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Through intimate conversations with elected officials, political commentators, advocates, and community leaders, &quot;What It Takes&quot; unpacks the origin stories behind today&apos;s combative centrists. Together, we explore how they fight successfully in unfriendly territory, win hearts and minds, and overcome elite interests to make life better for all Americans.

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<p>Ambassador Emanuel argues that America has spent 25 years sleepwalking — through the Iraq war, the Great Recession, and the pandemic — and that the people responsible were never held accountable. His solution starts somewhere you might not expect: a Mississippi classroom.</p>
<p>Sarah McCammon spoke with him in Chicago about his diagnosis of the country, the education plan he'd run from elementary school to free community college, how we confront AI anxiety, and why he says it's the crisis neither party takes seriously enough.</p>
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<p>Higgins left a corporate career to run the Peace Corps in Belize, served as a diplomat, then won a county commission seat representing Little Havana. Now she's mayor of one of America's most immigrant-shaped cities.</p>
<p>Sarah McCammon sat down with Mayor Higgins in Miami to talk about building affordable housing, what it actually takes to win Latino voters, and why she's not afraid of the word "capitalist."</p>
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<p>Sherrill is a former Navy pilot and the first female veteran ever elected governor. Sarah McCammon talks to Gov. Sherrill in Trenton about how she actually flipped Trump voters, why she declared a state of emergency for energy prices on day one, and what she would say to Democrats who keep losing.</p>
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      <itunes:summary>What It Takes with Sarah McCammon is Unmoderated News&apos;s flagship podcast that examines the personal stories that shape a new generation of leaders. The first episode premieres Thursday, May 14 featuring an exclusive conversation with New Jersey Governor Mikie Sherrill. </itunes:summary>
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