Host Francois Ajenstat kicks off the conversation by exploring how Aparna’s unconventional journey has shaped the leadership approach she brings to her daily work at Vercel. Aparna also reflects on the early days of Kubernetes, her time at McKinsey, and what it means to go from building for users to building with users. 

You’ll hear how Vercel is redefining developer experience with frameworks like Next.js and tools like v0, and why product agility, not long-term roadmaps, is now the cornerstone of innovation. Francois and Aparna also cover future challenges and opportunities enterprises are facing as a result of unfaltering AI usage. 

Whether you’re shipping code in the AI era or leading platform strategy at scale, this episode delivers hard-won lessons on product velocity, strategic clarity, and building what’s next.

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Guest Bio

Aparna Sinha is Senior Vice President of Product at Vercel, where she leads product strategy across performance, developer experience, and AI-driven tooling. With over a decade of experience building developer platforms, she is known for bridging cutting-edge infrastructure with intuitive product design.

Previously, Aparna spent nearly ten years at Google, leading teams behind Google Kubernetes Engine (GKE) and developer tools for Google Cloud. She holds a PhD in Electrical Engineering from Stanford University and advises startups through Pear VC, with a focus on AI/ML, cloud, and dev tools.

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“My passion is technology, and that often starts with understanding what the fundamental breakthrough is. Once I understand that, it becomes a lot easier to talk to a customer about what it could mean for them. That requires sitting in their shoes, really knowing their environment, their goals, and the pressures they face. Then you marry that technical insight to user need, and that’s where the real value gets created.” – Aparna Sinha

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Time Stamps  

00:00 Episode Start

01:50 Aparna's unconventional career path

06:20 Applying lessons from the cloud revolution to today's world

11:45 Finding your passion

16:20 Vercel's journey from Next.js to V0

19:10 Staying in touch with what is now

20:45 Roadmaps are no longer written in pen

23:00 Leapfrogging of models

28:00 Aparna's "Oh Sh*t Moment"

34:00 Advice for building in the AI era

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Links

• Connect with Aparna Sinha on LinkedIn
• Check out Vercel
• Connect with Francois Ajenstat on LinkedIn
• Check out Amplitude

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With 700+ customers in 70+ countries, Eleanor shares how Luminance evolved from early machine learning back in 2015 to where it is today, employing sophisticated AI agents that automate contract review, negotiation, and compliance workflows. Throughout their conversation, Francois and Eleanor highlight different strategies for building user trust. Some are complex: using multiple models at once to check one another’s work and reduce hallucinations. Some are simple: if your models can’t deliver an answer with confidence, let the human know so they can verify.

You’ll also hear Eleanor discuss how her team uses AI across the business, why speed is a competitive advantage, and what it means to lead a global company outside Silicon Valley.

Whether you’re building AI in a high-stakes domain or leading transformation in a legacy industry, this episode offers practical insights on trust, innovation, and scaling with purpose.

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Guest Bio

Eleanor is CEO of Luminance. Formerly a Director at cyber-AI leader Darktrace, she established and scaled Darktrace’s operations in Africa before serving as Global Head of the Darktrace Industrial Division. Eleanor has a wealth of experience in growing technology businesses, having driven Luminance’s global expansion and led the company’s $75 million Series C funding round in 2025. Named in Management Today’s “35 Women Under 35,” Eleanor is also the winner of Law.com’s prestigious ‘Innovation Trailblazer Award.’ She also serves on Luminance’s Board of Directors.

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“I always ask: why can’t AI do this first? Then we figure out what the human should do. The speed advantage is massive. Not just for delivery, but for getting the feedback loop faster, and that is gonna set you up for success. Speed has always been important, but in this new era that everyone’s operating in, I would say it’s probably one of the most important things.” – Eleanor Lightbody

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Time Stamps  

00:00 Episode Start

01:23 What is Luminance?

02:34 Why specialized AI is primed for legal teams

07:20 The largest roadblocks to widespread adoption

09:52 How do you measure success?

11:56 Building confidence across your organization

14:50 Staying ahead of the curve

18:06 Eleanor's journey to Luminance

22:12 Optimize for learning

24:07 Leading globally

26:56 Advice for aspiring CEOs

31:15 Eleanor's "Oh Sh*t Moment"

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Links

• Connect with Eleanor Lightbody on LinkedIn
• Check out Luminance
• Connect with Francois Ajenstat on LinkedIn
• Check out Amplitude

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Host Francois Ajenstat gets things going through an exploration of how AI is currently transforming Indeed in both its offerings and the way its teams work every day. Hannah explains a focus on balancing rapid experimentation with thoughtful change management, and why building role-specific skills has been key to adoption thus far.

You’ll hear how Indeed trains teams across engineering, sales, and marketing to use AI tools effectively, how a “Lego block” approach helps them stay flexible in a fast-moving space, and why human judgment still sits at the center of AI-powered hiring.

Hannah also shares lessons on creating safe spaces for experimentation, overcoming resistance to new tools, and leading large-scale change without losing trust. Whether you’re scaling AI in a global enterprise or navigating your first AI initiatives, this episode offers a practical blueprint for transformation at speed.

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Guest Bio

Hannah is a VP of Product at Indeed, where she leads the AI for Indeed team. Her team focuses on enabling everyone at Indeed to effectively build and use AI tools and preparing the organization for the Future of Work. She also chairs the cross-company AI steering committee, which is tasked with ensuring Indeed is moving quickly and responsibly to deploy AI to drive business outcomes. 

Previously, Hannah led Indeed's long-term innovation team and built out Indeed’s GenAI Lab. She has focused her career on building innovation systems that deliver benefits to people's daily lives—initially in pharma and medtech and for the last 10 years in software, with a focus on fintech, legal tech, and HR tech. 

Hannah holds degrees from Harvard College and Stanford's Graduate School of Business. She serves as a Venture Partner for Purpose Built Ventures and sits on the board of edtech nonprofit Economic Mobility Systems.

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"We sort of think of the world like we're building an architecture with Lego blocks. And so you've got your moderation block, and right now we have one or multiple solutions, either first party or third party, for moderation. But we're building the system so that if two years from now there's a much better way to do moderation, we can effectively pull that block out and stick a different block in. So we are architecturally optimizing for flexibility under the assumption that the choice that’s right today is almost certainly not going to be the choice in three years." – Hannah Calhoon

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Time Stamps  

00:00 Episode Start

01:25 Hannah's AI role at Indeed 

04:45 How to implement AI tooling internally

08:30 Overcoming resistance and gaining trust

11:40 Think of AI strategy like building Lego

13:40 You don't always need the latest and greatest

16:30 Who should be responsible for AI strategy?

18:50 The unintentional impact of AI

21:50 Supercharging humans with AI tools

26:15 Change management in driving AI adoption

29:30 Is the danger of bad actors worth losing sleep over?

35:10 Hannah's "Oh Sh*t Moment"

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Links

• Connect with Hannah Calhoon on LinkedIn
• Check out Indeed
• Connect with Francois Ajenstat on LinkedIn
• Check out Amplitude

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Host Francois Ajenstat opens up the conversation by asking how Diego’s unique journey has led him to where he is today. Making the jump from automation to AI, Diego shares how his time at UiPath shaped his approach to building with speed and rigor. 

You’ll hear how WRITER’s marketing team stays agile in a fast-evolving category, why human-led engagement still wins in an AI-first world, and how to empower customers to evangelize change from within.

Diego also shares lessons on hiring for adaptability, partnering deeply with your product teams, and making storytelling a competitive advantage. Whether you’re leading go-to-market for a scaling SaaS company or navigating the enterprise AI wave, this episode delivers practical strategies for marketing leadership in motion.

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Guest Bio

Diego Lomanto is a B2B product and marketing expert with 20 years of experience in global enterprise software. He is currently the CMO at WRITER, where he has been since 2024. 

He is adept at building and leading product and marketing organizations and is a graduate of the NYU Stern School of Business with an MBA and a specialization in strategy and marketing. His specialties include B2B and SaaS, strategy and competitive analysis, product innovation and development, go-to-market strategy, brand vision and positioning, and digital marketing. 

He is skilled in demand generation and funnel optimization, product marketing, and sales enablement. He also acts as Startup Advisor/Investor.

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“What I love about what AI has done is, it helps people and companies get started and it helps them scale, and that middle part is where the magic happens. You're giving the humans much more time, bandwidth, and opportunity to focus on the magical part of marketing. The creativity, the story you want to tell, the people-oriented parts of the job. And you're able to do that because AI is giving you the tools to generate a lot of ideas. When you're ready to take something to market, scaling it is so much easier and faster than before.” – Diego Lomanto

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Time Stamps  

00:00 Episode Start

01:50 How WRITER is transforming the world

03:50 Diego's journey from automation to AI

06:30 Marketing AI with human success stories

11:45 A commitment to reinvention

14:35 Culture is critical at fast-pace organizations

19:00 Maintaining core principles amidst product evolution

20:40 How WRITER delivers above and beyond

23:30 Merging best in class technology with a forward looking culture

25:30 Real opportunities for AI in marketing

31:30 Product marketing alignment

35:00 Diego's journey to the CMO seat

38:45 Diego's "Oh Sh*t" Moment

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Links

• Connect with Diego Lomanto on LinkedIn
• Check out WRITER
• Connect with Francois Ajenstat on LinkedIn
• Check out Amplitude

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Francois and April frame their conversation by first exploring her background with hypergrowth orgs such as Twitter and Slack, unpacking key learnings around what it takes to scale your own skills alongside your company. You’ll hear her thoughts around leading with clarity, building trust with your founders, and navigating technology paradigm shifts such as GenAI.

Additionally, April offers sharp insights into how product teams can stay grounded during uncertainty, how design becomes a competitive advantage during inflection points, and what she looks for in early-stage founders as a venture investor. Whether you’re investing in the next unicorn or building it from the ground up, this episode provides grounded frameworks and hard-earned lessons for you to follow.

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Guest Bio

April Underwood is the Managing Director and Co-Founder of Adverb Ventures, with a focus on investing in various sectors and stages such as Future of Work, Consumer Health, and Developer Tools. 

She has held significant roles at companies like Slack as Chief Product Officer and Twitter as Director of Product, demonstrating her expertise in product management and strategic partnerships.

Underwood's career highlights include co-founding #ANGELS and Nearby, as well as serving on the boards of Zillow Group and Eventbrite, showcasing her strong leadership skills and strategic vision in the tech industry.

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Guest Quote

“We should all be looking at AI and thinking that if everything we have worked hard to do in the past is now becoming commoditized, then I either need to fire these tools up and get into the mindset of somebody that comes to this with a fresh set of eyes, or I need to be on the side of building tools that are a part of the evolution.” – April Underwood

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Time Stamps  

00:00 Episode Start

01:45 April's jump from Twitter to Slack

06:15 Decision making within a hypergrowth organization

09:15 Aligning your organization around the North Star

12:20 Creating a winning Founder-CPO relationship

17:40 How April views the AI future

23:00 AI has created two worlds in Silicon Valley

25:15 The "It-Factor" in emerging startups

30:55 Looking back on April's career trajectory

34:00 The importance of community

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Links

• Connect with April Underwood on LinkedIn
• Check out Adverb Ventures
• Connect with Francois Ajenstat on LinkedIn
• Check out Amplitude

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Their conversation takes a look at the design systems, rituals, and philosophies that supercharge one of the world’s most engaging apps. With prior experience at other brand leaders like Lyft and Cash App, Yudi presents a strong case for how design can operate beyond visuals and become a force for product strategy, organizational alignment, and business growth.

You’ll learn about Yudi’s "60% brain share" framework for team collaboration, how Duolingo runs product reviews directly with the CEO in 10-minute slots, and what it takes for designers to build influence upstream. Whether you’re leading a growth team or launching new features, this episode offers real insights into making design central to product success.

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Guest Bio

Yudi Sun is head of design for Duolingo's Growth org, the team that created the Duolingo streak, leaderboards, friendship mechanics, notifications and more. Before this, she led an app-wide redesign at Cash App, created products for drivers at Lyft, and started her career as an illustrator.

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Guest Quote

“Design is at the forefront of our ability to build products. It really occupies just about the same role as a product lead does. And it's usually part of the perfect trio of engineering, product, and design when it comes to figuring out what are we trying to do, how are we going to get there, and what does good look like.” – Yudi Sun

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Time Stamps  

00:00 Episode Start

02:20 The role of design inside Duolingo

4:50 Sharing tasks & goals to collaborate effectively 

08:25 How to implement this strategy

11:35 Is misalignment inevitable at some point?

15:45 Yudi's definition of craft

18:15 Where Duolingo sits on the design spectrum

21:30 What a more traditional company can take from Duolingo's approach

26:00 Making decisions for all to see

35:50 Yudi's "Oh Sh*t" Moment

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Links

• Connect with Yudi Sun on LinkedIn
• Check out Duolingo
• Connect with Francois Ajenstat on LinkedIn
• Check out Amplitude

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Daniel offers an inside look at Notion AI’s rapid development, revealing how a CEO-driven push transformed into a revenue-generating product just a month after ChatGPT launched. He highlights the importance of balancing excitement about these new AI tools with a clear understanding of their limitations. Daniel also encourages organizations to adopt AI broadly, not just within specialized teams.

Daniel & Francois also explore the evolving role of data leadership in SaaS, emphasizing why data teams need to move beyond being simple service providers. Whether you’re leading AI projects or building data-driven products, Daniel’s insights provide valuable guidance for leaders navigating the fast-changing AI landscape.

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Guest Bio

Daniel Sternberg is a seasoned data science and AI executive. He currently advises startups as a fractional data and AI executive, helping organizations build high-performing data teams and leverage AI for product and operational excellence. Prior, he served as Head of Data at Notion where he guided the company through a period of rapid user growth and pioneered the launch of advanced AI-powered features. 

His leadership was instrumental in scaling Notion’s data infrastructure and integrating generative AI capabilities into the platform, supporting both product innovation and business expansion. His career is marked by a commitment to data-driven decision-making, technical leadership, and the thoughtful integration of AI into everyday tools.

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Guest Quote

"There's this idea that AI features can be prioritized and shipped like any other product feature, but there's an added dimension: does it actually work? You don't know if it works until you build it. So you should never promise a ship date until you're confident in the quality. The tech has to prove itself first, and only then should you align marketing or product engineering behind it." – Daniel Sternberg

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Time Stamps  

00:00 Episode Start

02:00 The role of a SaaS data leader 

07:40 How the data function will evolve

16:40 Building Notion AI

20:40 Launching with a flood of interest

22:50 Don't quit while you're ahead

24:45 The power of a CEO Founder

27:30 Prioritizing speed and flexibility 

31:10 Lessons learned from the Notion AI launch

27:20 Democratizing AI responsibility

40:55 Daniel's "Oh Sh*t Moment"

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Links

• Connect with Daniel Sternberg on LinkedIn
• Connect with Francois Ajenstat on LinkedIn
• Check out Amplitude

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Throughout the episode, Brent argues for connecting your marketing efforts to the real world. When trying to evaluate how Telstra appeared to consumers, his team ran surveys asking Australians to draw, not write, what they thought of the organization. Similarly, he consistently advocates for running live experiments to validate your approaches in real time. 

The episode also explores how Brent aligns teams around a unified brand vision with tools created in house, such as “Telstra’s Creative Dial,” to help measure and guide creative output. He stresses the value of a distinct brand voice and explains why starting with a small, focused team helps nurture new ideas.

Drawing on his transition from agency life to leading Telstra’s marketing, Brent offers a fresh perspective on keeping creativity alive in a corporate setting. His commitment to hands-on idea generation and real-world testing over pre-market research makes this episode essential for anyone seeking meaningful brand transformation.

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Guest Bio

A leading global marketer and a passionate speaker on creativity, brand and culture, Brent Smart is Chief Marketing Officer of Australia's second most valuable brand, Telstra.

Previously, Brent spent five years as CMO of Australian insurance giant IAG, where his work on NRMA Insurance took it from 36th strongest brand in Australia to 5th, winning 3 Gold effectiveness awards and the coveted Grand Effie in 2021. Mark Ritson wrote that “NRMA is not just a fantastic Australian case study, it could be taught at Harvard or Stanford and positions Brent Smart as the most accomplished CMO in Australia and one of the best in the world”.

Before becoming a marketer, Brent spent 20 years in the advertising business, leading New Zealand Agency of the Decade Colenso BBDO and rising to CEO of Saatchi and Saatchi New York, winning many Cannes Lions and other global creative awards.

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Guest Quote

“ Brand is a multiplier for performance marketing. When the brand is strong, the performance marketing actually works better. We've seen our short term ROIs actually go up, not go down. The brand doesn't just help with this quarter's numbers, it helps with next quarter’s and beyond. And once you give it time to start building, you can start showing that not just the brand metrics are healthy, also our short term performance metrics are healthy. But you need time. It's not gonna show in the first quarter. You gotta wait.” – Brent Smart

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Time Stamps  

00:00 Episode Start

2:00 The power of brand

05:10 Evaluating your brand

08:35 Finding your brand voice

12:10 Building conviction within your organization

15:05 Start experimenting in the real world

17:40 Leading by doing

19:45 Taxi or Bus Meeting

22:00 What does a good pitch feel like?

27:35  Discipline liberates creativity

30:00 Can you teach taste?

34:20 Brent's journey to CMO

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Links

• Connect with Brent Smart on LinkedIn
• Check out Telstra
• Connect with Francois Ajenstat on LinkedIn
• Check out Amplitude

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Their conversation covers the challenges and strategies for building a startup within a larger organization, and why you would even do it in the first place. Edik highlights how a smaller, resource-limited team can align themselves much closer with their users, ensuring each line of code they produce serves a clear purpose. 

Francois & Edik also touch on the role Product Managers should be serving within organizations and how they compare and contrast across various company sizes. One glaring similarity in Edik’s mind? The importance of maintaining a beginner’s mindset. In his words “ experience is important…but we as product managers must assume that we don't know and we need to test our hypotheses.”

Finally, Edik shares his thoughts around risk and failure. He stresses that more organizations should be comfortable with potential failure in order to foster an environment full of experimentation. Through each iteration, your team will gain learned experiences that will lay the groundwork for your next big success.

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AppsFlyer Update 

Since we recorded this episode, the journey Edik discusses of building what's essentially a startup within AppsFlyer is bearing fruit, with AppsFlyer's Data Collaboration Platform being used across several industries -- including quick commerce, consumer packaged goods, and financial services. The results for early adopters are impressive: marketing campaigns for brands using the product have seen up to 400% return on their ad spend and significant performance uplifts for their businesses. The partnerships embody what we talked about regarding the advantages of building a startup within an established company — leveraging AppsFlyer's resources, credibility and relationships while maintaining the innovative spirit and customer focus that drives true product-market fit. It's a real-world example of transforming concept into practice, process into product, and experience into measurable success.

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Guest Bio

Edik Mitelman is the General Manager of Privacy Cloud at AppsFlyer, an ecosystem collaboration and innovation environment which preserves end-user privacy. Edik is an experienced executive with previous leadership roles at Autodesk, Wochit, and Conduit. He also runs the Venture Creation and Product Innovation program as part of the GMBA at Reichman University.

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Guest Quote

 ”As product managers, we must do what customers need. So if you sold it and you don't care anymore, you will never care for that customer any longer, until maybe the renewal time comes up. I want my PMs to constantly worry about their customers, and to constantly deliver value throughout the year. So that people use our products more and more.” – Edik Mitelman

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Time Stamps  

00:00 Episode Start

01:45 When Edik left engineering for product

03:50 Maintaining a beginner's mindset

05:20 How the role of product varies between organizations

08:25 Building multiple startups within a single orga nization

10:15 Edik's work on AppsFlyer Privacy Cloud

13:45 The advantages that come from a startup mentality

17:05 Measuring success

20:55 Ensuring your team is rowing together 

24:40 Failure breeds success 

32:45 Are GMs for everyone?

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Links

• Connect with Edik Mitelman
• Check out AppsFlyer
• Check out the AppsFlyer Privacy Cloud
• Connect with Francois Ajenstat on LinkedIn
• Check out Amplitude

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Carlos founded Product School in 2014 with a vision of democratizing access to education and has since grown the community to over 2M members. He reflects upon what ingredients have led to the organization’s success alongside what he may have done differently if given the opportunity again. Ultimately though, Product School is   proof that community matters regardless of the business you are in.

Additionally, Francois and Carlos talk about The Product Podcast and how impactful it has been in tandem with Product School. With over 260 interviews featuring product executives from brands such as Nike, the NBA, Duolingo, and Amplitude, Carlos has had the opportunity to truly understand the makeup of a great product leader. So right after tuning into Next Gen Builders, check out The Product Podcast!

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Guest Bio

Carlos Gonzalez de Villaumbrosia is an entrepreneur with over 15 years of experience building global companies and digital products.

He founded Product School in 2014, which is the global leader in product training with a community of over two million members. All of Product School's instructors are real-world Product Leaders working at top Silicon Valley companies including Google, Meta, Netflix, Airbnb, Uber, and Amazon. Prior to Product School, he founded Floqq, the largest online education marketplace in Spanish and Portuguese at the time. Floqq joined the 500 Startups and Startup Chile accelerator programs.

Additionally, Carlos co-authored the Amazon bestseller The Product Book, and has participated as a speaker in more than 1,000 events, conferences, and classes around the world. Outside of work, he loves skiing and playing tennis.

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Guest Quote

" Community is a term that is now being overused and sometimes misunderstood as, 

‘Oh, let's just start giving something away with an expectation of getting something in return.’ 

And I think that kind of defeats the definition of a community. True, you as a business need to have a business model to keep the lights on and grow, but building a community to me is a strategy, it's not a tactic. To me that meant I'm going to build something for the long term. I have a mission which is helping people build better products and democratize access to education in ways that some of the people that actually benefit from the community might never be able to pay economically. 

And I'm okay with that. And so it starts from that mindset, without obviously forgetting about the business model. That is how I think of community, as a strategy.” – Carlos Gonzalez de Villaumbrosia

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Time Stamps  

00:00 Episode Start

01:45 What is Product School?

04:00 How Carlos was able to scale 

08:05 Lessons learned along the way

10:55 Creating & measuring meaningful communities

14:30 The Product Podcast

18:00 What makes a great product leader

21:10 Transforming with AI effectively

26:20 Overcoming doubts and hesitations

29:40 Carlos' advice for others leaning into innovations 

33:20 Maintaining flexibility throughout a transformation

34:50 What Product School is focused on in 2025

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Links

• Connect with Carlos Gonzalez de Villaumbrosia on LinkedIn
• Check out Product School
• Watch The Product Podcast
• Connect with Francois Ajenstat on LinkedIn
• Check out Amplitude

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When Hubert Palan founded Productboard, he had one goal: Help companies make better product decisions by understanding their customers on a deeper level. Now, with over 6,000 companies—like Zoom, Salesforce, and Toyota—using the product management platform, it’s clear that customer obsession is more than just a buzzword for Hubert and the Productboard team; it’s the driving force behind their business.

Throughout their conversation, you’ll hear about why customer obsession matters, the art of prioritizing customer feedback, and how AI enhances customer understanding. Hubert also dives into the lessons learned related to balancing customer feedback, prioritizing product roadmaps, and sometimes saying “no” to customers to best serve them.

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Guest Bio

Hubert Palan is Founder and CEO of Productboard, the customer-centric product management platform that helps organizations get the right products to market, faster. Over 6,000 companies, including Toyota, Microsoft, Zoom, Volkswagen, and UiPath, use Productboard to understand what customers need, prioritize what to build next, and align everyone around their roadmap. The company has raised a total of $262M and is headquartered in San Francisco with additional offices around the world.

Hubert received his MBA from the University of California, Berkeley and MSc. in Computer Science from Czech Technical University. He lives in the San Francisco Bay area with his wife, Jenna, and their three kids.

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Guest Quote

"For a company to be really customer-centric, everybody at the company needs to share that understanding of what is it that the people need. And that's where you really reach the goal of being customer obsessed as a company." – Hubert Palan

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Time Stamps  

00:00 Episode Start

01:06 The origins of Productboard

03:09 How to make your company truly customer centric

05:25 Measuring the success of your efforts

10:56 The power of staying aligned to your roadmap

16:08 Tying your decision making directly to your users' feedback

18:48 Avoiding recency bias

21:56 Why you need to dedicate time to information sharing

27:37 Knowing when to listen

34:09 How AI will shape the Next Gen Builder

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Links

• Connect with Hubert Palan on LinkedIn
• Check out Productboard
• Connect with Francois Ajenstat on LinkedIn
• Check out Amplitude

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The duo unravel the complexities behind scaling tech platforms at a global level and their conversation covers M&A, the blending of data with people, and how teams can connect despite the distance between them.

Drawing inspiration from Mike Tyson's memorable quote, 'Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth,' Damien shares candid insights into navigating the unpredictable world of product management and constant adaptation. He sheds light on the team’s ambitious goal for CANAL+ to rank among the top five streaming platforms worldwide within five years and covers the intricate strategies involved in achieving this feat.

With a mix of humor and deep expertise, Damien dives into how tapping into local market nuances and fostering human connections can transform challenges into innovative solutions. Tune in to hear about the many facets of mergers and acquisitions, from balancing a myriad of technologies to integrating diverse teams while keeping everyone invested in a shared vision. Francois and Damien explore not just the technical hurdles, but the paramount importance of understanding the people behind the technology, making this episode a must-listen for any aspiring product leader looking to make their mark in the tech industry.

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Guest Bio

Damien Delautier serves as the Chief Product Officer at CANAL+, a prominent media and pay-TV operator with over 20 million subscribers globally. Under his leadership, CANAL+ has undergone a significant transformation in its product development approach, shifting from traditional methods to a more data-driven strategy. Delautier emphasizes the importance of understanding user behavior to enhance the myCANAL application, which has become a focal point for improving user retention and engagement. His initiatives have led to a threefold increase in conversion rates, showcasing the effectiveness of leveraging analytics and insights in product design and user experience.

At the VivaTech Paris conference, Delautier highlighted CANAL+'s advancements in automating video production and enhancing fan experiences through artificial intelligence. By collaborating with WSC Sports, CANAL+ has developed an innovative system for creating and distributing sports highlights across various platforms, including social media and their mobile app. This AI-driven technology not only streamlines content creation but also opens new avenues for revenue generation, reflecting Delautier's vision of integrating technology into the core of CANAL+'s operations.

Delautier's commitment to fostering a data-centric culture within CANAL+ has empowered cross-functional teams to make informed decisions based on real-time analytics. By promoting a collaborative environment where UX, engineering, and product teams work together, he has facilitated rapid prototyping and testing, which are crucial for adapting to the fast-paced media landscape. His leadership is pivotal in driving CANAL+'s ongoing efforts to innovate and enhance the overall user experience, ensuring the company remains competitive in the evolving digital market.

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Guest Quote

“Every success story that you hear, it's retro engineering. When you hear about success, nobody has planned to do it this way, but at the end it has worked. 

It has been a game changer for me to understand that nobody knows what they're doing, and what makes the difference between something that's success or fail is just, they have tried and never given up. 

It's all about building this path. Nothing will happen the way we have planned it. So we need to have this strong vision, and we want to have a great product. We don't know how we get there, but we need to build this journey.” – Damien Delautier

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Time Stamps  

00:00 Episode Start

01:27 Damien's Background

02:18 The history of CANAL+

04:00 M&A as a core growth strategy

06:56 How to manage both the tech and people of new businesses

09:41 Why it's critical to focus on the human aspect

13:26 Building connections in a distributed world

15:59 Being comfortable with the unknown

19:23 How to blend data with creativity

22:12 Adapting features to specific cultures

27:56 Leveraging data to sift through all the noise

29:39 Aha moments from Damien's career

33:01 Damien's Oh Sh*t Moment

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Links

• Connect with Damien Delautier on LinkedIn
• Check out CANAL+
• Connect with Francois Ajenstat on LinkedIn
• Check out Amplitude

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Throughout the conversation Gage and Francois discuss creating a balance between data self-service and governance. Super.com has an innovative approach to embedding data analysts within mission-aligned teams to promote agility and deeper expertise in solving specific business problems while maintaining a centralized data engineering team to ensure robust data infrastructure. You’ll also hear about the inherent challenges and excitements in driving data quality and experimentation. Gage stresses the need for a culture that prioritizes learning and truth-seeking over just achieving expected outcomes, advocating that empowering individuals with the right tools and mindset can spur significant organizational growth.

For those looking to advance their careers in product management or data, Gage's insights offer actionable advice. He highlights the importance of creating a culture of experimentation and continuous improvement, emphasizing the need to iterate and learn from every opportunity, even failures. Overall, the interview encapsulates how having a robust data culture and a flexible, yet structured approach to data management can transform organizations and drive remarkable success.

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Guest Bio

Gage Sonntag is the Sr. Director of Data at Super.com, where he leads initiatives across analytics, business intelligence, data science, and data engineering. With a robust background in data practices, Gage has significantly enhanced the company's data ecosystem, achieving remarkable results such as accelerating testing by 4X and improving customer retention by 90%. His leadership style emphasizes rapid experimentation and democratizing data access, empowering employees to engage with data tools and contribute to innovative solutions.

Before joining Super.com, Gage held key positions at Bond Brand Loyalty and LoyaltyOne, where he honed his expertise in analytics and engineering. He holds a Master’s Degree in Management Analytics from Queen's University and degrees in Chemical Engineering and Chemistry from the University of Saskatchewan. Gage's diverse career path also includes a brief stint as a Brewer, reflecting his multifaceted interests and commitment to blending creativity with data-driven decision-making.

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Guest Quote

“What didn't work for us was to be a part of every single experiment you run. The more that someone can come up with an idea and then, as frictionless as possible, go from that idea to that in-market and getting data, was really powerful for us. We found it's not always the people at the top of the org chart that have the best ideas, but it's really about making it easy for anyone to take an idea from inception to, it's live. 

A good colleague of mine kind of came to me one day and was like, ‘Gage, running experiments is really hard. There's so many buttons to configure. I'm not super sure if I'm doing it right.’

And after that conversation, I made it my mission to be like, ‘Okay, it being hard to run an experiment is not an acceptable barrier to testing something.’ Cause the alternative is you just roll out the things you think are best and likely not what your users think are best.’” – Gage Sonntag

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Time Stamps  

00:00 Episode Start

01:39 Gage's Background

03:12 Oil, beer, data

05:58 What is Super.com?

09:10 Balancing self-service with data governance

11:23 Experimentation at Super.com

14:54 Diving into data quality

16:44 Perfection vs. Speed

20:04 Gage's Oh Shit Moment

24:30 The people side of data

27:36 How to make data teams thrive in a smaller organization

31:02 When small tweaks have large impacts

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Links

• Connect with Gage Sonntag on LinkedIn
• Check out Super.com
• Connect with Francois Ajenstat on LinkedIn
• Check out Amplitude

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Thumbtack is a digital marketplace where homeowners can match with skilled professionals to confidently and easily accomplish their honey-do lists. Alexis shares how the company prioritizes building trust by creating a holistic home maintenance platform, detailing that trust is earned by genuinely caring for user needs, even when it doesn’t immediately benefit the business. This approach has helped Thumbtack extend beyond just connecting users with professionals to supporting them as they tackle home tasks on their own.

Alexis highlights the importance of a beginner’s mindset and continuous learning in product management. Her liberal arts background enables her to synthesize diverse inputs and approach problems with fresh perspectives. For product managers, fostering seamless user experiences and empowering both homeowners and pros is crucial for long-term success and operational efficiency.

Finally, Alexis touches on leadership and team management, emphasizing the importance of personalized coaching and recognition. She believes in adapting management styles to individual team members' needs to create a positive work environment. By focusing on empathy and growth, product managers can build innovative products that truly meet user needs while fostering a thriving team culture.

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Guest Bio

Alexis has been working on products for the past 16 years, looking at the world through her customer's eyes, to build features that make a real impact for them. She is currently leading the experience teams at Thumbtack. 

Before her current role, she spent almost three years at Lyft, leading the teams building the rider experience and later, Lyft Healthcare which included their concierge products. 

She has also worked as a Senior and Group Product Manager at LinkedIn. She worked on the Talent Solutions, Content, Slideshare as well as LinkedIn Profiles and data product teams. Her first product position was as a PM for the Captions Metrics team at Microsoft Bing.

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Guest Quote

“We wanted to create a really holistic, all-in-one place that homeowners could go to care for their home, regardless of whether they decide to use a Thumbtack Pro or not. Maybe it doesn't directly serve our business, but we believe this is the right experience to create for customers. And ultimately that creates the right trust, that right long term relationship with customers.” – Alexis Baird

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Time Stamps  

00:00 Episode Start

01:52 What is Thumbtack?

02:53 The unique path that led Alexis to Product

04:48 Having a learner's mindset

07:35 Serving the specific needs of each side of the business

11:21 Why home maintenance can feel so daunting

13:35 Building trust with your users digitally and physically

16:57 How Thumbtack superpowers local business

21:36  Measuring success

27:20 Alexis' Oh Shit Moment

32:31 Investing back in your employees

35:48 Alexis' most recent home project

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Links

• Connect with Alexis Baird on LinkedIn
• Check out Thumbtack
• Connect with Francois Ajenstat on LinkedIn
• Check out Amplitude

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This week on Next Gen Builders, Francois is joined by Adriana Gil Miner, the CMO of Iterable, the customer communication platform that helps brands deliver joyful experiences with harmonized, individualized, and dynamic communications at scale.

Today’s topic? Managing through crisis. In her over twenty years of experience, Adriana has consistently proven her ability to remain calm through the highs and lows that come with the world of tech. Francois has witnessed her resolute nature firsthand while at Tableau, and he says to her “It doesn't matter what kind of pressure you're under, whether it's your own, your team's, or your business's, it just seems like you're able to deal with it in a very calm and logical way.”

Adri shares how she navigated corporate challenges big and small in her roles at leading major US tech companies like Artefact, Kumulo, and Tableau. Francois joins her to explore her stories and gain insights into why some leaders excel in crisis situations, how she navigates her teams through turbulent times, and get her advice on the best way to move forward afterward. 

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Guest Bio

Adriana (Adri) Gil Miner is the CMO of Iterable, the most complete AI-powered customer communication platform that helps brands like Doordash, Volvo, and Glassdoor activate customers with joyful interactions at scale.

Having over 20 years of technology marketing experience, Adriana brings together the art of storytelling, technology, and marketing to create breakthrough campaigns that build up brands. Previously, Adriana worked with Francois at Tableau, where she headed up the global Brand Communications and Events departments for six years.

Adriana thrives on bringing new technologies to market and has worked on an array of projects from launching Samsung 3D TVs to building digital platforms at American Express to managing a top company growth program called Recurring Payments; and as CMO of Artefact, helped to put the product innovation firm on the map and launch their first spinoff company, 10,000ft.

Adriana studied Mass Communication in her native hometown of Venezuela and obtained a Masters degree in Digital Communication at the University of Washington. She loves to travel and prides herself on discovering and nurturing up-and-coming marketer rockstars.

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Guest Quote

 "Every crisis, as terrible as it is, is a huge opportunity for learning. People show their true colors. The other thing is that it's a huge opportunity for bonding" – Adriana Gil Miner

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Time Stamps  

00:00 Episode Start

01:39 Adri's background

06:20 Maintaining resiliency through it all

11:00 The importance of a clear leader at the helm

15:30 Creating space for your teams to grow

19:18 Different crises, same principles

23:43 Leveraging moments of crisis

26:35 Stronger Together

34:00 How to foster positivity through it all

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Links

• Connect with Adriana Gil Miner on LinkedIn
• Check out Iterable
• The Resiliency & Justice Center (Formerly Vegas Strong)
• Connect with Francois Ajenstat on LinkedIn
• Check out Amplitude

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Sheila shares how she pioneered product-led growth (PLG) at Dropbox to scale the team to 80+ and $1B in revenue, advice for marketing teams hoping to evolve their own PLG efforts, and why she believes the tension between PLG & PLS is solvable within any enterprise. 

There are plenty of insights from throughout Sheila’s career that she shares with Francois including: falling in love with the problem, understanding your audience deeply, and continuously testing hypotheses to drive growth. She stresses the importance of building a data-driven organization and the necessity of clear segmentation and resource allocation when implementing PLG. 

Ultimately, Sheila’s message is clear as she tells the audience to stay curious, continually seek knowledge from others in the industry, and always prioritize understanding and addressing customer needs. This episode is filled with valuable advice for anyone looking to elevate their career in product-led growth, marketing, and data-driven decision-making.

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Guest Bio

Sheila Vashee is the Chief Marketing Officer at Figma, overseeing the GTM + Product Support teams. Prior to joining Figma, Sheila served as CMO at Ethos, a VP of Marketing and Growth at Opendoor, and was the second marketing hire at Dropbox. Sheila is also an advisor at Basis Set Ventures, an early stage investing firm. She started her career as an investment banker at Morgan Stanley and holds an MBA from UC Berkeley and a BA from Stanford in Economics.

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Guest Quote

“The whole company has to be centered around PLG for it to be successful. It has to be how product, growth, marketing, sales, and support are built.” – Sheila Vashee

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Time Stamps 

*(02:00) Sheila's career journey 

*(02:59) Standing out as a founder

*(04:28) How to tell a good story

*(07:25) What is PLG?

*(10:29) Dropbox and how Sheila pioneered PLG

*(17:52) Sheila's Oh Sh*t moment

*(21:59) Can PLG work with enterprise?

*(26:20) What Sheila would do differently in her journey

*(28:37) Exploring PLG dynamics across different companies

*(31:07) Why you need to be data-driven

*(32:22) Structuring a successful growth organization

*(38:07) Sheila's advice for aspiring marketers

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Links

• Connect with Sheila Vashee on LinkedIn
• Check out Figma
• Connect with Francois Ajenstat on LinkedIn
• Check out Amplitude

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Peter shares how he transitioned from investment banking to product management, why he believes the customer is his most important team member, and how others can stay ahead of emerging technologies. 

Throughout the conversation, Peter stresses that talking to customers should be an ongoing process from ideation to launch. This approach not only helps in de-risking products but also ensures that the product meets actual customer needs. Emphasizing that customer empathy is not just a metric but a genuine connection, Peter advises new PMs to think beyond internal advancements and focus on creating products with tangible value for users.

Francois and Peter discuss practical advice for product managers and builders looking to integrate customer feedback seamlessly into their workflows. He shares techniques such as using AI for summarizing customer feedback, editing content, and brainstorming, which can save considerable time and make the customer feedback loop more efficient. Additionally, Peter discusses the need for a PM to understand the entire customer journey, to think creatively, and to break down organizational silos that often hinder product success.

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Guest Bio

Peter Yang is a prominent voice in the product space and is currently the Principal Product Lead at Roblox. With over a decade of experience in product management and marketing, Yang has built an impressive career at companies like Microsoft, Facebook, Twitter, Twitch, Credit Karma, and Reddit. 

At Roblox, Yang focuses on creator success, working to build a future where anyone can create immersive experiences. He has established himself as a thought leader in the product management and creator economy spaces, running a popular newsletter called "Creator Economy" with over 80,000 subscribers, where he shares practical guides and expert interviews to help others level up as product leaders and creators. Yang's focus on helping others take control of their craft, time, and future through product development, AI utilization, and personal branding has made him a respected voice in the industry.

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Guest Quote

“Bottom line, you want to deliver something that you feel proud of when you look back 10 years from now on your career. I want to be able to point to a few products that actually had a big impact and made people's lives better.” – Peter Yang

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Time Stamps 

*(01:37) Peter's journey and transition into product management 

*(04:15) Marketing vs. product roles: Similarities and differences

*(08:08) Peter's key lessons learned

*(11:45) Coaching PMs for success

*(13:10) Evolution of the PM role

*(15:30) Biggest challenges for PMs

*(16:51) Measuring customer engagement

*(19:22) Customers as your most important team members

*(27:30) Product as a craft

*(32:50) Impact of AI on product

*(38:37) Staying ahead of emerging technologies

*(40:07) Future of the product craft

*(42:11) Advice for product builders

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Links

• Connect with Peter Yang on LinkedIn
• Check out Roblox
• Subscribe to Peter’s Newsletter “Creator Economy”
• Connect with Francois Ajenstat on LinkedIn
• Check out Amplitude

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Ashley offers insights from her rich background in both product and marketing, sharing practical advice on how to foster successful collaboration between these two critical business functions.

Throughout her conversation with Francois, Ashley emphasizes the vital importance of customer-centric thinking, advising leaders to focus on solving genuine customer problems rather than falling in love with their own solutions. Additionally, she underscores the necessity of constant learning and cross-functional communication, suggesting that leaders must be well-versed in demonstrating their product's value across varied contexts and to different stakeholders.

Furthermore, Ashley touches on the importance of building a must-have product from day one. In her words, “When the CFO comes to whatever executive you sell to and says, ‘Hey, we need you to cut 2 million in budget.’ [Your product] has to be something that everyone's like, ‘You cannot take this from me. Efficiency will be down, we'll be unhappy, we'll leave the company.’”

Ashley also shares practical advice on balancing visionary storytelling with concrete product development milestones. By weaving customer validation into every step, Ashley illustrates how product leaders can avoid pitfalls and drive sustained innovation.

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Guest Bio

Ashley Kramer is the Chief Marketing and Strategy Officer of GitLab Inc., the DevSecOps Platform. GitLab’s single application helps organizations deliver software faster and more efficiently while strengthening their security and compliance. As CMO and CSO, Ashley leverages her leadership from roles in marketing, product and technology to message and position GitLab as the leading DevSecOps platform through the next stage of growth. She is responsible for GitLab’s product marketing, brand awareness, communications, analyst relations, community, competitive positioning, marketing ops and revenue pipeline generation including all digital and sales development efforts. Ashley also leads the strategy for product-led growth and code contribution to the GitLab platform.

Prior to joining GitLab, Ashley was CPO and CMO of Sisense and has held several post-IPO leadership roles including SVP of Product at Alteryx (NYSE) AYX) where she led the messaging, positioning and roadmap for the Alteryx Analytics Platform and Head of Cloud at Tableau where she led the effort to transform Tableau (now a Salesforce company) to a cloud-first company and ran Tableau Online, their fastest growing product. She also has held various marketing, product and engineering leadership roles at Amazon (NASDAQ) AMZN), Oracle (NYSE) ORCL) and NASA. As a former engineer, Ashley understands and can capitalize on the value of GitLab’s unique ability to solve a deep developer pain point - streamlining the development process and bringing innovative ideas to customers in a quicker and more efficient way. She approaches everything with a customer-first mindset and has a passion for solving the challenge of positioning and messaging software platforms to technical audiences.

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Guest Quote

“I love storytelling. My team is great at it. But customers need to be able to tell the same story, believe it, buy into it. So then we can go bring more prospects along.” – Ashley Kramer

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Time Stamps

*(00:00) Episode Start

*(03:44) Ashley's career journey

*(06:04) Marketing vs. Product: How to be a better leader

*(10:23) How to break new ground and innovate against the norm

*(16:21) Ashely's Oh Sh*t Moment

*(18:29) How to become a must-have product

*(21:10) Strategies for standing out

*(23:26) Company vision vs. reality

*(25:40) Ashley's advice to aspiring product leaders

*(31:01) What Ashley would tell her younger self

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Links

• Connect with Ashley Kramer on LinkedIn
• Check out GitLab
• Connect with Francois Ajenstat on LinkedIn
• Check out Amplitude

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Drew shares his unconventional path that led him to start Fiat Ventures, advice for founders looking to raise capital, and how he strategically builds his team to complement his own strengths and weaknesses.

Throughout the interview, Drew highlights the importance of understanding business models and being able to quickly identify and adapt to market conditions. He advises aspiring founders to ensure their ventures have a generational impact and stresses the critical role of resilience and adaptability in overcoming market challenges. 

You’ll hear Drew delve into the vital role of data in their operations, using both qualitative and quantitative insights to make informed decisions. He discusses how Fiat Growth and Fiat Ventures work perfectly together to evaluate potential investments, ensuring they back companies that are not only innovative but also scalable and sustainable. This episode is filled with valuable advice for anyone looking to elevate their career and navigate the complexities of venture capital and entrepreneurship.

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Guest Bio

Drew Glover is Founding Partner of Fiat Growth and General Partner at Fiat Ventures. After taking a backdoor into the VC ecosystem, Drew is no stranger to the world of growth, technology, and marketing. From his time at Steady where he led marketplace development and growth to Namely, Fjord, and Portal A, he navigated the ins and outs of Go-to-Market strategies and user acquisition. Today Drew works closely with companies like Bestow Life Insurance, Copper Bank and Lemonade on how to provide award winning products, services and acquisition strategies.

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Guest Quote

“You need to show up every day with the same amount of energy. And you need to know that no matter how bad the moment is, as long as you're resilient, there's a way for you to crawl out of that.” – Drew Glover

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Time Stamps 

*(01:11) What inspired Fiat Growth and Fiat Ventures

*(05:52) Drew's unconventional path into venture

*(08:46) Why you need to understand every business model out there

*(10:27) Lessons Drew still takes away from his sports background

*(13:53) Staying relentless 

*(19:13) The art of persuasion

*(22:41) How to determine what's real vs. hype

*(25:38) Don't underestimate the power of team

*(31:19) Where Drew relies on data for Fiat Growth and Fiat Ventures 

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Links

• Connect with Drew Glover on LinkedIn
• Check out Fiat Ventures
• Connect with Francois Ajenstat on LinkedIn
• Check out Amplitude

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Sarah shares her guiding principles, favorite stories, and oh-sh*t moments from throughout her career shattering the glass ceiling as a female executive in tech. 

You’ll hear her colorful stories, like founding the infamous “trailblazer” campaign at Salesforce or the out-of-this-world risk she took in an early job interview. Her conversation offers an entertaining take on career growth that’s invaluable to anyone wanting to elevate their own career. 

Throughout the interview, Sarah underscores the significance of fearless pursuit and authenticity. This mindset, she argues, is crucial for breaking through career barriers and propelling oneself from individual contributor roles to executive leadership. 

The conversation also delves into overcoming challenges and leveraging one's network for growth and support, highlighting the essence of building a strong community. Sarah reflects on her path to becoming a trailblazer, attributing her success to not only her ability to envision and execute change but also to her relentless pursuit of passion and purpose. 

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Guest Bio

Sarah Franklin is the Chief Executive Officer of Lattice. She brings 25+ years of experience leading and scaling companies in tech and has a unique blend of technical knowledge, business acumen, and marketing expertise. Prior to joining Lattice, She spent over 15 years at Salesforce in a variety of executive leadership roles including President Advisory Board, Chief Marketing Officer, EVP Platform and Trailhead. Before Salesforce, she worked at a variety of companies ranging from scaled businesses to scrappy startups.  She holds a dual degree in chemical engineering and biochemistry from Virginia Tech and has been awarded many accolades including Forbes’ Most Influential CMO, “CMO to Watch” by Business Insider, and recipient of the Brand Genius Award from Adweek.

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Guest Quote

“The lesson is believe in yourself, have passion for your mission, don't accept no for an answer, and have a purpose behind what you do. And when you do that, all of the money, success, everything will follow. But the most important is you'll be happy in your job and that is something that money cannot buy.” – Sarah Franklin

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Time Stamps 

*(05:05) Mapping Sarah's journey and goalsetting

*(08:15) Lean into your conviction

*(12:55) Overcoming the critics

*(15:35) Why relationships should be a CEO's number one priority 

*(20:23) What Sarah would tell her younger self

*(22:10) Authenticity, courage, and well-being

*(27:00) Sarah's Oh Sh*t Moment

*(29:24) Being a trailblazer

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Links

• Connect with Sarah Franklin on LinkedIn
• Check out Lattice
• Connect with Francois Ajenstat on LinkedIn
• Check out Amplitude

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Veteran product executive Francois Ajenstat explores how teams connect grand visions to the grit of execution. In his conversations, hear from the most inspiring and prominent product pioneers on the paths they’ve navigated, and lessons they’ve learned on their way to the top. 

Get inspired to think outside the box, break the rules, and build the next generation of cutting-edge digital products. 

This is 

Next Gen Builders—Presented by Amplitude.

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