitness and business
  • The role of honesty, mentorship, and pushing others to be better

This one isn’t about a blueprint.

It’s about recognizing which role you’re playing… and deciding if that’s actually what you want.

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Tue, 28 Apr 2026 05:00:00 +0000 pat@adaptivejax.com (angela birch) https://thedeterminedsociety.com/pat-sitkins/ Angela Birch, owner of Focus Fitness doesn’t see the world the same way most people do.

When asked the core question, her answer was simple:

Players and spectators.

Some people step into the arena. They take risks, make decisions without guarantees, and choose a path that often feels harder than it needs to be. Others build a life around stability, security, and predictability. Neither is wrong, but they lead to very different experiences.

After 20 years in corporate leadership, she walked away from stability to pursue entrepreneurship, opening and rebuilding fitness facilities from the ground up. It hasn’t been easy. Sleepless nights, constant pressure, and the weight of decisions that don’t always make sense to anyone else. But as she explains, for some people, the “safe” path isn’t even visible. That mindset shows up in everything she does.

From competitive bodybuilding to building businesses, to writing her book Strong Enough to Stand Alone, Angela operates with a level of persistence that borders on relentless. Her definition of determination is straightforward: keep going. Even when it’s hard. Especially when it’s hard.

In this conversation, we get into:

  • The difference between playing the game and watching it
  • Why some people feel pulled toward harder paths
  • The reality of entrepreneurship and rebuilding from scratch
  • How consistency beats complexity in both fitness and business
  • The role of honesty, mentorship, and pushing others to be better

This one isn’t about a blueprint.

It’s about recognizing which role you’re playing… and deciding if that’s actually what you want.

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Players vs Spectators: and Choosing the Hard Road angela birch 00:34:29 From competitive bodybuilding to building businesses, to writing her book Strong Enough to Stand Alone, Angela Birch operates with a level of persistence that borders on relentless. Full Episode with Pat Sitkins and the owner of Focus Fitness in Jacksonville, available now. From competitive bodybuilding to building businesses, to writing her book Strong Enough to Stand Alone, Angela Birch operates with a level of persistence that borders on relentless. Full Episode with Pat Sitkins and the owner of Focus Fitness in Jacksonville, available now. two types of people, bodybuilding, pat sitkins, fitness, angela birch, author, focus fitness false full 13 e842dcdb-1052-48d4-8f5a-1c689cdc0cd1 From "Bubble Yum Hustler" to Elite CEO In this Two Types of People episode Tim Leman, CEO of Gibson, shares insights on business growth, leadership challenges, mentorship, and the importance of perseverance. Discover practical advice and personal stories that highlight the journey of building a successful company and the value of community support.

This isn’t a conversation about surface-level growth or leadership tactics. It’s about what the role actually demands once you’re in the seat.

Tim talks about the weight that comes with leading a company where hundreds of families are counting on your decisions. Not the highlight reel version of being a CEO… the part that doesn’t get posted. The responsibility, the isolation at times, and the reality that no one else fully feels that pressure the way you do.

When asked the core question of the show, his answer came from that lived experience:

Those who know they can’t do it alone… and those who make sure nobody else has to.

It’s a perspective shaped by mentorship, by people who stepped in at critical moments, and by the responsibility to do the same for others. From there, the conversation shifts to something even more foundational - Agency.

Tim’s definition of determination is simple: take ownership. Nobody is coming to save you. Nobody is thinking about your situation the way you are. The people who move forward are the ones who decide to own it and stay in the game long enough for things to break their way.

He also reinforces something that shows up across high performers but rarely gets said this clearly: Outlasting is a strategy. Not flashy. Not easy to sell. But real.

The people who win aren’t always the most talented. They’re the ones who don’t leave.

You’ll also hear:

  • Why mentorship changed the trajectory of his career and how to actually be a good mentee
  • The reality behind Gibson’s growth and expansion into new markets
  • The emotional cost of leadership and how to manage it over time
  • Why communication and human connection are becoming more valuable, not less

This one is grounded. No noise. Just how it actually works once you are at the helm.

Key Topics

  • Business expansion strategies
  • Leadership challenges and loneliness
  • Mentorship and community support
  • Persistence and long-term success

Takeaways

  • Lonely moments are part of leadership but can be mitigated through peer groups.
  • Success is a long-term journey, often taking decades to realize.
  • Mentorship is crucial; helping others can be a powerful way to give back.
  • Persistence and outlasting competitors are key to entrepreneurial success.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Tim Leman and Gibson's Growth

06:54 The Challenges of Being a CEO

14:56 Two Types of People: Mentorship and Support

21:34 Defining Determination and Personal Agency

23:34 Musical Inspirations and Closing Thoughts

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Tue, 21 Apr 2026 06:00:00 +0000 pat@adaptivejax.com (Tim Leman) https://thedeterminedsociety.com/pat-sitkins/ In this Two Types of People episode Tim Leman, CEO of Gibson, shares insights on business growth, leadership challenges, mentorship, and the importance of perseverance. Discover practical advice and personal stories that highlight the journey of building a successful company and the value of community support.

This isn’t a conversation about surface-level growth or leadership tactics. It’s about what the role actually demands once you’re in the seat.

Tim talks about the weight that comes with leading a company where hundreds of families are counting on your decisions. Not the highlight reel version of being a CEO… the part that doesn’t get posted. The responsibility, the isolation at times, and the reality that no one else fully feels that pressure the way you do.

When asked the core question of the show, his answer came from that lived experience:

Those who know they can’t do it alone… and those who make sure nobody else has to.

It’s a perspective shaped by mentorship, by people who stepped in at critical moments, and by the responsibility to do the same for others. From there, the conversation shifts to something even more foundational - Agency.

Tim’s definition of determination is simple: take ownership. Nobody is coming to save you. Nobody is thinking about your situation the way you are. The people who move forward are the ones who decide to own it and stay in the game long enough for things to break their way.

He also reinforces something that shows up across high performers but rarely gets said this clearly: Outlasting is a strategy. Not flashy. Not easy to sell. But real.

The people who win aren’t always the most talented. They’re the ones who don’t leave.

You’ll also hear:

  • Why mentorship changed the trajectory of his career and how to actually be a good mentee
  • The reality behind Gibson’s growth and expansion into new markets
  • The emotional cost of leadership and how to manage it over time
  • Why communication and human connection are becoming more valuable, not less

This one is grounded. No noise. Just how it actually works once you are at the helm.

Key Topics

  • Business expansion strategies
  • Leadership challenges and loneliness
  • Mentorship and community support
  • Persistence and long-term success

Takeaways

  • Lonely moments are part of leadership but can be mitigated through peer groups.
  • Success is a long-term journey, often taking decades to realize.
  • Mentorship is crucial; helping others can be a powerful way to give back.
  • Persistence and outlasting competitors are key to entrepreneurial success.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Tim Leman and Gibson's Growth

06:54 The Challenges of Being a CEO

14:56 Two Types of People: Mentorship and Support

21:34 Defining Determination and Personal Agency

23:34 Musical Inspirations and Closing Thoughts

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> From "Bubble Yum Hustler" to Elite CEO Tim Leman 00:25:39 In this Two Types of People episode Pat Sitkins & Tim Leman, CEO of Gibson, shares insights on business growth, leadership challenges, mentorship, and the importance of perseverance. Discover practical advice and personal stories that highlight the journey of building a successful company and the value of community support. In this Two Types of People episode Pat Sitkins & Tim Leman, CEO of Gibson, shares insights on business growth, leadership challenges, mentorship, and the importance of perseverance. Discover practical advice and personal stories that highlight the journey of building a successful company and the value of community support. company expansion, two types of people, leadership, business growth, pat sitkins, perseverance, ceo insights, mentorship, entrepreneurship, gibson, insurance industry false full 12 20e1cbcd-0d11-49c9-a486-0afd1403599d The Power of Value and Determination in Sales Leadership Guffy Wright, National Sales Leader at The Mahoney Group, breaks down what actually drives performance inside an employee-owned insurance agency. Not theory… execution.

At the center of this bonus episode is his answer to Two Types of People:

Those who understand value… and those who don’t.

This featurette ties directly into the Larry G. Linne episode and brings it into the real world. We get into value as something that’s constantly moving. How you create it, how you communicate it, and why most people never fully understand it.

From ESOP structure to culture plays like their own in-house Agency Pro Shop, to what’s changing in the industry with AI, this is a look at what’s actually working right now.

Topics Covered

  • Employee ownership and ESOPs in insurance
  • Building culture that actually sticks - wait till you see the M. Pro Shop
  • What “value” really means in sales
  • Why value is constantly in motion
  • AI and where the industry is heading
  • The widening gap between performers and everyone else
  • Failure vs stagnation… and why movement matters
  • Determination as inevitability, not motivation

Key Lines

“Value is constantly in motion.”
“Failure is better than stagnation.”

*Production note: this was a virtual recording that ran into issues. We worked our magic best we could on this episode, so apologies for some audio issues. However, this conversation was too good not to publish. Sales Professionals, Sales Leaders, and Business Owners will get a ton of VALUE from this episode. 

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Thu, 16 Apr 2026 13:45:00 +0000 pat@adaptivejax.com (Guffy Wright) https://thedeterminedsociety.com/pat-sitkins/ Guffy Wright, National Sales Leader at The Mahoney Group, breaks down what actually drives performance inside an employee-owned insurance agency. Not theory… execution.

At the center of this bonus episode is his answer to Two Types of People:

Those who understand value… and those who don’t.

This featurette ties directly into the Larry G. Linne episode and brings it into the real world. We get into value as something that’s constantly moving. How you create it, how you communicate it, and why most people never fully understand it.

From ESOP structure to culture plays like their own in-house Agency Pro Shop, to what’s changing in the industry with AI, this is a look at what’s actually working right now.

Topics Covered

  • Employee ownership and ESOPs in insurance
  • Building culture that actually sticks - wait till you see the M. Pro Shop
  • What “value” really means in sales
  • Why value is constantly in motion
  • AI and where the industry is heading
  • The widening gap between performers and everyone else
  • Failure vs stagnation… and why movement matters
  • Determination as inevitability, not motivation

Key Lines

“Value is constantly in motion.”
“Failure is better than stagnation.”

*Production note: this was a virtual recording that ran into issues. We worked our magic best we could on this episode, so apologies for some audio issues. However, this conversation was too good not to publish. Sales Professionals, Sales Leaders, and Business Owners will get a ton of VALUE from this episode. 

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> The Power of Value and Determination in Sales Leadership Guffy Wright 00:22:29 Guffy Wright, National Sales Leader at The Mahoney Group, breaks down what actually drives performance inside an employee-owned insurance agency. Not theory… execution. At the center of this bonus episode is his answer to Two Types of People: Those who understand value… and those who don’t. Guffy Wright, National Sales Leader at The Mahoney Group, breaks down what actually drives performance inside an employee-owned insurance agency. Not theory… execution. At the center of this bonus episode is his answer to Two Types of People: Those who understand value… and those who don’t. determination, sales leadership, two types of people, branding, company culture, leadership stories, pat sitkins, mahoney group, industry trends, value, employee ownership, guffy wright, insurance industry false full 11 e7ab57ef-a95d-45c0-99b3-d78622ef375b From NFL to Bestselling Author: Larry G. Linne's Journey Larry G. Linne’s latest work, Keeping It Light, is built around the leadership “isms” of David Pattison… simple, memorable principles that help leaders think clearly, make better decisions, and move faster when things get complex.

Larry’s role was taking those ideas and bringing them to life. Through real-world experience, stories, and application, he helps translate Pattison’s isms into something leaders can actually use day to day.

That’s been the theme across his entire career.

From Bestsellers Make the Noise Go Away and Brand Aid, to contributing to Two Types of People, Larry has built a body of work focused on one thing… making complex ideas simple and executable.

In this conversation, host Pat Sitkins goes deeper into that journey. The grind of writing his first book, the lessons learned along the way, and why most people never follow through on the ideas they say matter to them.

We also get into what it really takes to write, publish, and most importantly… execute.

If you’re building, leading, or trying to simplify what feels overwhelming, this one will hit.

Topics Covered

  • Keeping It Light and David Pattison’s leadership isms
  • Translating ideas into real-world application
  • The story behind Make the Noise Go Away
  • Co-authoring Brand Aid and building lasting concepts
  • Why execution separates people more than ideas
  • What it actually takes to write and publish a book
  • Doing hard things and why that path matters

Key Line

“Partial success is a sedative.”

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Mon, 6 Apr 2026 06:00:00 +0000 pat@adaptivejax.com (Larry Linne) https://thedeterminedsociety.com/pat-sitkins/ Larry G. Linne’s latest work, Keeping It Light, is built around the leadership “isms” of David Pattison… simple, memorable principles that help leaders think clearly, make better decisions, and move faster when things get complex.

Larry’s role was taking those ideas and bringing them to life. Through real-world experience, stories, and application, he helps translate Pattison’s isms into something leaders can actually use day to day.

That’s been the theme across his entire career.

From Bestsellers Make the Noise Go Away and Brand Aid, to contributing to Two Types of People, Larry has built a body of work focused on one thing… making complex ideas simple and executable.

In this conversation, host Pat Sitkins goes deeper into that journey. The grind of writing his first book, the lessons learned along the way, and why most people never follow through on the ideas they say matter to them.

We also get into what it really takes to write, publish, and most importantly… execute.

If you’re building, leading, or trying to simplify what feels overwhelming, this one will hit.

Topics Covered

  • Keeping It Light and David Pattison’s leadership isms
  • Translating ideas into real-world application
  • The story behind Make the Noise Go Away
  • Co-authoring Brand Aid and building lasting concepts
  • Why execution separates people more than ideas
  • What it actually takes to write and publish a book
  • Doing hard things and why that path matters

Key Line

“Partial success is a sedative.”

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> From NFL to Bestselling Author: Larry G. Linne's Journey Larry Linne 00:34:50 From "Make the Noise Go Away", to co-authoring "Brand Aid", to contributing to "Two Types of People", Larry Linne has built a body of work focused on one thing… making complex ideas simple and executable. From "Make the Noise Go Away", to co-authoring "Brand Aid", to contributing to "Two Types of People", Larry Linne has built a body of work focused on one thing… making complex ideas simple and executable. business success, leadership, pat sitkins, larry linne, execution, making noise go away, personal development, entrepreneurship, authors, author journey false full 10 d895a731-8745-45a3-935b-dceddeca2a62 Starters vs. Closers | Consistency, Curiosity, and Doing the Work Starters vs. Closers | Consistency, Curiosity, and Doing the Work
 

Andy Neary joins host Pat Sitkins to break down a simple but real distinction: Starters vs. Closers. Not just in baseball… in business, sales, and life.

Starters have ideas. Energy. Intent.
Closers show up consistently, stay curious, and do the work long enough to actually produce results.

In this conversation, we get into routine, role transitions, and why authentic effort always beats talk. Because at a certain level, you can’t fake it. The gap shows.

If the Larry G. Linne episode hit for you, then this is a natural follow.

Topics Covered

  • Starters and Closers in business and life
  • Why consistency matters more than motivation
  • Curiosity as a defining trait of high performers
  • Transitioning roles and building new routines
  • Authentic effort vs. surface-level talk
     

Key Line

“You can’t fake the 10% above you.” - Andy

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Fri, 3 Apr 2026 06:00:00 +0000 pat@adaptivejax.com (Andy Neary) https://thedeterminedsociety.com/pat-sitkins/ Starters vs. Closers | Consistency, Curiosity, and Doing the Work
 

Andy Neary joins host Pat Sitkins to break down a simple but real distinction: Starters vs. Closers. Not just in baseball… in business, sales, and life.

Starters have ideas. Energy. Intent.
Closers show up consistently, stay curious, and do the work long enough to actually produce results.

In this conversation, we get into routine, role transitions, and why authentic effort always beats talk. Because at a certain level, you can’t fake it. The gap shows.

If the Larry G. Linne episode hit for you, then this is a natural follow.

Topics Covered

  • Starters and Closers in business and life
  • Why consistency matters more than motivation
  • Curiosity as a defining trait of high performers
  • Transitioning roles and building new routines
  • Authentic effort vs. surface-level talk
     

Key Line

“You can’t fake the 10% above you.” - Andy

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Starters vs. Closers | Consistency, Curiosity, and Doing the Work Andy Neary 00:08:58 Andrew Neary joins host Pat Sitkins to break down a simple but real distinction: Starters vs. Closers. Not just in baseball… in business, sales, and life. Andrew Neary joins host Pat Sitkins to break down a simple but real distinction: Starters vs. Closers. Not just in baseball… in business, sales, and life. closers vs starters, baseball analogy, business success, leadership, work ethic, pat sitkins, curiosity, sales, keywords business success, personal development, authentic effort false full 9 6e0dd0f6-7c85-4926-9f5b-57328377fd98 Larry G. Linne: Those Who Decide and Those Who Act Larry G. Linne is a Former NFL Player and Elite Business Consultant but to Pat Sitkins he is a long-time friend, business partner, advisor, and fishing buddy. They discuss Larry's journey through football, the importance of discipline and sacrifice, and his concept of 'Two Types of People'—those who decide and those who act. Larry shares personal stories, insights on motivation, and introduces his new book, Keeping It Light, which focuses on leadership and decision-making.

Takeaways

  • Larry emphasizes the importance of action over mere intention.
  • He believes that discipline and sacrifice are key to success.
  • How Larry's personal experiences shape his consulting philosophy.
  • The concept of 'Two Types of People' highlights the difference between deciders and doers.
  • Immediate gratification can hinder long-term success.
  • Larry's 'I will' bracelet serves as a daily reminder of his goals.
  • He encourages asking your future self for guidance in decision-making.
  • The journey is often more important than the destination.
  • Larry's new book offers insights on leadership and decision-making.
  • Success is defined by what we give up to achieve our goals.
     

Quotable

"Discipline leads to more opportunities."
"You don't want what I have."
"It's what we gave up that defines us."

Chapters
 

00:00 Introduction to Larry G. Linne
02:33 His ‘Relic’
08:49 Journey Through Football and Life
19:49 Two Types of People: Those Who Decide and Those Who Act
30:13 The Importance of Discipline and Sacrifice
36:47 New Book: Keeping It Light

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Tue, 31 Mar 2026 06:00:00 +0000 pat@adaptivejax.com (Larry Linne) https://thedeterminedsociety.com/pat-sitkins/ Larry G. Linne is a Former NFL Player and Elite Business Consultant but to Pat Sitkins he is a long-time friend, business partner, advisor, and fishing buddy. They discuss Larry's journey through football, the importance of discipline and sacrifice, and his concept of 'Two Types of People'—those who decide and those who act. Larry shares personal stories, insights on motivation, and introduces his new book, Keeping It Light, which focuses on leadership and decision-making.

Takeaways

  • Larry emphasizes the importance of action over mere intention.
  • He believes that discipline and sacrifice are key to success.
  • How Larry's personal experiences shape his consulting philosophy.
  • The concept of 'Two Types of People' highlights the difference between deciders and doers.
  • Immediate gratification can hinder long-term success.
  • Larry's 'I will' bracelet serves as a daily reminder of his goals.
  • He encourages asking your future self for guidance in decision-making.
  • The journey is often more important than the destination.
  • Larry's new book offers insights on leadership and decision-making.
  • Success is defined by what we give up to achieve our goals.
     

Quotable

"Discipline leads to more opportunities."
"You don't want what I have."
"It's what we gave up that defines us."

Chapters
 

00:00 Introduction to Larry G. Linne
02:33 His ‘Relic’
08:49 Journey Through Football and Life
19:49 Two Types of People: Those Who Decide and Those Who Act
30:13 The Importance of Discipline and Sacrifice
36:47 New Book: Keeping It Light

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Larry G. Linne: Those Who Decide and Those Who Act Larry Linne 00:42:35 In this episode, Pat Sitkins interviews his mentor and Two Types of People book contributor Larry G. Linne. In this episode, Pat Sitkins interviews his mentor and Two Types of People book contributor Larry G. Linne. lary g. linne, decision making, two types of people, leadership, pat sitkins, motivation, discipline, personal growth, business coaching, larry linne, sacrifice, nfl false full 8 a100e715-2793-4d8d-a922-33fc74bd6c59 Dr. Anne Prisco: Bound by Our Responsibilities There are two types of people: Givers and Takers.

At least according to Dr. Anne Prisco. As President of Holy Family University, she sees it every day. The people who step up, take ownership, and contribute to something bigger than themselves… and those who approach everything through the lens of what they get in return.

But for Dr. Prisco, this isn’t just a mindset. It’s built into the foundation of Holy Family.

The university’s motto, Teneor Votis — “I am bound by my responsibilities” — isn’t about pressure. It’s about perspective. A recognition that we exist within a larger community, and that success isn’t individual… it’s shared.

In this conversation with host Pat Sitkins, Dr. Prisco breaks down how that philosophy shows up in leadership, education, and culture, and why preparing students to contribute, not just consume, is at the center of everything they do.

She also shares her perspective on higher education today, why it still matters, and how institutions like Holy Family are evolving to meet the real needs of students and the communities they serve.

Takeaways

  • Dr. Anne Prisco’s role as President of Holy Family University
  • The meaning behind “Givers and Takers” in leadership and life
  • Holy Family’s motto: Teneor Votis — “I am bound by my responsibilities”
  • Building a culture centered on contribution and community
  • Why higher education still matters and how it’s evolving
  • Preparing students for real-world responsibility, not just careers
  • Determination, resilience, and getting back up when things get hard

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Holy Family University
04:49 The Value of Higher Education
09:57 Two Types of People: Givers and Takers
16:59 Preparing Students for the Real World
19:49 Defining Determination

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Fri, 27 Mar 2026 07:50:00 +0000 pat@adaptivejax.com (Dr. Anne Prisco, Holy Family University) https://thedeterminedsociety.com/pat-sitkins/ There are two types of people: Givers and Takers.

At least according to Dr. Anne Prisco. As President of Holy Family University, she sees it every day. The people who step up, take ownership, and contribute to something bigger than themselves… and those who approach everything through the lens of what they get in return.

But for Dr. Prisco, this isn’t just a mindset. It’s built into the foundation of Holy Family.

The university’s motto, Teneor Votis — “I am bound by my responsibilities” — isn’t about pressure. It’s about perspective. A recognition that we exist within a larger community, and that success isn’t individual… it’s shared.

In this conversation with host Pat Sitkins, Dr. Prisco breaks down how that philosophy shows up in leadership, education, and culture, and why preparing students to contribute, not just consume, is at the center of everything they do.

She also shares her perspective on higher education today, why it still matters, and how institutions like Holy Family are evolving to meet the real needs of students and the communities they serve.

Takeaways

  • Dr. Anne Prisco’s role as President of Holy Family University
  • The meaning behind “Givers and Takers” in leadership and life
  • Holy Family’s motto: Teneor Votis — “I am bound by my responsibilities”
  • Building a culture centered on contribution and community
  • Why higher education still matters and how it’s evolving
  • Preparing students for real-world responsibility, not just careers
  • Determination, resilience, and getting back up when things get hard

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Holy Family University
04:49 The Value of Higher Education
09:57 Two Types of People: Givers and Takers
16:59 Preparing Students for the Real World
19:49 Defining Determination

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Dr. Anne Prisco: Bound by Our Responsibilities Dr. Anne Prisco, Holy Family University 00:21:39 Dr. Anne Prisco, President of Holy Family University, shares her perspective on whether higher education is worth it and why the real value goes far beyond a degree. Through her "Two Types of People" lens of Givers and Takers, she reframes success around responsibility, contribution, and being part of something bigger than yourself. Dr. Anne Prisco, President of Holy Family University, shares her perspective on whether higher education is worth it and why the real value goes far beyond a degree. Through her "Two Types of People" lens of Givers and Takers, she reframes success around responsibility, contribution, and being part of something bigger than yourself. lifelong learning, community impact, determination, givers and takers, two types of people, pat sitkins, authors, university leadership, keywords higher education, holy family university false full 7 a131df24-a4e7-40db-94c7-c964f3c510f5 The Architects and Builders Behind Great Leadership Karen Fox sees leadership from a unique vantage point.

As Head of Talent Attraction & Engagement at Berkadia, the largest non-bank commercial real estate lender in the United States, Karen spends her days helping organizations build teams that actually work. Berkadia itself is a joint venture between Berkshire Hathaway and Jefferies, operating at the center of the multifamily commercial real estate world.

So when asked the question at the heart of Two Types of People, Karen didn’t hesitate.

There are two types of people: architects and builders.

Architects see the vision. They shape ideas, influence direction, and design what could be.

Builders make the vision real. They execute, move projects forward, and turn plans into outcomes.

Great teams need both.

In this Featurette, Karen shares how these two types show up in leadership, hiring, and culture. She also reflects on the determination and grit required to succeed in demanding industries and why recognizing different strengths inside a team can make the difference between momentum and stagnation.

Karen has also worked closely with John Biasiello for years, bringing an added layer of insight into how strong leadership partnerships actually function.

Because the question isn’t which type is better.

It’s knowing which one you are and building teams that bring both to the table.

Topics Covered

  • Karen Fox’s role at Berkadia and the scale of the organization
  • How talent attraction and culture shape high-performing teams
  • The difference between architects and builders in leadership
  • Why organizations need both visionaries and executors
  • Determination, grit, and long-term career development
  • Leadership lessons from the commercial real estate industry

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Fri, 13 Mar 2026 14:30:07 +0000 pat@adaptivejax.com (Pat Sitkins) https://thedeterminedsociety.com/pat-sitkins/ Karen Fox sees leadership from a unique vantage point.

As Head of Talent Attraction & Engagement at Berkadia, the largest non-bank commercial real estate lender in the United States, Karen spends her days helping organizations build teams that actually work. Berkadia itself is a joint venture between Berkshire Hathaway and Jefferies, operating at the center of the multifamily commercial real estate world.

So when asked the question at the heart of Two Types of People, Karen didn’t hesitate.

There are two types of people: architects and builders.

Architects see the vision. They shape ideas, influence direction, and design what could be.

Builders make the vision real. They execute, move projects forward, and turn plans into outcomes.

Great teams need both.

In this Featurette, Karen shares how these two types show up in leadership, hiring, and culture. She also reflects on the determination and grit required to succeed in demanding industries and why recognizing different strengths inside a team can make the difference between momentum and stagnation.

Karen has also worked closely with John Biasiello for years, bringing an added layer of insight into how strong leadership partnerships actually function.

Because the question isn’t which type is better.

It’s knowing which one you are and building teams that bring both to the table.

Topics Covered

  • Karen Fox’s role at Berkadia and the scale of the organization
  • How talent attraction and culture shape high-performing teams
  • The difference between architects and builders in leadership
  • Why organizations need both visionaries and executors
  • Determination, grit, and long-term career development
  • Leadership lessons from the commercial real estate industry

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> The Architects and Builders Behind Great Leadership Pat Sitkins 00:19:48 false full 6 18d19531-c674-49c4-a6ec-642046672ed0 From Stone Chippers to Cathedral Builders: Reframing Your Outlook The conversation moves from John’s early influences and career beginnings to the philosophy that guided him through decades of building, leading, and mentoring others. At the center of it is a simple idea: the difference between people who chip away at tasks and those who build something that lasts.

Along the way, John shares lessons on leadership, culture, long-term thinking, and why reputation is built through the small things done consistently over time. Today, in addition to leading his own M&A firm helping independent agency owners protect their legacy, John also teaches and mentors the next generation through his work with Holy Family University.

In this episode, Pat and John discuss:

• Growing up in the projects of Philadelphia and the influences that shaped John early on
• Building a $100M insurance agency from the ground up
• Why culture matters more than money when scaling a business
• The difference between “stone chippers” and “cathedral builders”
• Long-term thinking and the mindset required to build something meaningful
• The role of mentorship and giving back through education
• Why success is rarely linear and often comes through hard lessons
• What it actually means to be “legendary”
• Why reputation is built through consistent actions over time

Memorable Moments

“Culture matters more than money.”

“I want to be the CEO of a company.”

“It’s not what you do, it’s who you are.”

Chapters

00:00 – Introduction
03:12 – Growing Up in Philadelphia
06:05 – Early Career and Entering the Insurance Industry
10:00 – Building a $300M Agency
17:04 – Stone Chippers vs Cathedral Builders
19:56 – Long-Term Thinking and Mindset
32:59 – Teaching, Mentorship, and Legacy
39:10 – Closing Thoughts

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Tue, 10 Mar 2026 05:00:00 +0000 pat@adaptivejax.com (Pat Sitkins) https://thedeterminedsociety.com/pat-sitkins/ The conversation moves from John’s early influences and career beginnings to the philosophy that guided him through decades of building, leading, and mentoring others. At the center of it is a simple idea: the difference between people who chip away at tasks and those who build something that lasts.

Along the way, John shares lessons on leadership, culture, long-term thinking, and why reputation is built through the small things done consistently over time. Today, in addition to leading his own M&A firm helping independent agency owners protect their legacy, John also teaches and mentors the next generation through his work with Holy Family University.

In this episode, Pat and John discuss:

• Growing up in the projects of Philadelphia and the influences that shaped John early on
• Building a $100M insurance agency from the ground up
• Why culture matters more than money when scaling a business
• The difference between “stone chippers” and “cathedral builders”
• Long-term thinking and the mindset required to build something meaningful
• The role of mentorship and giving back through education
• Why success is rarely linear and often comes through hard lessons
• What it actually means to be “legendary”
• Why reputation is built through consistent actions over time

Memorable Moments

“Culture matters more than money.”

“I want to be the CEO of a company.”

“It’s not what you do, it’s who you are.”

Chapters

00:00 – Introduction
03:12 – Growing Up in Philadelphia
06:05 – Early Career and Entering the Insurance Industry
10:00 – Building a $300M Agency
17:04 – Stone Chippers vs Cathedral Builders
19:56 – Long-Term Thinking and Mindset
32:59 – Teaching, Mentorship, and Legacy
39:10 – Closing Thoughts

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> From Stone Chippers to Cathedral Builders: Reframing Your Outlook Pat Sitkins 00:41:36 John Biasiello grew up in the projects in Philadelphia and went on to build a $300M insurance agency. In this episode, he sits down with Pat Sitkins to talk about the mindset and decisions that shape a life and a career. John Biasiello grew up in the projects in Philadelphia and went on to build a $300M insurance agency. In this episode, he sits down with Pat Sitkins to talk about the mindset and decisions that shape a life and a career. false full 5 46aad09a-9a30-11f0-8ef5-23bc537626e2 The [Real] World’s Most Interesting Man: Bob Springer Have you ever looked up at the stars with curiosity, or dreamt of doing something extraordinary?

Colonel Robert Clyde “Bob” Springer didn’t just sit and wonder. He went out and took action — over and over again. Is he truly “The [Real] World’s Most Interesting Man”? One thing is certain: he’s lived a case study in choosing action over drift.

Marine. Combat pilot. TOP GUN Graduate. Astronaut. Two-time Shuttle crew member. Longtime Boeing team member. Husband. Father. Grandfather. The list goes on… A man who’s looked down on Earth from orbit and seen our divine place in the universe. If there’s anyone who embodies what it means to act instead of drift, it’s him.

  • Flew 300+ F-4 combat missions in Vietnam (some sources — wink — say 300 in F-4s + 200 in helicopters)
  • Logged 4,500+ flight hours, including 3,500+ in jet aircraft
  • Spent over 237 hours in space across two Shuttle missions: STS-29 (Discovery, 1989) and STS-38 (Atlantis, 1990)
  • Decorated veteran with honors including the Distinguished Flying Cross, Bronze Star, 21 Air Medals, Presidential Unit Citation, NASA Space Flight Medal, Navy Commendation and Achievement Medals
  • Graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy, U.S. Naval Test Pilot School; flew first flights of new helicopters (AH-1T); and held senior leadership/planning roles in the Marine Corps before NASA selection

The Conversation

In this episode of The Two Types of People, Pat Sitkins sits down with Colonel Robert “Bob” Springer to explore the line between Static and Moving. His stories — from Vietnam dogfights to launching Space Shuttles in the shadow of the Challenger disaster — aren’t just history lessons. They’re proof that life can be epic if you’re awake, ready to take action, and willing to do the work.

We cover:

  • Carrying confidence without arrogance when the stakes are life or death
  • Seeing opportunity in the moments others pull back
  • Why perspective from orbit changes everything
  • The mindset shift from “Why me?” to “What is this doing for me?”

This isn’t just about combat or space. It’s about the kind of person you choose to be when the world puts a decision in front of you.

Bob Springer made his choice — and lived a life that proves action creates legacy.

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Tue, 30 Sep 2025 10:00:00 +0000 pat@adaptivejax.com (Pat Sitkins) https://thedeterminedsociety.com/pat-sitkins/ Have you ever looked up at the stars with curiosity, or dreamt of doing something extraordinary?

Colonel Robert Clyde “Bob” Springer didn’t just sit and wonder. He went out and took action — over and over again. Is he truly “The [Real] World’s Most Interesting Man”? One thing is certain: he’s lived a case study in choosing action over drift.

Marine. Combat pilot. TOP GUN Graduate. Astronaut. Two-time Shuttle crew member. Longtime Boeing team member. Husband. Father. Grandfather. The list goes on… A man who’s looked down on Earth from orbit and seen our divine place in the universe. If there’s anyone who embodies what it means to act instead of drift, it’s him.

  • Flew 300+ F-4 combat missions in Vietnam (some sources — wink — say 300 in F-4s + 200 in helicopters)
  • Logged 4,500+ flight hours, including 3,500+ in jet aircraft
  • Spent over 237 hours in space across two Shuttle missions: STS-29 (Discovery, 1989) and STS-38 (Atlantis, 1990)
  • Decorated veteran with honors including the Distinguished Flying Cross, Bronze Star, 21 Air Medals, Presidential Unit Citation, NASA Space Flight Medal, Navy Commendation and Achievement Medals
  • Graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy, U.S. Naval Test Pilot School; flew first flights of new helicopters (AH-1T); and held senior leadership/planning roles in the Marine Corps before NASA selection

The Conversation

In this episode of The Two Types of People, Pat Sitkins sits down with Colonel Robert “Bob” Springer to explore the line between Static and Moving. His stories — from Vietnam dogfights to launching Space Shuttles in the shadow of the Challenger disaster — aren’t just history lessons. They’re proof that life can be epic if you’re awake, ready to take action, and willing to do the work.

We cover:

  • Carrying confidence without arrogance when the stakes are life or death
  • Seeing opportunity in the moments others pull back
  • Why perspective from orbit changes everything
  • The mindset shift from “Why me?” to “What is this doing for me?”

This isn’t just about combat or space. It’s about the kind of person you choose to be when the world puts a decision in front of you.

Bob Springer made his choice — and lived a life that proves action creates legacy.

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> The [Real] World’s Most Interesting Man: Bob Springer Pat Sitkins 00:51:51 Have you ever looked up at the stars with curiosity, or dreamt of doing something extraordinary? Colonel Robert Clyde “Bob” Springer didn’t just sit and wonder. He went out and took action — over and over again. Is he truly “The [Real] World’s Most Interesting Man”? One thing is certain: he’s lived a case study in choosing action over drift. Marine. Combat pilot. TOP GUN Graduate. Astronaut. Two-time Shuttle crew member. Longtime Boeing team member. Husband. Father. Grandfather. The list goes on… A man who’s looked down on Earth from orbit and seen our divine place in the universe. If there’s anyone who embodies what it means to act instead of drift, it’s him. Flew 300+ F-4 combat missions in Vietnam (some sources — wink — say 300 in F-4s + 200 in helicopters) Logged 4,500+ flight hours, including 3,500+ in jet aircraft Spent over 237 hours in space across two Shuttle missions: STS-29 (Discovery, 1989) and STS-38 (Atlantis, 1990) Decorated veteran with honors including the Distinguished Flying Cross, Bronze Star, 21 Air Medals, Presidential Unit Citation, NASA Space Flight Medal, Navy Commendation and Achievement Medals Graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy, U.S. Naval Test Pilot School; flew first flights of new helicopters (AH-1T); and held senior leadership/planning roles in the Marine Corps before NASA selection The Conversation In this episode of The Two Types of People, Pat Sitkins sits down with Colonel Robert “Bob” Springer to explore the line between Static and Moving. His stories — from Vietnam dogfights to launching Space Shuttles in the shadow of the Challenger disaster — aren’t just history lessons. They’re proof that life can be epic if you’re awake, ready to take action, and willing to do the work. We cover: Carrying confidence without arrogance when the stakes are life or death Seeing opportunity in the moments others pull back Why perspective from orbit changes everything The mindset shift from “Why me?” to “What is this doing for me?” This isn’t just about combat or space. It’s about the kind of person you choose to be when the world puts a decision in front of you. Bob Springer made his choice — and lived a life that proves action creates legacy. Have you ever looked up at the stars with curiosity, or dreamt of doing something extraordinary? Colonel Robert Clyde “Bob” Springer didn’t just sit and wonder. He went out and took action — over and over again. Is he truly “The [Real] World’s Most Interesting Man”? One thing is certain: he’s lived a case study in choosing action over drift. Marine. Combat pilot. TOP GUN Graduate. Astronaut. Two-time Shuttle crew member. Longtime Boeing team member. Husband. Father. Grandfather. The list goes on… A man who’s looked down on Earth from orbit and seen our divine place in the universe. If there’s anyone who embodies what it means to act instead of drift, it’s him. Flew 300+ F-4 combat missions in Vietnam (some sources — wink — say 300 in F-4s + 200 in helicopters) Logged 4,500+ flight hours, including 3,500+ in jet aircraft Spent over 237 hours in space across two Shuttle missions: STS-29 (Discovery, 1989) and STS-38 (Atlantis, 1990) Decorated veteran with honors including the Distinguished Flying Cross, Bronze Star, 21 Air Medals, Presidential Unit Citation, NASA Space Flight Medal, Navy Commendation and Achievement Medals Graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy, U.S. Naval Test Pilot School; flew first flights of new helicopters (AH-1T); and held senior leadership/planning roles in the Marine Corps before NASA selection The Conversation In this episode of The Two Types of People, Pat Sitkins sits down with Colonel Robert “Bob” Springer to explore the line between Static and Moving. His stories — from Vietnam dogfights to launching Space Shuttles in the shadow of the Challenger disaster — aren’t just history lessons. They’re proof that life can be epic if you’re awake, ready to take action, and willing to do the work. We cover: Carrying confidence without arrogance when the stakes are life or death Seeing opportunity in the moments others pull back Why perspective from orbit changes everything The mindset shift from “Why me?” to “What is this doing for me?” This isn’t just about combat or space. It’s about the kind of person you choose to be when the world puts a decision in front of you. Bob Springer made his choice — and lived a life that proves action creates legacy. false full 4 215be27c-8516-11f0-b28c-4f1c25610a8c Steve Wheatcroft: PGA Tour Cards, Rock Bottom, and Starting an Uproar In this episode of The Two Types of People, former PGA Tour pro Steve Wheatcroft joins host ⁠Pat Sitkins⁠ for one of the most authentic conversations yet.

From being told “no” six times by Indiana University’s golf coach — and still showing up at his door — to clawing his way onto the PGA Tour, Steve’s story is one of relentless determination. Across 14 years on and off the Tour, he experienced the grind, the wins, and the weight of chasing purpose at the highest level.

But this episode isn’t about scorecards. It’s about what happens when the game ends and identity is lost. Steve opens up about hitting rock bottom, the spiral into alcoholism and depression, and what it took to fight back. Now, through The Mulligan Foundation, he’s staging a war against silence, mental health stigma, and the hidden battles athletes face.

This isn’t just a sports story. It’s about choosing to press on when everything in you wants to pace, coast, or quit.

Highlights:

  • Walking on and becoming a team leader at Indiana University
  • Dominating to earn his PGA Tour card
  • 14 years on and off Tour: the grind behind the dream
  • The real cost of determination — and why it’s worth it
  • Talkers or Listeners: his Two Types lens
  • Rock bottom → redemption → purpose → the fight for athlete mental health

Two Types of People is a ⁠The Determined Society⁠ Production.

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Tue, 2 Sep 2025 14:12:00 +0000 pat@adaptivejax.com (Pat Sitkins) https://thedeterminedsociety.com/pat-sitkins/ In this episode of The Two Types of People, former PGA Tour pro Steve Wheatcroft joins host ⁠Pat Sitkins⁠ for one of the most authentic conversations yet.

From being told “no” six times by Indiana University’s golf coach — and still showing up at his door — to clawing his way onto the PGA Tour, Steve’s story is one of relentless determination. Across 14 years on and off the Tour, he experienced the grind, the wins, and the weight of chasing purpose at the highest level.

But this episode isn’t about scorecards. It’s about what happens when the game ends and identity is lost. Steve opens up about hitting rock bottom, the spiral into alcoholism and depression, and what it took to fight back. Now, through The Mulligan Foundation, he’s staging a war against silence, mental health stigma, and the hidden battles athletes face.

This isn’t just a sports story. It’s about choosing to press on when everything in you wants to pace, coast, or quit.

Highlights:

  • Walking on and becoming a team leader at Indiana University
  • Dominating to earn his PGA Tour card
  • 14 years on and off Tour: the grind behind the dream
  • The real cost of determination — and why it’s worth it
  • Talkers or Listeners: his Two Types lens
  • Rock bottom → redemption → purpose → the fight for athlete mental health

Two Types of People is a ⁠The Determined Society⁠ Production.

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Steve Wheatcroft: PGA Tour Cards, Rock Bottom, and Starting an Uproar Pat Sitkins 00:42:33 In this episode of The Two Types of People, former PGA Tour pro Steve Wheatcroft joins host ⁠Pat Sitkins⁠ for one of the most authentic conversations yet. From being told “no” six times by Indiana University’s golf coach — and still showing up at his door — to clawing his way onto the PGA Tour, Steve’s story is one of relentless determination. Across 14 years on and off the Tour, he experienced the grind, the wins, and the weight of chasing purpose at the highest level. But this episode isn’t about scorecards. It’s about what happens when the game ends and identity is lost. Steve opens up about hitting rock bottom, the spiral into alcoholism and depression, and what it took to fight back. Now, through The Mulligan Foundation, he’s staging a war against silence, mental health stigma, and the hidden battles athletes face. This isn’t just a sports story. It’s about choosing to press on when everything in you wants to pace, coast, or quit. Highlights: Walking on and becoming a team leader at Indiana University Dominating to earn his PGA Tour card 14 years on and off Tour: the grind behind the dream The real cost of determination — and why it’s worth it Talkers or Listeners: his Two Types lens Rock bottom → redemption → purpose → the fight for athlete mental health Two Types of People is a ⁠The Determined Society⁠ Production. In this episode of The Two Types of People, former PGA Tour pro Steve Wheatcroft joins host ⁠Pat Sitkins⁠ for one of the most authentic conversations yet. From being told “no” six times by Indiana University’s golf coach — and still showing up at his door — to clawing his way onto the PGA Tour, Steve’s story is one of relentless determination. Across 14 years on and off the Tour, he experienced the grind, the wins, and the weight of chasing purpose at the highest level. But this episode isn’t about scorecards. It’s about what happens when the game ends and identity is lost. Steve opens up about hitting rock bottom, the spiral into alcoholism and depression, and what it took to fight back. Now, through The Mulligan Foundation, he’s staging a war against silence, mental health stigma, and the hidden battles athletes face. This isn’t just a sports story. It’s about choosing to press on when everything in you wants to pace, coast, or quit. Highlights: Walking on and becoming a team leader at Indiana University Dominating to earn his PGA Tour card 14 years on and off Tour: the grind behind the dream The real cost of determination — and why it’s worth it Talkers or Listeners: his Two Types lens Rock bottom → redemption → purpose → the fight for athlete mental health Two Types of People is a ⁠The Determined Society⁠ Production. false full 3 b9e3f2ce-7d13-11f0-8a35-6b1f60238834 Ron Miller Jr.: Pressing On or Falling Short of Purpose There are two types of people: those who are pressing on to fulfill their purpose, and those who are pacing themselves and falling short.

From FSU Basketball to building faith, family, and fitness, Ron Miller Jr. lives what it means to press on with purpose.

Show Notes:

In Episode 2 of The Two Types of People, author, trainer, pastor, husband, and father Ron Miller Jr. joins host Pat Sitkins to talk about the true meaning of purpose-driven living.

Ron’s journey has always been about more than titles. A former Florida State basketball player, he went on to build a career in fitness and personal training — while never losing sight of his calling as a long-time pastor, family leader, and mentor.

This conversation goes deep into what it means to keep pressing forward when coasting is the obviously easier path. Ron shares why purpose must be pursued with discipline, how faith shapes every decision he makes, and why family always remains at the center of his vision.

Highlights:

  • Lessons learned on the court at Florida State with future Hall of Famers 

  • Why fitness and faith intersect in surprising ways

  • The long game of pressing on vs. pacing yourself

  • Leading as a husband, father, and pastor

  • Building a purpose-driven life that inspires others

  • The cost of settling short of your calling

Bonus Round: What does Determination mean to Ron?

“Determination is that daily decision to keep pressing — not because it’s easy, but because you know your purpose depends on it.”

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Tue, 19 Aug 2025 15:46:00 +0000 pat@adaptivejax.com (Pat Sitkins) https://thedeterminedsociety.com/pat-sitkins/ There are two types of people: those who are pressing on to fulfill their purpose, and those who are pacing themselves and falling short.

From FSU Basketball to building faith, family, and fitness, Ron Miller Jr. lives what it means to press on with purpose.

Show Notes:

In Episode 2 of The Two Types of People, author, trainer, pastor, husband, and father Ron Miller Jr. joins host Pat Sitkins to talk about the true meaning of purpose-driven living.

Ron’s journey has always been about more than titles. A former Florida State basketball player, he went on to build a career in fitness and personal training — while never losing sight of his calling as a long-time pastor, family leader, and mentor.

This conversation goes deep into what it means to keep pressing forward when coasting is the obviously easier path. Ron shares why purpose must be pursued with discipline, how faith shapes every decision he makes, and why family always remains at the center of his vision.

Highlights:

  • Lessons learned on the court at Florida State with future Hall of Famers 

  • Why fitness and faith intersect in surprising ways

  • The long game of pressing on vs. pacing yourself

  • Leading as a husband, father, and pastor

  • Building a purpose-driven life that inspires others

  • The cost of settling short of your calling

Bonus Round: What does Determination mean to Ron?

“Determination is that daily decision to keep pressing — not because it’s easy, but because you know your purpose depends on it.”

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Ron Miller Jr.: Pressing On or Falling Short of Purpose Pat Sitkins 00:34:51 There are two types of people: those who are pressing on to fulfill their purpose, and those who are pacing themselves and falling short. From FSU Basketball to building faith, family, and fitness, Ron Miller Jr. lives what it means to press on with purpose. Show Notes: In Episode 2 of The Two Types of People, author, trainer, pastor, husband, and father Ron Miller Jr. joins host Pat Sitkins to talk about the true meaning of purpose-driven living. Ron’s journey has always been about more than titles. A former Florida State basketball player, he went on to build a career in fitness and personal training — while never losing sight of his calling as a long-time pastor, family leader, and mentor. This conversation goes deep into what it means to keep pressing forward when coasting is the obviously easier path. Ron shares why purpose must be pursued with discipline, how faith shapes every decision he makes, and why family always remains at the center of his vision. Highlights: Lessons learned on the court at Florida State with future Hall of Famers  Why fitness and faith intersect in surprising ways The long game of pressing on vs. pacing yourself Leading as a husband, father, and pastor Building a purpose-driven life that inspires others The cost of settling short of your calling Bonus Round: What does Determination mean to Ron? “Determination is that daily decision to keep pressing — not because it’s easy, but because you know your purpose depends on it.” There are two types of people: those who are pressing on to fulfill their purpose, and those who are pacing themselves and falling short. From FSU Basketball to building faith, family, and fitness, Ron Miller Jr. lives what it means to press on with purpose. Show Notes: In Episode 2 of The Two Types of People, author, trainer, pastor, husband, and father Ron Miller Jr. joins host Pat Sitkins to talk about the true meaning of purpose-driven living. Ron’s journey has always been about more than titles. A former Florida State basketball player, he went on to build a career in fitness and personal training — while never losing sight of his calling as a long-time pastor, family leader, and mentor. This conversation goes deep into what it means to keep pressing forward when coasting is the obviously easier path. Ron shares why purpose must be pursued with discipline, how faith shapes every decision he makes, and why family always remains at the center of his vision. Highlights: Lessons learned on the court at Florida State with future Hall of Famers  Why fitness and faith intersect in surprising ways The long game of pressing on vs. pacing yourself Leading as a husband, father, and pastor Building a purpose-driven life that inspires others The cost of settling short of your calling Bonus Round: What does Determination mean to Ron? “Determination is that daily decision to keep pressing — not because it’s easy, but because you know your purpose depends on it.” false full 2 9a321f90-670c-11f0-9051-6b3c7d866ba9 Patric Young: Humble or Humbled “There are two types of people: those who are humble… and those who are going to be humbled.”

From the Final Four to life-altering adversity, the former UF star and SEC analyst shares what it means to rebuild with purpose.


In the premiere episode of The Two Types of People, former Florida Gators standout and SEC Network analyst Patric Young joins host Pat Sitkins to unpack what it means to live with authenticity, purpose, and perspective—especially when life doesn’t go to plan.

From nearly making multiple Final Fours to sustaining a spinal cord injury that changed everything, Patric walks us through his journey with unshakable honesty. He shares how Coach Billy Donovan humbled him early on, why positivity is a daily rep-based discipline, and how helping others has become his greatest form of strength.

This isn’t a comeback story. It’s a call to show up—even when your path breaks wide open.

- Growing up as “the next Dwight Howard”

- The power of repetition and small drills

- Life in a chair, not defined by it

- What the obstacle gave him that basketball couldn’t

- Starting The Patric Young Foundation

- The difference between resilience and resistance

Bonus Round:

What does Determination mean to Patric?

“Every decision we make is a vote for the person we want to be. You can’t flip a switch—you train determination daily, like reps. Like a shell drill.”


Follow: Patric on Instagram and X or inquire about having him at your next speaking engagement

Follow: The Patric Young Foundation or learn more about their mission.

Purchase: Sit to Rise

#PatricYoung #TToP #TwoTypesOfPeople #TheDeterminedSociety #PodcastLaunch #UFbasketball #Humility #Determination #inspiration #humble #MindsetMatters #PatSitkins

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Wed, 23 Jul 2025 10:00:00 +0000 pat@adaptivejax.com (Pat Sitkins) https://thedeterminedsociety.com/pat-sitkins/ “There are two types of people: those who are humble… and those who are going to be humbled.”

From the Final Four to life-altering adversity, the former UF star and SEC analyst shares what it means to rebuild with purpose.


In the premiere episode of The Two Types of People, former Florida Gators standout and SEC Network analyst Patric Young joins host Pat Sitkins to unpack what it means to live with authenticity, purpose, and perspective—especially when life doesn’t go to plan.

From nearly making multiple Final Fours to sustaining a spinal cord injury that changed everything, Patric walks us through his journey with unshakable honesty. He shares how Coach Billy Donovan humbled him early on, why positivity is a daily rep-based discipline, and how helping others has become his greatest form of strength.

This isn’t a comeback story. It’s a call to show up—even when your path breaks wide open.

- Growing up as “the next Dwight Howard”

- The power of repetition and small drills

- Life in a chair, not defined by it

- What the obstacle gave him that basketball couldn’t

- Starting The Patric Young Foundation

- The difference between resilience and resistance

Bonus Round:

What does Determination mean to Patric?

“Every decision we make is a vote for the person we want to be. You can’t flip a switch—you train determination daily, like reps. Like a shell drill.”


Follow: Patric on Instagram and X or inquire about having him at your next speaking engagement

Follow: The Patric Young Foundation or learn more about their mission.

Purchase: Sit to Rise

#PatricYoung #TToP #TwoTypesOfPeople #TheDeterminedSociety #PodcastLaunch #UFbasketball #Humility #Determination #inspiration #humble #MindsetMatters #PatSitkins

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available at all major retailers.

]]> Patric Young: Humble or Humbled Pat Sitkins 00:38:33 “There are two types of people: those who are humble… and those who are going to be humbled.” From the Final Four to life-altering adversity, the former UF star and SEC analyst shares what it means to rebuild with purpose. In the premiere episode of The Two Types of People, former Florida Gators standout and SEC Network analyst Patric Young joins host Pat Sitkins to unpack what it means to live with authenticity, purpose, and perspective—especially when life doesn’t go to plan. From nearly making multiple Final Fours to sustaining a spinal cord injury that changed everything, Patric walks us through his journey with unshakable honesty. He shares how Coach Billy Donovan humbled him early on, why positivity is a daily rep-based discipline, and how helping others has become his greatest form of strength. This isn’t a comeback story. It’s a call to show up—even when your path breaks wide open. - Growing up as “the next Dwight Howard” - The power of repetition and small drills - Life in a chair, not defined by it - What the obstacle gave him that basketball couldn’t - Starting The Patric Young Foundation - The difference between resilience and resistance Bonus Round: What does Determination mean to Patric? “Every decision we make is a vote for the person we want to be. You can’t flip a switch—you train determination daily, like reps. Like a shell drill.” Follow: Patric on Instagram and X or inquire about having him at your next speaking engagement Follow: The Patric Young Foundation or learn more about their mission. Purchase: Sit to Rise #PatricYoung #TToP #TwoTypesOfPeople #TheDeterminedSociety #PodcastLaunch #UFbasketball #Humility #Determination #inspiration #humble #MindsetMatters #PatSitkins “There are two types of people: those who are humble… and those who are going to be humbled.” From the Final Four to life-altering adversity, the former UF star and SEC analyst shares what it means to rebuild with purpose. In the premiere episode of The Two Types of People, former Florida Gators standout and SEC Network analyst Patric Young joins host Pat Sitkins to unpack what it means to live with authenticity, purpose, and perspective—especially when life doesn’t go to plan. From nearly making multiple Final Fours to sustaining a spinal cord injury that changed everything, Patric walks us through his journey with unshakable honesty. He shares how Coach Billy Donovan humbled him early on, why positivity is a daily rep-based discipline, and how helping others has become his greatest form of strength. This isn’t a comeback story. It’s a call to show up—even when your path breaks wide open. - Growing up as “the next Dwight Howard” - The power of repetition and small drills - Life in a chair, not defined by it - What the obstacle gave him that basketball couldn’t - Starting The Patric Young Foundation - The difference between resilience and resistance Bonus Round: What does Determination mean to Patric? “Every decision we make is a vote for the person we want to be. You can’t flip a switch—you train determination daily, like reps. Like a shell drill.” Follow: Patric on Instagram and X or inquire about having him at your next speaking engagement Follow: The Patric Young Foundation or learn more about their mission. Purchase: Sit to Rise #PatricYoung #TToP #TwoTypesOfPeople #TheDeterminedSociety #PodcastLaunch #UFbasketball #Humility #Determination #inspiration #humble #MindsetMatters #PatSitkins false full 1