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Her journalistic memoir <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Pathological-True-Story-Six-Misdiagnoses/dp/0063068680/ref=sr_1_1?crid=E3Y4WC111CS0&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.iE-zdV8Gqrows-wrjRtuKdx6qpqe6RyHrMa7rzUMjqsagIcsix3PzofuhZy0GcYzq4840tS2LjZ5Sbr9HJ-28Y-NhJYu-BwiuF4uIT-lwSCKLcpCHQv2K5B2s52628M14RMUZzB9PorWts_eH-FgpjBPuO0aCAx8ZDxHZ4UbMos.l-s8i5ECATy-bstkFXA2M6r7zHgkhloXlsaUjpcQpgI&dib_tag=se&keywords=sarah+fay+pathological&qid=1715115821&sprefix=sarah+fay+pat%2Caps%2C255&sr=8-1"><i>Pathological: The True Story of Six Misdiagnoses</i></a> (HarperCollins, 2022) was an Apple Best Books pick and was hailed in <i>The New York Times</i> as a “fiery manifesto of a memoir.” Her sequel, <a href="https://www.curedthememoir.com/"><i>Cured: The Memoir</i></a><i>, </i>tells the story of Sarah’s full recovery from serious mental illness and how recovery is possible for everyone.</p><p>She writes for many publications, including<i> The New York Times</i>, <i>The Atlantic</i>, <i>Time</i>, and <i>The Paris Review</i>, where she was an advisory editor. Her essays have been chosen as a Notable Mention in Best American Essays and nominated for Pushcart Prizes. As a teacher, she’s on the faculty at Northwestern University and runs <a href="https://www.writersatwork.net/"><i>Writers at Work</i></a>, a weekly publication with workshops to help creative writers produce their best work on Substack and get paid (very) well to do it. Her master plan is to make Substack the literary center of the universe. </p><p>They talk about the parallels between Sarah’s journey of recovery from misdiagnosis to curing her own serious mental illness and her work teaching Substack writers to think big (and get paid for it). Debbie wanted to know if Sarah’s journey to mental <i>health</i> was connected to her success as a writer AND to her ability and desire to help other writers. The answer is yes. They touch on emotional literacy, the prerequisites for healing from mental illness, how to deal with anxieties as writers, what <a href="https://substack.com/home">Substack </a>is and who it is for, and what Sarah loves most about helping other writers. </p><p> </p><p>//////////</p><p>Don't miss the <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/s/behind-the-scenes">Behind The Scenes</a> for every episode in<a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com"> Debbie's [B]OLD AGE newsletter</a>. </p><p>//////////</p><h3> </h3><h3><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></h3><ul><li><a href="https://sarahfay.org/">Sarah Fay’s website</a></li><li><a href="https://substack.com/home">Substack,</a> the publishing platform dubbed "a new economic engine for culture"</li><li><a href="https://www.writersatwork.net/">Substack Writers at Work</a>, Sarah’s weekly newsletter and community with workshops, a featured expert guide to Substack</li><li>Sarah’s <a href="https://www.curedthememoir.com/">Less and Less of More and More</a>, a Substack featured publication</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Pathological-True-Story-Six-Misdiagnoses/dp/0063068680/ref=sr_1_1?crid=E3Y4WC111CS0&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.iE-zdV8Gqrows-wrjRtuKdx6qpqe6RyHrMa7rzUMjqsagIcsix3PzofuhZy0GcYzq4840tS2LjZ5Sbr9HJ-28Y-NhJYu-BwiuF4uIT-lwSCKLcpCHQv2K5B2s52628M14RMUZzB9PorWts_eH-FgpjBPuO0aCAx8ZDxHZ4UbMos.l-s8i5ECATy-bstkFXA2M6r7zHgkhloXlsaUjpcQpgI&dib_tag=se&keywords=sarah+fay+pathological&qid=1715115821&sprefix=sarah+fay+pat%2Caps%2C255&sr=8-1"><i>Pathological: The True Story of Six Misdiagnoses</i></a> by Sarah Fay (‎HarperOne, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://www.curedthememoir.com/"><i>Cured: The Memoir</i></a> by Sarah Fay, serialized on Substack in 2023</li><li><a href="https://www.npr.org/2022/04/08/1091689595/best-of-diagnosing-mental-health-and-a-molecule-away-from-madness">Best Of: Diagnosing Mental Health and 'A Molecule Away from Madness'</a> (NPR: April 10, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://the1a.org/segments/without-a-biological-basis-how-reliably-can-we-diagnose-and-treat-mental-illness/">Without a biological basis, how reliably can we diagnose and treat mental illness? </a>(NPR: April 2, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://www.thomasinselmd.com/">Thomas Insel, MD</a>, former director of the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) and author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0593298047?tag=randohouseinc7986-20"><i>Healing: Our Path from Mental Illness to Mental Health</i></a><i> </i>(Penguin Press, 2022) where he mentions the 3 Ps Sarah talks about on this episode.</li></ul><p><br /> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLD AGE podcast</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/">[B]OLD AGE newsletter on Substack</a></li><li>Email: thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</li><li>Debbie and Sam’s blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Instagram:<a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil"> @debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn:<a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil"> linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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Her essays have been chosen as a Notable Mention in Best American Essays and nominated for Pushcart Prizes. As a teacher, she’s on the faculty at Northwestern University and runs <a href="https://www.writersatwork.net/"><i>Writers at Work</i></a>, a weekly publication with workshops to help creative writers produce their best work on Substack and get paid (very) well to do it. Her master plan is to make Substack the literary center of the universe. </p><p>They talk about the parallels between Sarah’s journey of recovery from misdiagnosis to curing her own serious mental illness and her work teaching Substack writers to think big (and get paid for it). Debbie wanted to know if Sarah’s journey to mental <i>health</i> was connected to her success as a writer AND to her ability and desire to help other writers. The answer is yes. They touch on emotional literacy, the prerequisites for healing from mental illness, how to deal with anxieties as writers, what <a href="https://substack.com/home">Substack </a>is and who it is for, and what Sarah loves most about helping other writers. </p><p> </p><p>//////////</p><p>Don't miss the <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/s/behind-the-scenes">Behind The Scenes</a> for every episode in<a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com"> Debbie's [B]OLD AGE newsletter</a>. </p><p>//////////</p><h3> </h3><h3><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></h3><ul><li><a href="https://sarahfay.org/">Sarah Fay’s website</a></li><li><a href="https://substack.com/home">Substack,</a> the publishing platform dubbed "a new economic engine for culture"</li><li><a href="https://www.writersatwork.net/">Substack Writers at Work</a>, Sarah’s weekly newsletter and community with workshops, a featured expert guide to Substack</li><li>Sarah’s <a href="https://www.curedthememoir.com/">Less and Less of More and More</a>, a Substack featured publication</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Pathological-True-Story-Six-Misdiagnoses/dp/0063068680/ref=sr_1_1?crid=E3Y4WC111CS0&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.iE-zdV8Gqrows-wrjRtuKdx6qpqe6RyHrMa7rzUMjqsagIcsix3PzofuhZy0GcYzq4840tS2LjZ5Sbr9HJ-28Y-NhJYu-BwiuF4uIT-lwSCKLcpCHQv2K5B2s52628M14RMUZzB9PorWts_eH-FgpjBPuO0aCAx8ZDxHZ4UbMos.l-s8i5ECATy-bstkFXA2M6r7zHgkhloXlsaUjpcQpgI&dib_tag=se&keywords=sarah+fay+pathological&qid=1715115821&sprefix=sarah+fay+pat%2Caps%2C255&sr=8-1"><i>Pathological: The True Story of Six Misdiagnoses</i></a> by Sarah Fay (‎HarperOne, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://www.curedthememoir.com/"><i>Cured: The Memoir</i></a> by Sarah Fay, serialized on Substack in 2023</li><li><a href="https://www.npr.org/2022/04/08/1091689595/best-of-diagnosing-mental-health-and-a-molecule-away-from-madness">Best Of: Diagnosing Mental Health and 'A Molecule Away from Madness'</a> (NPR: April 10, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://the1a.org/segments/without-a-biological-basis-how-reliably-can-we-diagnose-and-treat-mental-illness/">Without a biological basis, how reliably can we diagnose and treat mental illness? </a>(NPR: April 2, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://www.thomasinselmd.com/">Thomas Insel, MD</a>, former director of the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) and author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0593298047?tag=randohouseinc7986-20"><i>Healing: Our Path from Mental Illness to Mental Health</i></a><i> </i>(Penguin Press, 2022) where he mentions the 3 Ps Sarah talks about on this episode.</li></ul><p><br /> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLD AGE podcast</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/">[B]OLD AGE newsletter on Substack</a></li><li>Email: thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</li><li>Debbie and Sam’s blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Instagram:<a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil"> @debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn:<a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil"> linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Today Debbie talks to Patty Ivey about life changes and opportunities opening up for her after being diagnosed with and treated for breast cancer last year. Inspiring doesn’t really cover it as a way to describe Patty. Neither does [b]old, as in [B]OLD AGE. Patty and Debbie go back at least 15 years, when Debbie was a regular at Patty's Down Dog yoga studio in DC. It was always special when Patty, the owner, taught a class. Her classes were different. They offered all the benefits that practicing yoga offers beyond what happens on the mat; with Patty teaching, the class was mind-expanding. She made yoga open up new possibilities for how to live. </p><p>So when Debbie saw Patty posting beautiful, bald photos of herself on her LinkedIn page, she immediately got in touch to find out how she was doing. As Patty explains it, she is using life principles from yoga, which include leaving room for what we don’t know and focusing on something bigger than ourselves, as she looks ahead.  She acknowledges an identity shift that has come with cancer. Some older version of herself is no longer there, but she's okay with that. Like most women, Debbie is terrified of getting breast cancer, but with Patty as a guide (she’s also a mentor and a life coach as well as being a serial entrepreneur), it seems there could be an upside. We hope you are as inspired by this conversation as Debbie was. </p><p> </p><p>//////////</p><p>Don't miss the <i>Behind The Scenes </i> for every podcast episode in Debbie's <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com">[B]OLD AGE newsletter </a>on Substack.</p><p>//////////</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li>Patty’s website: <a href="https://thepattyivey.com/">https://thepattyivey.com/</a></li><li>Patty on LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/pattyivey">https://www.linkedin.com/in/pattyivey</a></li><li>Her studio in DC: <a href="https://www.downdogyoga.com/">https://www.downdogyoga.com/</a></li><li>Her yoga teacher Baron Baptiste: <a href="https://www.baptisteyoga.com/">https://www.baptisteyoga.com/</a></li></ul><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLD AGE podcast</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/">[B]OLD AGE newsletter on Substack</a></li><li>Email: thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</li><li>Debbie and Sam’s blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook:<a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil"> @debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram:<a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil"> @debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn:<a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil"> linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today Debbie talks to Patty Ivey about life changes and opportunities opening up for her after being diagnosed with and treated for breast cancer last year. Inspiring doesn’t really cover it as a way to describe Patty. Neither does [b]old, as in [B]OLD AGE. Patty and Debbie go back at least 15 years, when Debbie was a regular at Patty's Down Dog yoga studio in DC. It was always special when Patty, the owner, taught a class. Her classes were different. They offered all the benefits that practicing yoga offers beyond what happens on the mat; with Patty teaching, the class was mind-expanding. She made yoga open up new possibilities for how to live. </p><p>So when Debbie saw Patty posting beautiful, bald photos of herself on her LinkedIn page, she immediately got in touch to find out how she was doing. As Patty explains it, she is using life principles from yoga, which include leaving room for what we don’t know and focusing on something bigger than ourselves, as she looks ahead.  She acknowledges an identity shift that has come with cancer. Some older version of herself is no longer there, but she's okay with that. Like most women, Debbie is terrified of getting breast cancer, but with Patty as a guide (she’s also a mentor and a life coach as well as being a serial entrepreneur), it seems there could be an upside. We hope you are as inspired by this conversation as Debbie was. </p><p> </p><p>//////////</p><p>Don't miss the <i>Behind The Scenes </i> for every podcast episode in Debbie's <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com">[B]OLD AGE newsletter </a>on Substack.</p><p>//////////</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li>Patty’s website: <a href="https://thepattyivey.com/">https://thepattyivey.com/</a></li><li>Patty on LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/pattyivey">https://www.linkedin.com/in/pattyivey</a></li><li>Her studio in DC: <a href="https://www.downdogyoga.com/">https://www.downdogyoga.com/</a></li><li>Her yoga teacher Baron Baptiste: <a href="https://www.baptisteyoga.com/">https://www.baptisteyoga.com/</a></li></ul><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLD AGE podcast</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/">[B]OLD AGE newsletter on Substack</a></li><li>Email: thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</li><li>Debbie and Sam’s blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook:<a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil"> @debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram:<a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil"> @debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn:<a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil"> linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Debbie speaks with Lyn Slater, a writer and activist and former social media influencer. She spent her mid-60s becoming an icon of fashion, racking up nearly 800,000 Instagram followers, representing huge brands like Ilia Beauty, Kate Spade, Moncler, and Visa (among many others), speaking on fashion panels, and in general living a very public life. Her memoir, “How to Be Old: Lessons in Living Boldly From the Accidental Icon" is just out.</p><p>But… and there’s a big BUT, Lyn has given up that identity and is now, at 70, a writer and hands-on grandmother. She has renounced social media and no longer offers fashion or style tips. In this episode she tells Debbie that she was unhappy at the peak of her influencer career, what she learned from her mother’s decline and death, and how we have to tell the truth about old age to young women. <br /> </p><p>//////////</p><p>Don't miss the Behind The Scenes for every episode in <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com">Debbie's [B]OLD AGE newsletter</a>. </p><p>//////////<br /> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/21/style/lyn-slater-accidental-icon-instagram-influencer.html">At 70, This Instagram Influencer Shows That It’s Never Too Late</a> by Alix Strauss (The New York Times, Feb. 21, 2024)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Be-Old-Lessons-Accidental/dp/0593471792/">How to Be Old: Lessons in Living Boldly From the Accidental Icon</a> by Lyn Slater (Plume, March 12, 2024)</li><li><a href="https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/12/style/lyn-slater-accidental-icon-how-to-be-old/index.html?Date=20240312&Profile=CNN+International">I’m 70 years old — why shouldn’t my clothes convey my sexuality, and sense of style?</a> by Lyn Slater (excerpt from her new book; CNN, March 12, 2024)</li><li><a href="https://www.accidentalicon.com/">AccidentalIcon.com</a></li><li><a href="https://lynslater.substack.com/">Lyn’s Substack newsletter</a></li><li><a href="https://londonwriterssalon.com/">London Writers' Salon</a></li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLD AGE podcast</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/">[B]OLD AGE newsletter on Substack</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li><li>*Credits:**</li><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: Far Out Media</li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debbie speaks with Lyn Slater, a writer and activist and former social media influencer. She spent her mid-60s becoming an icon of fashion, racking up nearly 800,000 Instagram followers, representing huge brands like Ilia Beauty, Kate Spade, Moncler, and Visa (among many others), speaking on fashion panels, and in general living a very public life. Her memoir, “How to Be Old: Lessons in Living Boldly From the Accidental Icon" is just out.</p><p>But… and there’s a big BUT, Lyn has given up that identity and is now, at 70, a writer and hands-on grandmother. She has renounced social media and no longer offers fashion or style tips. In this episode she tells Debbie that she was unhappy at the peak of her influencer career, what she learned from her mother’s decline and death, and how we have to tell the truth about old age to young women. <br /> </p><p>//////////</p><p>Don't miss the Behind The Scenes for every episode in <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com">Debbie's [B]OLD AGE newsletter</a>. </p><p>//////////<br /> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/21/style/lyn-slater-accidental-icon-instagram-influencer.html">At 70, This Instagram Influencer Shows That It’s Never Too Late</a> by Alix Strauss (The New York Times, Feb. 21, 2024)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Be-Old-Lessons-Accidental/dp/0593471792/">How to Be Old: Lessons in Living Boldly From the Accidental Icon</a> by Lyn Slater (Plume, March 12, 2024)</li><li><a href="https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/12/style/lyn-slater-accidental-icon-how-to-be-old/index.html?Date=20240312&Profile=CNN+International">I’m 70 years old — why shouldn’t my clothes convey my sexuality, and sense of style?</a> by Lyn Slater (excerpt from her new book; CNN, March 12, 2024)</li><li><a href="https://www.accidentalicon.com/">AccidentalIcon.com</a></li><li><a href="https://lynslater.substack.com/">Lyn’s Substack newsletter</a></li><li><a href="https://londonwriterssalon.com/">London Writers' Salon</a></li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLD AGE podcast</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/">[B]OLD AGE newsletter on Substack</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li><li>*Credits:**</li><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: Far Out Media</li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>In the Intro to this episode, you'll hear Steven Petrow talking about his sister Julie Petrow’s death last June 2023. After years of battling ovarian cancer, Julie, Steven’s five-years-younger little sister, chose to die in her New Jersey home by drinking a lethal cocktail. She was surrounded by her family. And it was legal. She used a procedure called MAID or medical aid in dying, which is now legal in 10 states in the U.S. plus the district of Columbia.</p><p>But before she died, she made Steven, who is a bestselling author and a contributing columnist for The Washington Post, promise to write about how she chose to die, in order to raise awareness around MAID, a practice that many people don’t know about, or don’t understand, even though it was first legalized in Oregon, almost 30 years ago. </p><p>So Steven did, publishing <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/opinion/medical-aid-death-choice.html">an essay about Julie and her decision in The New York Times</a> a few months ago. It got a huge reception with over 600 comments on the NYT’s site. </p><p>In this episode, Steven explains more:<br /> </p><ul><li>What the term medical aid in dying means and what it is exactly (it used to be called physician assisted suicide, but a physician is NOT present)</li><li>Why he thinks only 9,000 people have availed themselves of the procedure since it first became legalized</li><li>Why it’s mostly used by educated whites (for one thing, the cocktail of lethal drugs cost $700 to $900 and is NOT reimbursable)</li></ul><p><br />This is simply a fascinating episode and Steven is a lovely guest, eloquent, respectful, and informed. It was such a pleasure to have him back on the show. As always, see below for links to his articles and books, including the NYT article, and a link to the first time he was on the show almost three years ago.  </p><p> </p><p>//////////</p><p>Don't miss Debbie's <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/s/behind-the-scenes">Behind The Scenes essay</a> on Substack accompanying every episode of the podcast. </p><p>//////////</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://stevenpetrow.com/">Steven Petrow’s website</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/opinion/medical-aid-death-choice.html">I Promised My Sister I Would Write About How She Chose to Die</a> by Steven Petrow (New York Times, Dec. 28, 2024)</li><li><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2024/02/18/medical-aid-in-dying-details/">A cancer patient had decided how to die. Here's what I learned from her.</a>  by Steven Petrow (Washington Post, Feb. 18, 2024)</li><li><a href="https://www.npr.org/podcasts/1102295354/tradeoffs">NPR podcast with Steven Petrow about MAID</a>  (Feb. 22, 2024)</li><li><a href="https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2024/02/25/1233668101/medical-aid-in-dying-cancer-pain">He didn't want his sister to die. But her suffering helped him understand her choice</a> (NPR, Feb. 25, 2024)</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/24/science/medical-dying-suicide.html">How Aid in Dying Became Medical, Not Moral</a> by Rachel E. Gross (New York Times, Oct. 24, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/At-Peace-Choosing-Death-After/dp/1478917415">At Peace: Choosing a Good Death After a Long Life</a> by Samuel Harrington MD (Grand Central Life & Style; February 2018)</li><li><a href="https://www.compassionandchoices.org/resource/states-or-territories-where-medical-aid-in-dying-is-authorized/">States Where Medical Aid in Dying is Authorized</a></li><li><a href="https://gapyearforgrownups.simplecast.com/episodes/steven-petrow">[B]OLD AGE Podcast S3E24 - Steven Petrow on the Stupid Things He Won’t Do When He Gets Old</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Stupid-Things-Wont-When-Unapologetically/dp/0806541008/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0">Stupid Things I Won't Do When I Get Old: A Highly Judgmental, Unapologetically Honest Accounting of All the Things Our Elders Are Doing Wrong</a> by Steven Petrow (Citadel; June 29, 2021)</li></ul><p><br /><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLD AGE podcast</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/">[B]OLD AGE newsletter on Substack</a></li><li>Email: thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</li><li>Debbie and Sam’s blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook:<a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil"> @debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram:<a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil"> @debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn:<a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil"> linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the Intro to this episode, you'll hear Steven Petrow talking about his sister Julie Petrow’s death last June 2023. After years of battling ovarian cancer, Julie, Steven’s five-years-younger little sister, chose to die in her New Jersey home by drinking a lethal cocktail. She was surrounded by her family. And it was legal. She used a procedure called MAID or medical aid in dying, which is now legal in 10 states in the U.S. plus the district of Columbia.</p><p>But before she died, she made Steven, who is a bestselling author and a contributing columnist for The Washington Post, promise to write about how she chose to die, in order to raise awareness around MAID, a practice that many people don’t know about, or don’t understand, even though it was first legalized in Oregon, almost 30 years ago. </p><p>So Steven did, publishing <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/opinion/medical-aid-death-choice.html">an essay about Julie and her decision in The New York Times</a> a few months ago. It got a huge reception with over 600 comments on the NYT’s site. </p><p>In this episode, Steven explains more:<br /> </p><ul><li>What the term medical aid in dying means and what it is exactly (it used to be called physician assisted suicide, but a physician is NOT present)</li><li>Why he thinks only 9,000 people have availed themselves of the procedure since it first became legalized</li><li>Why it’s mostly used by educated whites (for one thing, the cocktail of lethal drugs cost $700 to $900 and is NOT reimbursable)</li></ul><p><br />This is simply a fascinating episode and Steven is a lovely guest, eloquent, respectful, and informed. It was such a pleasure to have him back on the show. As always, see below for links to his articles and books, including the NYT article, and a link to the first time he was on the show almost three years ago.  </p><p> </p><p>//////////</p><p>Don't miss Debbie's <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/s/behind-the-scenes">Behind The Scenes essay</a> on Substack accompanying every episode of the podcast. </p><p>//////////</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://stevenpetrow.com/">Steven Petrow’s website</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/opinion/medical-aid-death-choice.html">I Promised My Sister I Would Write About How She Chose to Die</a> by Steven Petrow (New York Times, Dec. 28, 2024)</li><li><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2024/02/18/medical-aid-in-dying-details/">A cancer patient had decided how to die. Here's what I learned from her.</a>  by Steven Petrow (Washington Post, Feb. 18, 2024)</li><li><a href="https://www.npr.org/podcasts/1102295354/tradeoffs">NPR podcast with Steven Petrow about MAID</a>  (Feb. 22, 2024)</li><li><a href="https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2024/02/25/1233668101/medical-aid-in-dying-cancer-pain">He didn't want his sister to die. But her suffering helped him understand her choice</a> (NPR, Feb. 25, 2024)</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/24/science/medical-dying-suicide.html">How Aid in Dying Became Medical, Not Moral</a> by Rachel E. Gross (New York Times, Oct. 24, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/At-Peace-Choosing-Death-After/dp/1478917415">At Peace: Choosing a Good Death After a Long Life</a> by Samuel Harrington MD (Grand Central Life & Style; February 2018)</li><li><a href="https://www.compassionandchoices.org/resource/states-or-territories-where-medical-aid-in-dying-is-authorized/">States Where Medical Aid in Dying is Authorized</a></li><li><a href="https://gapyearforgrownups.simplecast.com/episodes/steven-petrow">[B]OLD AGE Podcast S3E24 - Steven Petrow on the Stupid Things He Won’t Do When He Gets Old</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Stupid-Things-Wont-When-Unapologetically/dp/0806541008/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0">Stupid Things I Won't Do When I Get Old: A Highly Judgmental, Unapologetically Honest Accounting of All the Things Our Elders Are Doing Wrong</a> by Steven Petrow (Citadel; June 29, 2021)</li></ul><p><br /><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLD AGE podcast</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/">[B]OLD AGE newsletter on Substack</a></li><li>Email: thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</li><li>Debbie and Sam’s blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook:<a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil"> @debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram:<a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil"> @debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn:<a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil"> linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie talks with Kirsten Powers, a New York Times bestselling author, a liberal columnist and, most recently, an on-air political analyst with CNN. In 2023, after almost two decades, she left what she calls the “media circus” to pursue a different life as a writer and a life coach. Kirsten, who is 56, is [b]old by any definition.</p><p>Prior to CNN she was at Fox (as a liberal voice) and before that she was a columnist for <i>USA Today</i>, <i>The Daily Beast, American Prospect Online,</i> and the <i>New York Post</i>. Her recent bestselling book is <i>Saving Grace: Speak Your Truth, Stay Centered, and Learn to Coexist with People Who Drive You Nuts.</i></p><p>Currently Kirsten writes a very popular newsletter on Substack, called, appropriately, "Changing the Channel." It's about living authentically, unlearning societal conditioning, and how to actually change your life. She published an essay recently about her plan to move to Italy with her husband because, as she put it, the U.S. is unlivable, with school shootings, the frenetic pace of life and because it’s too expensive. Somehow we are societally conditioned to accept this, as if it’s normal. But it’s not, Kirsten emphasizes. The post went viral, hitting a nerve with her many readers. Now she’s working on a book proposal. </p><p>Since leaving her on-air job, Kirsten has been deliberately pursuing what she calls a "more easeful life" that is less striving and less accomplishment-oriented. It includes writing on Substack, which she loves. In this episode she also talks about her transition from evangelical christian to atheist.</p><p> Kirsten is fast thinking and provocative and Debbie loved this conversation with her. </p><p><i>//////////</i></p><p><i>Don't miss the Behind The Scenes for every episode in</i> <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com"><i>Debbie's [B]OLD AGE newsletter</i></a><i>.</i></p><p><i>//////////</i>  </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirsten_Powers">Kirsten Powers - Wikipedia</a></li><li><a href="https://kirstenpowers.com">kirstenpowers.com</a></li><li><a href="https://kirstenpowers.substack.com/">Changing the Channel :</a> Kirsten’s Substack newsletter</li><li><a href="https://kirstenpowers.substack.com/p/the-way-we-live-in-the-united-states">The way we live in the United States is not normal:</a> Kirsten’s viral Substack post about moving to Italy  (Nov. 29, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Saving-Grace-Centered-Coexist-People/dp/0593238230">Saving Grace: Speak Your Truth, Stay Centered, and Learn to Coexist with People Who Drive You Nuts</a> by Kirsten Powers (Convergent Books; Nov. 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/kirsten-powers-an-antiabortion-antiwar-liberal-working-for-fox-news/2015/06/17/65231060-054d-11e5-a428-c984eb077d4e_story.html">Kirsten Powers: A liberal working for Fox News</a> (Washington Post, June 17, 2015)</li><li><a href="https://cpenneagram.com/the-nine-enneagram-types">What are the Nine Enneagram Types?</a></li><li><a href="https://cpenneagram.com/">CP Enneagram</a> where Kirsten is studying for an Enneagram certificate.</li><li><a href="https://www.themyersbriggs.com/en-US/Products-and-Services/Myers-Briggs">Myers-Briggs Type Indicator® (MBTI®)</a></li><li><a href="https://gapyearforgrownups.simplecast.com/episodes/jonathan-merritt">Jonathan Merritt on Personal Transformation and the Complicated Intersection of Faith and Culture:</a>  Season 5, Episode 19 of the podcast.</li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/p/religion-anyone">Behind the Scenes with Jonathan Merritt </a> by Debbie Weil (Substack, July 7, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://kirstenpowers.substack.com/p/my-complicated-feelings-about-tim">My Complicated Feelings About Tim Keller</a> by Kirsten Powers (Substack, May 24, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.meawisdom.com/">MEA: </a>the midlife wisdom school  in Baja, MX and Sante Fe, NM where Debbie and Kirsten met.</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLD AGE podcast</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/">[B]OLD AGE newsletter on Substack</a></li><li><a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty </a>Debbie Weil and husband Sam Harrington’s joint blog</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie talks with Kirsten Powers, a New York Times bestselling author, a liberal columnist and, most recently, an on-air political analyst with CNN. In 2023, after almost two decades, she left what she calls the “media circus” to pursue a different life as a writer and a life coach. Kirsten, who is 56, is [b]old by any definition.</p><p>Prior to CNN she was at Fox (as a liberal voice) and before that she was a columnist for <i>USA Today</i>, <i>The Daily Beast, American Prospect Online,</i> and the <i>New York Post</i>. Her recent bestselling book is <i>Saving Grace: Speak Your Truth, Stay Centered, and Learn to Coexist with People Who Drive You Nuts.</i></p><p>Currently Kirsten writes a very popular newsletter on Substack, called, appropriately, "Changing the Channel." It's about living authentically, unlearning societal conditioning, and how to actually change your life. She published an essay recently about her plan to move to Italy with her husband because, as she put it, the U.S. is unlivable, with school shootings, the frenetic pace of life and because it’s too expensive. Somehow we are societally conditioned to accept this, as if it’s normal. But it’s not, Kirsten emphasizes. The post went viral, hitting a nerve with her many readers. Now she’s working on a book proposal. </p><p>Since leaving her on-air job, Kirsten has been deliberately pursuing what she calls a "more easeful life" that is less striving and less accomplishment-oriented. It includes writing on Substack, which she loves. In this episode she also talks about her transition from evangelical christian to atheist.</p><p> Kirsten is fast thinking and provocative and Debbie loved this conversation with her. </p><p><i>//////////</i></p><p><i>Don't miss the Behind The Scenes for every episode in</i> <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com"><i>Debbie's [B]OLD AGE newsletter</i></a><i>.</i></p><p><i>//////////</i>  </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirsten_Powers">Kirsten Powers - Wikipedia</a></li><li><a href="https://kirstenpowers.com">kirstenpowers.com</a></li><li><a href="https://kirstenpowers.substack.com/">Changing the Channel :</a> Kirsten’s Substack newsletter</li><li><a href="https://kirstenpowers.substack.com/p/the-way-we-live-in-the-united-states">The way we live in the United States is not normal:</a> Kirsten’s viral Substack post about moving to Italy  (Nov. 29, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Saving-Grace-Centered-Coexist-People/dp/0593238230">Saving Grace: Speak Your Truth, Stay Centered, and Learn to Coexist with People Who Drive You Nuts</a> by Kirsten Powers (Convergent Books; Nov. 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/kirsten-powers-an-antiabortion-antiwar-liberal-working-for-fox-news/2015/06/17/65231060-054d-11e5-a428-c984eb077d4e_story.html">Kirsten Powers: A liberal working for Fox News</a> (Washington Post, June 17, 2015)</li><li><a href="https://cpenneagram.com/the-nine-enneagram-types">What are the Nine Enneagram Types?</a></li><li><a href="https://cpenneagram.com/">CP Enneagram</a> where Kirsten is studying for an Enneagram certificate.</li><li><a href="https://www.themyersbriggs.com/en-US/Products-and-Services/Myers-Briggs">Myers-Briggs Type Indicator® (MBTI®)</a></li><li><a href="https://gapyearforgrownups.simplecast.com/episodes/jonathan-merritt">Jonathan Merritt on Personal Transformation and the Complicated Intersection of Faith and Culture:</a>  Season 5, Episode 19 of the podcast.</li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/p/religion-anyone">Behind the Scenes with Jonathan Merritt </a> by Debbie Weil (Substack, July 7, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://kirstenpowers.substack.com/p/my-complicated-feelings-about-tim">My Complicated Feelings About Tim Keller</a> by Kirsten Powers (Substack, May 24, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.meawisdom.com/">MEA: </a>the midlife wisdom school  in Baja, MX and Sante Fe, NM where Debbie and Kirsten met.</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLD AGE podcast</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/">[B]OLD AGE newsletter on Substack</a></li><li><a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty </a>Debbie Weil and husband Sam Harrington’s joint blog</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie talks to Dale Russakoff, a veteran reporter for The Washington Post, a bestselling author, and a classmate from her Harvard/Radcliffe class of 1974. </p><p>They talk about her surprising experience at Harvard as a woman from the South, her distinguished career as a journalist, and the importance of family. </p><p>Debbie knew that Dale had been a reporter for The Washington Post for almost 30 years. And that she is the author of a best-selling book, THE PRIZE. But in this episode she told Debbie something she'd never heard before: what it was like to be a Southern girl at Harvard. Dale, who had a Southern accent then, said she was reluctant to open her mouth at first. </p><p>She'd grown up in Birmingham, AL and when she arrived in Cambridge she learned that the Radcliffe admissions committee hadn’t admitted a woman from the South in many years, unless she had gone to a Northern boarding school. The committee thought girls who grew up and went to school in the South wouldn't have “the values" Radcliffe wanted; i.e. they would be racist.<br /> </p><p>She and Debbie talk about what it was like to be a female student in the man's world of Harvard, how "ambition" fit into her college years and, later, how it related to Dale's career in journalism. They talk about the importance of family, including grandchildren. And how she feels AT. CAPACITY. (i.e. too busy) in semi-retirement, at age 71.</p><p>//////////</p><p>Don't miss Debbie's Substack essay on the topic of being too busy or <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/p/im-at-capacity-this-week?">AT. CAPACITY</a>. </p><p>//////////</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Prize-Whos-Charge-Americas-Schools/dp/0547840055">The Prize: Who's in Charge of America's Schools?</a> By Dale Russakoff (Houghton Mifflin Harcourt; 2015)</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/23/books/review/the-prize-by-dale-russakoff.html">New York Times review of THE PRIZE</a> (Aug. 18, 2015)</li><li>Dale’s reporting about the South when she was a college student: <a href="https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1974/5/13/the-other-lost-cause-pblbegend-has/">The Other Lost Cause</a> (The Harvard Crimson, May 13, 1974)</li><li><a href="https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/books/story/2023-08-17/how-a-girl-in-the-old-south-grew-up-to-be-a-civil-rights-historian-and-a-harvard-president">How a girl in the old South grew up to be a civil rights historian and a Harvard president:</a> a review of a new memoir by <strong>Drew Faust</strong>, President of Harvard from 2007 - 2018 (LA Times, Aug. 17, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2021/06/radcliffe-women-share-their-stories">Radcliffe Women Share Their Stories </a>(Harvard Magazine, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Pusey">Nathan Pusey  </a>President of Harvard from 1953 to 1971:</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matina_Horner">Matina Horner </a>President of Radcliffe College in the 1970s</li></ul><p> </p><p>THE FIRST TWO EPISODES IN THIS TRILOGY:</p><p>Conversations with two more of Debbie's classmates from the Harvard/Radcliffe class of 1974:</p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s4-ep18-alelia-bundles-on-legacy-leadership-and-growing-bolder-at-70/">A'lelia Bundles on Legacy, Leadership and Growing [B]older at 70</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/p/winifred-white-neisser-on-ambition">Winifred White Neisser on Ambition, Embracing 70, and What Comes Next</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLD AGE podcast</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/">[B]OLD AGE newsletter on Substack</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Debbie and Sam’s blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2024 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie talks to Dale Russakoff, a veteran reporter for The Washington Post, a bestselling author, and a classmate from her Harvard/Radcliffe class of 1974. </p><p>They talk about her surprising experience at Harvard as a woman from the South, her distinguished career as a journalist, and the importance of family. </p><p>Debbie knew that Dale had been a reporter for The Washington Post for almost 30 years. And that she is the author of a best-selling book, THE PRIZE. But in this episode she told Debbie something she'd never heard before: what it was like to be a Southern girl at Harvard. Dale, who had a Southern accent then, said she was reluctant to open her mouth at first. </p><p>She'd grown up in Birmingham, AL and when she arrived in Cambridge she learned that the Radcliffe admissions committee hadn’t admitted a woman from the South in many years, unless she had gone to a Northern boarding school. The committee thought girls who grew up and went to school in the South wouldn't have “the values" Radcliffe wanted; i.e. they would be racist.<br /> </p><p>She and Debbie talk about what it was like to be a female student in the man's world of Harvard, how "ambition" fit into her college years and, later, how it related to Dale's career in journalism. They talk about the importance of family, including grandchildren. And how she feels AT. CAPACITY. (i.e. too busy) in semi-retirement, at age 71.</p><p>//////////</p><p>Don't miss Debbie's Substack essay on the topic of being too busy or <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/p/im-at-capacity-this-week?">AT. CAPACITY</a>. </p><p>//////////</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Prize-Whos-Charge-Americas-Schools/dp/0547840055">The Prize: Who's in Charge of America's Schools?</a> By Dale Russakoff (Houghton Mifflin Harcourt; 2015)</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/23/books/review/the-prize-by-dale-russakoff.html">New York Times review of THE PRIZE</a> (Aug. 18, 2015)</li><li>Dale’s reporting about the South when she was a college student: <a href="https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1974/5/13/the-other-lost-cause-pblbegend-has/">The Other Lost Cause</a> (The Harvard Crimson, May 13, 1974)</li><li><a href="https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/books/story/2023-08-17/how-a-girl-in-the-old-south-grew-up-to-be-a-civil-rights-historian-and-a-harvard-president">How a girl in the old South grew up to be a civil rights historian and a Harvard president:</a> a review of a new memoir by <strong>Drew Faust</strong>, President of Harvard from 2007 - 2018 (LA Times, Aug. 17, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2021/06/radcliffe-women-share-their-stories">Radcliffe Women Share Their Stories </a>(Harvard Magazine, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Pusey">Nathan Pusey  </a>President of Harvard from 1953 to 1971:</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matina_Horner">Matina Horner </a>President of Radcliffe College in the 1970s</li></ul><p> </p><p>THE FIRST TWO EPISODES IN THIS TRILOGY:</p><p>Conversations with two more of Debbie's classmates from the Harvard/Radcliffe class of 1974:</p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s4-ep18-alelia-bundles-on-legacy-leadership-and-growing-bolder-at-70/">A'lelia Bundles on Legacy, Leadership and Growing [B]older at 70</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/p/winifred-white-neisser-on-ambition">Winifred White Neisser on Ambition, Embracing 70, and What Comes Next</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLD AGE podcast</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/">[B]OLD AGE newsletter on Substack</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Debbie and Sam’s blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p><i>* This is the last episode in 2023. Back on Jan. 26, 2024! *</i><br /><br />Debbie talks to Mary Pipher, a psychologist and bestselling author of 11 books including the ground-breaking <i>Reviving Ophelia: Saving the Selves of Adolescent Girls.</i>  She was the first psychologist to recognize and articulate why life was difficult for adolescent girls and why so many of them felt bad about themselves.</p><p>More recently, she has written <i>Women Rowing North: Navigating Life’s Currents and Flourishing As We Age,</i> about women navigating the transition from middle age to old age (the topic of this podcast!).</p><p>In 2022, she published a memoir, <i>A Life in Light: Meditations on Impermanence.</i> In her new book, just out in paperback, Mary, now 76, talks about her difficult childhood and her relationship with her parents, the importance of family and community, living in a small town in Nebraska, and what the particular challenges of getting old are. She also talks about forgiveness, about adopting Buddhism and her definition of happiness. Per the title, she’s obsessed with light, through trees, on walks, at certain times of day, in certain rooms, and in memories — and how the light makes her feel happy and complete.</p><p>She says her knowledge about happiness comes from being someone who has struggled with sadness and anxiety much of her life, something that resonates strongly with Debbie.</p><p>This is a great episode. Mary articulates so well what it’s really like to get old and yet still feel so alive.</p><p>//////////<br />Don't miss the <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/p/behind-the-scenes-with-mary-pipher"><i>Behind The Scenes</i> essay on Substack </a>accompanying this episode<br /> //////////</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://marypipher.com/">MaryPipher.com</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Life-Light-Meditations-Impermanence/dp/1639731636/">A Life in Light: Meditations on Impermanence</a> by Mary Pipher (Bloomsbury Publishing paperback edition, Dec. 12, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Reviving-Ophelia-25th-Anniversary-Adolescent/dp/052553704X/">Reviving Ophelia 25th Anniversary Edition: Saving the Selves of Adolescent Girls</a> by Mary Pipher PhD & Sara Gilliam (‎Riverhead Books 2019)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Women-Rowing-North-Navigating-Flourishing/dp/1632869616/">Women Rowing North: Navigating Life's Currents and Flourishing As We Age</a> by Mary Pipher (Bloomsbury Publishing paperback  2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/11/opinion/love-light-winter-darkness.html">Finding Light in Winter</a> by Mary Pipher (Guest Essay for The New York Times, Dec. 11, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://oldster.substack.com/p/this-is-74-mary-pipher-responds-to">This is 74: Mary Pipher Responds to The Oldster Magazine Questionnaire</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/31/arts/31jarvis.html">Jane Jarvis, Player of Jazz and Mets Music, Dies at 94</a> (New York Times, Jan. 30, 2010)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLD AGE podcast</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/">[B]OLD AGE newsletter on Substack</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>* This is the last episode in 2023. Back on Jan. 26, 2024! *</i><br /><br />Debbie talks to Mary Pipher, a psychologist and bestselling author of 11 books including the ground-breaking <i>Reviving Ophelia: Saving the Selves of Adolescent Girls.</i>  She was the first psychologist to recognize and articulate why life was difficult for adolescent girls and why so many of them felt bad about themselves.</p><p>More recently, she has written <i>Women Rowing North: Navigating Life’s Currents and Flourishing As We Age,</i> about women navigating the transition from middle age to old age (the topic of this podcast!).</p><p>In 2022, she published a memoir, <i>A Life in Light: Meditations on Impermanence.</i> In her new book, just out in paperback, Mary, now 76, talks about her difficult childhood and her relationship with her parents, the importance of family and community, living in a small town in Nebraska, and what the particular challenges of getting old are. She also talks about forgiveness, about adopting Buddhism and her definition of happiness. Per the title, she’s obsessed with light, through trees, on walks, at certain times of day, in certain rooms, and in memories — and how the light makes her feel happy and complete.</p><p>She says her knowledge about happiness comes from being someone who has struggled with sadness and anxiety much of her life, something that resonates strongly with Debbie.</p><p>This is a great episode. Mary articulates so well what it’s really like to get old and yet still feel so alive.</p><p>//////////<br />Don't miss the <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/p/behind-the-scenes-with-mary-pipher"><i>Behind The Scenes</i> essay on Substack </a>accompanying this episode<br /> //////////</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://marypipher.com/">MaryPipher.com</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Life-Light-Meditations-Impermanence/dp/1639731636/">A Life in Light: Meditations on Impermanence</a> by Mary Pipher (Bloomsbury Publishing paperback edition, Dec. 12, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Reviving-Ophelia-25th-Anniversary-Adolescent/dp/052553704X/">Reviving Ophelia 25th Anniversary Edition: Saving the Selves of Adolescent Girls</a> by Mary Pipher PhD & Sara Gilliam (‎Riverhead Books 2019)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Women-Rowing-North-Navigating-Flourishing/dp/1632869616/">Women Rowing North: Navigating Life's Currents and Flourishing As We Age</a> by Mary Pipher (Bloomsbury Publishing paperback  2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/11/opinion/love-light-winter-darkness.html">Finding Light in Winter</a> by Mary Pipher (Guest Essay for The New York Times, Dec. 11, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://oldster.substack.com/p/this-is-74-mary-pipher-responds-to">This is 74: Mary Pipher Responds to The Oldster Magazine Questionnaire</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/31/arts/31jarvis.html">Jane Jarvis, Player of Jazz and Mets Music, Dies at 94</a> (New York Times, Jan. 30, 2010)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLD AGE podcast</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/">[B]OLD AGE newsletter on Substack</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie speaks to Winifred White Neisser, a classmate from the Harvard/Radcliffe Class of 1974. Winifred looks back on her career as a television executive in the all-male, all-white Hollywood entertainment industry and talks about what comes next.  Both Debbie and Winifred are looking forward to celebrating their 50th Harvard reunion next year.</p><p>Wini, as her friends call her, is very modest. She doesn’t think of herself as a [b]old woman. So it took Debbie a while to get her to talk about her success as an entertainment executive. She capped her 34-year career as <a href="https://www.thehistorymakers.org/biography/winifred-neisser#">Senior VP of Sony Pictures for Television Movies and Miniseries.</a> Her award-winning projects include the movie <i>A Raisin in the Sun</i> for ABC and <i>Call me Claus</i>, a Christmas movie which starred Whoopi Goldberg.</p><p>It’s her Midwestern upbringing, Wini told Debbie. They don’t brag or show off in Milwaukee, WI where she grew up. She was never propelled by ambition, she told Debbie. Nor did she plan out next steps as she rose to her position as a top exec. But it wouldn’t be accurate to say that her career “just happened.”</p><p>//////////</p><p>Don't miss the <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/p/behind-the-scenes-with-an-ambitious">Behind The Scenes essay on Substack </a>accompanying this episode.</p><p>//////////</p><p>This interview is a story of quiet capability and determination - and underneath, a fierce drive. Debbie was fascinated by her classmate’s story because, with one exception, it’s so different from hers. Debbie married at the absurdly young age of 21 (she was a junior at Harvard). She had her first baby at 25 and two more by age 31. Wini married much later and had her two children in her mid 30s, all the while climbing the TV executive ladder, first at NBC and later at Sony.</p><p>In contrast, Debbie’s early motherhood derailed her career in journalism. She was married to a busy young doctor so someone had to hold down the fort at home. She stepped willingly into that role, but felt a good deal of frustration trying to work part-time as a freelance journalist. Underneath, she had the same fierce drive that Wini had. She just couldn’t express it, career-wise, until some years later.</p><p>As the conversation continued, Debbie realized that fierce drive and determination sum up the common thread she shares with her female classmates from the Harvard/Radcliffe Class of 1974. There were only 300 women (Cliffies, as they were called) in a class of 1,500 students. So they were vastly outnumbered. They were polite about it, but they were all determined to be successful in their chosen fields — both in Harvard’s male-dominated classrooms and later in the world of work. </p><p><br />So much has changed for women in the past 50 years so this conversation with Wini is the first of several Debbie is planning with these [b]old women, her 1974 Radcliffe classmates. </p><p>Note: it’s a bit confusing to explain but Radcliffe was the name of the women’s college that was part of Harvard in the 1970s and earlier, so technically the women attended Harvard/Radcliffe. Radcliffe has now been subsumed by Harvard. And the ratio of women to men in a Harvard class is now 50-50. So much has changed in 50 years.</p><p>Hope you enjoy this compelling conversation with a 70-year-old (b)old woman.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://lesley.edu/">Lesley University</a></li><li><a href="https://www.thehistorymakers.org/biography/winifred-neisser#">Interview with Winifred White Neisser in The Historymakers</a> (Nov. 17, 2013)</li><li>From Season 4, an interview with another accomplished woman of the Harvard/Radcliffe Class of 1974:<a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s4-ep18-alelia-bundles-on-legacy-leadership-and-growing-bolder-at-70/"> A’lelia Bundles on Legacy, Leadership, and Growing Bolder at 70</a></li><li><a href="https://angelcitychorale.org/">Angel City Chorale</a> (Winifred is now the Executive Director)</li><li><a href="https://www.advancedleadership.harvard.edu/">Harvard Advanced Leadership Initiative</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLD AGE podcast</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/">[B]OLD AGE newsletter on Substack</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Debbie and Sam’s blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie speaks to Winifred White Neisser, a classmate from the Harvard/Radcliffe Class of 1974. Winifred looks back on her career as a television executive in the all-male, all-white Hollywood entertainment industry and talks about what comes next.  Both Debbie and Winifred are looking forward to celebrating their 50th Harvard reunion next year.</p><p>Wini, as her friends call her, is very modest. She doesn’t think of herself as a [b]old woman. So it took Debbie a while to get her to talk about her success as an entertainment executive. She capped her 34-year career as <a href="https://www.thehistorymakers.org/biography/winifred-neisser#">Senior VP of Sony Pictures for Television Movies and Miniseries.</a> Her award-winning projects include the movie <i>A Raisin in the Sun</i> for ABC and <i>Call me Claus</i>, a Christmas movie which starred Whoopi Goldberg.</p><p>It’s her Midwestern upbringing, Wini told Debbie. 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Wini married much later and had her two children in her mid 30s, all the while climbing the TV executive ladder, first at NBC and later at Sony.</p><p>In contrast, Debbie’s early motherhood derailed her career in journalism. She was married to a busy young doctor so someone had to hold down the fort at home. She stepped willingly into that role, but felt a good deal of frustration trying to work part-time as a freelance journalist. Underneath, she had the same fierce drive that Wini had. She just couldn’t express it, career-wise, until some years later.</p><p>As the conversation continued, Debbie realized that fierce drive and determination sum up the common thread she shares with her female classmates from the Harvard/Radcliffe Class of 1974. There were only 300 women (Cliffies, as they were called) in a class of 1,500 students. So they were vastly outnumbered. They were polite about it, but they were all determined to be successful in their chosen fields — both in Harvard’s male-dominated classrooms and later in the world of work. </p><p><br />So much has changed for women in the past 50 years so this conversation with Wini is the first of several Debbie is planning with these [b]old women, her 1974 Radcliffe classmates. </p><p>Note: it’s a bit confusing to explain but Radcliffe was the name of the women’s college that was part of Harvard in the 1970s and earlier, so technically the women attended Harvard/Radcliffe. Radcliffe has now been subsumed by Harvard. And the ratio of women to men in a Harvard class is now 50-50. So much has changed in 50 years.</p><p>Hope you enjoy this compelling conversation with a 70-year-old (b)old woman.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://lesley.edu/">Lesley University</a></li><li><a href="https://www.thehistorymakers.org/biography/winifred-neisser#">Interview with Winifred White Neisser in The Historymakers</a> (Nov. 17, 2013)</li><li>From Season 4, an interview with another accomplished woman of the Harvard/Radcliffe Class of 1974:<a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s4-ep18-alelia-bundles-on-legacy-leadership-and-growing-bolder-at-70/"> A’lelia Bundles on Legacy, Leadership, and Growing Bolder at 70</a></li><li><a href="https://angelcitychorale.org/">Angel City Chorale</a> (Winifred is now the Executive Director)</li><li><a href="https://www.advancedleadership.harvard.edu/">Harvard Advanced Leadership Initiative</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLD AGE podcast</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/">[B]OLD AGE newsletter on Substack</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Debbie and Sam’s blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Updated with a new introduction, this is a replay of an atmospheric episode from 2019 when Debbie and Sam studied French in Provence in an immersion program. They planned to go back in 2020 but of course the pandemic intervened. Now, they’ve just completed another week of immersion in Avignon with their favorite French teacher, <a href="https://www.lefrancaischezjulie.com/">Julie Gaudin</a>.</p><p>/////////////</p><p>Don't miss the Substack essay accompanying this episode: <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/p/behind-the-scenes-with-french-debbie">Behind The Scenes With "French Debbie"</a></p><p>/////////////</p><p>In the episode you'll hear accordion music and a few snippets recorded in a cafe where Debbie speaks French. Both she and Sam have a special relationship with France from their adolescent years. And they both have a longstanding bucket list item: to live in France for an extended period in order to practice and improve their French. They both agree you can’t become a true ex-pat in only two weeks but it’s enough time to adopt a daily routine and to make a friend or two at the local boulangerie and at a favorite bar serving artisanal beer. </p><p>Despite their many trips to Paris and other parts of France, they continue to find the French language and French culture both mysterious and alluring.  </p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode and/or useful links for visiting Avignon and Provence</strong></p><ul><li><strong>Séjour linguistique</strong> means staying with a teacher (or prof) in their home for language immersion.</li><li><a href="https://www.lefrancaischezjulie.com/">Julie Gaudin's immersion program in Avignon</a></li><li>A list of other French immersion programs via  <a href="https://www.frenchtoday.com/learn-french-in-france/">FrenchToday.com</a> <i>Note: in the episode Debbie mistakenly refers to the site as FranceToday.</i></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pithiviers">Pithiviers</a> is a town south of France where Sam lived on a farm when he was 18. It was also the site of the infamous Pithiviers internment camp during the Second World War.</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Coll%C3%A8ge-Lyc%C3%A9e_C%C3%A9venol_International">Collège Cévenol</a> in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Chambon-sur-Lignon">Le Chambon-sur-Lignon</a> is where Debbie went to school for a year when she was 14.</li><li><a href="https://www.alliancefr.org/">Alliance Française</a> in Paris</li><li><a href="https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g187212-d3580906-Reviews-L_Atelier_de_Belinda-Avignon_Vaucluse_Provence_Alpes_Cote_d_Azur.html">L’Atelier de Belinda</a> (wonderful tiny restaurant in Avignon)</li><li><a href="https://www.avignon-et-provence.com/en/monuments/covered-market-halles">Les Halles</a>, the famed covered market in Avignon filled with magnificent displays of fish, meat, vegetables, fruit, cheese, olives, bread, lavendar honey, wine and more. Sam discovered “<i>les bulots”</i>: whelks or large snails best eaten alongside raw oysters and with a glass of white wine.</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLD AGE podcast</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/">[B]OLD AGE newsletter on Substack</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Debbie and Sam’s blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li></ul><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul><p> </p>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2023 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Updated with a new introduction, this is a replay of an atmospheric episode from 2019 when Debbie and Sam studied French in Provence in an immersion program. They planned to go back in 2020 but of course the pandemic intervened. Now, they’ve just completed another week of immersion in Avignon with their favorite French teacher, <a href="https://www.lefrancaischezjulie.com/">Julie Gaudin</a>.</p><p>/////////////</p><p>Don't miss the Substack essay accompanying this episode: <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/p/behind-the-scenes-with-french-debbie">Behind The Scenes With "French Debbie"</a></p><p>/////////////</p><p>In the episode you'll hear accordion music and a few snippets recorded in a cafe where Debbie speaks French. Both she and Sam have a special relationship with France from their adolescent years. And they both have a longstanding bucket list item: to live in France for an extended period in order to practice and improve their French. They both agree you can’t become a true ex-pat in only two weeks but it’s enough time to adopt a daily routine and to make a friend or two at the local boulangerie and at a favorite bar serving artisanal beer. </p><p>Despite their many trips to Paris and other parts of France, they continue to find the French language and French culture both mysterious and alluring.  </p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode and/or useful links for visiting Avignon and Provence</strong></p><ul><li><strong>Séjour linguistique</strong> means staying with a teacher (or prof) in their home for language immersion.</li><li><a href="https://www.lefrancaischezjulie.com/">Julie Gaudin's immersion program in Avignon</a></li><li>A list of other French immersion programs via  <a href="https://www.frenchtoday.com/learn-french-in-france/">FrenchToday.com</a> <i>Note: in the episode Debbie mistakenly refers to the site as FranceToday.</i></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pithiviers">Pithiviers</a> is a town south of France where Sam lived on a farm when he was 18. It was also the site of the infamous Pithiviers internment camp during the Second World War.</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Coll%C3%A8ge-Lyc%C3%A9e_C%C3%A9venol_International">Collège Cévenol</a> in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Chambon-sur-Lignon">Le Chambon-sur-Lignon</a> is where Debbie went to school for a year when she was 14.</li><li><a href="https://www.alliancefr.org/">Alliance Française</a> in Paris</li><li><a href="https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g187212-d3580906-Reviews-L_Atelier_de_Belinda-Avignon_Vaucluse_Provence_Alpes_Cote_d_Azur.html">L’Atelier de Belinda</a> (wonderful tiny restaurant in Avignon)</li><li><a href="https://www.avignon-et-provence.com/en/monuments/covered-market-halles">Les Halles</a>, the famed covered market in Avignon filled with magnificent displays of fish, meat, vegetables, fruit, cheese, olives, bread, lavendar honey, wine and more. Sam discovered “<i>les bulots”</i>: whelks or large snails best eaten alongside raw oysters and with a glass of white wine.</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLD AGE podcast</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/">[B]OLD AGE newsletter on Substack</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Debbie and Sam’s blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li></ul><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul><p> </p>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie talks with Rona Maynard, an author, writer, and former VIP, as she puts it. When she left Canada's leading magazine for women as editor-in-chief, she began looking for her next big project. Around this time, her husband suggested getting a dog. She resisted for several years, then relented. When she was 65, they adopted Casey, a two-year-old rescue mutt with an appealing personality.</p><p>He left dog hairs everywhere and peed on her favorite chair the day they brought him home. But the result was an unexpected next new thing, a gradual transformation  of how she is approaching life, and a lovely new book, a memoir, titled <i>Starter Dog.</i></p><p>//////////</p><p>Don't miss the Behind The Scenes essay for each new episode in <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com">Debbie's [B]OLD AGE newsletter</a>. </p><p>//////////</p><p>Of course, the book is not just about her dog. Rona is an extraordinary writer so it is  the woven story of her life as a young woman and a young wife, her ambitions, her relationship to food (and Casey’s), getting older, and how - with Casey leading the way through her Toronto neighborhood - she began to soften and notice more. In the book she illuminates how taking Casey for daily walks ultimately made her a better person. She pulls the past and present together, and, engagingly, includes quotations from two of Debbie's favorite poets: Emily Dickinson and Gerard Manley Hopkins.</p><p>Rona learns how to be kind (kindness was not stressed when she was growing up in a household full of ambition), how to befriend strangers and the homeless, how to appreciate the details of changing seasons and the outdoors (after working at a desk for so many years), how to be more patient, and how to live in the moment.</p><p>Because of course while she was growing old - eight years pass - her dog was growing older. Casey is now 10, while Rona's in her mid-70s, and he’s teaching her how to embrace old age. Just take it one walk, one squirrel, one bowl of dog food (two if you’re lucky), and one day at a time.</p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Starter-Dog-Belonging-Loving-World/dp/1770417230/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2A8S44KWQG1XH&keywords=starter+dog+rona+maynard&qid=1698798365&sprefix=rona+maynard%2Caps%2C182&sr=8-1">Starter Dog: My Path to Joy, Belonging and Loving This World</a> by Rona Maynard (ECW Press, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/My-Mothers-Daughter-Rona-Maynard-ebook/dp/B0035JEPCM/">My Mother's Daughter: a Memoir </a> by Rona Maynard (McClelland & Stewart, 2009)</li><li><a href="https://ronamaynard.com/">RonaMaynard.com</a></li><li>Rona's new Substack newsletter: <a href="https://ronamaynard.substack.com/">Amazement Seeker</a></li><li>Poet <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_Dickinson">Emily Dickinson</a></li><li>Poet <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerard_Manley_Hopkins">Gerard Manley Hopkins</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLD AGE podcast</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/">[B]OLD AGE newsletter on Substack</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Debbie and Sam’s blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Welcome back to Season 6! You might’ve noticed that we changed the name of the show to more accurately reflect the focus, which is to explore the transition from midlife to old age. [B]OLDER seemed a bit too general, so it's now [B]OLD AGE. Given our ageist society, it requires [b]oldness to say proudly, "I am old." This season our goal is to be even more honest and vulnerable about what it’s like as the clock ticks away.</p><p>For this first episode, Debbie is joined by her husband, Sam Harrington, a popular recurring guest who is known for his dry humor. He's a retired physician and an author.</p><p>They start by talking about how aging has suddenly accelerated for both of them, in their early 70s. Sam says he can see his <a href="https://www.genome.gov/genetics-glossary/Telomere#">telomeres</a> fraying when he looks in the mirror. He notes that only a decade ago they still looked remarkably young in photos. (<a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/p/bold-age-podcast-s6-e1-behind-the">See photo </a>accompanying this episode; in 2014 Debbie and Sam were hanging out in Madagascar with lemurs.)</p><p>//////////</p><p>Don't miss the accompanying Behind The Scenes essay for this new episode in <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com">Debbie's [B]OLD AGE newsletter</a>.</p><p>//////////</p><p>They also talk about the long vigil of accompanying a dying parent and how that affects your own sense of old age; how health span has noticeably increased in the past 50 years;  and what the stunning demographic shift to an aging society will mean. By 2030, there will be more adults over 65 than children under 18. </p><p>Debbie notes the parallel between the acceleration of aging and the acceleration of global warming. At first the changes are slow and hardly noticeable. Then they happen all at once, like this past summer.</p><p>But the conversation veers back to the physiological fact of aging. Sam's favorite mantra is that "80 might be the new 60, but 86 is the new 85." The current research to better understand and to slow aging may be too late to benefit them, Sam says.</p><p>  </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li>Definition of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heuristic">heuristic</a></li><li>Definition of <a href="https://www.genome.gov/genetics-glossary/Telomere#">telomeres</a></li><li><a href="https://www.economist.com/leaders/2023/09/28/living-to-120-is-becoming-an-imaginable-prospect?">Living to 120 is becoming an imaginable prospect </a>(The Economist, Sept. 28, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/07/16/world/world-demographics.html">How a Vast Demographic Shift Will Reshape the World </a>(The New York Times, July 16, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/10/02/the-washington-gerontocracy">The Washington Gerontocracy</a> (The New Yorker, September 24, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://samharrington.com/at-peace/">AT PEACE: Choosing a Good Death After a Long Life</a> by Samuel Harrington MD (Hachette, 2018)</li><li>Earlier podcast episode: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s5-ep7-andrew-steele-on-research-at-the-cellular-level-to-slow-aging/">S5-EP7: Andrew Steele on Research at the Cellular Level That Could Slow Aging</a></li><li>Sam’s summer project: <a href="https://www.islandworkforcehousing.org/">Island Workforce Housing</a> on Deer Isle, Maine.</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLD AGE podcast</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/">[B]OLD AGE newsletter on Substack</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Debbie & Sam's joint blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome back to Season 6! You might’ve noticed that we changed the name of the show to more accurately reflect the focus, which is to explore the transition from midlife to old age. [B]OLDER seemed a bit too general, so it's now [B]OLD AGE. Given our ageist society, it requires [b]oldness to say proudly, "I am old." This season our goal is to be even more honest and vulnerable about what it’s like as the clock ticks away.</p><p>For this first episode, Debbie is joined by her husband, Sam Harrington, a popular recurring guest who is known for his dry humor. He's a retired physician and an author.</p><p>They start by talking about how aging has suddenly accelerated for both of them, in their early 70s. Sam says he can see his <a href="https://www.genome.gov/genetics-glossary/Telomere#">telomeres</a> fraying when he looks in the mirror. He notes that only a decade ago they still looked remarkably young in photos. (<a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/p/bold-age-podcast-s6-e1-behind-the">See photo </a>accompanying this episode; in 2014 Debbie and Sam were hanging out in Madagascar with lemurs.)</p><p>//////////</p><p>Don't miss the accompanying Behind The Scenes essay for this new episode in <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com">Debbie's [B]OLD AGE newsletter</a>.</p><p>//////////</p><p>They also talk about the long vigil of accompanying a dying parent and how that affects your own sense of old age; how health span has noticeably increased in the past 50 years;  and what the stunning demographic shift to an aging society will mean. By 2030, there will be more adults over 65 than children under 18. </p><p>Debbie notes the parallel between the acceleration of aging and the acceleration of global warming. At first the changes are slow and hardly noticeable. Then they happen all at once, like this past summer.</p><p>But the conversation veers back to the physiological fact of aging. Sam's favorite mantra is that "80 might be the new 60, but 86 is the new 85." The current research to better understand and to slow aging may be too late to benefit them, Sam says.</p><p>  </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li>Definition of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heuristic">heuristic</a></li><li>Definition of <a href="https://www.genome.gov/genetics-glossary/Telomere#">telomeres</a></li><li><a href="https://www.economist.com/leaders/2023/09/28/living-to-120-is-becoming-an-imaginable-prospect?">Living to 120 is becoming an imaginable prospect </a>(The Economist, Sept. 28, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/07/16/world/world-demographics.html">How a Vast Demographic Shift Will Reshape the World </a>(The New York Times, July 16, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/10/02/the-washington-gerontocracy">The Washington Gerontocracy</a> (The New Yorker, September 24, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://samharrington.com/at-peace/">AT PEACE: Choosing a Good Death After a Long Life</a> by Samuel Harrington MD (Hachette, 2018)</li><li>Earlier podcast episode: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s5-ep7-andrew-steele-on-research-at-the-cellular-level-to-slow-aging/">S5-EP7: Andrew Steele on Research at the Cellular Level That Could Slow Aging</a></li><li>Sam’s summer project: <a href="https://www.islandworkforcehousing.org/">Island Workforce Housing</a> on Deer Isle, Maine.</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLD AGE podcast</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/">[B]OLD AGE newsletter on Substack</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Debbie & Sam's joint blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>When Debbie started this podcast almost five years ago, she was as she puts it "a mere 67." Old age seemed very far away. Now it doesn’t.</p><p>So this season we’re focusing on the lived experience of old age. What’s it really like? What are the truths, both positive and negative, about moving from midlife to old age? How do you OWN being old in a society that devalues and even denigrates old people? </p><p>//////////</p><p>Don't miss the BTS (behind-the-scenes) for every episode in <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com">Debbie's [B]OLD AGE newsletter</a>.</p><p>//////////</p><p>We’ll still talk about things like finding purpose and redefining retirement. But we’ll also look at the upside of slowing down; for example, "being" vs. "doing" when you’ve been driven by ambition your whole life. </p><p>The point is to bring you honest and vulnerable dispatches of the ordinary and the profound. And so this little tweak in the name: it’s now the [B]OLD AGE podcast because it takes courage and [b]oldness to move gracefully from midlife into old age. </p><p>We hope what we talk about here will help you on your own transition into [b]old age, wherever you are now. Maybe you're young and worrying about becoming middle-aged. Or you're in midlife and looking ahead.</p><p>As always, send comments or questions to <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a>.  And check out Debbie's new <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/">[B]OLD AGE newsletter </a>where you can get the BTS (behind-the-scenes) on each episode of the podcast, read her personal essays, get writing tips, and more. You can leave your comments on every Substack post. Debbie promises to respond.  </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLD AGE podcast</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/">[B]OLD AGE newsletter on Substack</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog with her husband Sam: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li></ul><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Debbie started this podcast almost five years ago, she was as she puts it "a mere 67." Old age seemed very far away. Now it doesn’t.</p><p>So this season we’re focusing on the lived experience of old age. What’s it really like? What are the truths, both positive and negative, about moving from midlife to old age? How do you OWN being old in a society that devalues and even denigrates old people? </p><p>//////////</p><p>Don't miss the BTS (behind-the-scenes) for every episode in <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com">Debbie's [B]OLD AGE newsletter</a>.</p><p>//////////</p><p>We’ll still talk about things like finding purpose and redefining retirement. But we’ll also look at the upside of slowing down; for example, "being" vs. "doing" when you’ve been driven by ambition your whole life. </p><p>The point is to bring you honest and vulnerable dispatches of the ordinary and the profound. And so this little tweak in the name: it’s now the [B]OLD AGE podcast because it takes courage and [b]oldness to move gracefully from midlife into old age. </p><p>We hope what we talk about here will help you on your own transition into [b]old age, wherever you are now. Maybe you're young and worrying about becoming middle-aged. Or you're in midlife and looking ahead.</p><p>As always, send comments or questions to <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a>.  And check out Debbie's new <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/">[B]OLD AGE newsletter </a>where you can get the BTS (behind-the-scenes) on each episode of the podcast, read her personal essays, get writing tips, and more. You can leave your comments on every Substack post. Debbie promises to respond.  </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLD AGE podcast</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/">[B]OLD AGE newsletter on Substack</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog with her husband Sam: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li></ul><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie brings her husband <a href="https://samharrington.com/at-peace/">Sam Harrington</a> back on the show to wrap up another [B]OLDER season.</p><p>You'll hear their 11-year-old granddaughter Ruthie talking about her recent trip with them to the Swiss Alps. Definitely a high point of the season and of the past year. </p><p>A lot has happened during Season 5 of [B]OLDER: Debbie and Sam celebrated their 50th anniversary while they were in San Miguel de Allende in Mexico. Then, right after that, Debbie's 92-year-old mother died unexpectedly, prompting a lot of memories, much appreciation, and a blunt reminder of life’s finitude.</p><p>We re-ran episodes with some of our most popular guests who talked about psychedelic therapy and about Covid’s place in the history of plagues. </p><p> </p><p>*****</p><p><strong>NEW!</strong> <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/about">Read and subscribe to Debbie's Substack.</a><br />Substack is the new home for Debbie's newsletter. She offers behind-the-scenes commentary on the latest episodes of the podcast. She also writes from a personal perspective about entering <i>the land of the old </i>at 71.</p><p>*****</p><p> </p><p>In Season 5 Debbie talked to new guests about cellular research on aging, about helping elderly parents plan ahead, what UNretirement is really like, and one of her all-time favorite interviews: a conversation with famed New York Times health columnist Jane Brody about what she learned from a half century at the Times. And finally, renowned writer and speaker Jonathan Merritt eloquently explained God and religion to Debbie, a non-church person.</p><p>In this wrap-up you’ll hear Sam - hopefully not slurping his coffee but maybe a little - and teasing Debbie about "jumping right in." (She likes that podcast expression; he does not.)</p><p>This is the finale of Season 5 of the [B]OLDER podcast. Have a great summer, thank you for listening, and we’ll be back in the fall.</p><p>In the meantime, <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/about">find Debbie on Substack</a> where she writes about <i>what it's really like to grow old(er)?</i></p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li>S5-EP8: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s5-ep8-debbie-sam-on-50-years-of-marriage-gratitude-celebration-and-grief/">Debbie & Sam on 50 Years of Marriage</a></li><li>S5-EP19: <a href="https://gapyearforgrownups.simplecast.com/episodes/jonathan-merritt">Jonathan Merritt on Personal Transformation and the Complicated Intersection of Faith and Culture</a></li><li>S5-EP6: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s5-ep6-jane-brody-on-life-and-lessons-from-a-half-century-at-the-new-york-times/">Jane Brody on Life and Lessons From a Half Century at The New York Times</a></li><li>S5-EP7: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s5-ep7-andrew-steele-on-research-at-the-cellular-level-to-slow-aging/">Andrew Steele on Research at the Cellular Level That Could Slow Aging</a></li><li>S5-EP11: <a href="https://gapyearforgrownups.simplecast.com/episodes/bonnie-lee-black">Expat Bonnie Lee Black on the Pros (& Very Few Cons) of Retiring to San Miguel de Allende</a></li><li>S5-EP14: <a href="https://gapyearforgrownups.simplecast.com/episodes/nicholas-christakis-3">Best Of: Plague Expert Nicholas Christakis on Why the Pandemic Will End in 2024</a></li><li>S5-EP17: <a href="https://gapyearforgrownups.simplecast.com/episodes/dr-bree-johnston-2">Best Of: Dr. Bree Johnston on Psilocybin Trips and the Growing Acceptance of Psychedelic Therapy</a></li><li>S5-EP10: <a href="https://gapyearforgrownups.simplecast.com/episodes/star-bradbury">Star Bradbury on How to Successfully Navigate the Care of Elderly Parents</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>More links</strong></p><ul><li>On Debbie's Substack: <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/p/switzerland-with-ruthie">Switzerland with Ruthie: Mind-Bending and Memory-Laden</a></li><li><a href="https://www.backroads.com/">Backroads</a> (the tour company Debbie and Sam used for their trip to Switzerland)</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eiger">The Eiger Mountain</a> which looms over Grindelwald</li><li><a href="https://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/travel-leisure/article/3223744/fans-netflix-k-drama-series-crash-landing-you-mob-swiss-village-iseltwald-where-romantic-scene-was">Crash Landing on You</a> (the popular Korean TV series filmed in Iseltwald, Switzerland)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLDER podcast</a></li><li>Substack: <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/">https://debbieweil.substack.com/</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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Then, right after that, Debbie's 92-year-old mother died unexpectedly, prompting a lot of memories, much appreciation, and a blunt reminder of life’s finitude.</p><p>We re-ran episodes with some of our most popular guests who talked about psychedelic therapy and about Covid’s place in the history of plagues. </p><p> </p><p>*****</p><p><strong>NEW!</strong> <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/about">Read and subscribe to Debbie's Substack.</a><br />Substack is the new home for Debbie's newsletter. She offers behind-the-scenes commentary on the latest episodes of the podcast. She also writes from a personal perspective about entering <i>the land of the old </i>at 71.</p><p>*****</p><p> </p><p>In Season 5 Debbie talked to new guests about cellular research on aging, about helping elderly parents plan ahead, what UNretirement is really like, and one of her all-time favorite interviews: a conversation with famed New York Times health columnist Jane Brody about what she learned from a half century at the Times. And finally, renowned writer and speaker Jonathan Merritt eloquently explained God and religion to Debbie, a non-church person.</p><p>In this wrap-up you’ll hear Sam - hopefully not slurping his coffee but maybe a little - and teasing Debbie about "jumping right in." (She likes that podcast expression; he does not.)</p><p>This is the finale of Season 5 of the [B]OLDER podcast. Have a great summer, thank you for listening, and we’ll be back in the fall.</p><p>In the meantime, <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/about">find Debbie on Substack</a> where she writes about <i>what it's really like to grow old(er)?</i></p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li>S5-EP8: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s5-ep8-debbie-sam-on-50-years-of-marriage-gratitude-celebration-and-grief/">Debbie & Sam on 50 Years of Marriage</a></li><li>S5-EP19: <a href="https://gapyearforgrownups.simplecast.com/episodes/jonathan-merritt">Jonathan Merritt on Personal Transformation and the Complicated Intersection of Faith and Culture</a></li><li>S5-EP6: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s5-ep6-jane-brody-on-life-and-lessons-from-a-half-century-at-the-new-york-times/">Jane Brody on Life and Lessons From a Half Century at The New York Times</a></li><li>S5-EP7: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s5-ep7-andrew-steele-on-research-at-the-cellular-level-to-slow-aging/">Andrew Steele on Research at the Cellular Level That Could Slow Aging</a></li><li>S5-EP11: <a href="https://gapyearforgrownups.simplecast.com/episodes/bonnie-lee-black">Expat Bonnie Lee Black on the Pros (& Very Few Cons) of Retiring to San Miguel de Allende</a></li><li>S5-EP14: <a href="https://gapyearforgrownups.simplecast.com/episodes/nicholas-christakis-3">Best Of: Plague Expert Nicholas Christakis on Why the Pandemic Will End in 2024</a></li><li>S5-EP17: <a href="https://gapyearforgrownups.simplecast.com/episodes/dr-bree-johnston-2">Best Of: Dr. Bree Johnston on Psilocybin Trips and the Growing Acceptance of Psychedelic Therapy</a></li><li>S5-EP10: <a href="https://gapyearforgrownups.simplecast.com/episodes/star-bradbury">Star Bradbury on How to Successfully Navigate the Care of Elderly Parents</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>More links</strong></p><ul><li>On Debbie's Substack: <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/p/switzerland-with-ruthie">Switzerland with Ruthie: Mind-Bending and Memory-Laden</a></li><li><a href="https://www.backroads.com/">Backroads</a> (the tour company Debbie and Sam used for their trip to Switzerland)</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eiger">The Eiger Mountain</a> which looms over Grindelwald</li><li><a href="https://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/travel-leisure/article/3223744/fans-netflix-k-drama-series-crash-landing-you-mob-swiss-village-iseltwald-where-romantic-scene-was">Crash Landing on You</a> (the popular Korean TV series filmed in Iseltwald, Switzerland)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLDER podcast</a></li><li>Substack: <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/">https://debbieweil.substack.com/</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie speaks to <a href="https://www.jonathanmerritt.com/">Jonathan Merritt</a>, one of America’s most renowned writers on faith and culture.</p><p>Debbie met Jonathan in the hot tub in Baja Mexico, but don’t get the wrong idea.</p><p>They were both in Baja to attend a weeklong workshop organized by <a href="https://www.modernelderacademy.com/">Modern Elder Academy</a>. And as you’ll hear in this episode, "change and transformation" were very much on the agenda.</p><p>You may have heard her talk about MEA. It’s billed as a midlife wisdom school whose core mission is to shift our negative mindset about aging. MEA is also a little bit of paradise. The campus, bursting with pink bougainvillea, sits on a wide, surf-pounded beach near Todos Santos, MX, just north of Cabo. </p><p> </p><p>*****</p><p><strong>NEW!</strong> <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/about">Subscribe to Debbie's Substack.</a><br />Substack is the new home for Debbie's regular newsletter. She offers behind-the-scenes commentary on the latest episodes of the podcast. She also writes from a personal perspective about entering the <i>land of the old </i>at 71.</p><p>*****</p><p> </p><p>Debbie and Jonathan were part of a group of about 20 in a recent workshop, pondering how to use sensory experience in the here and now to map out their futures. Debbie was intrigued with Jonathan’s thoughtful comments. She was also drawn to his Atlanta accent which she couldn’t quite place at first but which she recognized. She has a bunch of Georgia cousins.</p><p>In the hot tub, Jonathan revealed a bit about why he had flown from New York to spend a week at MEA. She wanted to find out more so she invited him onto the show. And she wanted him to explain things to her, a non church-person. </p><p>Jonathan is best known as a writer on the complicated intersection of faith and culture — as it applies to LGBTQ intolerance and evangelicalism  — and much more.</p><p>The son of an evangelical leader and a former pastor himself, Jonathan was <a href="https://www.salon.com/2012/08/12/why_i_outed_a_christian_star_2/">outed as gay a decade ago</a>. He moved to New York City and has since become an award-winning contributor to <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/author/jonathan-merritt/">The Atlantic</a>, a senior columnist for <a href="https://sojo.net/biography/jonathan-merritt-religion-news-service">Religion News Service</a>; has authored several books (including the critically-acclaimed <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Learning-Speak-God-Scratch-Vanishing/dp/1601429304">How to Speak God From Scratch</a>); has been interviewed on ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, NPR and PBS; is a literary agent; has ghostwritten or collaborated on more than 50 books (with several titles landing on the NYTimes, USA Today and Wall Street Journal bestseller lists); speaks and teaches at colleges, conferences and churches; has just finished writing his first children’s book; and is writing a TV series about religion and popular culture.</p><p>Oh, and he just turned 40.</p><p>Despite — or perhaps because of — his achievements, Jonathan is working on a transformation, his own “what’s next.” He’s an <i>old soul</i>, he tells Debbie, so he’s approaching this with intentionality; his week at MEA was just one step.</p><p>On the podcast they talk about:</p><ul><li>The urge to embrace spirituality (and religion) as you get older.</li><li>Why Sunday service at Yale’s Battell Chapel felt like a safe place for Debbie to weep after her mother died recently — even though she is not a church-person.</li><li>The definition of evangelicalism.</li><li>The connection between evangelicalism and fundamentalism and far right conservative ideologies.</li><li>The Rev. Tim Keller and his untimely death in May 2023 at age 72 (in his obituary, the NYT dubbed him <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/19/nyregion/the-rev-tim-keller-dead.html">Manhattan’s Pioneering Evangelist</a>).</li><li>Jonathan’s personal story of being <a href="https://www.salon.com/2012/08/12/why_i_outed_a_christian_star_2/">outed as gay</a>  just days before his 30th birthday, and then moving from Atlanta to NYC to start a new life.</li><li>Appreciative inquiry and the art of asking ourselves the right questions.</li><li>Jonathan’s adaptation of <a href="https://www.jesuits.org/spirituality/the-ignatian-examen/">The Ignation Examen</a> as part of his daily intentional practice.</li><li>And, despite his notable success as a journalist, speaker, literary agent, ghostwriter, creative and more, why he’s feeling the need to transform himself at age 40.</li></ul><p>As Debbie tells Jonathan, she could listen to him explain things all day — especially as they relate to religion, church, community, identity, intolerance and more. And yes, it's okay to go to church, he told her. Even if you don't believe in God, per se. She loved this conversation and hopes you will too.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://linktr.ee/JonathanMerritt">About Jonathan</a></li><li><a href="https://www.jonathanmerritt.com/">jonathanmerritt.com</a></li><li><a href="https://instagram.com/jonathan_merritt?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==">Jonathan's Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/jonathanmerritt">Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://linktr.ee/JonathanMerritt">Links to Jonathan's work</a></li><li><a href="https://www.jesuits.org/spirituality/the-ignatian-examen/">The Ignatian Examen</a></li><li>Jonathan’s church: <a href="https://goodshepherdnewyork.com/">Good Shepherd New York</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/22/opinion/tim-keller-death.html">Tim Keller Taught Me About Joy</a> by David Brooks (NYT, May 22 2023)</li><li><a href="https://kirstenpowers.substack.com/p/my-complicated-feelings-about-tim">My Complicated Feelings About Tim Keller</a> (<a href="https://substack.com/@kirstenpowers">Kirsten Powers</a> on her Substack,</li><li>May 24 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/evangelical-christian/418236/">What Does 'Evangelical' Mean?</a> By Jonathan Merritt (The Atlantic, December 7 2015)</li><li><a href="https://www.modernelderacademy.com/baja-workshop/being-present-for-your-future">The April 2023 workshop Debbie and Jonathan attended at MEA (led by Michael Perman)</a></li><li><a href="https://church.yale.edu/battell-chapel">Yale's Battell Chapel</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLDER podcast</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <author>wordbiz@gmail.com (Debbie Weil, Jonathan Merritt)</author>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie speaks to <a href="https://www.jonathanmerritt.com/">Jonathan Merritt</a>, one of America’s most renowned writers on faith and culture.</p><p>Debbie met Jonathan in the hot tub in Baja Mexico, but don’t get the wrong idea.</p><p>They were both in Baja to attend a weeklong workshop organized by <a href="https://www.modernelderacademy.com/">Modern Elder Academy</a>. And as you’ll hear in this episode, "change and transformation" were very much on the agenda.</p><p>You may have heard her talk about MEA. It’s billed as a midlife wisdom school whose core mission is to shift our negative mindset about aging. MEA is also a little bit of paradise. The campus, bursting with pink bougainvillea, sits on a wide, surf-pounded beach near Todos Santos, MX, just north of Cabo. </p><p> </p><p>*****</p><p><strong>NEW!</strong> <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/about">Subscribe to Debbie's Substack.</a><br />Substack is the new home for Debbie's regular newsletter. She offers behind-the-scenes commentary on the latest episodes of the podcast. She also writes from a personal perspective about entering the <i>land of the old </i>at 71.</p><p>*****</p><p> </p><p>Debbie and Jonathan were part of a group of about 20 in a recent workshop, pondering how to use sensory experience in the here and now to map out their futures. Debbie was intrigued with Jonathan’s thoughtful comments. She was also drawn to his Atlanta accent which she couldn’t quite place at first but which she recognized. She has a bunch of Georgia cousins.</p><p>In the hot tub, Jonathan revealed a bit about why he had flown from New York to spend a week at MEA. She wanted to find out more so she invited him onto the show. And she wanted him to explain things to her, a non church-person. </p><p>Jonathan is best known as a writer on the complicated intersection of faith and culture — as it applies to LGBTQ intolerance and evangelicalism  — and much more.</p><p>The son of an evangelical leader and a former pastor himself, Jonathan was <a href="https://www.salon.com/2012/08/12/why_i_outed_a_christian_star_2/">outed as gay a decade ago</a>. He moved to New York City and has since become an award-winning contributor to <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/author/jonathan-merritt/">The Atlantic</a>, a senior columnist for <a href="https://sojo.net/biography/jonathan-merritt-religion-news-service">Religion News Service</a>; has authored several books (including the critically-acclaimed <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Learning-Speak-God-Scratch-Vanishing/dp/1601429304">How to Speak God From Scratch</a>); has been interviewed on ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, NPR and PBS; is a literary agent; has ghostwritten or collaborated on more than 50 books (with several titles landing on the NYTimes, USA Today and Wall Street Journal bestseller lists); speaks and teaches at colleges, conferences and churches; has just finished writing his first children’s book; and is writing a TV series about religion and popular culture.</p><p>Oh, and he just turned 40.</p><p>Despite — or perhaps because of — his achievements, Jonathan is working on a transformation, his own “what’s next.” He’s an <i>old soul</i>, he tells Debbie, so he’s approaching this with intentionality; his week at MEA was just one step.</p><p>On the podcast they talk about:</p><ul><li>The urge to embrace spirituality (and religion) as you get older.</li><li>Why Sunday service at Yale’s Battell Chapel felt like a safe place for Debbie to weep after her mother died recently — even though she is not a church-person.</li><li>The definition of evangelicalism.</li><li>The connection between evangelicalism and fundamentalism and far right conservative ideologies.</li><li>The Rev. Tim Keller and his untimely death in May 2023 at age 72 (in his obituary, the NYT dubbed him <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/19/nyregion/the-rev-tim-keller-dead.html">Manhattan’s Pioneering Evangelist</a>).</li><li>Jonathan’s personal story of being <a href="https://www.salon.com/2012/08/12/why_i_outed_a_christian_star_2/">outed as gay</a>  just days before his 30th birthday, and then moving from Atlanta to NYC to start a new life.</li><li>Appreciative inquiry and the art of asking ourselves the right questions.</li><li>Jonathan’s adaptation of <a href="https://www.jesuits.org/spirituality/the-ignatian-examen/">The Ignation Examen</a> as part of his daily intentional practice.</li><li>And, despite his notable success as a journalist, speaker, literary agent, ghostwriter, creative and more, why he’s feeling the need to transform himself at age 40.</li></ul><p>As Debbie tells Jonathan, she could listen to him explain things all day — especially as they relate to religion, church, community, identity, intolerance and more. And yes, it's okay to go to church, he told her. Even if you don't believe in God, per se. She loved this conversation and hopes you will too.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://linktr.ee/JonathanMerritt">About Jonathan</a></li><li><a href="https://www.jonathanmerritt.com/">jonathanmerritt.com</a></li><li><a href="https://instagram.com/jonathan_merritt?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==">Jonathan's Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/jonathanmerritt">Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://linktr.ee/JonathanMerritt">Links to Jonathan's work</a></li><li><a href="https://www.jesuits.org/spirituality/the-ignatian-examen/">The Ignatian Examen</a></li><li>Jonathan’s church: <a href="https://goodshepherdnewyork.com/">Good Shepherd New York</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/22/opinion/tim-keller-death.html">Tim Keller Taught Me About Joy</a> by David Brooks (NYT, May 22 2023)</li><li><a href="https://kirstenpowers.substack.com/p/my-complicated-feelings-about-tim">My Complicated Feelings About Tim Keller</a> (<a href="https://substack.com/@kirstenpowers">Kirsten Powers</a> on her Substack,</li><li>May 24 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/evangelical-christian/418236/">What Does 'Evangelical' Mean?</a> By Jonathan Merritt (The Atlantic, December 7 2015)</li><li><a href="https://www.modernelderacademy.com/baja-workshop/being-present-for-your-future">The April 2023 workshop Debbie and Jonathan attended at MEA (led by Michael Perman)</a></li><li><a href="https://church.yale.edu/battell-chapel">Yale's Battell Chapel</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLDER podcast</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <title>Karen Wickre on Aging in Place As a Singleton After a Stellar Tech Career</title>
      <description><![CDATA[<p>Debbie brings her friend Karen Wickre back on the show to talk about "aging in place" and other things, including being a singleton in her 70s.</p><p>They met over 20 years ago when Debbie interviewed Karen, who was editor of Google’s blog, for Debbie's book, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/books/">The Corporate Blogging Book</a>. Not surprisingly, Google was an early adopter of this new form of communication.  They've stayed in touch ever since.</p><p>Karen had a stellar career in tech, working at Google and then at Twitter. She retired when she was 65 (she didn’t call it “retirement” back then) and is now an editorial consultant. She lives alone in San Francisco where she's owned her apartment for over 20 years. Now that she’s completed a strategically-planned renovation, she plans to stay there to "age in place."</p><p>She is the author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Taking-Work-Out-Networking-Connections/dp/1501199285/">Taking the Work Out of Networking: Your Guide to Making and Keeping Great Connections.</a></p><p>They talk about the power of networking, the importance of connections later in life, especially if you are a solo ager, planning ahead if you want to age in place, and what the definition of home is - beyond location - and how that might change as you grow older.</p><p>Debbie shares her thoughts about what and where home is - as she looks ahead. </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://KarenWickre.com">KarenWickre.com</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/kvox">Twitter</a></li><li>her daily <a href="https://www.instagram.com/kvox/">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Taking-Work-Out-Networking-Connections/dp/1501199285/">Taking the Work Out of Networking: Your Guide to Making and Keeping Great Connections</a> by Karen Wickre (Gallery Books, 2019)</li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-4-karen-wickre-what-you-need-to-know-about-networking-to-reinvent-your-life/">S1-EP4: Karen Wickre on  What You Need to Know About Networking to Reinvent Your Life</a> (March 22, 2019)</li><li><a href="https://www.nia.nih.gov/health/aging-place-growing-older-home">Definition of "aging in place"</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Right-Place-Time-Ultimate-Choosing/dp/1421442302/">Right Place, Right Time: The Ultimate Guide to Choosing a Home for the Second Half of Life</a> by Ryan Frederick (Johns Hopkins University Press; 2021)</li><li><a href="https://ideas.ted.com/how-to-use-design-thinking-to-create-a-happier-life-for-yourself/">How to use design thinking to create a happier life for yourself</a><br /> </li></ul><p>*****</p><p><strong>NEW!</strong> <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/about">Subscribe to Debbie's Substack.</a><br />Substack is the new home for Debbie's regular newsletter. She offers behind-the-scenes commentary on the latest episodes of the podcast. She also writes in more depth, from a personal perspective, about <i>the land of the old</i>: the positives, the negatives, and the surprises. </p><p>*****</p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLDER podcast</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Debbie talks with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/bree-johnston-77b3186/">Dr. Bree Johnston</a>, a geriatrician and palliative care physician in practice for 35 years who is also certified in psychedelic therapies. This is a re-airing of an episode published one year ago.</p><p>The topic of psychedelic therapy has gone mainstream in the past several years and especially in the past year. In the year since Debbie and Dr. Bree spoke, the use of psilocybin, MDMA and other psychedelics as therapy for addiction, depression and to ease fear of death has been increasingly in the news. The use of psilocybin is now legal or decriminalized in a handful of states in addition to Oregon.</p><p>Dr. Bree is an especially clear speaker and talks openly about the benefits of her own psilocybin trips. She tells us she wishes she could prescribe them for her elderly patients who are anxious about dying.</p><p>She explains everything you might want to know about different psychedelics, what their effects are, what to be wary of and more.</p><p>As to how this topic fits into <i>aging and reinvention</i>, Debbie says were she to receive a fatal diagnosis from cancer or another disease, she's pretty sure she would seek a guided psilocybin trip to ease fear of dying.  </p><h3> </h3><h3><strong>UPDATE on legal status of psychedelics</strong></h3><ul><li><a href="https://www.verywellmind.com/where-are-psychedelics-legal-for-therapeutic-use-6827701">As Evidence For Treatment Potential Grows, So Has Psychedelic Legality</a> (VeryWellMind.com, Nov. 18, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://www.greenstate.com/explained/where-are-psychadelics-legal-in-the-us/">Where are psychedelics legal in the U.S.?</a> (Hearst Newspaper Blogger Network, Nov. 25, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-01296-3">U.S. could soon approve MDMA therapy, opening an era of psychedelic medicine</a> (Nature, April 19, 2023)</li></ul><h3> </h3><p> </p><h3><strong>RECENTLY IN THE NEWS:</strong></h3><ul><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/04/03/magazine/roland-griffiths-interview.html">A Psychedelic Pioneer (Dr. Roland Griffiths) Takes the Ultimate Trip</a> by David Marchese ((The New York Times, April 7, 2023).</li></ul><h3> </h3><p>*****</p><p><strong>NEW!</strong> <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/about">Subscribe to Debbie's Substack.</a><br />Substack is the new home for Debbie's regular newsletter. She offers behind-the-scenes commentary on the latest episodes of the podcast. She also writes in more depth, from a personal perspective, about <i>the land of the old</i>: the positives, the negatives, and the surprises. </p><p>*****<br /> </p><h3><strong>COMPLETE SHOW NOTES:</strong></h3><p>Complete show notes with more resources and links from the May 2022 airing of this episode are <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s4-ep17-dr-bree-johnston-on-psychedelic-therapy-to-ease-fear-of-death/">here</a>.</p><h3> </h3><h3><strong>NOTE FROM DEBBIE</strong></h3><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please leave a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference.</p><h3> </h3><p> </p><h3><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></h3><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Debbie</li></ul><h3> </h3><p> </p><h3><strong>Media Partners</strong></h3><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>NEXT FOR ME: former media partner (and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)<br /> </li></ul><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debbie talks with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/bree-johnston-77b3186/">Dr. Bree Johnston</a>, a geriatrician and palliative care physician in practice for 35 years who is also certified in psychedelic therapies. This is a re-airing of an episode published one year ago.</p><p>The topic of psychedelic therapy has gone mainstream in the past several years and especially in the past year. In the year since Debbie and Dr. Bree spoke, the use of psilocybin, MDMA and other psychedelics as therapy for addiction, depression and to ease fear of death has been increasingly in the news. The use of psilocybin is now legal or decriminalized in a handful of states in addition to Oregon.</p><p>Dr. Bree is an especially clear speaker and talks openly about the benefits of her own psilocybin trips. She tells us she wishes she could prescribe them for her elderly patients who are anxious about dying.</p><p>She explains everything you might want to know about different psychedelics, what their effects are, what to be wary of and more.</p><p>As to how this topic fits into <i>aging and reinvention</i>, Debbie says were she to receive a fatal diagnosis from cancer or another disease, she's pretty sure she would seek a guided psilocybin trip to ease fear of dying.  </p><h3> </h3><h3><strong>UPDATE on legal status of psychedelics</strong></h3><ul><li><a href="https://www.verywellmind.com/where-are-psychedelics-legal-for-therapeutic-use-6827701">As Evidence For Treatment Potential Grows, So Has Psychedelic Legality</a> (VeryWellMind.com, Nov. 18, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://www.greenstate.com/explained/where-are-psychadelics-legal-in-the-us/">Where are psychedelics legal in the U.S.?</a> (Hearst Newspaper Blogger Network, Nov. 25, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-01296-3">U.S. could soon approve MDMA therapy, opening an era of psychedelic medicine</a> (Nature, April 19, 2023)</li></ul><h3> </h3><p> </p><h3><strong>RECENTLY IN THE NEWS:</strong></h3><ul><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/04/03/magazine/roland-griffiths-interview.html">A Psychedelic Pioneer (Dr. Roland Griffiths) Takes the Ultimate Trip</a> by David Marchese ((The New York Times, April 7, 2023).</li></ul><h3> </h3><p>*****</p><p><strong>NEW!</strong> <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/about">Subscribe to Debbie's Substack.</a><br />Substack is the new home for Debbie's regular newsletter. She offers behind-the-scenes commentary on the latest episodes of the podcast. She also writes in more depth, from a personal perspective, about <i>the land of the old</i>: the positives, the negatives, and the surprises. </p><p>*****<br /> </p><h3><strong>COMPLETE SHOW NOTES:</strong></h3><p>Complete show notes with more resources and links from the May 2022 airing of this episode are <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s4-ep17-dr-bree-johnston-on-psychedelic-therapy-to-ease-fear-of-death/">here</a>.</p><h3> </h3><h3><strong>NOTE FROM DEBBIE</strong></h3><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please leave a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference.</p><h3> </h3><p> </p><h3><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></h3><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Debbie</li></ul><h3> </h3><p> </p><h3><strong>Media Partners</strong></h3><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>NEXT FOR ME: former media partner (and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)<br /> </li></ul><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Debbie talks to the incomparably prolific writer and editor Sari Botton about her popular online <a href="https://oldster.substack.com/">Oldster Magazine</a> and how the topic of growing old touches a nerve with everyone from Millennials to GenXers (she is 57) to Boomers. </p><p>Sari Botton publishes three different newsletters on Substack and she’s got over 1,500 paying subscribers.  So <i>growing old</i> is definitely a hot topic - and not just for Boomers in their 60s and 70s.</p><p>Her approach to aging is interesting; in fact, she’s been obsessed with growing older since she turned 10 and entered double digits. And she says she still feels 10 or 11 inside her head. She describes aging as traveling through time in a human body—of any gender, at every phase of life. Thus Oldster Magazine is about the experience of getting older and what that means at different junctures. </p><p>In this episode Sari and Debbie talk about ageism (what it is and isn’t); Sari's experiences of growing older (no more wooden clogs for her); and the close to 100 interviews she's done on Oldster about growing older (and what we can learn from them). They also talk about Martha Stewart’s recent Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Cover. Does it make the point that you can look good in a swimsuit at any age (Martha is 81)? That age doesn’t matter?? Or is this just Martha Stewart being Martha Stewart?</p><p>They also delve into Sari's new skincare routine (yes, a nod to getting older) and why birthday parties are so important to her.</p><p>Sari is the author of the memoir in essays, <a href="https://bookshop.org/books/and-you-may-find-yourself/9781942762997"><i>And You May Find Yourself...Confessions of a Late-Blooming Gen-X Weirdo</i></a> and was a contributing editor and columnist at Catapult, and the former Essays Editor for Longreads. She edited the bestselling anthologies <a href="https://bookshop.org/books/goodbye-to-all-that-revised-edition-writers-on-loving-and-leaving-new-york/9781541675681"><i>Goodbye to All That: Writers on Loving and Leaving NewYork</i></a> and <a href="https://bookshop.org/books/never-can-say-goodbye-writers-on-their-unshakable-love-for-new-york/9781476784403"><i>Never Can Say Goodbye: Writers on Their Unshakable Love for New York</i></a>. She teaches creative nonfiction at Bay Path University and Kingston Writers' Studio. She publishes <a href="http://oldster.substack.com/">Oldster Magazine</a>, <a href="http://memoirmonday.substack.com/">Memoir Land</a>, and <a href="http://adventuresinjournalism.substack.com/">Adventures in Journalism</a>. She is the Writer in Residence in the creative writing department of SUNY New Paltz for Spring, 2023.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.saribotton.com/">SariBotton.com</a></li><li><a href="https://oldster.substack.com/">Oldster Magazine</a></li><li><a href="https://adventuresinjournalism.substack.com/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=profile_page">Adventures In "Journalism"</a></li><li><a href="https://memoirland.substack.com/">Memoir Land</a></li><li>Sari’s answers: <a href="https://oldster.substack.com/p/this-is-56-i-respond-to-my-own-questionnaire">This is 56: I Respond to My Own Questionnaire</a></li><li><a href="https://open.substack.com/pub/oldster/p/about-that-martha-stewart-sports?r=1go6c&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web">About that Martha Stewart Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue Cover...</a> (Oldster Magazine, May 26, 2023)</li><li>S5-EP15 of [B]OLDER: <a href="https://gapyearforgrownups.simplecast.com/episodes/abigail-thomas">Abigail Thomas on Life at 81</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/ANNELAMOTT/">Anne Lamott</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patti_Smith">Patti Smith</a></li><li>Oldster T-shirts: <a href="https://www.etsy.com/shop/OldsterMagazineMerch">OldsterMagazineMerch</a></li><li><a href="https://egyptianmagic.com">Egyptian Magic</a> skincare</li><li><a href="https://glowjuice.squarespace.com/om/watch?v=1vlT1xgieLo">Glow Juice</a> skincare<br /> </li></ul><p><strong>More from Oldster:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://oldster.substack.com/p/this-is-32-beauty-journalist-jessica">This is 32: Beauty Journalist Jessica DeFino Responds to The Oldster Magazine Questionnaire</a></li><li><a href="https://oldster.substack.com/p/this-is-48-and-10-months-author-and">This is 48-and-10-Months: Author and Podcaster Jennifer Romolini</a></li><li><a href="https://oldster.substack.com/p/this-is-46-maggie-smith-responds">This is 46: Maggie Smith</a></li><li><a href="https://oldster.substack.com/p/this-is-72-master-memoirist-beverly">This is 72: Master Memoirist Beverly Donofrio</a></li><li><a href="https://oldster.substack.com/p/an-interesting-question">An Interesting Question - by Abigail Thomas </a></li><li><a href="https://oldster.substack.com/p/a-wrinkle-in-time">A Wrinkle in Time - by Laurie Stone</a></li><li><a href="https://jessicadefino.substack.com/about">The Unpublishable  </a>(Jessica DeFino’s magazine about the beauty industry)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Get the inside skinny on every episode of [B]OLDER:</strong></p><p>Subscribe to Debbie’s newsletter for the inside story about every episode. You will also get her 34-page writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.  </p><p> </p><p><strong>Request from Debbie:</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please take a moment to leave a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It really makes a difference in attracting new listeners.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLDER podcast</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>NEXT FOR ME: former media partner (and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)<br /> </li></ul><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify<br /> </li></ul><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <author>wordbiz@gmail.com (Sari Botton, Debbie Weil)</author>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debbie talks to the incomparably prolific writer and editor Sari Botton about her popular online <a href="https://oldster.substack.com/">Oldster Magazine</a> and how the topic of growing old touches a nerve with everyone from Millennials to GenXers (she is 57) to Boomers. </p><p>Sari Botton publishes three different newsletters on Substack and she’s got over 1,500 paying subscribers.  So <i>growing old</i> is definitely a hot topic - and not just for Boomers in their 60s and 70s.</p><p>Her approach to aging is interesting; in fact, she’s been obsessed with growing older since she turned 10 and entered double digits. And she says she still feels 10 or 11 inside her head. She describes aging as traveling through time in a human body—of any gender, at every phase of life. Thus Oldster Magazine is about the experience of getting older and what that means at different junctures. </p><p>In this episode Sari and Debbie talk about ageism (what it is and isn’t); Sari's experiences of growing older (no more wooden clogs for her); and the close to 100 interviews she's done on Oldster about growing older (and what we can learn from them). They also talk about Martha Stewart’s recent Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Cover. Does it make the point that you can look good in a swimsuit at any age (Martha is 81)? That age doesn’t matter?? Or is this just Martha Stewart being Martha Stewart?</p><p>They also delve into Sari's new skincare routine (yes, a nod to getting older) and why birthday parties are so important to her.</p><p>Sari is the author of the memoir in essays, <a href="https://bookshop.org/books/and-you-may-find-yourself/9781942762997"><i>And You May Find Yourself...Confessions of a Late-Blooming Gen-X Weirdo</i></a> and was a contributing editor and columnist at Catapult, and the former Essays Editor for Longreads. She edited the bestselling anthologies <a href="https://bookshop.org/books/goodbye-to-all-that-revised-edition-writers-on-loving-and-leaving-new-york/9781541675681"><i>Goodbye to All That: Writers on Loving and Leaving NewYork</i></a> and <a href="https://bookshop.org/books/never-can-say-goodbye-writers-on-their-unshakable-love-for-new-york/9781476784403"><i>Never Can Say Goodbye: Writers on Their Unshakable Love for New York</i></a>. She teaches creative nonfiction at Bay Path University and Kingston Writers' Studio. She publishes <a href="http://oldster.substack.com/">Oldster Magazine</a>, <a href="http://memoirmonday.substack.com/">Memoir Land</a>, and <a href="http://adventuresinjournalism.substack.com/">Adventures in Journalism</a>. She is the Writer in Residence in the creative writing department of SUNY New Paltz for Spring, 2023.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.saribotton.com/">SariBotton.com</a></li><li><a href="https://oldster.substack.com/">Oldster Magazine</a></li><li><a href="https://adventuresinjournalism.substack.com/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=profile_page">Adventures In "Journalism"</a></li><li><a href="https://memoirland.substack.com/">Memoir Land</a></li><li>Sari’s answers: <a href="https://oldster.substack.com/p/this-is-56-i-respond-to-my-own-questionnaire">This is 56: I Respond to My Own Questionnaire</a></li><li><a href="https://open.substack.com/pub/oldster/p/about-that-martha-stewart-sports?r=1go6c&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web">About that Martha Stewart Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue Cover...</a> (Oldster Magazine, May 26, 2023)</li><li>S5-EP15 of [B]OLDER: <a href="https://gapyearforgrownups.simplecast.com/episodes/abigail-thomas">Abigail Thomas on Life at 81</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/ANNELAMOTT/">Anne Lamott</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patti_Smith">Patti Smith</a></li><li>Oldster T-shirts: <a href="https://www.etsy.com/shop/OldsterMagazineMerch">OldsterMagazineMerch</a></li><li><a href="https://egyptianmagic.com">Egyptian Magic</a> skincare</li><li><a href="https://glowjuice.squarespace.com/om/watch?v=1vlT1xgieLo">Glow Juice</a> skincare<br /> </li></ul><p><strong>More from Oldster:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://oldster.substack.com/p/this-is-32-beauty-journalist-jessica">This is 32: Beauty Journalist Jessica DeFino Responds to The Oldster Magazine Questionnaire</a></li><li><a href="https://oldster.substack.com/p/this-is-48-and-10-months-author-and">This is 48-and-10-Months: Author and Podcaster Jennifer Romolini</a></li><li><a href="https://oldster.substack.com/p/this-is-46-maggie-smith-responds">This is 46: Maggie Smith</a></li><li><a href="https://oldster.substack.com/p/this-is-72-master-memoirist-beverly">This is 72: Master Memoirist Beverly Donofrio</a></li><li><a href="https://oldster.substack.com/p/an-interesting-question">An Interesting Question - by Abigail Thomas </a></li><li><a href="https://oldster.substack.com/p/a-wrinkle-in-time">A Wrinkle in Time - by Laurie Stone</a></li><li><a href="https://jessicadefino.substack.com/about">The Unpublishable  </a>(Jessica DeFino’s magazine about the beauty industry)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Get the inside skinny on every episode of [B]OLDER:</strong></p><p>Subscribe to Debbie’s newsletter for the inside story about every episode. You will also get her 34-page writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.  </p><p> </p><p><strong>Request from Debbie:</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please take a moment to leave a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It really makes a difference in attracting new listeners.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLDER podcast</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>NEXT FOR ME: former media partner (and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)<br /> </li></ul><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify<br /> </li></ul><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <title>Abigail Thomas on Life at 81: Liquid Moments, Memory, French Toast and Writing</title>
      <description><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie speaks with bestselling author Abigail Thomas whom Stephen King calls “the Emily Dickinson of memoirists."</p><p>Her new memoir, titled "Still Life at Eighty," is a series of loosely connected essays on the topic of aging. But it's so much more than that. Abby, as she insisted that Debbie call her, is funny and frank and profane as she talks about the good and the bad of aging. Yes, there are aches and pains. No, she doesn't mind being old. In fact, she loves it. She no longer cares what people think of her and - just for the record - she is not afraid of death. As she puts it: "Please God, let there be no afterlife."</p><p>In this conversation she and Debbie talk about her writing (Debbie finds it "transcendent"), her relationship to time and memories, her longterm friendship with literary agent Chuck Verrill (who died in early 2022), and why she loves working with clay.<br /><br />Abby is the daughter of renowned science writer Lewis Thomas, the mother of four children and a grandmother of 12. She is the bestselling author of several previous memoirs, including "A Three Dog Life" and "What Comes Next and How to Like It."<strong> </strong>She lives in Woodstock, NY with her dogs, where she writes and teaches writing.<br /> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li>Her website: <a href="https://www.abigailthomas.net/">Abigail Thomas</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Still-Life-Eighty-Interesting-Thing/dp/0967554128/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3TYJMU76167V0&keywords=still+life+at+80+abigail+thomas&qid=1683157373&sprefix=still+life+at+80%2Caps%2C395&sr=8-1">Still Life at Eighty: The Next Interesting Thing</a> by Abigail Thomas (Golden Notebook Press (February 28, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/What-Comes-Next-How-Like/dp/1476785066/">What Comes Next and How to Like It: A Memoir</a> by Abigail Thomas (Scribner; 2015)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Three-Dog-Life-Abigail-Thomas/dp/0156033232/ref=sxts_entity_rec_bsx_s_def_r00_t_aufl?content-id=amzn1.sym.a36c3969-f821-4d5b-a8e8-be129cf4aa4a%3Aamzn1.sym.a36c3969-f821-4d5b-a8e8-be129cf4aa4a&crid=3FSS990ZI3US8&cv_ct_cx=abigail+thomas&keywords=abigail+thomas&pd_rd_i=0156033232&pd_rd_r=64cd0d1b-29a9-4344-9977-28ed4e4c6d5a&pd_rd_w=UINP5&pd_rd_wg=Xtbyj&pf_rd_p=a36c3969-f821-4d5b-a8e8-be129cf4aa4a&pf_rd_r=YSJE15T3C991ZFRGV2FA&qid=1683158048&s=books&sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D&sprefix=abigail+thoma%2Cstripbooks%2C146&sr=1-2-ef9bfdb7-b507-43a0-b887-27e2a8414df0">A Three Dog Life: A Memoir</a> by Abigail Thomas (Mariner Books; 2006)</li><li><a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/the-next-interesting-thing-from-abigail-thomas/amp/">The Next Interesting Thing from Abigail Thomas</a> (Next Avenue, March 9, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://oldster.substack.com/p/hope-ha-ha-ha-ha">Hope? Ha Ha Ha Ha... - by Abigail Thomas</a> (Oldster Magazine, May 3, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://brevity.wordpress.com/2023/04/20/still-life-at-eighty/">Memoir is Exploration, So Keep Yourself Open: An Interview with Abigail Thomas</a> (Brevity Blog, April 20, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://philipsturner.com/2022/04/23/chuck-verrill-editor-and-agent-rip/">Chuck Verrill, Editor and Agent, RIP (</a>Chuck Verrill (her literary agent) died in 2022)</li></ul><p><i>"STILL LIFE AT EIGHTY is a little jewel box of a book, full of epiphanies that are comforting and merciless in the gentlest possible way. Both a series of meditations and a user’s manual about growing old, I was amazed by its clarity... Even the title, with its deliberate ambiguity, is a very cool thing." — </i><a href="https://stephenking.com/"><i>Stephen King</i></a></p><p>PHOTO CREDIT: Jennifer Waddell</p><p> </p><p><strong>Get the inside skinny on every episode of [B]OLDER:</strong></p><p>Subscribe to Debbie’s newsletter for the inside story about every episode. You will also get her 34-page writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.<br /> </p><p><strong>Request from Debbie:</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please take a moment to leave a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It really makes a difference in attracting new listeners. </p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLDER podcast</a></li><li>Email: thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a><br /> </li></ul><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2023 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>wordbiz@gmail.com (Debbie Weil, Abigail Thomas)</author>
      <link>https://debbieweil.com/podcast</link>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie speaks with bestselling author Abigail Thomas whom Stephen King calls “the Emily Dickinson of memoirists."</p><p>Her new memoir, titled "Still Life at Eighty," is a series of loosely connected essays on the topic of aging. But it's so much more than that. Abby, as she insisted that Debbie call her, is funny and frank and profane as she talks about the good and the bad of aging. Yes, there are aches and pains. No, she doesn't mind being old. In fact, she loves it. She no longer cares what people think of her and - just for the record - she is not afraid of death. As she puts it: "Please God, let there be no afterlife."</p><p>In this conversation she and Debbie talk about her writing (Debbie finds it "transcendent"), her relationship to time and memories, her longterm friendship with literary agent Chuck Verrill (who died in early 2022), and why she loves working with clay.<br /><br />Abby is the daughter of renowned science writer Lewis Thomas, the mother of four children and a grandmother of 12. She is the bestselling author of several previous memoirs, including "A Three Dog Life" and "What Comes Next and How to Like It."<strong> </strong>She lives in Woodstock, NY with her dogs, where she writes and teaches writing.<br /> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li>Her website: <a href="https://www.abigailthomas.net/">Abigail Thomas</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Still-Life-Eighty-Interesting-Thing/dp/0967554128/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3TYJMU76167V0&keywords=still+life+at+80+abigail+thomas&qid=1683157373&sprefix=still+life+at+80%2Caps%2C395&sr=8-1">Still Life at Eighty: The Next Interesting Thing</a> by Abigail Thomas (Golden Notebook Press (February 28, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/What-Comes-Next-How-Like/dp/1476785066/">What Comes Next and How to Like It: A Memoir</a> by Abigail Thomas (Scribner; 2015)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Three-Dog-Life-Abigail-Thomas/dp/0156033232/ref=sxts_entity_rec_bsx_s_def_r00_t_aufl?content-id=amzn1.sym.a36c3969-f821-4d5b-a8e8-be129cf4aa4a%3Aamzn1.sym.a36c3969-f821-4d5b-a8e8-be129cf4aa4a&crid=3FSS990ZI3US8&cv_ct_cx=abigail+thomas&keywords=abigail+thomas&pd_rd_i=0156033232&pd_rd_r=64cd0d1b-29a9-4344-9977-28ed4e4c6d5a&pd_rd_w=UINP5&pd_rd_wg=Xtbyj&pf_rd_p=a36c3969-f821-4d5b-a8e8-be129cf4aa4a&pf_rd_r=YSJE15T3C991ZFRGV2FA&qid=1683158048&s=books&sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D&sprefix=abigail+thoma%2Cstripbooks%2C146&sr=1-2-ef9bfdb7-b507-43a0-b887-27e2a8414df0">A Three Dog Life: A Memoir</a> by Abigail Thomas (Mariner Books; 2006)</li><li><a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/the-next-interesting-thing-from-abigail-thomas/amp/">The Next Interesting Thing from Abigail Thomas</a> (Next Avenue, March 9, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://oldster.substack.com/p/hope-ha-ha-ha-ha">Hope? Ha Ha Ha Ha... - by Abigail Thomas</a> (Oldster Magazine, May 3, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://brevity.wordpress.com/2023/04/20/still-life-at-eighty/">Memoir is Exploration, So Keep Yourself Open: An Interview with Abigail Thomas</a> (Brevity Blog, April 20, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://philipsturner.com/2022/04/23/chuck-verrill-editor-and-agent-rip/">Chuck Verrill, Editor and Agent, RIP (</a>Chuck Verrill (her literary agent) died in 2022)</li></ul><p><i>"STILL LIFE AT EIGHTY is a little jewel box of a book, full of epiphanies that are comforting and merciless in the gentlest possible way. Both a series of meditations and a user’s manual about growing old, I was amazed by its clarity... Even the title, with its deliberate ambiguity, is a very cool thing." — </i><a href="https://stephenking.com/"><i>Stephen King</i></a></p><p>PHOTO CREDIT: Jennifer Waddell</p><p> </p><p><strong>Get the inside skinny on every episode of [B]OLDER:</strong></p><p>Subscribe to Debbie’s newsletter for the inside story about every episode. You will also get her 34-page writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.<br /> </p><p><strong>Request from Debbie:</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please take a moment to leave a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It really makes a difference in attracting new listeners. </p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLDER podcast</a></li><li>Email: thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a><br /> </li></ul><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie re-runs the single most popular of 100+ episodes of [B]OLDER. Exactly two years ago, in the spring of 2021, she asked plague expert Nicholas Christakis, a distinguished Yale professor and author,  the burning question: <i>when will the COVID-19 pandemic end? </i></p><p>His answer: 2024. It startled her and burst her bubble of optimism. Vaccines were widely available by then and it seemed like the beginning of the end. Surely he was exaggerating how long it would take for the COVID pandemic to wind down? No, it was only the <i>end of the beginning</i>, he told her.</p><p>Today that makes sense. And of course, it was prescient.</p><p>Tune into a re-run of one of the most fascinating episodes of [B]OLDER. (Note that Debbie refers to it as <i>The Gap Year</i> <i>Podcast, </i>the name she gave the podcast during the height of the pandemic. It's now the [B]OLDER podcast. Same podcast; different name.)</p><p>PHOTO CREDIT: Evan Mann</p><p> </p><p>*****</p><p><strong>NEW!</strong> <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/about">Subscribe to Debbie's Substack.</a><br />Substack is the new home for Debbie's regular newsletter. She offers behind-the-scenes commentary on the latest episodes of the podcast. She also writes in more depth, from a personal perspective, about <i>the land of the old</i>: the positives, the negatives, and the surprises. </p><p>*****</p><p> </p><p><strong>SHOW NOTES from the original interview with Nicholas Christakis (May 7, 2021)</strong></p><p><strong>Nicholas Christakis, MD, PhD, MPH</strong>, and a Sterling Professor at Yale, has been named to TIME magazine’s list of the 100 Most Influential People in the World. His fluency in explaining the intertwined science, epidemiology, psychology, sociology and history of pandemics - and his sense of humor - make this a compelling episode. </p><ul><li>You’ll hear why he chose to publish his latest book, <strong>Apollo’s Arrow,</strong> in the fall of 2020, before we knew the end of the story of COVID-19</li><li>How his childhood experiences with illness and death affected his career choices</li><li>What the predictable three phases of a pandemic are (in 2021 we were still in the immediate phase)</li><li>Why he thinks this pandemic won’t be over until 2024</li><li>They also talked about separating the biological vs. the psychological impacts of the pandemic</li><li>What herd immunity actually means and whether we’ll get there</li><li>And what the public health messaging around the pandemic should be</li></ul><p>Debbie asks him point blank: when is the <i>next</i> pandemic? The answer is unnerving – sooner than you might think.</p><p> </p><p><strong>About Nicholas Christakis</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Christakis">Wikipedia</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/NAChristakis?">Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://sociology.yale.edu/people/nicholas-christakis">Yale University</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvEqnjR24WGBbMa_N7NyM5vLZ4aFe2YWy">Ted Talks</a></li><li><a href="https://www.humannaturelab.net/">Human Nature Lab at Yale</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Books by Nicholas Christakis</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Apollos-Arrow-Profound-Enduring-Coronavirus/dp/0316628212?tag=aurum0a-20">Apollo’s Arrow: The Profound and Enduring Impact of Coronavirus on the Way We Live</a> by Nicholas Christakis (Little, Brown Spark 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07F67B9P4/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i1">Blueprint: The Evolutionary Origins of a Good Society</a> by Nicholas Christakis (Little, Brown Spark 2019)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002OFVO5Y/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i2">Connected: The Surprising Power of Our Social Networks and How They Shape Our Lives</a> by Nicholas Christakis (Little, Brown Spark 2009)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0226104710/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i4">Death Foretold: Prophecy and Prognosis in Medical Care</a> by Nicholas Christakis (University of Chicago Press, 2001)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Articles and interviews</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/03/books/review/apollos-arrow-coronavirus-nicholas-christakis.html">The New York Times Book Review: The Pandemic’s Future — and Ours</a> (NYT Book Review of Apollo’s Arrow, November 3, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://news.yale.edu/2021/03/04/year-covid-making-sense-alien-and-unnatural-time">A year of COVID: Making sense of an ‘alien and unnatural’ time</a> (Yale News, March 4, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/21/epidemiologist-1918-flu-pandemic-roaring-20s-post-covid">Epidemiologist looks to the past to predict second post-pandemic ‘roaring 20s’</a> (The Guardian, December 21, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.npr.org/2020/10/29/929073472/denial-and-lies-are-almost-an-intrinsic-part-of-an-epidemic-doctor-says">Denial And Lies Are ‘Almost An Intrinsic Part Of An Epidemic,’ Doctor Says</a> (NPR, October 29, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://blogs.sciencemag.org/books/2020/11/17/apollos-arrow/">The pandemic is as much about society, leaders, and values as it is about a pathogen</a> (Science Mag, November 17, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Importance-Being-Little-Children-Grownups/dp/0143129988?tag=aurum0a-20">The Importance of Being Little: What Young Children Really Need from Grownups</a> by Erika Christakis (Penguin Books 2016)</li><li><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/12/school-wasnt-so-great-before-covid-either/616923/">Remote Learning Isn’t the Only Problem With School</a> (The Atlantic, December 2020)</li><li><a href="https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2771764">The COVID-19 Pandemic and the $16 Trillion Virus</a> by Larry H. Summers, PhD and David M. Cutler, PhD (October 12, 2020)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned or useful</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Plague-Albert-Camus/dp/0679720219?tag=aurum0a-20">The Plague</a> by Albert Camus (1947)</li><li><a href="https://www.healthline.com/health/r-nought-reproduction-number">What Is R-naught? Gauging Contagious Infections</a> (Healthline, April 20, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology">What is Epidemiology?</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociology">What is Sociology?</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLDER podcast</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie re-runs the single most popular of 100+ episodes of [B]OLDER. Exactly two years ago, in the spring of 2021, she asked plague expert Nicholas Christakis, a distinguished Yale professor and author,  the burning question: <i>when will the COVID-19 pandemic end? </i></p><p>His answer: 2024. It startled her and burst her bubble of optimism. Vaccines were widely available by then and it seemed like the beginning of the end. Surely he was exaggerating how long it would take for the COVID pandemic to wind down? No, it was only the <i>end of the beginning</i>, he told her.</p><p>Today that makes sense. And of course, it was prescient.</p><p>Tune into a re-run of one of the most fascinating episodes of [B]OLDER. (Note that Debbie refers to it as <i>The Gap Year</i> <i>Podcast, </i>the name she gave the podcast during the height of the pandemic. It's now the [B]OLDER podcast. Same podcast; different name.)</p><p>PHOTO CREDIT: Evan Mann</p><p> </p><p>*****</p><p><strong>NEW!</strong> <a href="https://debbieweil.substack.com/about">Subscribe to Debbie's Substack.</a><br />Substack is the new home for Debbie's regular newsletter. She offers behind-the-scenes commentary on the latest episodes of the podcast. She also writes in more depth, from a personal perspective, about <i>the land of the old</i>: the positives, the negatives, and the surprises. </p><p>*****</p><p> </p><p><strong>SHOW NOTES from the original interview with Nicholas Christakis (May 7, 2021)</strong></p><p><strong>Nicholas Christakis, MD, PhD, MPH</strong>, and a Sterling Professor at Yale, has been named to TIME magazine’s list of the 100 Most Influential People in the World. His fluency in explaining the intertwined science, epidemiology, psychology, sociology and history of pandemics - and his sense of humor - make this a compelling episode. </p><ul><li>You’ll hear why he chose to publish his latest book, <strong>Apollo’s Arrow,</strong> in the fall of 2020, before we knew the end of the story of COVID-19</li><li>How his childhood experiences with illness and death affected his career choices</li><li>What the predictable three phases of a pandemic are (in 2021 we were still in the immediate phase)</li><li>Why he thinks this pandemic won’t be over until 2024</li><li>They also talked about separating the biological vs. the psychological impacts of the pandemic</li><li>What herd immunity actually means and whether we’ll get there</li><li>And what the public health messaging around the pandemic should be</li></ul><p>Debbie asks him point blank: when is the <i>next</i> pandemic? The answer is unnerving – sooner than you might think.</p><p> </p><p><strong>About Nicholas Christakis</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Christakis">Wikipedia</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/NAChristakis?">Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://sociology.yale.edu/people/nicholas-christakis">Yale University</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvEqnjR24WGBbMa_N7NyM5vLZ4aFe2YWy">Ted Talks</a></li><li><a href="https://www.humannaturelab.net/">Human Nature Lab at Yale</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Books by Nicholas Christakis</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Apollos-Arrow-Profound-Enduring-Coronavirus/dp/0316628212?tag=aurum0a-20">Apollo’s Arrow: The Profound and Enduring Impact of Coronavirus on the Way We Live</a> by Nicholas Christakis (Little, Brown Spark 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07F67B9P4/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i1">Blueprint: The Evolutionary Origins of a Good Society</a> by Nicholas Christakis (Little, Brown Spark 2019)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002OFVO5Y/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i2">Connected: The Surprising Power of Our Social Networks and How They Shape Our Lives</a> by Nicholas Christakis (Little, Brown Spark 2009)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0226104710/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i4">Death Foretold: Prophecy and Prognosis in Medical Care</a> by Nicholas Christakis (University of Chicago Press, 2001)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Articles and interviews</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/03/books/review/apollos-arrow-coronavirus-nicholas-christakis.html">The New York Times Book Review: The Pandemic’s Future — and Ours</a> (NYT Book Review of Apollo’s Arrow, November 3, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://news.yale.edu/2021/03/04/year-covid-making-sense-alien-and-unnatural-time">A year of COVID: Making sense of an ‘alien and unnatural’ time</a> (Yale News, March 4, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/21/epidemiologist-1918-flu-pandemic-roaring-20s-post-covid">Epidemiologist looks to the past to predict second post-pandemic ‘roaring 20s’</a> (The Guardian, December 21, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.npr.org/2020/10/29/929073472/denial-and-lies-are-almost-an-intrinsic-part-of-an-epidemic-doctor-says">Denial And Lies Are ‘Almost An Intrinsic Part Of An Epidemic,’ Doctor Says</a> (NPR, October 29, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://blogs.sciencemag.org/books/2020/11/17/apollos-arrow/">The pandemic is as much about society, leaders, and values as it is about a pathogen</a> (Science Mag, November 17, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Importance-Being-Little-Children-Grownups/dp/0143129988?tag=aurum0a-20">The Importance of Being Little: What Young Children Really Need from Grownups</a> by Erika Christakis (Penguin Books 2016)</li><li><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/12/school-wasnt-so-great-before-covid-either/616923/">Remote Learning Isn’t the Only Problem With School</a> (The Atlantic, December 2020)</li><li><a href="https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2771764">The COVID-19 Pandemic and the $16 Trillion Virus</a> by Larry H. Summers, PhD and David M. Cutler, PhD (October 12, 2020)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned or useful</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Plague-Albert-Camus/dp/0679720219?tag=aurum0a-20">The Plague</a> by Albert Camus (1947)</li><li><a href="https://www.healthline.com/health/r-nought-reproduction-number">What Is R-naught? Gauging Contagious Infections</a> (Healthline, April 20, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology">What is Epidemiology?</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociology">What is Sociology?</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLDER podcast</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Debbie brings veteran journalist and prolific freelance writer <a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/writer/richard-eisenberg/">Richard Eisenberg</a> back on the podcast one year after he "unretired" from full-time work as managing editor of <a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/">Next Avenue</a>. When they spoke a year ago, he was just embarking on his new life. Today, he reflects on surprises, what he's learned, what he's working on, and more.</p><p>Richard defines <i>unretirement</i> as a mixture of paid and unpaid work, as well as the opportunity to delve into unexplored passions, travel, volunteer, and spend more time with family.</p><p>He tells Debbie that the biggest surprise so far is how challenging it has been to adjust to a wide-open schedule on his calendar. He has lots of days with a full plate but the blank days are discomfiting. Debbie suggests that he cheat and put "take a walk" or "pick up the dry cleaning" on his Apple calendar. He reveals that he much prefers a paper calendar and carries one around with him, with his appointments entered, changed, and scratched off.</p><p>He and Debbie also discuss ageism, the ethics of writing with help from AI (aka Chat GPT), and fraudulent Medicare Advantage marketing. They also talk about the increasing number of age-friendly jobs and why older workers (who value flexibility, autonomy, etc.) are NOT getting them.</p><p>This is a great conversation from a down-to-earth practitioner of the art of unretirement. You'll find links to some of his recent articles in the show notes below. All are about issues related to retirement and aging.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/writer/richard-eisenberg/">Bio</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/richeis315">Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/richardeisenberg/">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/next-avenues-managing-editor-says-goodbye-but-not-farewell/">Next Avenue's Managing Editor Says Goodbye - But Not Farewell</a> by Richard Eisenberg (Jan. 4, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s4-ep11-richard-eisenberg-renowned-editor-on-taking-practical-first-steps-into-unretirement/">S4-EP11: Renowned Editor Richard Eisenberg on Taking Practical First Steps into "Unretirement"</a>  (Feb. 2022)</li><li><a href="https://openai.com/blog/chatgpt">ChatGPT</a>: He’s writing an article about how older people can use ChatGPT in a number of ways. Will add link when it's published.</li><li><a href="https://www.sps.nyu.edu/homepage/academics/divisions-and-departments/center-for-publishing-and-applied-liberal-arts/summer-publishing-institute.html">NYU Summer Publishing Institute</a></li><li>​​<a href="http://furnitureassist.com/">Furniture Assist</a>  (intergenerational volunteering)</li><li><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/04/subjective-age-how-old-you-feel-difference/673086/">The Puzzling Gap Between How Old You Are and How Old You Think You Are</a> by Jennifer Senior (The Atlantic, Feb. 23, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep13-ashton-applewhite-on-ageism-undoing-biases-and-the-work-of-becoming-aware/">S3-EP13: Ashton Applewhite on the Ugly Heart of Ageism</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Recent Articles</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/adam-gopnik-mastery-later-in-life/">The New Yorker's Adam Gopnik on the Mystery of Mastery Later in Life</a> (Next Avenue, April 13, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/why-arent-older-workers-getting-those-age-friendly-jobs/">Why Aren’t Older Workers Getting Those Age-Friendly Jobs?</a> (Next Avenue, February 2, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-a-change-of-scenery-can-be-life-changing-in-retirement-5c108d">Why a change of scenery can be life-changing in retirement</a> (Market Watch, March 2, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://fortune.com/well/2023/03/06/biden-administration-cracking-down-on-medicare-marketing/">Aggressive Medicare Advantage marketing floods TV and mailboxes with misleading ads. The Biden administration is cracking down</a> (Fortune, March 6, 2023)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Books he’s read and enjoyed recently:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Real-Work-Mystery-Mastery/dp/1324090758">The Real Work: On the Mystery of Mastery</a> by Adam Gopnik (Liveright, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Next-Power-Reinvention-Life-Work/dp/006307348X">Next!: The Power of Reinvention in Life and Work</a> by Joanne Lipman (Mariner Books, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Family-Chao-Lan-Samantha-Chang/dp/0393868079">The Family Chao: A Novel</a> by <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Lan-Samantha-Chang/e/B001HMTJG6/ref=dp_byline_cont_book_1">Lan Samantha Chang</a> (W. W. Norton & Company, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Age-Code-Beliefs-Determine-ebook/dp/B0995X5JNC">Breaking the Age Code: How Your Beliefs About Aging Determine How Long and Well You Live</a> by <a href="https://becca-levy.com/">Becca Levy, PhD</a> (William Morrow, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Aftermath-Last-Future-Power-America/dp/0593489691/">The Aftermath: The Last Days of the Baby Boom and the Future of Power in America</a> by <a href="https://www.pbump.com/">Phil Bump</a> (Viking, 2023)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>[B]OLDER podcast episodes about intergenerational collaboration:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s4-ep4-aging-options-skylar-skikos-on-intergenerational-and-regenerative-communities/">S4-EP4: Aging Options: Skylar Skikos on Intergenerational and Regenerative Communities</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep15-encores-marci-alboher-aanchal-dhar-on-intergenerational-collaboration-and-why-its-important-right-now/">S3-EP15: Encore's Marci Alboher & Aanchal Dhar on Intergenerational Collaboration and Why It’s Important Right Now</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLDER podcast</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li></ul><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debbie brings veteran journalist and prolific freelance writer <a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/writer/richard-eisenberg/">Richard Eisenberg</a> back on the podcast one year after he "unretired" from full-time work as managing editor of <a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/">Next Avenue</a>. When they spoke a year ago, he was just embarking on his new life. Today, he reflects on surprises, what he's learned, what he's working on, and more.</p><p>Richard defines <i>unretirement</i> as a mixture of paid and unpaid work, as well as the opportunity to delve into unexplored passions, travel, volunteer, and spend more time with family.</p><p>He tells Debbie that the biggest surprise so far is how challenging it has been to adjust to a wide-open schedule on his calendar. He has lots of days with a full plate but the blank days are discomfiting. Debbie suggests that he cheat and put "take a walk" or "pick up the dry cleaning" on his Apple calendar. He reveals that he much prefers a paper calendar and carries one around with him, with his appointments entered, changed, and scratched off.</p><p>He and Debbie also discuss ageism, the ethics of writing with help from AI (aka Chat GPT), and fraudulent Medicare Advantage marketing. They also talk about the increasing number of age-friendly jobs and why older workers (who value flexibility, autonomy, etc.) are NOT getting them.</p><p>This is a great conversation from a down-to-earth practitioner of the art of unretirement. You'll find links to some of his recent articles in the show notes below. All are about issues related to retirement and aging.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/writer/richard-eisenberg/">Bio</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/richeis315">Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/richardeisenberg/">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/next-avenues-managing-editor-says-goodbye-but-not-farewell/">Next Avenue's Managing Editor Says Goodbye - But Not Farewell</a> by Richard Eisenberg (Jan. 4, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s4-ep11-richard-eisenberg-renowned-editor-on-taking-practical-first-steps-into-unretirement/">S4-EP11: Renowned Editor Richard Eisenberg on Taking Practical First Steps into "Unretirement"</a>  (Feb. 2022)</li><li><a href="https://openai.com/blog/chatgpt">ChatGPT</a>: He’s writing an article about how older people can use ChatGPT in a number of ways. Will add link when it's published.</li><li><a href="https://www.sps.nyu.edu/homepage/academics/divisions-and-departments/center-for-publishing-and-applied-liberal-arts/summer-publishing-institute.html">NYU Summer Publishing Institute</a></li><li>​​<a href="http://furnitureassist.com/">Furniture Assist</a>  (intergenerational volunteering)</li><li><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/04/subjective-age-how-old-you-feel-difference/673086/">The Puzzling Gap Between How Old You Are and How Old You Think You Are</a> by Jennifer Senior (The Atlantic, Feb. 23, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep13-ashton-applewhite-on-ageism-undoing-biases-and-the-work-of-becoming-aware/">S3-EP13: Ashton Applewhite on the Ugly Heart of Ageism</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Recent Articles</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/adam-gopnik-mastery-later-in-life/">The New Yorker's Adam Gopnik on the Mystery of Mastery Later in Life</a> (Next Avenue, April 13, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/why-arent-older-workers-getting-those-age-friendly-jobs/">Why Aren’t Older Workers Getting Those Age-Friendly Jobs?</a> (Next Avenue, February 2, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-a-change-of-scenery-can-be-life-changing-in-retirement-5c108d">Why a change of scenery can be life-changing in retirement</a> (Market Watch, March 2, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://fortune.com/well/2023/03/06/biden-administration-cracking-down-on-medicare-marketing/">Aggressive Medicare Advantage marketing floods TV and mailboxes with misleading ads. The Biden administration is cracking down</a> (Fortune, March 6, 2023)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Books he’s read and enjoyed recently:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Real-Work-Mystery-Mastery/dp/1324090758">The Real Work: On the Mystery of Mastery</a> by Adam Gopnik (Liveright, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Next-Power-Reinvention-Life-Work/dp/006307348X">Next!: The Power of Reinvention in Life and Work</a> by Joanne Lipman (Mariner Books, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Family-Chao-Lan-Samantha-Chang/dp/0393868079">The Family Chao: A Novel</a> by <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Lan-Samantha-Chang/e/B001HMTJG6/ref=dp_byline_cont_book_1">Lan Samantha Chang</a> (W. W. 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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Debbie brings back a favorite recurring guest, <strong>Silicon Valley legend Guy Kawasaki</strong>, to talk about legacy, aging, ChatGPT, why podcasting is his "ikigai," and more  — and <strong>to celebrate the 100th episode of [B]OLDER.</strong></p><p>Guy is the original Apple evangelist, a prolific author, a surfer (at age 68), and perhaps most importantly, a podcaster. Guy is the creator and host of the popular <a href="https://guykawasaki.com/remarkable-people/">Remarkable People</a> podcast. </p><p>Podcasting is his <i>ikigai</i> (a Japanese expression meaning reason for being or purpose) and <i>Remarkable People</i> is his best work, he says.</p><p>He and Debbie discuss ChatGPT, the natural language processing tool driven by AI  that everyone is talking about. Guy offers ways he is using ChatGPT, including:</p><p>- To write a first draft of a podcast intro for a guest</p><p>- To write form letters to an insurance company (he settled his claim favorably!)</p><p>- To write the first draft of his new book (based on his podcast). He is using ChatGPT as a more powerful thesaurus and in other ways.</p><p>Listen to the episode for more tips and to hear how Guy makes Debbie laugh - and think.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://guykawasaki.com/guy-kawasaki/">About Guy Kawasaki</a></li><li>The <a href="https://guykawasaki.com/remarkable-people/">Remarkable People</a> podcast</li><li><a href="https://openai.com/blog/chatgpt">About ChatGPT</a></li><li><a href="https://chat.openai.com/auth/login">Sign up for ChatGPT (it's free)</a></li><li><a href="https://www.templegrandin.com/">Temple Grandin</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep7-guy-kawasaki-life-lessons-at-65/">Guy Kawasaki’s Life Lessons at 65</a> (Season 2, Episode 7)</li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep1-guy-kawasaki-gets-serious-about-his-better-normal-the-american-experiment-and-what-history-will-say-about-2020/">Guy Kawasaki on What History Will Say About 2020</a> (Season 3, Episode 1)</li></ul><p><br /><strong>Episodes of Remarkable People that Debbie has especially enjoyed or that Guy mentioned:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://guykawasaki.com/dan-lyons-how-to-improve-your-life-by-shutting-up/">Dan Lyons: How to Improve Your Life By Shutting Up</a></li><li><a href="https://guykawasaki.com/derek-sivers-taking-care-of-business/">Derek Sivers: Taking Care of Business</a></li><li><a href="https://guykawasaki.com/andrea-lytle-peet-the-embodiment-of-perseverance/">Andrea Lytle Peet: the Embodiment of Perseverance</a></li><li><a href="https://guykawasaki.com/esther-dyson-whats-after-success/">Esther Dyson: What's After Success</a></li><li><a href="https://guykawasaki.com/julia-cameron-2/">Julia Cameron: Author of The Artist's Way and Creator of Morning Pages</a></li></ul><p><br /><strong>Get the inside skinny on every episode of [B]OLDER:</strong></p><p>Subscribe to Debbie’s newsletter for the inside story about every episode. You will also get her 34-page writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p><br /><strong>Request from Debbie:</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please take a moment to leave a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It really makes a difference in attracting new listeners. </p><p><br /><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLDER podcast</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li></ul><p><br /><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p><br /><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p><br /><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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Guy offers ways he is using ChatGPT, including:</p><p>- To write a first draft of a podcast intro for a guest</p><p>- To write form letters to an insurance company (he settled his claim favorably!)</p><p>- To write the first draft of his new book (based on his podcast). He is using ChatGPT as a more powerful thesaurus and in other ways.</p><p>Listen to the episode for more tips and to hear how Guy makes Debbie laugh - and think.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://guykawasaki.com/guy-kawasaki/">About Guy Kawasaki</a></li><li>The <a href="https://guykawasaki.com/remarkable-people/">Remarkable People</a> podcast</li><li><a href="https://openai.com/blog/chatgpt">About ChatGPT</a></li><li><a href="https://chat.openai.com/auth/login">Sign up for ChatGPT (it's free)</a></li><li><a href="https://www.templegrandin.com/">Temple Grandin</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep7-guy-kawasaki-life-lessons-at-65/">Guy Kawasaki’s Life Lessons at 65</a> (Season 2, Episode 7)</li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep1-guy-kawasaki-gets-serious-about-his-better-normal-the-american-experiment-and-what-history-will-say-about-2020/">Guy Kawasaki on What History Will Say About 2020</a> (Season 3, Episode 1)</li></ul><p><br /><strong>Episodes of Remarkable People that Debbie has especially enjoyed or that Guy mentioned:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://guykawasaki.com/dan-lyons-how-to-improve-your-life-by-shutting-up/">Dan Lyons: How to Improve Your Life By Shutting Up</a></li><li><a href="https://guykawasaki.com/derek-sivers-taking-care-of-business/">Derek Sivers: Taking Care of Business</a></li><li><a href="https://guykawasaki.com/andrea-lytle-peet-the-embodiment-of-perseverance/">Andrea Lytle Peet: the Embodiment of Perseverance</a></li><li><a href="https://guykawasaki.com/esther-dyson-whats-after-success/">Esther Dyson: What's After Success</a></li><li><a href="https://guykawasaki.com/julia-cameron-2/">Julia Cameron: Author of The Artist's Way and Creator of Morning Pages</a></li></ul><p><br /><strong>Get the inside skinny on every episode of [B]OLDER:</strong></p><p>Subscribe to Debbie’s newsletter for the inside story about every episode. You will also get her 34-page writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p><br /><strong>Request from Debbie:</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please take a moment to leave a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It really makes a difference in attracting new listeners. </p><p><br /><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLDER podcast</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li></ul><p><br /><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p><br /><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p><br /><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Debbie Weil talks to <strong>Bonnie Lee Black</strong>, an author and blogger who retired in her 70s to affordable and magical San Miguel de Allende in Mexico.</p><p>SMA, as it's called, has become a haven for expat retirees, especially single older women. It has been named (three times in a row) the <a href="https://www.discoversma.com/news/community-news/san-miguel-de-allende-recognized-as-the-best-small-city-in-the-world/#:~:text=For%20the%20third%20consecutive%20year,Spanish%20San%20Sebastian%20or%20Malaga.">Best Small City in the World</a> by Condé Nast Traveler.  And it's a UNESCO World Heritage Site. </p><p>Debbie and her husband Sam spent three weeks there in February '23  and were charmed by the Spanish colonial architecture, the cobblestone streets, the tiny shops, the rooftop restaurants, the perfect weather, and of course the pink wedding cake cathedral, referred to as the Parroquia, in the main square.</p><p>While they are not seriously considering retiring there, Debbie was intrigued by Bonnie's blog and her experiences as a permanente (permanent resident). Bonnie's blog post titled <a href="http://bonnieleeblack.com/blog/2023/02/page/4/">Watch Your Step</a> (about the dangerously uneven sidewalks) caught Debbie's attention so she reached out to invite her onto the podcast. They subsequently became friends.</p><p>Bonnie has been a professional writer and editor for more than 40 years (she's the author of five books), was an  educator in the U.S., and now writes a popular weekly blog, the WOW Factor.</p><p>Bonnie gives Debbie an insider's perspective on living full time in this beautiful place. First among the many pros is the low cost of living, making SMA affordable for single women living on a fixed income. And then there's the weather (yes, hard to overstate how perfect it is), the absence of ageism, the kindness of the people, the endless number of volunteer opportunities and classes to take and more. </p><p>And she shares the one con for older retirees that Debbie noticed immediately upon arriving: those sidewalks.</p><p><a href="http://bonnieleeblack.com/blog/debbie-weil-on-purpose/">Bonnie also interviewed Debbie</a>  as part of her series on WOW (wise older women).</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="http://bonnieleeblack.com/biography.php">Bonnie Lee Black bio</a></li><li><a href="http://bonnieleeblack.com/index.php">Bonnie’s books</a></li><li><a href="http://bonnieleeblack.com/blog/">The WOW Factor</a> (Bonnie's blog)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>San Miguel de Allende</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.thetravel.com/is-san-miguel-de-allende-mexico-the-worlds-best-small-city/#">Best Small City in the World (2022)</a></li><li>Daily Newsletter: <a href="https://www.smafaq.com/blog">San Miguel FAQ</a></li><li><a href="https://www.atencionsma.com/">Atencion - San Miguel de Allende</a>, bilingual newspaper</li><li><a href="https://www.cntraveller.com/gallery/san-miguel-de-allende-mexico">San Miguel de Allende Mexico | CN Traveller</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Recommended books about SMA</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/This-Mexico-Tales-Culture-Complications/dp/1631529625/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1O42H27YRVZUW&keywords=this+is+mexico+carol&qid=1677898350&sprefix=this+is+mexico+carol%2Caps%2C174&sr=8-1">This Is Mexico: Tales of Culture and Other Complications</a> by Carol Merchasin (She Writes Press, 2015)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Mexican-Time-New-Life-Miguel/dp/0767903196">On Mexican Time: A New Life in San Miguel</a> by Tony Cohan (Broadway Books, January 2001)</li><li><a href="https://www.taomexico.com/post/retiring-in-san-miguel-de-allende">Retiring in San Miguel de Allende, Mexico. Is it for you?</a> (TaoMexico)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Selected WOW Factor blog posts:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="http://bonnieleeblack.com/blog/watch-your-step/">On the uneven sidewalks in SMA</a></li><li><a href="http://bonnieleeblack.com/blog/debbie-weil-on-purpose/">Bonnie's interview with Debbie Weil on Purpose</a></li><li><a href="http://bonnieleeblack.com/blog/cortesia/">On understanding Mexican culture</a></li><li><a href="http://bonnieleeblack.com/blog/beginners/">On learning Spanish: Beginners</a><br /> </li></ul><p><strong>Get the inside skinny on every episode of [B]OLDER</strong></p><p>Subscribe to Debbie’s newsletter for the inside story about every episode. You will also get her 34-page writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Request from Debbie:</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please take a moment to leave a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It really makes a difference in attracting new listeners.  </p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLDER podcast</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <author>wordbiz@gmail.com (Debbie Weil, Bonnie Lee Black)</author>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debbie Weil talks to <strong>Bonnie Lee Black</strong>, an author and blogger who retired in her 70s to affordable and magical San Miguel de Allende in Mexico.</p><p>SMA, as it's called, has become a haven for expat retirees, especially single older women. It has been named (three times in a row) the <a href="https://www.discoversma.com/news/community-news/san-miguel-de-allende-recognized-as-the-best-small-city-in-the-world/#:~:text=For%20the%20third%20consecutive%20year,Spanish%20San%20Sebastian%20or%20Malaga.">Best Small City in the World</a> by Condé Nast Traveler.  And it's a UNESCO World Heritage Site. </p><p>Debbie and her husband Sam spent three weeks there in February '23  and were charmed by the Spanish colonial architecture, the cobblestone streets, the tiny shops, the rooftop restaurants, the perfect weather, and of course the pink wedding cake cathedral, referred to as the Parroquia, in the main square.</p><p>While they are not seriously considering retiring there, Debbie was intrigued by Bonnie's blog and her experiences as a permanente (permanent resident). Bonnie's blog post titled <a href="http://bonnieleeblack.com/blog/2023/02/page/4/">Watch Your Step</a> (about the dangerously uneven sidewalks) caught Debbie's attention so she reached out to invite her onto the podcast. They subsequently became friends.</p><p>Bonnie has been a professional writer and editor for more than 40 years (she's the author of five books), was an  educator in the U.S., and now writes a popular weekly blog, the WOW Factor.</p><p>Bonnie gives Debbie an insider's perspective on living full time in this beautiful place. First among the many pros is the low cost of living, making SMA affordable for single women living on a fixed income. And then there's the weather (yes, hard to overstate how perfect it is), the absence of ageism, the kindness of the people, the endless number of volunteer opportunities and classes to take and more. </p><p>And she shares the one con for older retirees that Debbie noticed immediately upon arriving: those sidewalks.</p><p><a href="http://bonnieleeblack.com/blog/debbie-weil-on-purpose/">Bonnie also interviewed Debbie</a>  as part of her series on WOW (wise older women).</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="http://bonnieleeblack.com/biography.php">Bonnie Lee Black bio</a></li><li><a href="http://bonnieleeblack.com/index.php">Bonnie’s books</a></li><li><a href="http://bonnieleeblack.com/blog/">The WOW Factor</a> (Bonnie's blog)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>San Miguel de Allende</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.thetravel.com/is-san-miguel-de-allende-mexico-the-worlds-best-small-city/#">Best Small City in the World (2022)</a></li><li>Daily Newsletter: <a href="https://www.smafaq.com/blog">San Miguel FAQ</a></li><li><a href="https://www.atencionsma.com/">Atencion - San Miguel de Allende</a>, bilingual newspaper</li><li><a href="https://www.cntraveller.com/gallery/san-miguel-de-allende-mexico">San Miguel de Allende Mexico | CN Traveller</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Recommended books about SMA</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/This-Mexico-Tales-Culture-Complications/dp/1631529625/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1O42H27YRVZUW&keywords=this+is+mexico+carol&qid=1677898350&sprefix=this+is+mexico+carol%2Caps%2C174&sr=8-1">This Is Mexico: Tales of Culture and Other Complications</a> by Carol Merchasin (She Writes Press, 2015)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Mexican-Time-New-Life-Miguel/dp/0767903196">On Mexican Time: A New Life in San Miguel</a> by Tony Cohan (Broadway Books, January 2001)</li><li><a href="https://www.taomexico.com/post/retiring-in-san-miguel-de-allende">Retiring in San Miguel de Allende, Mexico. Is it for you?</a> (TaoMexico)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Selected WOW Factor blog posts:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="http://bonnieleeblack.com/blog/watch-your-step/">On the uneven sidewalks in SMA</a></li><li><a href="http://bonnieleeblack.com/blog/debbie-weil-on-purpose/">Bonnie's interview with Debbie Weil on Purpose</a></li><li><a href="http://bonnieleeblack.com/blog/cortesia/">On understanding Mexican culture</a></li><li><a href="http://bonnieleeblack.com/blog/beginners/">On learning Spanish: Beginners</a><br /> </li></ul><p><strong>Get the inside skinny on every episode of [B]OLDER</strong></p><p>Subscribe to Debbie’s newsletter for the inside story about every episode. You will also get her 34-page writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Request from Debbie:</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please take a moment to leave a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It really makes a difference in attracting new listeners.  </p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLDER podcast</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <title>Star Bradbury on How to Successfully Navigate the Care of Elderly Parents</title>
      <description><![CDATA[<p>Debbie talks to eldercare expert <strong>Star Bradbury</strong> about some of the most important topics in her comprehensive new book, <i>Successfully Navigating Your Parents' Senior Years: Critical Information to Maximize Their Independence and Make Sure They Get the Care They Need </i>(BenBella Books, March 21, 2023).</p><p>Soon after they spoke, Debbie's 92-year-old mother died unexpectedly, making the conversation especially timely.</p><p>Star's book is a compendium of how to plan and care for an elderly parent - or your own care many years down the road. She covers every topic you could think of including different types of assisted living and home care, assistive robots for seniors (yes, it's a thing), living wills and advance directives, hospice and death doulas, cremation and green burials, and much more.</p><p>"Expect the unexpected" is part of her message. And In my family's case, we were unprepared. We were stunned when our mom died. We had expected our dad to go first.</p><p>The book is the result of her 25 years of experience in senior healthcare and senior living and her answer to the overwhelming complexity  of options and situations when it comes to aging parents.</p><p>Star is also speaking to those of us in our 60s and 70s (and younger) who should be looking at planning for what she calls “post-retirement."</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://starbradbury.com/">Star Bradbury's website</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/SeniorLivingStrategies">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKQDWRE4KobRuGgPmEMIfwA">YouTube</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Successfully-Navigating-Parents-Senior-Years/dp/1637742479/">Successfully Navigating Your Parents' Senior Years: Critical Information to Maximize Their Independence and Make Sure They Get the Care They Need</a> by Star Bradbury (BenBella Books, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://theconversationproject.org/">The Conversation Project</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Get the inside skinny on every episode of [B]OLDER:</strong></p><ul><li>Subscribe to Debbie’s newsletter for the inside story about every episode. You will also get her 34-page writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Request from Debbie:</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please take a moment to leave a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It really makes a difference in attracting new listeners.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLDER podcast</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 3 Mar 2023 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>wordbiz@gmail.com (Star Bradbury, Debbie Weil)</author>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debbie talks to eldercare expert <strong>Star Bradbury</strong> about some of the most important topics in her comprehensive new book, <i>Successfully Navigating Your Parents' Senior Years: Critical Information to Maximize Their Independence and Make Sure They Get the Care They Need </i>(BenBella Books, March 21, 2023).</p><p>Soon after they spoke, Debbie's 92-year-old mother died unexpectedly, making the conversation especially timely.</p><p>Star's book is a compendium of how to plan and care for an elderly parent - or your own care many years down the road. She covers every topic you could think of including different types of assisted living and home care, assistive robots for seniors (yes, it's a thing), living wills and advance directives, hospice and death doulas, cremation and green burials, and much more.</p><p>"Expect the unexpected" is part of her message. And In my family's case, we were unprepared. We were stunned when our mom died. We had expected our dad to go first.</p><p>The book is the result of her 25 years of experience in senior healthcare and senior living and her answer to the overwhelming complexity  of options and situations when it comes to aging parents.</p><p>Star is also speaking to those of us in our 60s and 70s (and younger) who should be looking at planning for what she calls “post-retirement."</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://starbradbury.com/">Star Bradbury's website</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/SeniorLivingStrategies">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKQDWRE4KobRuGgPmEMIfwA">YouTube</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Successfully-Navigating-Parents-Senior-Years/dp/1637742479/">Successfully Navigating Your Parents' Senior Years: Critical Information to Maximize Their Independence and Make Sure They Get the Care They Need</a> by Star Bradbury (BenBella Books, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://theconversationproject.org/">The Conversation Project</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Get the inside skinny on every episode of [B]OLDER:</strong></p><ul><li>Subscribe to Debbie’s newsletter for the inside story about every episode. You will also get her 34-page writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Request from Debbie:</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please take a moment to leave a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It really makes a difference in attracting new listeners.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLDER podcast</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie brings her producer and friend Julie-Roxane back on the podcast to talk about decision-making.</p><p>When you plan ahead 10, 15 or 20 years how do you make the right decisions knowing the future is always uncertain?</p><p>Julie-Roxane, 30, and Debbie, 71, discuss the challenges of decision-making, whether it’s deciding to have children or planning for old age.</p><p>They talk about the concept of <i>maximiser </i>vs. <i>satisficer</i>, two different approaches to decision-making. (<i>Can you guess which is more effective?</i>) They end by reversing roles and giving each other advice about big upcoming decisions. </p><p>Tune in for a rich intergenerational conversation.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Successfully-Navigating-Parents-Senior-Years/dp/1637742479/ref=sr_1_1?crid=G21EFWY49DSW&keywords=star+bradbury&qid=1661896025&sprefix=star+bradbury%2Caps%2C211&sr=8-1">Successfully Navigating Your Parents' Senior Years: Critical Information to Maximize Their Independence and Make Sure They Get the Care They Need</a> by <a href="https://starbradbury.com/">Star Bradbury</a> (BenBella Books, March 21, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://zenhabits.net/uncertainty-guide/">A Guide to Dealing with Uncertainty About What Path to Take</a> by Leo Babauta</li><li><a href="https://www.psychologistworld.com/cognitive/maximizers-satisficers-decision-making">Maximisers vs. Satisfyers: Who Makes Better Decisions?</a> (PsychologistWorld.com)</li><li><a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/the-advantage-of-fewer-choices/">The Advantage of Fewer Choices</a> by Debbie Weil for the Gap Year After Sixty blog</li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Previous episodes with Debbie and Julie-Roxane:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s4-ep14-debbie-and-julie-roxane-on-messy-conversations-about-old-age-and-dying/">S4-EP14: Debbie and Julie-Roxane on Messy Conversations About Old Age and Dying</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s4-ep5-debbie-and-julie-roxane-dissect-how-reinventing-your-life-really-works/">S4-EP5: Debbie and Julie-Roxane Dissect How Reinventing Your Life Really Works</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep14-julie-roxane-and-alasdair-on-living-the-dream-winging-it-in-guatemala/">S2-EP14: Julie-Roxane and Alasdair on Living the Dream</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Get the inside skinny on every episode of [B]OLDER:</strong></p><p>Subscribe to Debbie’s newsletter for the inside story about every episode. You will also get her 34-page writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Request from Debbie:</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please take a moment to leave a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It really makes a difference in attracting new listeners. </p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLDER podcast</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Formerly, Next For Me (in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie brings her producer and friend Julie-Roxane back on the podcast to talk about decision-making.</p><p>When you plan ahead 10, 15 or 20 years how do you make the right decisions knowing the future is always uncertain?</p><p>Julie-Roxane, 30, and Debbie, 71, discuss the challenges of decision-making, whether it’s deciding to have children or planning for old age.</p><p>They talk about the concept of <i>maximiser </i>vs. <i>satisficer</i>, two different approaches to decision-making. (<i>Can you guess which is more effective?</i>) They end by reversing roles and giving each other advice about big upcoming decisions. </p><p>Tune in for a rich intergenerational conversation.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Successfully-Navigating-Parents-Senior-Years/dp/1637742479/ref=sr_1_1?crid=G21EFWY49DSW&keywords=star+bradbury&qid=1661896025&sprefix=star+bradbury%2Caps%2C211&sr=8-1">Successfully Navigating Your Parents' Senior Years: Critical Information to Maximize Their Independence and Make Sure They Get the Care They Need</a> by <a href="https://starbradbury.com/">Star Bradbury</a> (BenBella Books, March 21, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://zenhabits.net/uncertainty-guide/">A Guide to Dealing with Uncertainty About What Path to Take</a> by Leo Babauta</li><li><a href="https://www.psychologistworld.com/cognitive/maximizers-satisficers-decision-making">Maximisers vs. Satisfyers: Who Makes Better Decisions?</a> (PsychologistWorld.com)</li><li><a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/the-advantage-of-fewer-choices/">The Advantage of Fewer Choices</a> by Debbie Weil for the Gap Year After Sixty blog</li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Previous episodes with Debbie and Julie-Roxane:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s4-ep14-debbie-and-julie-roxane-on-messy-conversations-about-old-age-and-dying/">S4-EP14: Debbie and Julie-Roxane on Messy Conversations About Old Age and Dying</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s4-ep5-debbie-and-julie-roxane-dissect-how-reinventing-your-life-really-works/">S4-EP5: Debbie and Julie-Roxane Dissect How Reinventing Your Life Really Works</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep14-julie-roxane-and-alasdair-on-living-the-dream-winging-it-in-guatemala/">S2-EP14: Julie-Roxane and Alasdair on Living the Dream</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Get the inside skinny on every episode of [B]OLDER:</strong></p><p>Subscribe to Debbie’s newsletter for the inside story about every episode. You will also get her 34-page writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Request from Debbie:</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please take a moment to leave a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It really makes a difference in attracting new listeners. </p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLDER podcast</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Formerly, Next For Me (in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Debbie brings her favorite recurring guest, husband <a href="https://samharrington.com/about">Sam Harrington</a>, back onto the show. This is a special episode because they are celebrating 50 years of marriage today, Feb. 3, 2023.</p><p>They were married a half century ago, in 1973. It was truly another age,  pre-Internet and so much more. They were both 21. That's an astonishing fact: they were obviously too young to get married. But they did and the marriage has lasted. </p><p>They acknowledge how lucky they are and how much they have to be grateful for.  They have six grandchildren, they like hanging out together, and Sam is still teasing Debbie and making her laugh.</p><p>They talk about the trivial and the existential and how it's okay to feel grief when they look back at their youthful passion and how young and beautiful they were. And how now is a time to think about their mortality and to try and enjoy each present moment.</p><p>Things do change in a long marriage, as you’ll hear. </p><p>One thing doesn’t, however.  As always, Debbie and Sam disagree about a lot of things. "But that's all good..." A phrase they've adopted after watching <a href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3610926/">W1A</a>, a very funny British TV series starring Hugh Bonneville.<br /> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3610926/">W1A (British TV Series about the BBC, 2014–2020)</a></li><li>W1A Excerpt: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-3F0j5FIhQ">BBC Group Activity | W1A</a>  (Hugh Bonneville character says “That’s all good” at 3:00)</li><li><a href="https://samharrington.com/at-peace/">At Peace: Choosing a Good Death After a Long Life</a> by Sam Harrington (Grand Central Life & Style, 2018)</li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s5-ep1-debbie-sam-explore-iceland-with-two-grandchildren/">[B]OLDER S5-EP1: Debbie & Sam Explore Iceland With Two Grandchildren</a></li></ul><p><br /><strong>Previous episodes featuring Debbie Weil and her husband Sam Harrington:</strong></p><ul><li>S4-EP6: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s4-ep6-debbie-sam-on-entering-the-land-of-the-old/">Debbie & Sam on Entering the Land of the Old</a></li><li>S3-EP22: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep22-debbie-sam-on-getting-calm-and-centered-in-baja/">Debbie & Sam on Getting Calm and Centered in Baja</a></li><li>S3-EP16: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep16-debbie-sam-on-fasting-for-five-days/">Debbie & Sam on Fasting For Five Days and Why They Were Crazy Enough to Do It</a></li><li>S2-EP24: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep24-debbie-sam-on-the-gap-year-for-everyone-silver-linings-not-shoulding-and-season-3/">Debbie & Sam on the Gap Year For Everyone, Silver Linings, and Not Should'ing</a></li><li>S2-EP18: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep18-debbie-sam-on-the-new-normal-quarantines-immunity-passports-and-masks-gloves/">Debbie & Sam on the New Normal, Quarantines, Immunity Passports, and Masks & Gloves</a></li><li>S2-EP12: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep12-debbie-sam-on-the-coronavirus-magical-thinking-and-aging/">Debbie & Sam on the Coronavirus, Magical Thinking, and Aging</a></li><li>S1-EP10: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-10-our-bucket-list-debbie-and-sam-live-in-france/">On Debbie & Sam's Bucket List: Living in France</a></li><li>S1-EP2: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-2-deciding-to-take-a-gap-year-at-62/">Debbie & Sam on How They Decided to Take a Gap Year at Age 62</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Get the inside skinny on every episode of [B]OLDER:</strong></p><p>Subscribe to Debbie’s newsletter for the inside story about every episode. You will also get her 34-page writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Request from Debbie:</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please take a moment to leave a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It really makes a difference in attracting new listeners. </p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLDER podcast</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debbie brings her favorite recurring guest, husband <a href="https://samharrington.com/about">Sam Harrington</a>, back onto the show. This is a special episode because they are celebrating 50 years of marriage today, Feb. 3, 2023.</p><p>They were married a half century ago, in 1973. It was truly another age,  pre-Internet and so much more. They were both 21. That's an astonishing fact: they were obviously too young to get married. But they did and the marriage has lasted. </p><p>They acknowledge how lucky they are and how much they have to be grateful for.  They have six grandchildren, they like hanging out together, and Sam is still teasing Debbie and making her laugh.</p><p>They talk about the trivial and the existential and how it's okay to feel grief when they look back at their youthful passion and how young and beautiful they were. And how now is a time to think about their mortality and to try and enjoy each present moment.</p><p>Things do change in a long marriage, as you’ll hear. </p><p>One thing doesn’t, however.  As always, Debbie and Sam disagree about a lot of things. "But that's all good..." A phrase they've adopted after watching <a href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3610926/">W1A</a>, a very funny British TV series starring Hugh Bonneville.<br /> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3610926/">W1A (British TV Series about the BBC, 2014–2020)</a></li><li>W1A Excerpt: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-3F0j5FIhQ">BBC Group Activity | W1A</a>  (Hugh Bonneville character says “That’s all good” at 3:00)</li><li><a href="https://samharrington.com/at-peace/">At Peace: Choosing a Good Death After a Long Life</a> by Sam Harrington (Grand Central Life & Style, 2018)</li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s5-ep1-debbie-sam-explore-iceland-with-two-grandchildren/">[B]OLDER S5-EP1: Debbie & Sam Explore Iceland With Two Grandchildren</a></li></ul><p><br /><strong>Previous episodes featuring Debbie Weil and her husband Sam Harrington:</strong></p><ul><li>S4-EP6: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s4-ep6-debbie-sam-on-entering-the-land-of-the-old/">Debbie & Sam on Entering the Land of the Old</a></li><li>S3-EP22: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep22-debbie-sam-on-getting-calm-and-centered-in-baja/">Debbie & Sam on Getting Calm and Centered in Baja</a></li><li>S3-EP16: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep16-debbie-sam-on-fasting-for-five-days/">Debbie & Sam on Fasting For Five Days and Why They Were Crazy Enough to Do It</a></li><li>S2-EP24: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep24-debbie-sam-on-the-gap-year-for-everyone-silver-linings-not-shoulding-and-season-3/">Debbie & Sam on the Gap Year For Everyone, Silver Linings, and Not Should'ing</a></li><li>S2-EP18: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep18-debbie-sam-on-the-new-normal-quarantines-immunity-passports-and-masks-gloves/">Debbie & Sam on the New Normal, Quarantines, Immunity Passports, and Masks & Gloves</a></li><li>S2-EP12: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep12-debbie-sam-on-the-coronavirus-magical-thinking-and-aging/">Debbie & Sam on the Coronavirus, Magical Thinking, and Aging</a></li><li>S1-EP10: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-10-our-bucket-list-debbie-and-sam-live-in-france/">On Debbie & Sam's Bucket List: Living in France</a></li><li>S1-EP2: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-2-deciding-to-take-a-gap-year-at-62/">Debbie & Sam on How They Decided to Take a Gap Year at Age 62</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Get the inside skinny on every episode of [B]OLDER:</strong></p><p>Subscribe to Debbie’s newsletter for the inside story about every episode. You will also get her 34-page writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Request from Debbie:</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please take a moment to leave a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It really makes a difference in attracting new listeners. </p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLDER podcast</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <title>Andrew Steele on Research at the Cellular Level That Could Slow Aging</title>
      <description><![CDATA[<p>Today Debbie tackles the topic of aging (better? longer??) with Andrew Steele, an ebullient British scientist, writer and author of <a href="https://andrewsteele.co.uk/ageless/">Ageless: The New Science of Getting Older Without Getting Old.</a></p><p>After earning a PhD in physics from Oxford, Andrew decided that aging -  not cancer or other diseases - was the single most important scientific challenge of our time. Why? Because of the suffering that goes along with old age.</p><p>So he switched fields to biogerontology, the study of the processes of aging at the cellular level.</p><p>Andrew, 37, doesn’t advocate for immortality. As he puts it: “It’s not about extending lifespan, but rather healthspan." His interest, he maintains, is in helping humans stay healthier longer. </p><p>Debbie asks Andrew what the most important biological aging processes are. He responds with a clear explanation of cell biology as it relates to aging: from senescent cells and cellular exhaustion to your epigenetic age, and more.</p><p>And he explains that some of these genes and processes can be manipulated to slow or possibly reverse aging - at least, so far, in worms and mice.</p><p>Andrew is exuberant and makes everything understandable.</p><p><br />They talk about:</p><ul><li>The 10 hallmarks of the aging process</li><li>Specifically, how research on worms and mice translates to humans</li><li>Why 65 - 70 could be the ideal age to take an anti-aging pill (no, it doesn't exist yet)</li></ul><p><br />They also discuss:</p><ul><li>Dietary restriction (a topic of aging research since the 1950s)</li><li>Why the mega-wealthy are so interested in biohacking to improve health and extend life</li><li>Moral and ethical implications of humans living much longer</li></ul><p><br />This is an important conversation and we hope you will find it as thought provoking as we did.  </p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://andrewsteele.co.uk/about/">Bio</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@DrAndrewSteele/featured">YouTube channel</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/tNn-2TXzSaA">How science can reverse aging - and why we'd want to</a> (video)</li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/statto">Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/andrewjsteele/">Instagram</a></li></ul><p><br /><strong>Andrew's book and bonus chapter</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Ageless-Science-Getting-Older-Without/dp/0385544928/ref=sr_1_1?">Ageless: The New Science of Getting Older Without Getting Old</a> by Andrew Steele (Doubleday, 2021)</li><li>Bonus chapter: <a href="https://andrewsteele.co.uk/ageless/ethics/">The ethics of ageing biology</a> by Andrew Steele</li><li>Video from bonus chapter: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1Ve0fYuZO8">Would curing aging destroy the planet?</a></li></ul><p><br /><strong>Articles and references</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biogerontology">Biogerontology</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/02/books/review/ageless-andrew-steele.html">Looking Forward to Your 170th Birthday</a> by Annie Murphy Paul (New York Times Book Review, April 2, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/04/opinion/anti-aging-science-longevity.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare">Why Anti-Aging Science is so Alluring</a> by Daniela J. Lamas (New York Times, Jan. 4, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23746838/">The Hallmarks of Aging</a> by Carlos López-Otín, Maria A Blasco, Linda Partridge, Manuel Serrano, Guido Kroemer (Pubmed, June 6, 2013)</li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/maxhertan/status/1595213398358171649">Viral Tweet</a> about <a href="https://blueprint.bryanjohnson.co/">Blueprint & Bryan Johnson</a></li><li><a href="https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/research/car-t-cells">CAR T Cells: Engineering Immune Cells to Treat Cancer</a> (National Cancer Institute)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Get the inside skinny on every episode of [B]OLDER:</strong></p><p>Subscribe to Debbie’s newsletter for the inside story about every episode. You will also get her 34-page writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Request from Debbie:</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please take a moment to leave a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It really makes a difference in attracting new listeners. </p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLDER podcast</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2023 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>wordbiz@gmail.com (Debbie Weil, Andrew Steele)</author>
      <link>https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s5-ep7-andrew-steele-on-research-at-the-cellular-level-to-slow-aging/</link>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today Debbie tackles the topic of aging (better? longer??) with Andrew Steele, an ebullient British scientist, writer and author of <a href="https://andrewsteele.co.uk/ageless/">Ageless: The New Science of Getting Older Without Getting Old.</a></p><p>After earning a PhD in physics from Oxford, Andrew decided that aging -  not cancer or other diseases - was the single most important scientific challenge of our time. Why? Because of the suffering that goes along with old age.</p><p>So he switched fields to biogerontology, the study of the processes of aging at the cellular level.</p><p>Andrew, 37, doesn’t advocate for immortality. As he puts it: “It’s not about extending lifespan, but rather healthspan." His interest, he maintains, is in helping humans stay healthier longer. </p><p>Debbie asks Andrew what the most important biological aging processes are. He responds with a clear explanation of cell biology as it relates to aging: from senescent cells and cellular exhaustion to your epigenetic age, and more.</p><p>And he explains that some of these genes and processes can be manipulated to slow or possibly reverse aging - at least, so far, in worms and mice.</p><p>Andrew is exuberant and makes everything understandable.</p><p><br />They talk about:</p><ul><li>The 10 hallmarks of the aging process</li><li>Specifically, how research on worms and mice translates to humans</li><li>Why 65 - 70 could be the ideal age to take an anti-aging pill (no, it doesn't exist yet)</li></ul><p><br />They also discuss:</p><ul><li>Dietary restriction (a topic of aging research since the 1950s)</li><li>Why the mega-wealthy are so interested in biohacking to improve health and extend life</li><li>Moral and ethical implications of humans living much longer</li></ul><p><br />This is an important conversation and we hope you will find it as thought provoking as we did.  </p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://andrewsteele.co.uk/about/">Bio</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@DrAndrewSteele/featured">YouTube channel</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/tNn-2TXzSaA">How science can reverse aging - and why we'd want to</a> (video)</li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/statto">Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/andrewjsteele/">Instagram</a></li></ul><p><br /><strong>Andrew's book and bonus chapter</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Ageless-Science-Getting-Older-Without/dp/0385544928/ref=sr_1_1?">Ageless: The New Science of Getting Older Without Getting Old</a> by Andrew Steele (Doubleday, 2021)</li><li>Bonus chapter: <a href="https://andrewsteele.co.uk/ageless/ethics/">The ethics of ageing biology</a> by Andrew Steele</li><li>Video from bonus chapter: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1Ve0fYuZO8">Would curing aging destroy the planet?</a></li></ul><p><br /><strong>Articles and references</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biogerontology">Biogerontology</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/02/books/review/ageless-andrew-steele.html">Looking Forward to Your 170th Birthday</a> by Annie Murphy Paul (New York Times Book Review, April 2, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/04/opinion/anti-aging-science-longevity.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare">Why Anti-Aging Science is so Alluring</a> by Daniela J. Lamas (New York Times, Jan. 4, 2023)</li><li><a href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23746838/">The Hallmarks of Aging</a> by Carlos López-Otín, Maria A Blasco, Linda Partridge, Manuel Serrano, Guido Kroemer (Pubmed, June 6, 2013)</li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/maxhertan/status/1595213398358171649">Viral Tweet</a> about <a href="https://blueprint.bryanjohnson.co/">Blueprint & Bryan Johnson</a></li><li><a href="https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/research/car-t-cells">CAR T Cells: Engineering Immune Cells to Treat Cancer</a> (National Cancer Institute)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Get the inside skinny on every episode of [B]OLDER:</strong></p><p>Subscribe to Debbie’s newsletter for the inside story about every episode. You will also get her 34-page writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Request from Debbie:</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please take a moment to leave a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It really makes a difference in attracting new listeners. </p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLDER podcast</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie talks to Jane Brody, the renowned New York Times columnist who until last year wrote the popular weekly Personal Health column. </p><p>In this episode, she reflects on her 57-year career at the Times. They talk about how she moved from biochemistry to journalism and how she got hired by the Times at age 24.</p><p>Instead of wilting under discouraging words from the editor who was interviewing her for a job, she responded, "Mr. Rosenthal, if I didn't think I could do this job, I wouldn't be here." Abe Rosenthal was the managing editor and later the legendary executive editor of The New York Times. </p><p>Jane applied her no-nonsense style to reporting, writing with a distinctive mix of personal anecdotes, interviews with experts and scientific fact.</p><p> She started the Personal Health column in 1976 (right when Debbie was starting work as a reporter). She  invented the topic of personal health with the goal of teaching readers how to lead better, healthier lives. The column covered everything from common diseases to cancers to death and dying, as well as wellness, exercise, and nutrition.</p><p>Jane talks about what it was like to be a woman in an almost all-male newsroom and how squeamish editors wouldn’t let her use the words sexual intercourse or penis. She changed that. </p><p>She also tells us why she decided to retire at age 80 and what her new retired life looks like. </p><p>Debbie hopes you'll enjoy listening to this episode as much as she did recording it. <strong>Jane Brody </strong>does not disappoint on the topic of <i>making the most of growing older.</i></p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li>Jane on <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Brody">Wikipedia</a></li><li>Jane’s <a href="https://www.janebrody.net/">Website</a></li><li>Jane’s <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/by/jane-e-brody">NYT page</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/stores/Jane-E.-Brody/author/B000AQ532O?ref=ap_rdr&store_ref=ap_rdr&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true">Jane’s books on Amazon</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/20/well/live/jane-brody-and-dr-anthony-fauci-on-staying-fit-and-focused-at-80.html">Jane Brody and Dr. Anthony Fauci on Staying Fit and Focused at 80</a> (Tara Parker-Pope, The New York Times, May 20, 2021)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Articles by Jane Brody</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/1995/08/02/us/personal-health-with-more-help-available-for-impotence-few-men-seek-it.html">Personal Health; With more help available for impotence, few men seek it</a> (The New York Times, Aug. 2, 1995)</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/1979/06/12/archives/surgical-implants-correct-impotence-device-in-use-since-73.html">Surgical Implants Correct Impotence</a> (The New York Times, June 12, 1979)</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/1972/09/21/archives/female-orgasmic-theory-challenged.html">Female Orgasmic Theory Challenged</a> (The New York Times, September 21, 1972)</li><li>Farewell column: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/21/well/health-advice-diet-smoking.html">Farewell, Readers, It's Been a Remarkable Ride</a> (The New York Times, Feb. 21, 2022)</li><li>Column about her husband’s death: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/16/health/16brod.html">When the Only Hope Is a Peaceful Ending</a> (The New York Times, March 15, 2010)</li><li>Column about her 80th birthday: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/17/well/family/jane-brody-birthday.html">A Jane Brody Birthday Milestone: 80!</a> (The New York Times, May 17, 2021)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Articles about Jane:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/24/well/live/jane-brody-personal-health-retires.html">Thanks, Jane Brody, for Nudging Us to Be Better</a> (Tara Parker-Pope, The New York Times, Feb. 24, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://alumni.cornell.edu/cornellians/jane-brody-retires/">After Decades as the Nation's Leading Health Columnist, Jane Brody Retires</a> (Cornell Alumni Magazine, 2022)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned writers and editors:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Human-Sexual-Response-William-Masters/dp/0923891218">Human Sexual Response</a> by Masters and Johnson  (first published in 1966)</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Sullivan_(journalist)">Walter Sullivan</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2000/02/22/us/clifton-daniel-managing-editor-who-set-writerly-courtly-tone-shaping-times-dies.html">Clifton Daniel, a Managing Editor Who Set a Writerly, Courtly Tone In Shaping The Times, Dies at 87</a> (The New York Times, Feb. 22, 2000)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Get the inside skinny on every episode of [B]OLDER:</strong></p><p>Subscribe to Debbie’s newsletter for the inside story about every episode. You will also get her 34-page writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Request from Debbie:</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please take a moment to leave a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It really makes a difference in attracting new listeners. </p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLDER podcast</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie talks to Jane Brody, the renowned New York Times columnist who until last year wrote the popular weekly Personal Health column. </p><p>In this episode, she reflects on her 57-year career at the Times. They talk about how she moved from biochemistry to journalism and how she got hired by the Times at age 24.</p><p>Instead of wilting under discouraging words from the editor who was interviewing her for a job, she responded, "Mr. Rosenthal, if I didn't think I could do this job, I wouldn't be here." Abe Rosenthal was the managing editor and later the legendary executive editor of The New York Times. </p><p>Jane applied her no-nonsense style to reporting, writing with a distinctive mix of personal anecdotes, interviews with experts and scientific fact.</p><p> She started the Personal Health column in 1976 (right when Debbie was starting work as a reporter). She  invented the topic of personal health with the goal of teaching readers how to lead better, healthier lives. The column covered everything from common diseases to cancers to death and dying, as well as wellness, exercise, and nutrition.</p><p>Jane talks about what it was like to be a woman in an almost all-male newsroom and how squeamish editors wouldn’t let her use the words sexual intercourse or penis. She changed that. </p><p>She also tells us why she decided to retire at age 80 and what her new retired life looks like. </p><p>Debbie hopes you'll enjoy listening to this episode as much as she did recording it. <strong>Jane Brody </strong>does not disappoint on the topic of <i>making the most of growing older.</i></p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li>Jane on <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Brody">Wikipedia</a></li><li>Jane’s <a href="https://www.janebrody.net/">Website</a></li><li>Jane’s <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/by/jane-e-brody">NYT page</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/stores/Jane-E.-Brody/author/B000AQ532O?ref=ap_rdr&store_ref=ap_rdr&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true">Jane’s books on Amazon</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/20/well/live/jane-brody-and-dr-anthony-fauci-on-staying-fit-and-focused-at-80.html">Jane Brody and Dr. Anthony Fauci on Staying Fit and Focused at 80</a> (Tara Parker-Pope, The New York Times, May 20, 2021)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Articles by Jane Brody</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/1995/08/02/us/personal-health-with-more-help-available-for-impotence-few-men-seek-it.html">Personal Health; With more help available for impotence, few men seek it</a> (The New York Times, Aug. 2, 1995)</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/1979/06/12/archives/surgical-implants-correct-impotence-device-in-use-since-73.html">Surgical Implants Correct Impotence</a> (The New York Times, June 12, 1979)</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/1972/09/21/archives/female-orgasmic-theory-challenged.html">Female Orgasmic Theory Challenged</a> (The New York Times, September 21, 1972)</li><li>Farewell column: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/21/well/health-advice-diet-smoking.html">Farewell, Readers, It's Been a Remarkable Ride</a> (The New York Times, Feb. 21, 2022)</li><li>Column about her husband’s death: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/16/health/16brod.html">When the Only Hope Is a Peaceful Ending</a> (The New York Times, March 15, 2010)</li><li>Column about her 80th birthday: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/17/well/family/jane-brody-birthday.html">A Jane Brody Birthday Milestone: 80!</a> (The New York Times, May 17, 2021)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Articles about Jane:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/24/well/live/jane-brody-personal-health-retires.html">Thanks, Jane Brody, for Nudging Us to Be Better</a> (Tara Parker-Pope, The New York Times, Feb. 24, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://alumni.cornell.edu/cornellians/jane-brody-retires/">After Decades as the Nation's Leading Health Columnist, Jane Brody Retires</a> (Cornell Alumni Magazine, 2022)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned writers and editors:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Human-Sexual-Response-William-Masters/dp/0923891218">Human Sexual Response</a> by Masters and Johnson  (first published in 1966)</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Sullivan_(journalist)">Walter Sullivan</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2000/02/22/us/clifton-daniel-managing-editor-who-set-writerly-courtly-tone-shaping-times-dies.html">Clifton Daniel, a Managing Editor Who Set a Writerly, Courtly Tone In Shaping The Times, Dies at 87</a> (The New York Times, Feb. 22, 2000)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Get the inside skinny on every episode of [B]OLDER:</strong></p><p>Subscribe to Debbie’s newsletter for the inside story about every episode. You will also get her 34-page writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Request from Debbie:</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please take a moment to leave a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It really makes a difference in attracting new listeners. </p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLDER podcast</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Debbie Weil talks to friend and exceptional writing teacher <a href="https://clementinacollective.com/about">Clementina Esposito</a> about memoir, the difficulty of sharing ugly truths, and why making meaning through writing matters. </p><p>Clementina is founder of the <a href="https://clementinacollective.com/">Clementina Collective</a>, a collaborative created to help entrepreneurs and visionary leaders advance their causes and their careers through writing and speaking. </p><p>In Clementina's words: "No one writes alone, everyone values the power of a well-told story, and ugly truths become beautiful <i>in</i> <i>the end</i>.” </p><p>Debbie met Clementina a half dozen years ago when Clementina coached her in a public speaking program. They've been friends ever since.</p><p>Clementina has been teaching memoir writing to a group of older students (60s to 80s). She and Debbie discuss the importance of reading aloud - of performing - what you’ve written and how maybe that should be a  goal instead of publication. Reading out loud builds community and intimacy. </p><p>They also talk about the difficulty and challenge of finding your voice and speaking your truth and sharing it with others – especially if you think it’s an ugly truth. </p><p>And they conclude by agreeing that anyone can be a writer. Even if you doubt yourself, sharing your writing is how you make meaning of your life... and help your readers do the same.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://clementinacollective.com/about">About Clementina</a></li><li><a href="https://clementinacollective.com/">Clementina Collective</a></li><li>Clementina on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/clementinaesposito/">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://clementinacollective.com/blog">Clementina’s Blog</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/island-women-speak/">Island Women Speak</a> (the women's storytelling event created by Debbie)</li><li><a href="https://vimeo.com/220378516">"Why I didn't drive off the bridge" </a>(the talk Clementina worked with Debbie on)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Debbie's recommended books about memoir writing:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Art-Memoir-Mary-Karr/dp/0062223070">The Art of Memoir </a>by Mary Karr (Harper Perennial, 2016)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Memoir-Project-Thoroughly-Non-Standardized-Writing/dp/0446584843">The Memoir Project</a> by Marion Roach Smith (Grand Central Publishing, 2011)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Writing-Down-Bones-Freeing-Writer/dp/161180308X">Writing Down the Bones </a>by Natalie Goldberg (Shambala Anniversary Edition, 2016)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Get the inside skinny on every episode of [B]OLDER:</strong></p><p>Subscribe to Debbie’s newsletter for the inside story about every episode. You will also get her 34-page writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Request from Debbie:</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please take a moment to leave a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It really makes a difference in attracting new listeners.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLDER podcast</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Today Debbie talks with <strong>Ayse Birsel.</strong> She’s an award-winning industrial designer whose firm has designed hundreds of products for brand name companies like Herman Miller, Ikea and Target. And that includes a product you may have sat on: a toilet seat.</p><p>She’s taken her industrial design methodology, broken it down, simplified it, made it fun and inviting… and turned it into a process for life design. The result is her second and newest book: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Design-Long-Life-Step-Step/dp/0762481153/">Design the Long Life You Love: A Step-by-Step Guide to Love, Purpose, Well-Being, and Friendship</a>. </p><p>One of her key points is that life, just like a design problem, is full of constraints -- time, money, age, location, and circumstances. And if you're an older adult reimagining your last chapter, you know what your final "constraint" is. You can’t have everything, so you have to be creative. You have to think like a designer. </p><p>You have to get ideas and beliefs out of your head and down onto paper and cultivate an attitude of playfulness and optimism - if you want to change. So the book is filled with Ayse’s whimsical drawings, and her step-by-step maps: for how to make new friends, how to reimagine work, how to create meaning, how to separate achievement from success, how to check your well-being index, and more. </p><p>One of Debbie's favorite exercises: how to reconcile yourself to unresolved issues. Make a list, Ayse says, pick three, personify them and write them a letter and then let them go.</p><p>Ayse calls her method deconstruction / reconstruction. That means deconstruct your life, do a lot of exploring through scribbling and list-making and drawing, and then reconstruct the life you want. </p><p>Her new book is jammed with exercises and lists and interviews with her favorite mentors. Ayse says you have to draw (even if you think you can’t) every day to rev up your creative brain. Debbie's advance copy is littered with yellow sticky notes as well as scribbles and arrows. She can't draw but is trying anyway.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Design-Long-Life-Step-Step/dp/0762481153/">Design the Long Life You Love: A Step-by-Step Guide to Love, Purpose, Well-Being, and Friendship</a> by Ayse Birsel (Running Press Adult, Dec. 6, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://www.aysebirsel.com/about">Ayse’s Website</a></li><li><a href="http://aysebirsel.com/newsletter">aysebirsel.com/newsletter</a></li><li><a href="https://www.hermanmiller.com/designers/birsel-and-seck/">Designer couple: Ayse Birsel and Bibi Seck</a></li><li><a href="https://www.fastcompany.com/90791092/3-strategies-to-disrupt-yourself-for-greater-success-in-changing-times">3 Strategies to Disrupt Yourself for Greater Success in Changing Times</a> by Ayse Birsel (Fast Company, 9/22/22)</li><li>Results of her study: <a href="https://www.thescanfoundation.org/media/2020/05/Co-Designing-with-Older-People_May-2020_Final-Report.pdf">CO-DESIGNING WITH OLDER PEOPLE</a> (SCAN Foundation Full Report)</li><li>Ayse’s TEDxCannes talk, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p87nJ4XQHY">If your life is your biggest project, why not design it?</a> (800K+ views)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Design-Life-Love-Step-Step/dp/1607748819">Design the Life You Love: A Step-by-Step Guide to Building a Meaningful Future</a> by Ayse Birsel (Ten Speed Press, 2015)</li><li><a href="https://theacademioflife.com/shirleyfmoulton2/">Shirley F. Moulton</a></li><li>A book with a similar title by two Stanford professors: <a href="https://designingyour.life/">Designing Your Life </a>by Bill Burnett and Dave Evans (Knopf, 2016)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Get the inside skinny on every episode of [B]OLDER:</strong></p><p>Subscribe to Debbie’s newsletter for the inside story about every episode. You will also get her 34-page writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Request from Debbie:</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please take a moment to leave a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It really makes a difference in attracting new listeners.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLDER podcast</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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You have to think like a designer. </p><p>You have to get ideas and beliefs out of your head and down onto paper and cultivate an attitude of playfulness and optimism - if you want to change. So the book is filled with Ayse’s whimsical drawings, and her step-by-step maps: for how to make new friends, how to reimagine work, how to create meaning, how to separate achievement from success, how to check your well-being index, and more. </p><p>One of Debbie's favorite exercises: how to reconcile yourself to unresolved issues. Make a list, Ayse says, pick three, personify them and write them a letter and then let them go.</p><p>Ayse calls her method deconstruction / reconstruction. That means deconstruct your life, do a lot of exploring through scribbling and list-making and drawing, and then reconstruct the life you want. </p><p>Her new book is jammed with exercises and lists and interviews with her favorite mentors. Ayse says you have to draw (even if you think you can’t) every day to rev up your creative brain. Debbie's advance copy is littered with yellow sticky notes as well as scribbles and arrows. She can't draw but is trying anyway.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Design-Long-Life-Step-Step/dp/0762481153/">Design the Long Life You Love: A Step-by-Step Guide to Love, Purpose, Well-Being, and Friendship</a> by Ayse Birsel (Running Press Adult, Dec. 6, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://www.aysebirsel.com/about">Ayse’s Website</a></li><li><a href="http://aysebirsel.com/newsletter">aysebirsel.com/newsletter</a></li><li><a href="https://www.hermanmiller.com/designers/birsel-and-seck/">Designer couple: Ayse Birsel and Bibi Seck</a></li><li><a href="https://www.fastcompany.com/90791092/3-strategies-to-disrupt-yourself-for-greater-success-in-changing-times">3 Strategies to Disrupt Yourself for Greater Success in Changing Times</a> by Ayse Birsel (Fast Company, 9/22/22)</li><li>Results of her study: <a href="https://www.thescanfoundation.org/media/2020/05/Co-Designing-with-Older-People_May-2020_Final-Report.pdf">CO-DESIGNING WITH OLDER PEOPLE</a> (SCAN Foundation Full Report)</li><li>Ayse’s TEDxCannes talk, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p87nJ4XQHY">If your life is your biggest project, why not design it?</a> (800K+ views)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Design-Life-Love-Step-Step/dp/1607748819">Design the Life You Love: A Step-by-Step Guide to Building a Meaningful Future</a> by Ayse Birsel (Ten Speed Press, 2015)</li><li><a href="https://theacademioflife.com/shirleyfmoulton2/">Shirley F. Moulton</a></li><li>A book with a similar title by two Stanford professors: <a href="https://designingyour.life/">Designing Your Life </a>by Bill Burnett and Dave Evans (Knopf, 2016)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Get the inside skinny on every episode of [B]OLDER:</strong></p><p>Subscribe to Debbie’s newsletter for the inside story about every episode. You will also get her 34-page writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Request from Debbie:</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please take a moment to leave a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It really makes a difference in attracting new listeners.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLDER podcast</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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She was quoted in a <strong>New York Times Magazine</strong> cover story this year and now gets so many requests for podcast interviews that she mostly turns them down.</p><p>She agreed to come on [B]OLDER after listening to the recent episode with nonagenarian author <strong>Hilma Wolitzer </strong>(Season 4, Episode 20)<strong> </strong>about writing through grief.</p><p>Joan calls herself an "advocate for ageless sexuality.” The media calls her “the woman leading a sex revolution for seniors” and, her favorite, "a wrinkly sex kitten."</p><p>Debbie and Joan talk about why senior sex is an embarrassing subject but, more importantly, they talk about how to expand our definition of sex and how to adjust our relationship to body image as we age. </p><p>They get right into it. No words are off limits so they talk about orgasms and sex toys and more. 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You will also get her 34-page writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Request from Debbie:</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please take a moment to leave a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It really makes a difference in attracting new listeners.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLDER podcast</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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Joan explains the different types of desire (and why that’s important to understand as you get older).</p><p>After this episode we promise that you’ll know what PIV stands for... if you don’t already.</p><p>Bottom line, Joan's message is that yes, sex is <i>different </i>after 60 or 70 or 80… but in some ways, she says, it’s better. Joan is funny as well as frank. "Spicy” is one of her favorite words. 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You will also get her 34-page writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Request from Debbie:</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please take a moment to leave a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It really makes a difference in attracting new listeners.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLDER podcast</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s episode was a chance for Debbie to reconnect with an old friend, <strong>Shel Israel,</strong> whom she met about 20 years ago…  in the blogosphere. Yes, there really was a blogosphere in the early 2000's. Shel and Debbie and a bunch of others were pioneers and they all knew each other. They'd meet at conferences and promote each other’s blogs AND explain blogging to everyone else.</p><p>In early 2006, Shel co-authored perhaps the first serious book about business blogging. And Debbie wrote the second one, published later that same year. Shel's book has a much sexier title, <i>Naked Conversations</i>. Debbie's is <i>The Corporate Blogging Book.</i></p><p>Debbie and Shel talk about his decision to leave California after 50 years and move across country to Florida, just in time for Hurricane Ian. Debbie asks how he fared and how he plans to make friends and become part of his new community in St. Petersburg. He’s got some surprising answers.</p><p>As a tech pioneer and an optimist, he considers everyone he meets on social media to be a friend. He’s using Facebook to connect and to create a new network. And he’s even got a spreadsheet with 13 prospects on it… 13 prospective friends, that is.</p><p>This is an open and honest conversation which, not coincidentally, is the hallmark of good blogging. They talk about how important writing is to Shel, why he left a lucrative career in PR. and how he approaches tech-business ghostwriting and other projects.  </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/shel.israel/">Shel Israel on Facebook</a></li><li><a href="http://shelisrael.com/">Website</a></li><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/shelisrael/">Linkedin</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Naked-Conversations-Changing-Businesses-Customers/dp/047174719X">Naked Conversations: How Blogs are Changing the Way Businesses Talk with Customers</a> by Shel Israel and Robert Scoble (Wiley, 2006)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002N83HLQ/">Twitterville: How Businesses Can Thrive in the New Global Neighborhoods </a>(Portfolio, 2009)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B015NH5DEW/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i3">Lethal Generosity: Contextual Technology and the Competitive Edge</a> by Shel Israel (Patrick Brewster Press, 2015)</li><li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/shelisrael/?sh=393a0e601198">Former columnist for Forbes</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/books/">The Corporate Blogging Book</a> by Debbie Weil (Portfolio, 2006)</li><li><a href="https://www.stpete.org/">St. Petersburg, FL</a></li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Get the inside skinny on every episode of [B]OLDER:</strong></p><p>Subscribe to Debbie’s newsletter for the inside story about every episode. You will also get her 34-page writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Request from Debbie:</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please take a moment to leave a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It really makes a difference in attracting new listeners.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLDER podcast</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today’s episode was a chance for Debbie to reconnect with an old friend, <strong>Shel Israel,</strong> whom she met about 20 years ago…  in the blogosphere. Yes, there really was a blogosphere in the early 2000's. Shel and Debbie and a bunch of others were pioneers and they all knew each other. They'd meet at conferences and promote each other’s blogs AND explain blogging to everyone else.</p><p>In early 2006, Shel co-authored perhaps the first serious book about business blogging. And Debbie wrote the second one, published later that same year. Shel's book has a much sexier title, <i>Naked Conversations</i>. Debbie's is <i>The Corporate Blogging Book.</i></p><p>Debbie and Shel talk about his decision to leave California after 50 years and move across country to Florida, just in time for Hurricane Ian. Debbie asks how he fared and how he plans to make friends and become part of his new community in St. Petersburg. 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You will also get her 34-page writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Request from Debbie:</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please take a moment to leave a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It really makes a difference in attracting new listeners.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLDER podcast</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2022 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p><strong>[B]older is back for season 5. And we're back at it: unraveling what it means to make the most of growing older.</strong></p><p>Each episode is a frank 30-minute conversation with a best-selling author, expert, or exceptional individual on a topic related to aging. </p><p><strong>For host Debbie Weil, 70, it’s a real-time exploration of growing old.</strong> But don’t worry; she’s not embracing <i>old age</i> just yet. She’s still (boldly) figuring things out. She asks the hard questions about how to use this later stage of life to create, to find meaning, and to make a difference. </p><p><strong>In the podcast</strong> <strong>Debbie delves into all the current  topics related to aging</strong>: the unretired life, reinventing work, slowing down, aging better, ageism, living your purpose, grownup gap years, grandparenting, intergenerational collaboration, effects of the pandemic, grief and widowhood, surviving cancer, and more. As well as other stuff that piques her interest; for example, the craft of writing. </p><p>Her husband, physician author <a href="https://samharrington.com">Sam Harrington</a>, is a popular recurring guest. The <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s4-ep21-debbie-sam-wrap-up-season-4/"><i>Debbie & Sam</i> shows</a> feature his dry humor and medical expertise. </p><p>Join us for another great season diving into what it means to be growing [b]older!</p><p> </p><p><strong>Get the inside skinny on every episode of [B]OLDER:</strong></p><p>Subscribe to Debbie’s newsletter for the inside story about every episode. You will also get her 34-page writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Request from Debbie:</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please take a moment to leave a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It really makes a difference in attracting new listeners. </p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with Debbie:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">[B]OLDER podcast</a></li><li>Email: thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a><br /> </li></ul><p><strong>Our Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://cogenerate.org/">CoGenerate</a> (formerly Encore.org)</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a> and with thanks to <a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></li><li>Next For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">Debbie Weil</a> brings her husband <a href="https://samharrington.com">Sam Harrington</a> back on the show for a dose of his dry humor and to wrap up Season 4.</p><p>Sam shares some of his favorite episodes (see below) and they discuss several topics in the news: <strong>Medical Aid In Dying</strong> and the <strong>100-year life</strong>. If you've listened to Sam in previous episodes, you can probably guess what he thinks about living to 100. </p><p>Sam is a retired physician; friends and family affectionately call him <strong>Dr. Death</strong>.</p><p>They also talk about grandparenting and what you can expect from Season 5. </p><p><strong>Sam's favorite episodes from Season 4</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s4-ep13-nicholas-christakis-with-a-covid-update-and-the-historical-connection-between-pandemics-war-and-climate-change/">[B]OLDER S4-EP13: Nicholas Christakis With a 2022 COVID Update</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s4ep2-poet-teacher-emily-moore-on-vulnerability-living-and-becoming-a-cancer-survivor/">[B]OLDER S4-EP2: Emily Moore on Becoming a Cancer Survivor at age 43</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s4-ep16-bestselling-author-dan-pink-on-the-power-of-regret-at-any-age/">[B]OLDER S4-EP16: Bestselling Author Dan Pink on the Power of Regret at any Age</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s4-ep17-dr-bree-johnston-on-psychedelic-therapy-to-ease-fear-of-death/">[B]OLDER S4-EP17: Dr. Bree Johnston on Psychedelic Therapy to Ease Fear of Death</a></li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/paula-span-on-ageism-journalism-and-the/id1449776332?i=1000566770882">S4-EP19: Paula Span on Ageism, Journalism, and the Art of Grandparenting</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Apollos-Arrow-Profound-Enduring-Coronavirus/dp/0316628204/">Apollo's Arrow: The Profound and Enduring Impact of Coronavirus on the Way We Live</a> by Nicholas A. Christakis MD PhD (Little, Brown Spark; 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/At-Peace-Choosing-Death-After/dp/1478917415/ref=sr_1_4?crid=CVEYHMQKWKTQ&keywords=sam+harrington&qid=1656378044&s=books&sprefix=sam+harrington%2Cstripbooks%2C162&sr=1-4">At Peace: Choosing a Good Death After a Long Life</a> by Samuel Harrington MD (Grand Central Life & Style; 2018)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Age-Code-Beliefs-Determine/dp/0063053195/ref=sr_1_1?crid=193C151KSPIKH&keywords=becca+levy&qid=1656378112&s=books&sprefix=becca+le%2Cstripbooks%2C145&sr=1-1">Breaking the Age Code: How Your Beliefs About Aging Determine How Long and Well You Live</a> by Becca Levy PhD (​​William Morrow; 2022)</li><li><a href="https://people.com/tv/betty-white-reveals-her-secrets-to-long-happy-life-at-100-exclusive/">Betty White Reveals Her Secrets to a Long, Happy Life</a> (People Magazine, December 28, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://the100yearlifestyle.com/podcast/">Podcast - The 100 Year Lifestyle</a></li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Previous episodes featuring host Debbie Weil and her husband Sam Harrington:</strong></p><ul><li>S4-EP6: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s4-ep6-debbie-sam-on-entering-the-land-of-the-old/">Debbie & Sam on Entering the Land of the Old</a></li><li>S3-EP22: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep22-debbie-sam-on-getting-calm-and-centered-in-baja/">Debbie & Sam on Getting Calm and Centered in Baja</a></li><li>S3-EP16: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep16-debbie-sam-on-fasting-for-five-days/">Debbie & Sam on Fasting For Five Days and Why They Were Crazy Enough to Do It</a></li><li>S2-EP24: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep24-debbie-sam-on-the-gap-year-for-everyone-silver-linings-not-shoulding-and-season-3/">Debbie & Sam on the Gap Year For Everyone, Silver Linings, and Not Should'ing</a></li><li>S2-EP18: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep18-debbie-sam-on-the-new-normal-quarantines-immunity-passports-and-masks-gloves/">Debbie & Sam on the New Normal, Quarantines, Immunity Passports, and Masks & Gloves</a></li><li>S2-EP12: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep12-debbie-sam-on-the-coronavirus-magical-thinking-and-aging/">Debbie & Sam on the Coronavirus, Magical Thinking, and Aging</a></li><li>S1-EP10: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-10-our-bucket-list-debbie-and-sam-live-in-france/">On Debbie & Sam's Bucket List: Living in France</a></li><li>S1-EP2: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-2-deciding-to-take-a-gap-year-at-62/">Debbie & Sam on How They Decided to Take a Gap Year at Age 62</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor or to join a podcast network</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">Debbie Weil</a> brings her husband <a href="https://samharrington.com">Sam Harrington</a> back on the show for a dose of his dry humor and to wrap up Season 4.</p><p>Sam shares some of his favorite episodes (see below) and they discuss several topics in the news: <strong>Medical Aid In Dying</strong> and the <strong>100-year life</strong>. If you've listened to Sam in previous episodes, you can probably guess what he thinks about living to 100. </p><p>Sam is a retired physician; friends and family affectionately call him <strong>Dr. Death</strong>.</p><p>They also talk about grandparenting and what you can expect from Season 5. </p><p><strong>Sam's favorite episodes from Season 4</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s4-ep13-nicholas-christakis-with-a-covid-update-and-the-historical-connection-between-pandemics-war-and-climate-change/">[B]OLDER S4-EP13: Nicholas Christakis With a 2022 COVID Update</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s4ep2-poet-teacher-emily-moore-on-vulnerability-living-and-becoming-a-cancer-survivor/">[B]OLDER S4-EP2: Emily Moore on Becoming a Cancer Survivor at age 43</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s4-ep16-bestselling-author-dan-pink-on-the-power-of-regret-at-any-age/">[B]OLDER S4-EP16: Bestselling Author Dan Pink on the Power of Regret at any Age</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s4-ep17-dr-bree-johnston-on-psychedelic-therapy-to-ease-fear-of-death/">[B]OLDER S4-EP17: Dr. Bree Johnston on Psychedelic Therapy to Ease Fear of Death</a></li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/paula-span-on-ageism-journalism-and-the/id1449776332?i=1000566770882">S4-EP19: Paula Span on Ageism, Journalism, and the Art of Grandparenting</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Apollos-Arrow-Profound-Enduring-Coronavirus/dp/0316628204/">Apollo's Arrow: The Profound and Enduring Impact of Coronavirus on the Way We Live</a> by Nicholas A. Christakis MD PhD (Little, Brown Spark; 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/At-Peace-Choosing-Death-After/dp/1478917415/ref=sr_1_4?crid=CVEYHMQKWKTQ&keywords=sam+harrington&qid=1656378044&s=books&sprefix=sam+harrington%2Cstripbooks%2C162&sr=1-4">At Peace: Choosing a Good Death After a Long Life</a> by Samuel Harrington MD (Grand Central Life & Style; 2018)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Age-Code-Beliefs-Determine/dp/0063053195/ref=sr_1_1?crid=193C151KSPIKH&keywords=becca+levy&qid=1656378112&s=books&sprefix=becca+le%2Cstripbooks%2C145&sr=1-1">Breaking the Age Code: How Your Beliefs About Aging Determine How Long and Well You Live</a> by Becca Levy PhD (​​William Morrow; 2022)</li><li><a href="https://people.com/tv/betty-white-reveals-her-secrets-to-long-happy-life-at-100-exclusive/">Betty White Reveals Her Secrets to a Long, Happy Life</a> (People Magazine, December 28, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://the100yearlifestyle.com/podcast/">Podcast - The 100 Year Lifestyle</a></li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Previous episodes featuring host Debbie Weil and her husband Sam Harrington:</strong></p><ul><li>S4-EP6: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s4-ep6-debbie-sam-on-entering-the-land-of-the-old/">Debbie & Sam on Entering the Land of the Old</a></li><li>S3-EP22: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep22-debbie-sam-on-getting-calm-and-centered-in-baja/">Debbie & Sam on Getting Calm and Centered in Baja</a></li><li>S3-EP16: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep16-debbie-sam-on-fasting-for-five-days/">Debbie & Sam on Fasting For Five Days and Why They Were Crazy Enough to Do It</a></li><li>S2-EP24: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep24-debbie-sam-on-the-gap-year-for-everyone-silver-linings-not-shoulding-and-season-3/">Debbie & Sam on the Gap Year For Everyone, Silver Linings, and Not Should'ing</a></li><li>S2-EP18: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep18-debbie-sam-on-the-new-normal-quarantines-immunity-passports-and-masks-gloves/">Debbie & Sam on the New Normal, Quarantines, Immunity Passports, and Masks & Gloves</a></li><li>S2-EP12: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep12-debbie-sam-on-the-coronavirus-magical-thinking-and-aging/">Debbie & Sam on the Coronavirus, Magical Thinking, and Aging</a></li><li>S1-EP10: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-10-our-bucket-list-debbie-and-sam-live-in-france/">On Debbie & Sam's Bucket List: Living in France</a></li><li>S1-EP2: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-2-deciding-to-take-a-gap-year-at-62/">Debbie & Sam on How They Decided to Take a Gap Year at Age 62</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor or to join a podcast network</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie talks to writer and novelist Hilma Wolitzer, age 92. </p><p>She’s just published a new book of short stories titled "Today a Woman Went Mad in the Supermarket." So yes, this is someone who is "making the most of growing older."</p><p>Hilma's stories of sharply observed domestic life were published in the Saturday Evening Post and Esquire in the 1960s and 1970s. She has taught writing at the Bread Loaf Writers' Conference, the Iowa Writers' Workshop, NYU, and Columbia. She's also the author of nine novels and the recipient of national awards and fellowships.</p><p>Her husband of almost 70 years died of COVID in the first months of the pandemic. It was as if he vanished, she told Debbie.</p><p>She and her husband Morty both got Covid in April of 2020. They were taken to separate hospitals in New York City.</p><p>She never got to say good-bye.</p><p>He died two days before she was released from the hospital and went home to her apartment.</p><p>As she tells Debbie on the podcast:</p><p>"There were his slippers next to the bed. There was a pair of his drugstore eyeglasses. He seemed to have vanished and that was the sense I tried to depict in (the final) story (of her new book). Disappearance rather than dying." </p><p>She was encouraged to write through her grief, and to write this story and add it to a new collection, by her daughters: New York Times bestselling novelist Meg Wolitzer and artist Nancy Wolitzer.</p><p>She titled the new story, "The Great Escape." It is as diamond sharp and perfect - and funny - as her earlier writing. There's even sex.<br />  <br />Hilma tells it all in this conversation:</p><ul><li>What her writing process is</li><li>Why she writes about ordinary domestic life</li><li>Why and how she wrote through grief</li><li>What it was like, over 50 years ago, to be a woman and a writer and not be taken seriously</li></ul><p> </p><p><br /><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.hilmawolitzer.com/">HilmaWolitzer.com</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilma_Wolitzer">Wikipedia</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/HilmaWolitzer">Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://electricliterature.com/the-great-escape-by-hilma-wolitzer/">The Great Escape</a> is Hilma‘s final short story in her new collection, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Today-Woman-Went-Mad-Supermarket/dp/1635579805/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=OgfPV&content-id=amzn1.sym.91202c6f-1c11-4e3d-b51a-3af958cedd30&pf_rd_p=91202c6f-1c11-4e3d-b51a-3af958cedd30&pf_rd_r=NRKDMRSVN6P6WS8F4ZAB&pd_rd_wg=Bhl6c&pd_rd_r=2f1d1af0-d68a-48fd-a863-a346f1d75a2d&ref_=aufs_ap_sc_dsk">Today a Woman Went Mad in the Supermarket</a> (Bloomsbury Publishing; 2021)</li><li>Hilma is mentioned in the first sentence: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/13/podcasts/the-daily/one-million-death-coronavirus.html">One Million</a> (New York Times, May 13, 2022)</li><li>Hilma’s daughter <a href="https://nancywolitzer.com/">Nancy Wolitzer</a></li><li>Hilma’s daughter <a href="https://www.megwolitzer.com/">Meg Wolitzer</a></li><li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/nextavenue/2021/10/22/how-hilma-wolitzer-came-back-from-covid-tragedy-to-publish-her-first-book-in-8-years-at-the-age-of-91/?sh=3b363ee22f1d">How Hilma Wolitzer Came Back From Covid Tragedy To Publish Her First Book In 8 Years—At The Age Of 91</a> (Forbes, Oct 22, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/books/story/2021-08-26/hilma-wolitzer-covid-survivor-acclaimed-novelist-at-91">Author Hilma Wolitzer lost her husband to COVID-19. So at 91, she wrote a story about it</a> (LA Times, Aug. 26, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iris_Murdoch">Iris Murdoch</a></li><li><a href="https://maxinekumin.com/">Maxine Kumin</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Debbie</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor or a podcast network</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie talks to writer and novelist Hilma Wolitzer, age 92. </p><p>She’s just published a new book of short stories titled "Today a Woman Went Mad in the Supermarket." So yes, this is someone who is "making the most of growing older."</p><p>Hilma's stories of sharply observed domestic life were published in the Saturday Evening Post and Esquire in the 1960s and 1970s. She has taught writing at the Bread Loaf Writers' Conference, the Iowa Writers' Workshop, NYU, and Columbia. She's also the author of nine novels and the recipient of national awards and fellowships.</p><p>Her husband of almost 70 years died of COVID in the first months of the pandemic. It was as if he vanished, she told Debbie.</p><p>She and her husband Morty both got Covid in April of 2020. They were taken to separate hospitals in New York City.</p><p>She never got to say good-bye.</p><p>He died two days before she was released from the hospital and went home to her apartment.</p><p>As she tells Debbie on the podcast:</p><p>"There were his slippers next to the bed. There was a pair of his drugstore eyeglasses. He seemed to have vanished and that was the sense I tried to depict in (the final) story (of her new book). Disappearance rather than dying." </p><p>She was encouraged to write through her grief, and to write this story and add it to a new collection, by her daughters: New York Times bestselling novelist Meg Wolitzer and artist Nancy Wolitzer.</p><p>She titled the new story, "The Great Escape." It is as diamond sharp and perfect - and funny - as her earlier writing. There's even sex.<br />  <br />Hilma tells it all in this conversation:</p><ul><li>What her writing process is</li><li>Why she writes about ordinary domestic life</li><li>Why and how she wrote through grief</li><li>What it was like, over 50 years ago, to be a woman and a writer and not be taken seriously</li></ul><p> </p><p><br /><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.hilmawolitzer.com/">HilmaWolitzer.com</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilma_Wolitzer">Wikipedia</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/HilmaWolitzer">Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://electricliterature.com/the-great-escape-by-hilma-wolitzer/">The Great Escape</a> is Hilma‘s final short story in her new collection, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Today-Woman-Went-Mad-Supermarket/dp/1635579805/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=OgfPV&content-id=amzn1.sym.91202c6f-1c11-4e3d-b51a-3af958cedd30&pf_rd_p=91202c6f-1c11-4e3d-b51a-3af958cedd30&pf_rd_r=NRKDMRSVN6P6WS8F4ZAB&pd_rd_wg=Bhl6c&pd_rd_r=2f1d1af0-d68a-48fd-a863-a346f1d75a2d&ref_=aufs_ap_sc_dsk">Today a Woman Went Mad in the Supermarket</a> (Bloomsbury Publishing; 2021)</li><li>Hilma is mentioned in the first sentence: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/13/podcasts/the-daily/one-million-death-coronavirus.html">One Million</a> (New York Times, May 13, 2022)</li><li>Hilma’s daughter <a href="https://nancywolitzer.com/">Nancy Wolitzer</a></li><li>Hilma’s daughter <a href="https://www.megwolitzer.com/">Meg Wolitzer</a></li><li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/nextavenue/2021/10/22/how-hilma-wolitzer-came-back-from-covid-tragedy-to-publish-her-first-book-in-8-years-at-the-age-of-91/?sh=3b363ee22f1d">How Hilma Wolitzer Came Back From Covid Tragedy To Publish Her First Book In 8 Years—At The Age Of 91</a> (Forbes, Oct 22, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/books/story/2021-08-26/hilma-wolitzer-covid-survivor-acclaimed-novelist-at-91">Author Hilma Wolitzer lost her husband to COVID-19. So at 91, she wrote a story about it</a> (LA Times, Aug. 26, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iris_Murdoch">Iris Murdoch</a></li><li><a href="https://maxinekumin.com/">Maxine Kumin</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Debbie</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor or a podcast network</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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She’s adapted those essays for her audiobook “The Bubbe Diaries,” released by Audible in 2021.</p><p>She’s also a revered professor of journalism, having taught at the Columbia Graduate School of Journalism for over two decades. </p><p>She is the author of “<i>When the Time Comes: Families with Aging Parents Share Their Struggles and Solutions</i>,” published by Hachette.</p><p>She and Debbie talk about how she explores the topic of pernicious ageism for the Times - not with personal opinion - but with research and data and expert interviews. Each of her columns gets a huge response with readers leaving as many as 500 comments.  </p><p>They talk about her approach to writing as a freelance journalist (always say YES, she tells Debbie, no matter what the assignment is). And they talk about her artful approach to grandparenting. She lives in Montclair, N.J., and travels to Brooklyn once a week to care for her granddaughter.</p><p>This is an intriguing behind-the-scenes peek at writing for the Times from a veteran journalist.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://paulaspan.com/">Paula Span</a> - Website</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/column/the-new-old-age">The New Old Age</a>, Paula’s column for The New York Times</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/column/generation-grandparent">Generation Grandparent</a>, Paula’s occasional column for The New York Times</li><li><a href="https://www.audible.com/pd/The-Bubbe-Diaries-Audiobook/B091J7M7FL">The Bubbe Diaries</a> by Paula Span (Audible, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/When-Time-Comes-Struggles-Solutions/dp/0446581135">When the Time Comes: Families with Aging Parents Share Their Struggles and Solutions</a> by Paula Span (Hachette, 2009)</li><li><a href="https://journalism.columbia.edu/faculty/paula-span">Paula Span at Columbia Journalism School</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/02/health/elderly-health-care-finances.html">Tallying the Cost of Growing Older</a> by Paula Span (The New York Times, October 3, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/13/health/death-dying-dignity.html">For Terminal Patients, the Barrier to Aid in Dying Could be a State Line</a> (The New York Times, Nov. 13, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.92ny.org/instructor/sally-tannen">Sally Tannen</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Age-Code-Beliefs-Determine/dp/0063053195">Breaking the Age Code: How Your Beliefs About Aging Determine How Long and Well You Live</a> by <a href="https://ysph.yale.edu/profile/becca_levy/">Becca Levy PhD</a> (William Morrow, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Nanaville-Adventures-Grandparenting-Anna-Quindlen/dp/0812985915/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1MVIXTK0MKGXN&keywords=nanaville+anna+quindlen&qid=1654646142&s=books&sprefix=nanaville%2Cstripbooks%2C173&sr=1-1">Nanaville: Adventures in Grandparenting</a> by <a href="https://annaquindlen.net/">Anna Quindlen</a> (Random House Trade Paperbacks; Reprint edition 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/by/jane-e-brody">Jane E. Brody - The New York Times</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/24/well/live/jane-brody-personal-health-retires.html">Thanks, Jane Brody, for Nudging Us to Be Better</a> by <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/by/tara-parker-pope">Tara Parker-Pope</a> (The New York Times, February 24, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/writer/richard-eisenberg/">Richard Eisenberg</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a><br /><br />- Debbie</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor or a podcast network</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners,<a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/"> contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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She’s adapted those essays for her audiobook “The Bubbe Diaries,” released by Audible in 2021.</p><p>She’s also a revered professor of journalism, having taught at the Columbia Graduate School of Journalism for over two decades. </p><p>She is the author of “<i>When the Time Comes: Families with Aging Parents Share Their Struggles and Solutions</i>,” published by Hachette.</p><p>She and Debbie talk about how she explores the topic of pernicious ageism for the Times - not with personal opinion - but with research and data and expert interviews. Each of her columns gets a huge response with readers leaving as many as 500 comments.  </p><p>They talk about her approach to writing as a freelance journalist (always say YES, she tells Debbie, no matter what the assignment is). And they talk about her artful approach to grandparenting. She lives in Montclair, N.J., and travels to Brooklyn once a week to care for her granddaughter.</p><p>This is an intriguing behind-the-scenes peek at writing for the Times from a veteran journalist.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://paulaspan.com/">Paula Span</a> - Website</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/column/the-new-old-age">The New Old Age</a>, Paula’s column for The New York Times</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/column/generation-grandparent">Generation Grandparent</a>, Paula’s occasional column for The New York Times</li><li><a href="https://www.audible.com/pd/The-Bubbe-Diaries-Audiobook/B091J7M7FL">The Bubbe Diaries</a> by Paula Span (Audible, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/When-Time-Comes-Struggles-Solutions/dp/0446581135">When the Time Comes: Families with Aging Parents Share Their Struggles and Solutions</a> by Paula Span (Hachette, 2009)</li><li><a href="https://journalism.columbia.edu/faculty/paula-span">Paula Span at Columbia Journalism School</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/02/health/elderly-health-care-finances.html">Tallying the Cost of Growing Older</a> by Paula Span (The New York Times, October 3, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/13/health/death-dying-dignity.html">For Terminal Patients, the Barrier to Aid in Dying Could be a State Line</a> (The New York Times, Nov. 13, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.92ny.org/instructor/sally-tannen">Sally Tannen</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Age-Code-Beliefs-Determine/dp/0063053195">Breaking the Age Code: How Your Beliefs About Aging Determine How Long and Well You Live</a> by <a href="https://ysph.yale.edu/profile/becca_levy/">Becca Levy PhD</a> (William Morrow, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Nanaville-Adventures-Grandparenting-Anna-Quindlen/dp/0812985915/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1MVIXTK0MKGXN&keywords=nanaville+anna+quindlen&qid=1654646142&s=books&sprefix=nanaville%2Cstripbooks%2C173&sr=1-1">Nanaville: Adventures in Grandparenting</a> by <a href="https://annaquindlen.net/">Anna Quindlen</a> (Random House Trade Paperbacks; Reprint edition 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/by/jane-e-brody">Jane E. 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It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a><br /><br />- Debbie</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor or a podcast network</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners,<a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/"> contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie Weil talks to <a href="https://aleliabundles.com/about/">A’Lelia Bundles</a>: her college classmate and friend of almost 50 years. </p><p>A’Lelia, or LeLe, as her friends call her, is an award-winning journalist, author, historian, biographer, speaker and nonprofit leader. She speaks at conferences, colleges, and corporations about entrepreneurship, philanthropy, historic preservation, financial literacy and women’s and African American history. She calls herself a truth seeker. She's also distinguished by her warm and humorous style. It's infectious, as you'll hear.</p><p>She and Debbie are both members of the Harvard/Radcliffe class of 1974. (Another notable member of their class is Merrick Garland,  United States Attorney General.)</p><p>A'lelia is the great-great granddaughter of <a href="https://madamcjwalker.com/about/">Madam C.J. Walker</a>, the 19th century hair-care entrepreneur, activist, and philanthropist, and the first black woman millionaire in America. </p><p>She is the author of <i>On Her Own Ground: The Life and Times of Madam C.J. Walker,</i> a <i>New York Times</i> Notable Book and the definitive biography of her trailblazing great-great grandmother. <i>Self Made,</i> the fictional Netflix series starring Octavia Spencer, is "inspired by" (although not factually based upon) her biography. A'lelia is at work on her fifth book, <i>The Joy Goddess of Harlem: A’Lelia Walker and the Harlem Renaissance</i>, about her great-grandmother whose parties, arts patronage and travels helped define the era. </p><p>A former network television news executive and producer at ABC News and NBC News, she is a vice chair emerita of Columbia University’s Board of Trustees and chair emerita of the board of the National Archives Foundation. She is the founder of the Madam Walker Family Archives, the largest private collection of Walker documents, photographs and memorabilia.</p><p>Debbie and A’Lelia talk about not retiring, the pain of writing a book, and the importance of community and friends - especially the women in their college class. They discuss the legacy she wants to leave behind as a black woman and what she is looking forward to as she turns 70. </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://aleliabundles.com/about/">Bio</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%27Lelia_Bundles#:~">Wikipedia</a></li><li><a href="http://www.aleliabundles.com/">Website</a></li><li><a href="http://www.madamcjwalker.com">Madam C.J. 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Walker</li><li>​​<a href="https://www.radcliffe.harvard.edu/schlesinger-library">Harvard/Radcliffe's Schlesinger Library</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octavia_Spencer">Octavia Spencer</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08X4XXP1X/">The Inner Work of Age</a> by Connie Zweig, PhD (on the topic of inner ageism)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a><br /><br />- Debbie</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 3 Jun 2022 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>wordbiz@gmail.com (Debbie Weil, A&apos;Lelia Bundles)</author>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie Weil talks to <a href="https://aleliabundles.com/about/">A’Lelia Bundles</a>: her college classmate and friend of almost 50 years. </p><p>A’Lelia, or LeLe, as her friends call her, is an award-winning journalist, author, historian, biographer, speaker and nonprofit leader. She speaks at conferences, colleges, and corporations about entrepreneurship, philanthropy, historic preservation, financial literacy and women’s and African American history. She calls herself a truth seeker. She's also distinguished by her warm and humorous style. It's infectious, as you'll hear.</p><p>She and Debbie are both members of the Harvard/Radcliffe class of 1974. (Another notable member of their class is Merrick Garland,  United States Attorney General.)</p><p>A'lelia is the great-great granddaughter of <a href="https://madamcjwalker.com/about/">Madam C.J. Walker</a>, the 19th century hair-care entrepreneur, activist, and philanthropist, and the first black woman millionaire in America. </p><p>She is the author of <i>On Her Own Ground: The Life and Times of Madam C.J. Walker,</i> a <i>New York Times</i> Notable Book and the definitive biography of her trailblazing great-great grandmother. <i>Self Made,</i> the fictional Netflix series starring Octavia Spencer, is "inspired by" (although not factually based upon) her biography. A'lelia is at work on her fifth book, <i>The Joy Goddess of Harlem: A’Lelia Walker and the Harlem Renaissance</i>, about her great-grandmother whose parties, arts patronage and travels helped define the era. </p><p>A former network television news executive and producer at ABC News and NBC News, she is a vice chair emerita of Columbia University’s Board of Trustees and chair emerita of the board of the National Archives Foundation. She is the founder of the Madam Walker Family Archives, the largest private collection of Walker documents, photographs and memorabilia.</p><p>Debbie and A’Lelia talk about not retiring, the pain of writing a book, and the importance of community and friends - especially the women in their college class. They discuss the legacy she wants to leave behind as a black woman and what she is looking forward to as she turns 70. </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://aleliabundles.com/about/">Bio</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%27Lelia_Bundles#:~">Wikipedia</a></li><li><a href="http://www.aleliabundles.com/">Website</a></li><li><a href="http://www.madamcjwalker.com">Madam C.J. Walker website</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/aleliabundles?lang=en">Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/aleliabundles/?hl=en">Instagram</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Self-Made-Inspired-Madam-Walker/dp/1982126671/ref=sr_1_1?crid=23MPWYHYGOBLT&keywords=Author+of+On+Her+Own+Ground%3A+The+Life+and+Times+of+Madam+C.+J.+Walker&qid=1654033499&sprefix=author+of+on+her+own+ground+the+life+and+times+of+madam+c.+j.+walker%2Caps%2C911&sr=8-1">On Her Own Ground: The Life and Times of Madam C. J. Walker</a> by A’Lelia Bundles (Scribner Media Tie-In edition; 2020)</li><li>Netflix series: <a href="https://www.netflix.com/watch/80202462?source=35">Self Made: Inspired by the Life of Madam C.J. Walker</a></li><li><a href="https://www.madambymcjw.com/us/en">MADAM by Madame C.J. Walker,</a>, a new hair care line inspired by Madam C. J. Walker</li><li>​​<a href="https://www.radcliffe.harvard.edu/schlesinger-library">Harvard/Radcliffe's Schlesinger Library</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octavia_Spencer">Octavia Spencer</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08X4XXP1X/">The Inner Work of Age</a> by Connie Zweig, PhD (on the topic of inner ageism)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a><br /><br />- Debbie</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <title>Dr. Bree Johnston on Psychedelic Therapy to Ease Fear of Death</title>
      <description><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie talks with <strong>Dr. Bree Johnston</strong>, a geriatrician and a palliative care physician who is also certified in psychedelic therapies.</p><p>In case you haven't noticed, the topic of psychedelic therapy has gone mainstream in the past several years. Taking a guided psilocybin trip is now viewed as a highly effective way to ease fear of dying. But it's complicated. It took Debbie several months to find just the right person to interview about the therapeutic benefits of psychedelics. </p><p>Her research led her to Dr. Bree Johnston who is perfectly credentialed for this topic as well as being a notably clear and wise teacher for <strong>[B]OLDER podcast</strong> listeners. She's been a practicing physician for 35 years and recently became certified in <i>Psychedelic Therapies and Research</i> through the California Institute of Integral Studies.</p><p>They talk about:</p><p>- The problem of legality (she predicts psilocybin therapy will be legal in a few years)<br />- Why psychedelic therapy is especially useful for older, dying patients<br />- Her own psychonaut experiences<br />- The dissolution of "self" and becoming part of a whole (a common experience on a psychedelic trip)<br />- The current studies being done at Johns Hopkins and NYU<br />- Microdosing<br />- And her evaluation of which psychedelic therapies are currently most useful: psilocybin, MDMA (aka ecstasy), ketamine (not illegal but results can vary widely).</p><p>They also explore the complexity that comes with medicalizing psychedelics as well as the ethics surrounding legalization.  This is a highly informative conversation with a knowledgeable physician. </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li>Dr. Bree Johnston on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/bree-johnston-77b3186/">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/02/09/trip-treatment">The Trip Treatment</a> by Michael Pollan (The New Yorker; February 5, 2015)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Change-Your-Mind-Consciousness-Transcendence/dp/1594204225">How to Change Your Mind: What the New Science of Psychedelics Teaches Us About Consciousness, Dying, Addiction, Depression, and Transcendence</a> by Michael Pollan (Penguin Press; 2018)</li><li><a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/03/28/the-pied-piper-of-psychedelic-toads">The Pied Piper of Psychedelic Toads</a> by Kimon de Greef (The New Yorker; March 21, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://bcsp.berkeley.edu/">Berkeley Center for the Science of Psychedelics</a></li><li><a href="https://www.ciis.edu/research-centers/center-for-psychedelic-therapies-and-research/about-the-certificate-in-psychedelic-assisted-therapies-and-research">Psychedelic Therapy Training Certificate | California Institute of Integral Studies</a></li><li><a href="https://themicrodose.substack.com/">The Microdose Newsletter</a></li><li>New York Magazine Investigative Podcast: <a href="https://podcasts.voxmedia.com/show/cover-story-power-trip">Cover Story: Power Trip</a></li><li><a href="https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/psychiatry/research/psychedelics-research.html">Johns Hopkins Center for Psychedelic and Consciousness Research</a></li><li><a href="https://med.nyu.edu/departments-institutes/psychiatry/research/center-psychedelic-medicine">Center for Psychedelic Medicine | NYU</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Really-Good-Day-Microdosing-Difference/dp/0451494091">A Really Good Day: How Microdosing Made a Mega Difference in My Mood, My Marriage, and My Life</a> by Ayelet Waldman (Knopf; 2017)</li><li><a href="https://profiles.ucsf.edu/brian.anderson#toc-id6">Brian Anderson - Studies at UCSF</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Sacred-Knowledge-Psychedelics-Religious-Experiences/dp/0231174063">Sacred Knowledge: Psychedelics and Religious Experiences</a> by William Richards (Columbia University Press; 2015)</li><li><a href="https://maps.org/">Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies - MAPS</a></li><li><a href="https://maps.org/news/update/">MAPS Newsletter</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Handbook-Medical-Hallucinogens-Charles-Grob/dp/1462545440">Handbook of Medical Hallucinogens</a> by Charles Grob and Jim Grigsby (The Guilford Press; 2021)</li></ul><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Debbie</li></ul><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor or a podcast network</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2022 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>wordbiz@gmail.com (Debbie Weil, Dr Bree Johnston)</author>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie talks with <strong>Dr. Bree Johnston</strong>, a geriatrician and a palliative care physician who is also certified in psychedelic therapies.</p><p>In case you haven't noticed, the topic of psychedelic therapy has gone mainstream in the past several years. Taking a guided psilocybin trip is now viewed as a highly effective way to ease fear of dying. But it's complicated. It took Debbie several months to find just the right person to interview about the therapeutic benefits of psychedelics. </p><p>Her research led her to Dr. Bree Johnston who is perfectly credentialed for this topic as well as being a notably clear and wise teacher for <strong>[B]OLDER podcast</strong> listeners. She's been a practicing physician for 35 years and recently became certified in <i>Psychedelic Therapies and Research</i> through the California Institute of Integral Studies.</p><p>They talk about:</p><p>- The problem of legality (she predicts psilocybin therapy will be legal in a few years)<br />- Why psychedelic therapy is especially useful for older, dying patients<br />- Her own psychonaut experiences<br />- The dissolution of "self" and becoming part of a whole (a common experience on a psychedelic trip)<br />- The current studies being done at Johns Hopkins and NYU<br />- Microdosing<br />- And her evaluation of which psychedelic therapies are currently most useful: psilocybin, MDMA (aka ecstasy), ketamine (not illegal but results can vary widely).</p><p>They also explore the complexity that comes with medicalizing psychedelics as well as the ethics surrounding legalization.  This is a highly informative conversation with a knowledgeable physician. </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li>Dr. Bree Johnston on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/bree-johnston-77b3186/">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/02/09/trip-treatment">The Trip Treatment</a> by Michael Pollan (The New Yorker; February 5, 2015)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Change-Your-Mind-Consciousness-Transcendence/dp/1594204225">How to Change Your Mind: What the New Science of Psychedelics Teaches Us About Consciousness, Dying, Addiction, Depression, and Transcendence</a> by Michael Pollan (Penguin Press; 2018)</li><li><a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/03/28/the-pied-piper-of-psychedelic-toads">The Pied Piper of Psychedelic Toads</a> by Kimon de Greef (The New Yorker; March 21, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://bcsp.berkeley.edu/">Berkeley Center for the Science of Psychedelics</a></li><li><a href="https://www.ciis.edu/research-centers/center-for-psychedelic-therapies-and-research/about-the-certificate-in-psychedelic-assisted-therapies-and-research">Psychedelic Therapy Training Certificate | California Institute of Integral Studies</a></li><li><a href="https://themicrodose.substack.com/">The Microdose Newsletter</a></li><li>New York Magazine Investigative Podcast: <a href="https://podcasts.voxmedia.com/show/cover-story-power-trip">Cover Story: Power Trip</a></li><li><a href="https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/psychiatry/research/psychedelics-research.html">Johns Hopkins Center for Psychedelic and Consciousness Research</a></li><li><a href="https://med.nyu.edu/departments-institutes/psychiatry/research/center-psychedelic-medicine">Center for Psychedelic Medicine | NYU</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Really-Good-Day-Microdosing-Difference/dp/0451494091">A Really Good Day: How Microdosing Made a Mega Difference in My Mood, My Marriage, and My Life</a> by Ayelet Waldman (Knopf; 2017)</li><li><a href="https://profiles.ucsf.edu/brian.anderson#toc-id6">Brian Anderson - Studies at UCSF</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Sacred-Knowledge-Psychedelics-Religious-Experiences/dp/0231174063">Sacred Knowledge: Psychedelics and Religious Experiences</a> by William Richards (Columbia University Press; 2015)</li><li><a href="https://maps.org/">Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies - MAPS</a></li><li><a href="https://maps.org/news/update/">MAPS Newsletter</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Handbook-Medical-Hallucinogens-Charles-Grob/dp/1462545440">Handbook of Medical Hallucinogens</a> by Charles Grob and Jim Grigsby (The Guilford Press; 2021)</li></ul><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Debbie</li></ul><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor or a podcast network</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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He read through 15,000 replies from 100+ countries and deduced that there are really only four core regrets.</p><ul><li>Foundational (If only I'd done the work... )</li><li>Boldness (If only I'd taken the chance... )</li><li>Moral (If only I'd done the right thing... )</li><li>Connection (If only I'd reached out... )</li></ul><p>Debbie went into this episode thinking that "regret" has a special resonance for those past midlife who may be reflecting on what lies behind them - or what DOESN’T lie behind them - because they didn’t do it.</p><p>But Dan is pretty clear that regretting an inaction - what he defines as a Boldness regret - can come at any age. And that it's never too late to do something about it.</p><p>Debbie reveals one of her biggest regrets to Dan and he offers some on-air therapy for how she should deal with it.</p><p>They also talk about Dan’s "failure resumé" and what he learned from it.</p><p>This is an entertaining and informative episode. But it doesn't cover everything in Dan's new book. Be sure to pick up your own copy to learn more about self-disclosing, self-compassion, and self-distancing when it comes to your own regrets; when to "undo" something you did in the past; and the importance of maintaining connections with friends.</p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://danpink.com">DanPink.com</a></li><li><a href="https://www.danpink.com/the-power-of-regret/#details">The Power of Regret: How Looking Backward Moves Us Forward</a> by Dan Pink (Random House 2022)</li><li>Dare to Lead (Brené Brown's podcast): <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/2vKHXqiUN9rgmrJkDoscFi">Brené With Dan Pink on the Power of Regret</a></li><li><a href="https://www.danpink.com/pinkcast/pinkcast-4-19-this-is-a-2-minute-preview-of-my-new-book/">A 2-minute preview of his new book</a> (a Pinkcast)</li><li><a href="https://worldregretsurvey.com/">World Regret Survey</a></li><li><a href="https://www.danpink.com/books/">All Dan's books</a>: When, To Sell Is Human, Drive, A Whole New Mind, Johnny Bunko, Free Agent Nation</li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/DanielPink">@DanielPink on Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://www.danpink.com/pinkcast/">THE PINKCAST</a></li><li><a href="https://www.danpink.com/subscribe/">Subscribe to Dan's newsletter</a></li><li><a href="https://sive.rs/">Derek Sivers</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Bittersweet-Sorrow-Longing-Make-Whole/dp/0451499786/">Bittersweet: How Sorrow and Longing Make Us Whole</a> by Susan Cain (Crown 2022)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Happiness-Curve-Life-Better-After/dp/1250078806">The Happiness Curve: Why Life Gets Better After 50</a> by Jonathan Rauch (Thomas Dunne Books 2018)</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Nobel#Nobel_Prize">Alfred Nobel</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/12/opinion/sunday/david-brooks-the-moral-bucket-list.html">The Moral Bucket List</a> by David Brooks (The New York Times, April 11, 2015)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Debbie</li></ul><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor or a podcast network</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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That book was one of the first to legitimize solopreneurs and to predict the revolution in the workplace.</p><p>The premise of his new book is that while many people (especially Americans) proclaim <i>"I have no regrets!"</i> that statement is wrongheaded and, as Dan delights in pointing out, simply not true. </p><p>We all have regrets and regret is a valuable emotion that can lead us to better understand ourselves and even to live our lives differently.</p><p>The book is partially based on the results of Dan's <strong>World Regret Survey</strong>. He read through 15,000 replies from 100+ countries and deduced that there are really only four core regrets.</p><ul><li>Foundational (If only I'd done the work... )</li><li>Boldness (If only I'd taken the chance... )</li><li>Moral (If only I'd done the right thing... )</li><li>Connection (If only I'd reached out... )</li></ul><p>Debbie went into this episode thinking that "regret" has a special resonance for those past midlife who may be reflecting on what lies behind them - or what DOESN’T lie behind them - because they didn’t do it.</p><p>But Dan is pretty clear that regretting an inaction - what he defines as a Boldness regret - can come at any age. And that it's never too late to do something about it.</p><p>Debbie reveals one of her biggest regrets to Dan and he offers some on-air therapy for how she should deal with it.</p><p>They also talk about Dan’s "failure resumé" and what he learned from it.</p><p>This is an entertaining and informative episode. But it doesn't cover everything in Dan's new book. Be sure to pick up your own copy to learn more about self-disclosing, self-compassion, and self-distancing when it comes to your own regrets; when to "undo" something you did in the past; and the importance of maintaining connections with friends.</p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://danpink.com">DanPink.com</a></li><li><a href="https://www.danpink.com/the-power-of-regret/#details">The Power of Regret: How Looking Backward Moves Us Forward</a> by Dan Pink (Random House 2022)</li><li>Dare to Lead (Brené Brown's podcast): <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/2vKHXqiUN9rgmrJkDoscFi">Brené With Dan Pink on the Power of Regret</a></li><li><a href="https://www.danpink.com/pinkcast/pinkcast-4-19-this-is-a-2-minute-preview-of-my-new-book/">A 2-minute preview of his new book</a> (a Pinkcast)</li><li><a href="https://worldregretsurvey.com/">World Regret Survey</a></li><li><a href="https://www.danpink.com/books/">All Dan's books</a>: When, To Sell Is Human, Drive, A Whole New Mind, Johnny Bunko, Free Agent Nation</li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/DanielPink">@DanielPink on Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://www.danpink.com/pinkcast/">THE PINKCAST</a></li><li><a href="https://www.danpink.com/subscribe/">Subscribe to Dan's newsletter</a></li><li><a href="https://sive.rs/">Derek Sivers</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Bittersweet-Sorrow-Longing-Make-Whole/dp/0451499786/">Bittersweet: How Sorrow and Longing Make Us Whole</a> by Susan Cain (Crown 2022)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Happiness-Curve-Life-Better-After/dp/1250078806">The Happiness Curve: Why Life Gets Better After 50</a> by Jonathan Rauch (Thomas Dunne Books 2018)</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Nobel#Nobel_Prize">Alfred Nobel</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/12/opinion/sunday/david-brooks-the-moral-bucket-list.html">The Moral Bucket List</a> by David Brooks (The New York Times, April 11, 2015)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Debbie</li></ul><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor or a podcast network</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Debbie hands over the mic to her producer, Julie-Roxane Krikorian, for a deep dive on the conversations we need to have with ourselves and our loved ones about old age and dying. </p><p>Together, they unpack the difference between theory and practice when it comes to these emotionally-loaded conversations. They talk about the challenges of becoming weaker and more vulnerable as our bodies decline, and the flipping of the dynamics of care between parents and children at the end of life.</p><p>They discuss the difficulty of giving space to our aging parents all the while trying to support them with practical help. They also talk about a reframe from weakening to softening and how to become elders who lead the way into the unknown of aging and dying.</p><p>Debbie shares her personal journey with this topic as a daughter, a big sister of four, and a mother of three. She even reveals what her “dream death” is. </p><p>This is a real and honest account of Debbie’s experiences and, we believe, a useful conversation to anyone navigating the complex waters of aging parents and aging ourselves.</p><p>Don't worry, there's plenty of humor. </p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s4-ep5-debbie-and-julie-roxane-dissect-how-reinventing-your-life-really-works/">S4-EP5: Debbie and Julie-Roxane Dissect How Reinventing Your Life Really Works</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep25-debbie-weil-on-turning-70-mortality-and-making-the-most-of-growing-older/">S3-EP25: Debbie Weil on Turning 70, Mortality, and Making the Most of Growing Older</a></li><li><a href="https://www.thefarout.life/podcast/">The FAR OUT Podcast: </a>Julie-Roxane’s podcast with her husband Alasdair</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p><strong> Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Debbie</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor or a podcast network</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners,<a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/"> contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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Not surprisingly, he's an in-demand expert for commentary about the coronavirus pandemic. </p><p>Vaccines were widely available when the two spoke a year ago. Debbie, like many others, thought that meant the beginning of the end of the pandemic. Not quite, Nicholas said at the time. He was spot on in his predictions, saying that not until 2024 would the pandemic be behind us. A year later, he says we are finally through phase one of the pandemic. He expects we'll reach herd immunity several months from now.</p><p>He and Debbie discuss Long COVID, whether we should still be wearing masks, the continuing importance of getting thrice vaccinated, what metric to pay the most attention to (number of deaths per day),  addressing disinformation around this pandemic, and more. He notes that historically there has been a confluence of disasters associated with plagues, including war, famine, and climate change.</p><p>When the war against Ukraine erupted, he was astounded but also not surprised. World War I accompanied the 1918 pandemic. This time, Ukraine and climate change are the accompanying global disasters.</p><p>Nicholas ends by reminding us that plagues are not rare and may continue to become more present in our lifetime – but that we have the tools and technology to get through them.</p><p>Tune in for a fascinating conversation about where we are now with the COVID pandemic.</p><p> </p><p><strong>About Nicholas Christakis</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Christakis">Wikipedia</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/NAChristakis?">Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://sociology.yale.edu/people/nicholas-christakis">Yale University</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvEqnjR24WGBbMa_N7NyM5vLZ4aFe2YWy">Ted Talks</a></li><li><a href="https://www.humannaturelab.net/">Human Nature Lab at Yale</a></li></ul><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li>New paperback edition: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Apollos-Arrow-Profound-Enduring-Coronavirus/dp/0316628204">Apollo's Arrow: The Profound and Enduring Impact of Coronavirus on the Way We Live</a> by Nicholas Christakis (Little, Brown Spark, Oct. 2021)<br /> </li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep21-nicholas-christakis-on-how-the-pandemic-will-affect-your-life-until-2024/">[B]OLDER S3-EP21: Nicholas Christakis on How the Pandemic Will Affect Your Life Until 2024</a><br /> </li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZhr8Hz03jY">COVID Will Reshape Humanity</a> (interview with Amanpour & Co., Dec. 21, 2021) <br /><br /> </li></ul><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Debbie</li></ul><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor or a podcast network</strong></p><p><strong>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners,</strong> <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/"><strong>contact Debbie Weil</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p><strong>Credits</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debbie Weil brings <strong>Nicholas Christakis</strong> back on the show  for an update on all things COVID. Their conversation one year ago was one of the most popular episodes of Season 3. Nicholas is a Sterling Professor of Social and Natural Science at Yale. He's a physician, a sociologist, and a public health expert and he's the bestselling author of several books, including, most recently, <strong>Apollo's Arrow,</strong> about the coronavirus pandemic. </p><p>The book is out in paperback, with a new Preface and a new Afterword. Debbie wanted to ask Nicholas where are we now with the COVID-19 pandemic, where are we going, and what does this all mean in an historical context.</p><p>She could listen to Nicholas all day as he weaves together the history, the science, the epidemiology, the psychology and the sociology of pandemics, or plagues as he calls them. Not surprisingly, he's an in-demand expert for commentary about the coronavirus pandemic. </p><p>Vaccines were widely available when the two spoke a year ago. Debbie, like many others, thought that meant the beginning of the end of the pandemic. Not quite, Nicholas said at the time. He was spot on in his predictions, saying that not until 2024 would the pandemic be behind us. A year later, he says we are finally through phase one of the pandemic. He expects we'll reach herd immunity several months from now.</p><p>He and Debbie discuss Long COVID, whether we should still be wearing masks, the continuing importance of getting thrice vaccinated, what metric to pay the most attention to (number of deaths per day),  addressing disinformation around this pandemic, and more. He notes that historically there has been a confluence of disasters associated with plagues, including war, famine, and climate change.</p><p>When the war against Ukraine erupted, he was astounded but also not surprised. World War I accompanied the 1918 pandemic. This time, Ukraine and climate change are the accompanying global disasters.</p><p>Nicholas ends by reminding us that plagues are not rare and may continue to become more present in our lifetime – but that we have the tools and technology to get through them.</p><p>Tune in for a fascinating conversation about where we are now with the COVID pandemic.</p><p> </p><p><strong>About Nicholas Christakis</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Christakis">Wikipedia</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/NAChristakis?">Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://sociology.yale.edu/people/nicholas-christakis">Yale University</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvEqnjR24WGBbMa_N7NyM5vLZ4aFe2YWy">Ted Talks</a></li><li><a href="https://www.humannaturelab.net/">Human Nature Lab at Yale</a></li></ul><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li>New paperback edition: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Apollos-Arrow-Profound-Enduring-Coronavirus/dp/0316628204">Apollo's Arrow: The Profound and Enduring Impact of Coronavirus on the Way We Live</a> by Nicholas Christakis (Little, Brown Spark, Oct. 2021)<br /> </li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep21-nicholas-christakis-on-how-the-pandemic-will-affect-your-life-until-2024/">[B]OLDER S3-EP21: Nicholas Christakis on How the Pandemic Will Affect Your Life Until 2024</a><br /> </li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZhr8Hz03jY">COVID Will Reshape Humanity</a> (interview with Amanpour & Co., Dec. 21, 2021) <br /><br /> </li></ul><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Debbie</li></ul><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor or a podcast network</strong></p><p><strong>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners,</strong> <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/"><strong>contact Debbie Weil</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p><strong>Credits</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <title>Bradley Schurman on Our Aging Population and How It Could Eradicate Ageism</title>
      <description><![CDATA[<p>Today Debbie speaks with Bradley Schurman about the megatrend of an aging population, both in the U.S. and globally. Bradley is a demographic futurist and the author of a provocative new book: <strong>The Super Age: Decoding Our Demographic Destiny.</strong></p><p>The aging of our population represents the intersection of two other megatrends: decreased birth rates and increased longevity. </p><p>The numbers are staggering: By 2030, one out of five Americans will be over 65. To put it another way, In the next two years the number of those 65 and over, in the U.S., will be equal to those under 18. </p><p>So what does this mean? Well it’s complicated. </p><p>Obviously it means that society needs to adapt and to change. But Debbie's question to Bradley is, will it - and how long will it take? </p><p>There are so many interrelated factors.</p><p>In his book he talks about the economy (the impact on social security and medicare and more), societal attitudes (meaning ageism), workplace policies, lifetime education and training, housing, geography (urban vs. rural), advertising and marketing, and the startling inequities in longevity between the well off and the poor and between races.</p><p>In their conversation they focus on the workplace and the changes that will have to happen in order for businesses and the economy to thrive. </p><p>Bradley is an incorrigible optimist, as you’ll hear, and Debbie so very much wants to believe him. </p><p>In his future scenario older workers will be welcomed into the workforce well past retirement age, both society and government will change how older people are viewed and treated, and older people will move from the sidelines where they are now, often seen as expendable and not useful, to center stage. </p><p>Bradley says this can happen in a decade. Debbie is skeptical about how fast we’ll see change.</p><p> Lots to think about in this conversation and in Bradley’s new book.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.thesuperage.com/book">The Super Age: Decoding our Demographic Destiny</a> by Bradley Schurman ‎(Harper Business 2022)</li><li><a href="https://www.newsweek.com/2022/03/04/older-workers-rescue-why-boomers-may-answer-big-quit-1679070.html?amp=1">Why  Boomers May Be the Answer to the Big Quit </a>by Bradley Schurman (Newsweek, Feb. 16, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/bradleyschurman">Bradley on Twitter </a></li><li><a href="https://www.thesuperage.com/">The Super Age™</a></li><li><a href="https://www.thesuperage.com/about">About — The Super Age™</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_White">Betty White</a></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/iris.apfel/">Iris Apfel</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor or a podcast network</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners,<a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/"> contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music:<strong> </strong><a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2022 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today Debbie speaks with Bradley Schurman about the megatrend of an aging population, both in the U.S. and globally. Bradley is a demographic futurist and the author of a provocative new book: <strong>The Super Age: Decoding Our Demographic Destiny.</strong></p><p>The aging of our population represents the intersection of two other megatrends: decreased birth rates and increased longevity. </p><p>The numbers are staggering: By 2030, one out of five Americans will be over 65. To put it another way, In the next two years the number of those 65 and over, in the U.S., will be equal to those under 18. </p><p>So what does this mean? Well it’s complicated. </p><p>Obviously it means that society needs to adapt and to change. But Debbie's question to Bradley is, will it - and how long will it take? </p><p>There are so many interrelated factors.</p><p>In his book he talks about the economy (the impact on social security and medicare and more), societal attitudes (meaning ageism), workplace policies, lifetime education and training, housing, geography (urban vs. rural), advertising and marketing, and the startling inequities in longevity between the well off and the poor and between races.</p><p>In their conversation they focus on the workplace and the changes that will have to happen in order for businesses and the economy to thrive. </p><p>Bradley is an incorrigible optimist, as you’ll hear, and Debbie so very much wants to believe him. </p><p>In his future scenario older workers will be welcomed into the workforce well past retirement age, both society and government will change how older people are viewed and treated, and older people will move from the sidelines where they are now, often seen as expendable and not useful, to center stage. </p><p>Bradley says this can happen in a decade. Debbie is skeptical about how fast we’ll see change.</p><p> Lots to think about in this conversation and in Bradley’s new book.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.thesuperage.com/book">The Super Age: Decoding our Demographic Destiny</a> by Bradley Schurman ‎(Harper Business 2022)</li><li><a href="https://www.newsweek.com/2022/03/04/older-workers-rescue-why-boomers-may-answer-big-quit-1679070.html?amp=1">Why  Boomers May Be the Answer to the Big Quit </a>by Bradley Schurman (Newsweek, Feb. 16, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/bradleyschurman">Bradley on Twitter </a></li><li><a href="https://www.thesuperage.com/">The Super Age™</a></li><li><a href="https://www.thesuperage.com/about">About — The Super Age™</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_White">Betty White</a></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/iris.apfel/">Iris Apfel</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor or a podcast network</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners,<a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/"> contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music:<strong> </strong><a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie talks to <strong>Richard Eisenberg</strong>, a veteran journalist and author who has covered careers and personal finance for 40+ years. Richard recently "unretired," as he puts it, from his 10-year run as managing editor of Next Avenue, the comprehensive online news source for Boomer and Gen X Americans.</p><p>As a journalist, he's made it his mission to cover money, work and purpose in a way that is useful and practical and lessens readers' stress. Debbie wondered how he would apply this approach to his own next chapter. Not surprisingly, he has a pragmatic plan for how to put together the pieces of "what’s next” for himself.</p><p>He tells us that his unretired life will include some work - writing and editing - but as a freelance. He also wants to mentor, travel, and spend more time with his sons on the West Coast. That's the plan so far but how it will all fit together is yet to be seen.</p><p>And that's a little scary.</p><p>No matter.  As you’ll hear, Richard is okay with taking small steps and experimenting to find the right balance. In other words, he is practicing what he's been preaching to readers for decades. Debbie agrees with much of what Richard says so there’s not much drama in this episode but it’s a lovely and relaxed conversation.</p><p>He and Debbie talk about the persistence of ageism in our society and the deeply entrenched “decline” narrative. And they delve into what has become a new meme: the 100-year-life and what it means from a policy and financial perspective. Richard reminds Debbie that health-span is a better concept than age span.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/writer/richard-eisenberg/">Bio</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/">Next Avenue</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/richeis315">Twitter</a></li><li><strong>Podcast:</strong> <a href="https://friendstalkmoney.org/">Friends Talk Money</a></li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Richard's new "Unretired" column for Market Watch</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.marketwatch.com/story/5-keys-to-a-successful-unretirement-11645024631">I left my job at age 65 and I don't want to retire -- what's next?</a> by Richard Eisenberg, Marketwatch, February 16 2022<br /> </li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Selection of Richard's articles for Next Avenue</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/next-avenues-managing-editor-says-goodbye-but-not-farewell/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=email_article_share">Next Avenue's Managing Editor Says Goodbye — But Not Farewell</a> (Next Avenue, January 4, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/unconscious-age-bias-experts-advice/">Overcoming Unconscious Age Bias: An Expert's Advice</a> (Next Avenue, November 23, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/nobody-wants-parents-stuff/">Sorry, Nobody Wants Your Parents' Stuff</a> (Next Avenue, February 9, 2017)</li><li><a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/my-moms-lasting-legacy/">My Mom's Lasting Legacy</a> (Next Avenue, September 6, 2012)</li><li><a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/blue-zones-part-1-how-the-worlds-oldest-people-make-their-money-last-in-costa-rica/">Blue Zones, Part 1: How the World's Oldest People Make Their Money Last</a> (Next Avenue, April 2, 2019)</li><li><a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/blue-zones-worlds-oldest-people-asia-europe-make-their-money-last/">Blue Zones, Part 2: How the World's Oldest People in Asia and Europe Make Their Money Last</a> (Next Avenue, April 9, 2019)</li><li><a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/oldest-people-americas-blue-zone-make-their-money-last/">How the Oldest People in America's Blue Zone Make Their Money Last</a> (Next Avenue, April 16, 2019)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Books</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0446524670/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_taft_p1_i0">The Money Book of Personal Finance</a> by Richard Eisenberg (‎Warner Books 1998)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0140110119/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i2">How to Avoid a Mid-life Financial Crisis</a> by Richard Eisenberg (‎Penguin Books 1988)</li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Also mentioned:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s4-ep6-debbie-sam-on-entering-the-land-of-the-old/">[B]OLDER S4-EP6: Debbie & Sam on Entering the Land of the Old: Plans & Challenges For Their Eighth Decade</a></li><li><a href="https://www.susanflory.com/">The Big Middle Podcast with Susan Flory</a></li><li><a href="https://www.hartfordfunds.com/insights/investor-insight/mit/8000-days-of-retirement/honeymoon-phase.html">The Honeymoon Phase of Retirement</a> (Hartford Funds, December 24 2020)</li><li><a href="https://longevity.stanford.edu/century-lives/">Century Lives - at Stanford Center for Longevity podcast</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Life-Transitions-Mastering-Change-Any/dp/1101980516/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1GKG97N77AWY4&keywords=bruce+feiler+life+is+in+the+transitions&qid=1645135513&sprefix=bruce+feiler+%2Caps%2C1480&sr=8-1">Life is in the Transitions: Mastering Change at any Age</a> by Bruce Feiler (Penguin Books 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Retirement-Stepping-Stones-Meaning-Purpose/dp/1632994038/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1645135628&sr=8-1">Retirement Stepping Stones: Find Meaning, Live with Purpose, and Leave a Legacy</a> by Tony Hixon (‎River Grove Books 2021)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p><strong>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: </strong><a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide"><strong>https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p><p><strong> Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a><br /> </li></ul><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor or a podcast network</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners,<a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/"> contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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That's the plan so far but how it will all fit together is yet to be seen.</p><p>And that's a little scary.</p><p>No matter.  As you’ll hear, Richard is okay with taking small steps and experimenting to find the right balance. In other words, he is practicing what he's been preaching to readers for decades. Debbie agrees with much of what Richard says so there’s not much drama in this episode but it’s a lovely and relaxed conversation.</p><p>He and Debbie talk about the persistence of ageism in our society and the deeply entrenched “decline” narrative. And they delve into what has become a new meme: the 100-year-life and what it means from a policy and financial perspective. Richard reminds Debbie that health-span is a better concept than age span.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/writer/richard-eisenberg/">Bio</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/">Next Avenue</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/richeis315">Twitter</a></li><li><strong>Podcast:</strong> <a href="https://friendstalkmoney.org/">Friends Talk Money</a></li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Richard's new "Unretired" column for Market Watch</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.marketwatch.com/story/5-keys-to-a-successful-unretirement-11645024631">I left my job at age 65 and I don't want to retire -- what's next?</a> by Richard Eisenberg, Marketwatch, February 16 2022<br /> </li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Selection of Richard's articles for Next Avenue</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/next-avenues-managing-editor-says-goodbye-but-not-farewell/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=email_article_share">Next Avenue's Managing Editor Says Goodbye — But Not Farewell</a> (Next Avenue, January 4, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/unconscious-age-bias-experts-advice/">Overcoming Unconscious Age Bias: An Expert's Advice</a> (Next Avenue, November 23, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/nobody-wants-parents-stuff/">Sorry, Nobody Wants Your Parents' Stuff</a> (Next Avenue, February 9, 2017)</li><li><a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/my-moms-lasting-legacy/">My Mom's Lasting Legacy</a> (Next Avenue, September 6, 2012)</li><li><a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/blue-zones-part-1-how-the-worlds-oldest-people-make-their-money-last-in-costa-rica/">Blue Zones, Part 1: How the World's Oldest People Make Their Money Last</a> (Next Avenue, April 2, 2019)</li><li><a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/blue-zones-worlds-oldest-people-asia-europe-make-their-money-last/">Blue Zones, Part 2: How the World's Oldest People in Asia and Europe Make Their Money Last</a> (Next Avenue, April 9, 2019)</li><li><a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/oldest-people-americas-blue-zone-make-their-money-last/">How the Oldest People in America's Blue Zone Make Their Money Last</a> (Next Avenue, April 16, 2019)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Books</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0446524670/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_taft_p1_i0">The Money Book of Personal Finance</a> by Richard Eisenberg (‎Warner Books 1998)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0140110119/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i2">How to Avoid a Mid-life Financial Crisis</a> by Richard Eisenberg (‎Penguin Books 1988)</li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Also mentioned:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s4-ep6-debbie-sam-on-entering-the-land-of-the-old/">[B]OLDER S4-EP6: Debbie & Sam on Entering the Land of the Old: Plans & Challenges For Their Eighth Decade</a></li><li><a href="https://www.susanflory.com/">The Big Middle Podcast with Susan Flory</a></li><li><a href="https://www.hartfordfunds.com/insights/investor-insight/mit/8000-days-of-retirement/honeymoon-phase.html">The Honeymoon Phase of Retirement</a> (Hartford Funds, December 24 2020)</li><li><a href="https://longevity.stanford.edu/century-lives/">Century Lives - at Stanford Center for Longevity podcast</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Life-Transitions-Mastering-Change-Any/dp/1101980516/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1GKG97N77AWY4&keywords=bruce+feiler+life+is+in+the+transitions&qid=1645135513&sprefix=bruce+feiler+%2Caps%2C1480&sr=8-1">Life is in the Transitions: Mastering Change at any Age</a> by Bruce Feiler (Penguin Books 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Retirement-Stepping-Stones-Meaning-Purpose/dp/1632994038/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1645135628&sr=8-1">Retirement Stepping Stones: Find Meaning, Live with Purpose, and Leave a Legacy</a> by Tony Hixon (‎River Grove Books 2021)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p><strong>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: </strong><a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide"><strong>https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p><p><strong> Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a><br /> </li></ul><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor or a podcast network</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners,<a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/"> contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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She tells us about the bootcamp, a brutal selection process she survived in order to get hired by a private charter company that flies various groups, including the military, around the world. The airline industry is surprisingly open to hiring older employees, she tells us.</p><p>The job is exciting but challenging. Her passengers, often military personnel, may carry semi-automatic rifles but they are always compliant, following her orders to stow them with "butts to the captain and muzzles to the rear." <br /><br />That always gets a laugh, she says.</p><p>The disruption of her circadian rhythm is very hard, Suzanne says, as is being on call with only two hours notice to work the next flight. She sometimes works for 23 hours straight and then gets 9 hours off. Her biggest challenge is getting enough sleep. </p><p>But she seems to thrive on the unpredictability. Her schedule might take her from Sofia, the capital of Bulgaria to Guam, which is the largest of the Mariana Islands in the north Pacific and also a U.S. territory. Debbie had to look that one up. </p><p>They end this delightful conversation with Suzanne offering a few tips for those thinking about reinventing themselves at midlife or later.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://wisdomwell.modernelderacademy.com/getting-your-wings-at-60">Getting Your Wings at 60</a> by Suzanne Watkins (Wisdom Well)</li><li><a href="https://www.webmd.com/connect-to-care/addiction-treatment-recovery/trazodone-for-sleep">Trazedone as a sleep aid</a></li><li><a href="https://www.travelandleisure.com/jobs/how-to-become-flight-attendant">How to Become a Flight Attendant </a>(Travel & Leisure; Dec. 24, 2018)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p><strong> Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a><br /> </li><li>Debbie</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor or a podcast network</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners,<a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/"> contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2022 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>wordbiz@gmail.com (Suzanne Watkins, Debbie Weil)</author>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debbie talks with <strong>Suzanne Watkins</strong>, a friend she met several years ago, who became an international flight attendant at age 60. </p><p>If you've ever wondered about the life of an international flight attendant - all those hours on your feet, exotic destinations, and constant jet lag - this episode's for you.<br /><br />Suzanne wanted a career change when she turned 60 and realized that her life was "not a dress rehearsal." She’d spent years working a typical 9-5 in the travel industry helping others plan their adventures, and also raising her children. But then she had a serious health crisis, coming close to death. That experience reminded her that she is mortal and it was time to pursue her dreams.</p><p>So she applied to be an international flight attendant. She tells us about the bootcamp, a brutal selection process she survived in order to get hired by a private charter company that flies various groups, including the military, around the world. The airline industry is surprisingly open to hiring older employees, she tells us.</p><p>The job is exciting but challenging. Her passengers, often military personnel, may carry semi-automatic rifles but they are always compliant, following her orders to stow them with "butts to the captain and muzzles to the rear." <br /><br />That always gets a laugh, she says.</p><p>The disruption of her circadian rhythm is very hard, Suzanne says, as is being on call with only two hours notice to work the next flight. She sometimes works for 23 hours straight and then gets 9 hours off. Her biggest challenge is getting enough sleep. </p><p>But she seems to thrive on the unpredictability. Her schedule might take her from Sofia, the capital of Bulgaria to Guam, which is the largest of the Mariana Islands in the north Pacific and also a U.S. territory. Debbie had to look that one up. </p><p>They end this delightful conversation with Suzanne offering a few tips for those thinking about reinventing themselves at midlife or later.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://wisdomwell.modernelderacademy.com/getting-your-wings-at-60">Getting Your Wings at 60</a> by Suzanne Watkins (Wisdom Well)</li><li><a href="https://www.webmd.com/connect-to-care/addiction-treatment-recovery/trazodone-for-sleep">Trazedone as a sleep aid</a></li><li><a href="https://www.travelandleisure.com/jobs/how-to-become-flight-attendant">How to Become a Flight Attendant </a>(Travel & Leisure; Dec. 24, 2018)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p><strong> Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a><br /> </li><li>Debbie</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor or a podcast network</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners,<a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/"> contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie brings Carl Honoré on the show for a conversation about the slow movement and about aging and ageism.</p><p>Carl has a book titled <i>BOLDER: Making the Most of Our Longer Lives</i> so Debbie's first question is whether he minds if she uses the word as the new name for the podcast.</p><p>Carl says It's absolutely fine to use <strong>[B]OLDER.</strong> (Book titles can't be copyrighted.) As he puts it, the more fire power we can aim at the "ageist industrial complex," the better. We'll continue doing our part on this podcast.</p><p>Carl is a bestselling author and speaker and is considered the voice of the <strong>Slow Movement</strong> as well as a spokesman for anti-ageism. His two TED Talks, on the <i>Power of Slow</i> and the <i>Power of Aging</i> have racked up millions of views.</p><p>His first book, <i>In Praise of Slowness,</i> makes the point that slowing down is a better way to approach life. As he puts it: "to connect more, create more, focus more and achieve more." He’s also written a book about slow parenting.</p><p><i>Bolder,</i> his more recent book, was inspired by an incident on the ice hockey rink when he realized, after scoring the winning goal, that he was the oldest member of the team. That struck a chord with him (he was in his 40s at the time) and he realized he needed to reexamine his ageist assumptions about himself, as well as society’s assumptions about aging.</p><p>They talk about:</p><p>- How Carl moved from slowness to aging as a focus of his work. The connection is "drilling down to the stuff that really matters and focussing on that," as he puts it.  </p><p>- Whether the <i>Slow Movement</i> has really caught on in the past two decades. Carl says it has; Debbie is a bit more skeptical.</p><p>- Why ageism is still difficult to root out. </p><p>They discuss how changing our language around aging is hard (but we should keep trying!). And why we should consider the practice of contemplating death… lightly, as a way to remember to enjoy the here and now. </p><p>This is a wonderful conversation with a highly articulate author and thinker on the topics of slowness and aging.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><p>Note: The subtitle of the American edition of Carl Honoré's book is: <i>How to Age Better and Feel Better About Aging.</i></p><ul><li><a href="https://carlhonore.com/">CarlHonoré.com</a></li><li><a href="https://www.carlhonore.com/book/in-praise-of-slowness/">In Praise of Slow: Challenging the Cult of Speed</a> by Carl Honoré (HarperOne; 2005)</li><li><a href="https://www.carlhonore.com/book/bolder/">Bolder: Making the Most of our Longer Lives</a> by Carl Honoré (Simon & Schuster UK; 2019)</li><li><a href="https://www.carlhonore.com/book/30-days-to-slow/">30 Days To Slow</a> (2020 workbook that accompanies <i>In Praise of Slowness</i>)</li><li><a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/carl_honore_in_praise_of_slowness">Carl Honoré: the Power of Slow | TED Talk</a></li><li><a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/carl_honore_why_we_should_embrace_aging_as_an_adventure">Carl Honoré: the Power of Aging | TED Talk</a></li><li><a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000l0j3">Carl Honoré on BBC Radio 4: Ending Ageism</a></li><li><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/jan/02/can-you-think-yourself-young-ageing-psychology">Can you think yourself young?</a> by David Robson (The Guardian, Jan. 2, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://www.modernelderacademy.com/programs#">Bolder: making the most of our longer lives</a> Carl's workshop at MEA in Baja, MX (Jan. 31 - Feb. 5, 2022)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>. Subscribers often print it out to save. </p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor or a podcast network</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2022 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>wordbiz@gmail.com (Debbie Weil, Carl Honoré)</author>
      <link>https://debbieweil.com/podcast</link>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie brings Carl Honoré on the show for a conversation about the slow movement and about aging and ageism.</p><p>Carl has a book titled <i>BOLDER: Making the Most of Our Longer Lives</i> so Debbie's first question is whether he minds if she uses the word as the new name for the podcast.</p><p>Carl says It's absolutely fine to use <strong>[B]OLDER.</strong> (Book titles can't be copyrighted.) As he puts it, the more fire power we can aim at the "ageist industrial complex," the better. We'll continue doing our part on this podcast.</p><p>Carl is a bestselling author and speaker and is considered the voice of the <strong>Slow Movement</strong> as well as a spokesman for anti-ageism. His two TED Talks, on the <i>Power of Slow</i> and the <i>Power of Aging</i> have racked up millions of views.</p><p>His first book, <i>In Praise of Slowness,</i> makes the point that slowing down is a better way to approach life. As he puts it: "to connect more, create more, focus more and achieve more." He’s also written a book about slow parenting.</p><p><i>Bolder,</i> his more recent book, was inspired by an incident on the ice hockey rink when he realized, after scoring the winning goal, that he was the oldest member of the team. That struck a chord with him (he was in his 40s at the time) and he realized he needed to reexamine his ageist assumptions about himself, as well as society’s assumptions about aging.</p><p>They talk about:</p><p>- How Carl moved from slowness to aging as a focus of his work. The connection is "drilling down to the stuff that really matters and focussing on that," as he puts it.  </p><p>- Whether the <i>Slow Movement</i> has really caught on in the past two decades. Carl says it has; Debbie is a bit more skeptical.</p><p>- Why ageism is still difficult to root out. </p><p>They discuss how changing our language around aging is hard (but we should keep trying!). And why we should consider the practice of contemplating death… lightly, as a way to remember to enjoy the here and now. </p><p>This is a wonderful conversation with a highly articulate author and thinker on the topics of slowness and aging.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><p>Note: The subtitle of the American edition of Carl Honoré's book is: <i>How to Age Better and Feel Better About Aging.</i></p><ul><li><a href="https://carlhonore.com/">CarlHonoré.com</a></li><li><a href="https://www.carlhonore.com/book/in-praise-of-slowness/">In Praise of Slow: Challenging the Cult of Speed</a> by Carl Honoré (HarperOne; 2005)</li><li><a href="https://www.carlhonore.com/book/bolder/">Bolder: Making the Most of our Longer Lives</a> by Carl Honoré (Simon & Schuster UK; 2019)</li><li><a href="https://www.carlhonore.com/book/30-days-to-slow/">30 Days To Slow</a> (2020 workbook that accompanies <i>In Praise of Slowness</i>)</li><li><a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/carl_honore_in_praise_of_slowness">Carl Honoré: the Power of Slow | TED Talk</a></li><li><a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/carl_honore_why_we_should_embrace_aging_as_an_adventure">Carl Honoré: the Power of Aging | TED Talk</a></li><li><a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000l0j3">Carl Honoré on BBC Radio 4: Ending Ageism</a></li><li><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/jan/02/can-you-think-yourself-young-ageing-psychology">Can you think yourself young?</a> by David Robson (The Guardian, Jan. 2, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://www.modernelderacademy.com/programs#">Bolder: making the most of our longer lives</a> Carl's workshop at MEA in Baja, MX (Jan. 31 - Feb. 5, 2022)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>. Subscribers often print it out to save. </p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor or a podcast network</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Debbie talks to legendary business author and speaker <a href="https://tompeters.com">Tom Peters</a>.  And if you're wondering why she's interviewing a business management guru, it's because Tom exemplifies the new name of the podcast: <strong>[B]OLDER</strong>. I.e. getting bolder as you grow older. </p><p>Tom is the co-author of <strong>In Search of Excellence</strong>, published 40 years ago and considered one of the most influential business books ever written. </p><p>The book makes the argument that <i>excellent</i> companies treat their employees with respect. <i>They put people first.</i></p><p>Tom is known for being brash, fanatical, even outrageous (a combination of <strong>Billy Graham</strong> and <strong>Sid Vicious</strong> as one commentator put it) and he's been haranguing audiences and readers around the world for decades with his philosophy of <i>people first.</i>   </p><p>Haranguing, because many companies are still not doing it. Although the pandemic may have changed that a bit.</p><p>In 2017 he received the <a href="https://thinkers50.com/biographies/tom-peters/">Thinkers50 Lifetime Achievement Award</a>. He also coined the term <strong>Personal Branding</strong>.</p><p>And he’s not stopping as he turns 80.</p><p>In this conversation, he reflects on why women should be leading; passion and outrage and why they are the most important quality in a good speaker; his love for research and data and the concept of compassionomics. </p><p>He also gets personal, opening up about his childhood and his mother's influence and reiterating why he is <strong>not done yet.</strong></p><p>He's as fanatical as ever (especially on the topic of women getting things done) and you’ll hear Debbie occasionally interrupting or <i>trying</i> to interrupt him in this conversation. Not something Debbie normally does but Tom's Director of Programs, <strong>Shelley Dolley</strong>, encouraged her to do so.</p><p>Debbie met Tom almost 15 years ago when he interviewed her for his <a href="https://tompeters.com/cool-friends/weil-debbie/">Cool Friends series</a>, shortly after her book (<a href="https://debbieweil.com/books/">The Corporate Blogging Book</a>) came out.</p><p>Coincidentally, he is married to a high school classmate of Debbie's, designer <strong>Susan Sargent</strong>.</p><p>His newest book, <strong>Excellence Now: Extreme Humanism</strong>, is more relevant than ever with its emphasis on creating a humane workplace. It's his eighteenth book and it may be his last, he tells Debbie. </p><p>Much of his written and speech material is available—free to download—at <a href="https://tompeters.com">tompeters.com</a> and <a href="https://excellencenow.com">excellencenow.com</a>.</p><p>Enjoy this spirited and wide-ranging conversation with a legendary thinker. </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://tompeters.com/">TomPeters.com</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/tom_peters">Tom Peters on Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Search-Excellence-Americas-Best-Run-Companies/dp/0060548789">In Search of Excellence: Lessons from America's Best-Run Companies</a> by Tom Peters and Bob Waterman (​​Harper Business; Reprint edition 2006)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Excellence-Now-Humanism-Tom-Peters/dp/1944027947/">Excellence Now: Extreme Humanism</a> by Tom Peters (Networlding Publishing, March 2021)</li><li><a href="https://tompeters.com/writing/books/">Complete listing of Tom's books</a></li><li><a href="https://www.fastcompany.com/28905/brand-called-you">The Brand Called You</a> by Tom Peters (Fast Company, August 31 1997)</li><li><a href="https://tompeters.com/wp-content/themes/tpf6/bob-tom-excellent-adventure.0107.2022.pdf">Tom Peters remembers Bob Waterman</a> (who died Jan. 2, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://tompeters.com/cool-friends/weil-debbie/">Debbie's Cool Friends interview with Tom Peters</a> (2008)</li><li><a href="https://susansargent.com/">Susan Sargent</a> (married to Tom Peters and, coincidentally, Debbie's high school classmate)</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Eaton">Rebecca Eaton</a> - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masterpiece_(TV_series)">Masterpiece Theater</a></li><li><a href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9174558/">Dopesick (TV Mini Series 2021)</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Empire-Pain-History-Sackler-Dynasty/dp/0385545681">Empire of Pain: The Secret History of the Sackler Dynasty</a> by Patrick Radden Keefe (Doubleday; 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.mckinsey.com/">McKinsey & Co</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Firm-McKinsey-Influence-American-Business/dp/1439190984">The Firm: The Story of McKinsey and Its Secret Influence on American Business</a> by Duff McDonald (​​Simon & Schuster; Reprint edition 2014)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01JFYB12W/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i3">The Golden Passport: Harvard Business School, the Limits of Capitalism, and the Moral Failure of the MBA Elite</a> by Duff McDonald (Harper Business; Reprint edition 2017)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08THT1KDL/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i2">Tickled: A Commonsense Guide to the Present Moment</a> by Duff McDonald (Harper; 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/11/should-women-rule/307061/">Should Women Rule?</a> (The Atlantic, November 2008)</li><li><a href="https://www.compassionomics.com/">Compassionomics - The Website</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Compassionomics-Revolutionary-Scientific-Evidence-Difference/dp/1622181069">Compassionomics: The Revolutionary Scientific Evidence that Caring Makes a Difference</a> by Stephen Trzeciack and Anthony Mazzarelli (Studer Group; 2019)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Social-Psychology-Organizing-Topics/dp/0075548089">Amazon.com: The Social Psychology of Organizing</a> by Karl E. 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It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>We Are Looking For a Sponsor or a Podcasting Network</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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Although the pandemic may have changed that a bit.</p><p>In 2017 he received the <a href="https://thinkers50.com/biographies/tom-peters/">Thinkers50 Lifetime Achievement Award</a>. He also coined the term <strong>Personal Branding</strong>.</p><p>And he’s not stopping as he turns 80.</p><p>In this conversation, he reflects on why women should be leading; passion and outrage and why they are the most important quality in a good speaker; his love for research and data and the concept of compassionomics. </p><p>He also gets personal, opening up about his childhood and his mother's influence and reiterating why he is <strong>not done yet.</strong></p><p>He's as fanatical as ever (especially on the topic of women getting things done) and you’ll hear Debbie occasionally interrupting or <i>trying</i> to interrupt him in this conversation. Not something Debbie normally does but Tom's Director of Programs, <strong>Shelley Dolley</strong>, encouraged her to do so.</p><p>Debbie met Tom almost 15 years ago when he interviewed her for his <a href="https://tompeters.com/cool-friends/weil-debbie/">Cool Friends series</a>, shortly after her book (<a href="https://debbieweil.com/books/">The Corporate Blogging Book</a>) came out.</p><p>Coincidentally, he is married to a high school classmate of Debbie's, designer <strong>Susan Sargent</strong>.</p><p>His newest book, <strong>Excellence Now: Extreme Humanism</strong>, is more relevant than ever with its emphasis on creating a humane workplace. It's his eighteenth book and it may be his last, he tells Debbie. </p><p>Much of his written and speech material is available—free to download—at <a href="https://tompeters.com">tompeters.com</a> and <a href="https://excellencenow.com">excellencenow.com</a>.</p><p>Enjoy this spirited and wide-ranging conversation with a legendary thinker. </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://tompeters.com/">TomPeters.com</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/tom_peters">Tom Peters on Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Search-Excellence-Americas-Best-Run-Companies/dp/0060548789">In Search of Excellence: Lessons from America's Best-Run Companies</a> by Tom Peters and Bob Waterman (​​Harper Business; Reprint edition 2006)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Excellence-Now-Humanism-Tom-Peters/dp/1944027947/">Excellence Now: Extreme Humanism</a> by Tom Peters (Networlding Publishing, March 2021)</li><li><a href="https://tompeters.com/writing/books/">Complete listing of Tom's books</a></li><li><a href="https://www.fastcompany.com/28905/brand-called-you">The Brand Called You</a> by Tom Peters (Fast Company, August 31 1997)</li><li><a href="https://tompeters.com/wp-content/themes/tpf6/bob-tom-excellent-adventure.0107.2022.pdf">Tom Peters remembers Bob Waterman</a> (who died Jan. 2, 2022)</li><li><a href="https://tompeters.com/cool-friends/weil-debbie/">Debbie's Cool Friends interview with Tom Peters</a> (2008)</li><li><a href="https://susansargent.com/">Susan Sargent</a> (married to Tom Peters and, coincidentally, Debbie's high school classmate)</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Eaton">Rebecca Eaton</a> - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masterpiece_(TV_series)">Masterpiece Theater</a></li><li><a href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9174558/">Dopesick (TV Mini Series 2021)</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Empire-Pain-History-Sackler-Dynasty/dp/0385545681">Empire of Pain: The Secret History of the Sackler Dynasty</a> by Patrick Radden Keefe (Doubleday; 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.mckinsey.com/">McKinsey & Co</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Firm-McKinsey-Influence-American-Business/dp/1439190984">The Firm: The Story of McKinsey and Its Secret Influence on American Business</a> by Duff McDonald (​​Simon & Schuster; Reprint edition 2014)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01JFYB12W/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i3">The Golden Passport: Harvard Business School, the Limits of Capitalism, and the Moral Failure of the MBA Elite</a> by Duff McDonald (Harper Business; Reprint edition 2017)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08THT1KDL/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i2">Tickled: A Commonsense Guide to the Present Moment</a> by Duff McDonald (Harper; 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/11/should-women-rule/307061/">Should Women Rule?</a> (The Atlantic, November 2008)</li><li><a href="https://www.compassionomics.com/">Compassionomics - The Website</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Compassionomics-Revolutionary-Scientific-Evidence-Difference/dp/1622181069">Compassionomics: The Revolutionary Scientific Evidence that Caring Makes a Difference</a> by Stephen Trzeciack and Anthony Mazzarelli (Studer Group; 2019)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Social-Psychology-Organizing-Topics/dp/0075548089">Amazon.com: The Social Psychology of Organizing</a> by Karl E. Weick (McGraw-Hill Humanities/Social Sciences/Languages; 1979)</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Keneally">Thomas Keneally</a>, the Australian writer Tom has been enjoying recently</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Website: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">debbieweil.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thebolderpodcast@gmail.com">thebolderpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>We Are Looking For a Sponsor or a Podcasting Network</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p><i>This is the last episode before we take a podcasting break for the holidays. See you back here in January 2022!</i>  </p><p><i>And yes, we’re trying out a new name. The focus of the podcast has become broader than the topic of “taking a gap year.” So the new name is [<strong>B]OLDER: </strong>Making the most of growing older. </i></p><p>In other words, <strong>boldly</strong> reinventing life and work at midlife and beyond.</p><p> </p><p>Debbie is always on the lookout for guests who can lend a new perspective to the concept of <i>time</i> and our perception of how much of it we have. So when she read <strong>Oliver Burkeman’</strong>s new book, <i>Four Thousand Weeks: Time Management for Mortals</i>, she knew he had to come on the show. </p><p>Plus the book is terrific and it's getting lots of notice.</p><p>The first sentence is <strong>“The average human life span is absurdly, terrifyingly, insultingly short.”</strong> In other words, about 4,000 weeks.</p><p>Oliver is a British author and journalist who wrote a popular weekly column, <i>This Column Will Change Your Life,</i> for <i>The Guardian</i> for over a decade. He has reported from London, Washington and New York and recently moved with his wife and son from Brooklyn, NY back to Yorkshire in the UK to be near his family. </p><p>He has established himself as a tongue-in-cheek expert on productivity and time management and how that does - <i>or does not</i> - lead to happiness. </p><p>He sums up his new book very nicely in his Twitter profile: explaining that 4,000 Weeks is about embracing limitation and finally getting round to what matters. </p><p>As he's 46, he's only lived about 2,400 of those 4,000 weeks himself but he tells Debbie in this episode  that he may be getting closer to a better relationship with time.</p><p>Debbie and Oliver talk about time and self-worth, why we are so future-oriented, the connection between time and happiness, and why it might be okay that we use social media as a distraction. </p><p>Oliver is a contrarian thinker but he's truly interested in how to build a meaningful life. Debbie had a number of aha moments in this conversation and listeners will too!</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.oliverburkeman.com/">Oliver Burkeman's website</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/oliverburkeman?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor">@oliverburkeman</a> on Twitter</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Four-Thousand-Weeks-Management-Mortals/dp/0374159122">Four Thousand Weeks: Time Management for Mortals</a> by Oliver Burkeman (Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Antidote-Happiness-People-Positive-Thinking/dp/0865478015">The Antidote: Happiness for People Who Can't Stand Positive Thinking</a> by Oliver Burkeman (Farrar, Straus and Giroux; Reprint edition, 2013)</li><li><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/series/thiscolumnwillchangeyourlife">This Column Will Change Your Life</a> (The Guardian, 2006 - 2020)</li><li><a href="http://eepurl.com/hQV3z9">The antidote to the time anxiety that savages our lives</a> (review of 4,000 Weeks in The Marginalian, Dec. 26, 2021)</li></ul><p><strong>References:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://jungiancenter.org/jung-on-the-provisional-life/">Jung on the Provisional Life</a> (Jungian Center for the Spiritual Sciences)</li><li><a href="https://www.jungiananalystvt.com/AboutMarieLouisevonFranz.en.html">Who is Marie-Louise von Franz?</a> (David C. Hamilton, Jungian Psychoanalyst, IAAP)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Flow-Psychology-Experience-Perennial-Classics/dp/0061339202">Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Experience</a> by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi (Harper Perennial Modern Classics, 2008)</li><li><a href="https://positivepsychology.com/what-is-flow/">What is Flow in Psychology?</a> (PositivePsychology.com, November 25 2021)</li><li><a href="https://thefourwinds.com/blog/shamanism/understanding-nonlinear-time/">Understanding Nonlinear Time</a> (The Four Winds, November 27 2018)</li><li><a href="https://www.mckinleyvalentine.com/post/chronos-vs-kairos-understanding-how-the-ancient-greeks-viewed-time-will-make-your-life-richer">Chronos vs Kairos: How Ancient Greeks Saw Time</a> (McKinley Valentine, November 3 2020)</li><li><a href="https://medium.com/swlh/telic-vs-atelic-activities-and-the-meaning-of-life-abf5ac035599">Telic vs atelic activities, and the meaning of life</a> (Philosophy as a Way of Life, September 27 2019)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Midlife-Philosophical-Guide-Kieran-Setiya/dp/0691173931">Midlife: A Philosophical Guide</a> by Kieran Setiya (Princeton University Press, 2017)</li><li><a href="http://www.ksetiya.net/">Kieran Setiya</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>We Are Looking For a Sponsor or Podcast Network</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <author>wordbiz@gmail.com (Debbie Weil, Oliver Burkeman)</author>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>This is the last episode before we take a podcasting break for the holidays. See you back here in January 2022!</i>  </p><p><i>And yes, we’re trying out a new name. The focus of the podcast has become broader than the topic of “taking a gap year.” So the new name is [<strong>B]OLDER: </strong>Making the most of growing older. </i></p><p>In other words, <strong>boldly</strong> reinventing life and work at midlife and beyond.</p><p> </p><p>Debbie is always on the lookout for guests who can lend a new perspective to the concept of <i>time</i> and our perception of how much of it we have. So when she read <strong>Oliver Burkeman’</strong>s new book, <i>Four Thousand Weeks: Time Management for Mortals</i>, she knew he had to come on the show. </p><p>Plus the book is terrific and it's getting lots of notice.</p><p>The first sentence is <strong>“The average human life span is absurdly, terrifyingly, insultingly short.”</strong> In other words, about 4,000 weeks.</p><p>Oliver is a British author and journalist who wrote a popular weekly column, <i>This Column Will Change Your Life,</i> for <i>The Guardian</i> for over a decade. He has reported from London, Washington and New York and recently moved with his wife and son from Brooklyn, NY back to Yorkshire in the UK to be near his family. </p><p>He has established himself as a tongue-in-cheek expert on productivity and time management and how that does - <i>or does not</i> - lead to happiness. </p><p>He sums up his new book very nicely in his Twitter profile: explaining that 4,000 Weeks is about embracing limitation and finally getting round to what matters. </p><p>As he's 46, he's only lived about 2,400 of those 4,000 weeks himself but he tells Debbie in this episode  that he may be getting closer to a better relationship with time.</p><p>Debbie and Oliver talk about time and self-worth, why we are so future-oriented, the connection between time and happiness, and why it might be okay that we use social media as a distraction. </p><p>Oliver is a contrarian thinker but he's truly interested in how to build a meaningful life. Debbie had a number of aha moments in this conversation and listeners will too!</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.oliverburkeman.com/">Oliver Burkeman's website</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/oliverburkeman?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor">@oliverburkeman</a> on Twitter</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Four-Thousand-Weeks-Management-Mortals/dp/0374159122">Four Thousand Weeks: Time Management for Mortals</a> by Oliver Burkeman (Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Antidote-Happiness-People-Positive-Thinking/dp/0865478015">The Antidote: Happiness for People Who Can't Stand Positive Thinking</a> by Oliver Burkeman (Farrar, Straus and Giroux; Reprint edition, 2013)</li><li><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/series/thiscolumnwillchangeyourlife">This Column Will Change Your Life</a> (The Guardian, 2006 - 2020)</li><li><a href="http://eepurl.com/hQV3z9">The antidote to the time anxiety that savages our lives</a> (review of 4,000 Weeks in The Marginalian, Dec. 26, 2021)</li></ul><p><strong>References:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://jungiancenter.org/jung-on-the-provisional-life/">Jung on the Provisional Life</a> (Jungian Center for the Spiritual Sciences)</li><li><a href="https://www.jungiananalystvt.com/AboutMarieLouisevonFranz.en.html">Who is Marie-Louise von Franz?</a> (David C. Hamilton, Jungian Psychoanalyst, IAAP)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Flow-Psychology-Experience-Perennial-Classics/dp/0061339202">Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Experience</a> by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi (Harper Perennial Modern Classics, 2008)</li><li><a href="https://positivepsychology.com/what-is-flow/">What is Flow in Psychology?</a> (PositivePsychology.com, November 25 2021)</li><li><a href="https://thefourwinds.com/blog/shamanism/understanding-nonlinear-time/">Understanding Nonlinear Time</a> (The Four Winds, November 27 2018)</li><li><a href="https://www.mckinleyvalentine.com/post/chronos-vs-kairos-understanding-how-the-ancient-greeks-viewed-time-will-make-your-life-richer">Chronos vs Kairos: How Ancient Greeks Saw Time</a> (McKinley Valentine, November 3 2020)</li><li><a href="https://medium.com/swlh/telic-vs-atelic-activities-and-the-meaning-of-life-abf5ac035599">Telic vs atelic activities, and the meaning of life</a> (Philosophy as a Way of Life, September 27 2019)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Midlife-Philosophical-Guide-Kieran-Setiya/dp/0691173931">Midlife: A Philosophical Guide</a> by Kieran Setiya (Princeton University Press, 2017)</li><li><a href="http://www.ksetiya.net/">Kieran Setiya</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>We Are Looking For a Sponsor or Podcast Network</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <title>Debbie &amp; Sam on Entering the Land of the Old</title>
      <description><![CDATA[<p>Yup, it's Debbie's 70th birthday today.</p><p>She's been chewing this milestone over for months, knowing that turning 70 means entering <i>the land of the old.</i></p><p>Time is running out so fast. How many more good years does she have left before entering the land of the <i>old, old?</i> Realistically, at 70, she's got 10 to 15 good years of active living left. A sobering thought.</p><p>She invites her husband Sam back on the show to talk about their bucket lists for this eighth decade. She and Sam both turned 70 this year. They share some of their projects for the coming decade, from getting a puppy (Debbie's idea, so far not shared by Sam), to traveling again (they hope), to how they plan to deal with their own <i>old, old age</i>. </p><p>They also discuss the idea of being challenged and the difference between challenges and accomplishments.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/At-Peace-Choosing-Death-After/dp/1478917415">At Peace: Choosing a Good Death After a Long Life</a> by Samuel Harrington MD (Grand Central Life & Style 2018)</li><li>Debbie and Sam’s blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li><a href="https://islandnursinghome.org/">Island Nursing Home </a>on Deer Isle, ME</li><li><a href="https://goop.com/">goop</a> (a modern lifestyle brand)</li><li><a href="https://www.pieceofcakeinc.com/">Piece of Cake</a> (Debbie's cousin's company: the best iced cakes!)</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9union">La  Réunion </a>(island in the Indian Ocean)</li><li><a href="https://www.ic.org/what-is-an-intentional-community-30th-birthday-day-13/">Definition of an intentional community </a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Related episodes:</strong></p><ul><li>S4-EP4: <a href="https://gapyearforgrownups.simplecast.com/episodes/skylar-skikos">Aging Options: Skylar Skikos on Intergenerational and Regenerative Communities</a></li><li>S3-EP24: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep24-steven-petrow-on-the-stupid-things-he-wont-do-when-he-gets-old/">Steven Petrow on the Stupid Things He Won't Do When He Gets Old</a></li><li>S3-EP25: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep25-debbie-weil-on-turning-70-mortality-and-making-the-most-of-growing-older/">Debbie Weil on Turning 70, Mortality, and Making the Most of Growing Older</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Previous episodes featuring host Debbie Weil and her husband Sam Harrington:</strong></p><ul><li>S3-EP22: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep22-debbie-sam-on-getting-calm-and-centered-in-baja/">Debbie & Sam on Getting Calm and Centered in Baja</a></li><li>S3-EP16: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep16-debbie-sam-on-fasting-for-five-days/">Debbie & Sam on Fasting For Five Days and Why They Were Crazy Enough to Do It</a></li><li>S2-EP24: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep24-debbie-sam-on-the-gap-year-for-everyone-silver-linings-not-shoulding-and-season-3/">Debbie & Sam on the Gap Year For Everyone, Silver Linings, and Not Should'ing</a></li><li>S2-EP18: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep18-debbie-sam-on-the-new-normal-quarantines-immunity-passports-and-masks-gloves/">Debbie & Sam on the New Normal, Quarantines, Immunity Passports, and Masks & Gloves</a></li><li>S2-EP12: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep12-debbie-sam-on-the-coronavirus-magical-thinking-and-aging/">Debbie & Sam on the Coronavirus, Magical Thinking, and Aging</a></li><li>S1-EP10: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-10-our-bucket-list-debbie-and-sam-live-in-france/">On Debbie & Sam's Bucket List: Living in France</a></li><li>S1-EP2: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-2-deciding-to-take-a-gap-year-at-62/">Debbie & Sam on How They Decided to Take a Gap Year at Age 62</a></li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>We Are Looking For a Sponsor</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits</strong>:</p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Music:</strong></p><p><a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></p>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 11 Dec 2021 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>wordbiz@gmail.com (Debbie Weil, Sam Harrington)</author>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, it's Debbie's 70th birthday today.</p><p>She's been chewing this milestone over for months, knowing that turning 70 means entering <i>the land of the old.</i></p><p>Time is running out so fast. How many more good years does she have left before entering the land of the <i>old, old?</i> Realistically, at 70, she's got 10 to 15 good years of active living left. A sobering thought.</p><p>She invites her husband Sam back on the show to talk about their bucket lists for this eighth decade. She and Sam both turned 70 this year. They share some of their projects for the coming decade, from getting a puppy (Debbie's idea, so far not shared by Sam), to traveling again (they hope), to how they plan to deal with their own <i>old, old age</i>. </p><p>They also discuss the idea of being challenged and the difference between challenges and accomplishments.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/At-Peace-Choosing-Death-After/dp/1478917415">At Peace: Choosing a Good Death After a Long Life</a> by Samuel Harrington MD (Grand Central Life & Style 2018)</li><li>Debbie and Sam’s blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li><a href="https://islandnursinghome.org/">Island Nursing Home </a>on Deer Isle, ME</li><li><a href="https://goop.com/">goop</a> (a modern lifestyle brand)</li><li><a href="https://www.pieceofcakeinc.com/">Piece of Cake</a> (Debbie's cousin's company: the best iced cakes!)</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9union">La  Réunion </a>(island in the Indian Ocean)</li><li><a href="https://www.ic.org/what-is-an-intentional-community-30th-birthday-day-13/">Definition of an intentional community </a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Related episodes:</strong></p><ul><li>S4-EP4: <a href="https://gapyearforgrownups.simplecast.com/episodes/skylar-skikos">Aging Options: Skylar Skikos on Intergenerational and Regenerative Communities</a></li><li>S3-EP24: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep24-steven-petrow-on-the-stupid-things-he-wont-do-when-he-gets-old/">Steven Petrow on the Stupid Things He Won't Do When He Gets Old</a></li><li>S3-EP25: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep25-debbie-weil-on-turning-70-mortality-and-making-the-most-of-growing-older/">Debbie Weil on Turning 70, Mortality, and Making the Most of Growing Older</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Previous episodes featuring host Debbie Weil and her husband Sam Harrington:</strong></p><ul><li>S3-EP22: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep22-debbie-sam-on-getting-calm-and-centered-in-baja/">Debbie & Sam on Getting Calm and Centered in Baja</a></li><li>S3-EP16: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep16-debbie-sam-on-fasting-for-five-days/">Debbie & Sam on Fasting For Five Days and Why They Were Crazy Enough to Do It</a></li><li>S2-EP24: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep24-debbie-sam-on-the-gap-year-for-everyone-silver-linings-not-shoulding-and-season-3/">Debbie & Sam on the Gap Year For Everyone, Silver Linings, and Not Should'ing</a></li><li>S2-EP18: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep18-debbie-sam-on-the-new-normal-quarantines-immunity-passports-and-masks-gloves/">Debbie & Sam on the New Normal, Quarantines, Immunity Passports, and Masks & Gloves</a></li><li>S2-EP12: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep12-debbie-sam-on-the-coronavirus-magical-thinking-and-aging/">Debbie & Sam on the Coronavirus, Magical Thinking, and Aging</a></li><li>S1-EP10: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-10-our-bucket-list-debbie-and-sam-live-in-france/">On Debbie & Sam's Bucket List: Living in France</a></li><li>S1-EP2: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-2-deciding-to-take-a-gap-year-at-62/">Debbie & Sam on How They Decided to Take a Gap Year at Age 62</a></li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>We Are Looking For a Sponsor</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits</strong>:</p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Music:</strong></p><p><a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></p>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie brings her producer Julie-Roxane back on the show. Or rather, the opposite. </p><p>Julie-Roxane takes control of the mic to interview Debbie about her experiences of reinventing her life, starting at age 14 and continuing up to the present as she turns 70. Together they explore what life reinvention really means and how it works.</p><p>It's not that Debbie is a perfect model for life reinvention. Rather, what emerges in their conversation is a surprising life pattern. <br /><br /><i>Why would a shy teen embrace an adventure in another country? </i><br /><br /><i>What makes someone radically change course in a career?</i><br /><br /><i>What does personality type have to do with a propensity for reinvention?</i></p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003B654MO/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0">The Corporate Blogging Book</a> by Debbie Weil (Penguin Portfolio, 2006)</li><li>Season 2, Episode 6: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep6-debbies-story-connecting-the-dots-backward/">Debbie’s Story: What Happens When You Connect the Dots Backward</a></li><li>Season  3, Episode 20: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep20-jeff-hamaoui-on-changing-mindsets-and-navigating-the-messy-middle-of-transitions/">Jeff Hamaoui on Navigating the Messy Middle of Transitions</a></li><li>Season 3, Episode 25: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep25-debbie-weil-on-turning-70-mortality-and-making-the-most-of-growing-older/">Debbie Weil on Turning 70, Mortality, and Making the Most of Growing Older</a></li><li>Julie-Roxane’s podcast with her husband: <a href="https://thefarout.life/podcast/148/">FAR OUT #148 ~ Going our Separate Ways</a></li><li><a href="https://www.deseret.com/1992/3/15/18973003/marriage-needs-tending-just-like-a-base-camp">Marriage needs tending just like a base camp</a> (Deseret News, March 15, 1992)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Road-Less-Traveled-Timeless-Traditional/dp/0743243153">The Road Less Traveled, Timeless Edition: A New Psychology of Love, Traditional Values and Spiritual Growth</a> by M. Scott Peck (Anniversary Edition, Touchstone, 2003)</li><li><a href="https://www.networksolutions.com/">Network Solutions</a> (home of Debbie's brief corporate career)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>We Are Looking For a Sponsor</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Music:</strong></p><p><a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></p>
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She wants to run screaming when she sees glossy ads for age 55+ retirement communities like The Villages in Florida because... who wants to live only with old people where the focus is solely on recreation and having fun?</p><p>This episode is her first attempt to start unpacking the topic of where and how older people can live where they can be part of a mixed-age community, still contributing and living productively, and avoid the loneliness and isolation that many of us associate with retirement communities. </p><p>Debbie and Skylar talk about several alternatives. One is intergenerational housing that mixes age groups. A number of intergenerational developments are underway right now in different parts of the U.S. They also talk about something called Regenerative Communities, a concept being pioneered by MEA. </p><p>Skylar joined MEA to help them develop a collection of Regenerative Communities, each of which will include mixed-age residents, a midlife wisdom school where you explore how to grow and thrive in the latter stages of life, and a surrounding regenerative farm. </p><p>The first Regenerative Community being developed in the U.S. is outside Sante Fe, NM. Debbie and Sam are so intrigued with this concept and are hoping that MEA will turn its sights towards the East Coast, which is closer to home and family for them.</p><p> </p><p><strong>MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE OR USEFUL:</strong></p><p> </p><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/skylarskikos">Skylar Skikos</a> on LinkedIn</p><p><a href="https://wisdomwell.modernelderacademy.com/navigating-the-youth-midlife-divide-musings-approaching-a-40th-birthday">Navigating the Youth-Midlife Divide: Musings Approaching a 40th Birthday</a> by Skylar Skikos (Wisdom Well, Nov. 2, 2021)</p><p><a href="https://www.modernelderacademy.com/">Modern Elder Academy</a></p><p><a href="https://regen.modernelderacademy.com/">MEA | Regenerative Communities</a></p><p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/02/style/housing-elderly-intergenerational-living.html?">Don't Mind the Gap in Intergenerational Housing</a> by Karrie Jacobs (New York Times, Sept. 2, 2021)</p><p><a href="https://srgserv.com/industry/cantinacommunities/">New Model of Active  Adult Senior Living Is Coming to the Austin Area  (Cantina)</a></p><p><a href="https://livecantina.com/about-us/">Cantina Community</a></p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Right-Place-Time-Ultimate-Choosing/dp/1421442302">Right Place, Right Time: The Ultimate Guide to Choosing a Home for the Second Half of Life</a> by Ryan Frederick (‎Johns Hopkins University Press 2021)</p><p><a href="https://www.thevillages.com/">The Villages</a> (Your Retirement Adventure Starts Here)</p><p>Public philosopher <a href="https://www.tomvmorris.com/">Tom Morris</a></p><p><a href="https://serenbe.com/">Serenbe</a> (a wellness community near Atlanta)</p><p> </p><p><strong>NOTE FROM DEBBIE</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>We Are Looking For a Sponsor</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>MEDIA PARTNERS</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>SUPPORT THIS PODCAST</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>CREDITS</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2021 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>wordbiz@gmail.com (Debbie Weil, Skylar Skikos)</author>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things Debbie is starting to think about is where and how she and her husband Sam might want to live as they get older - a <i>lot older</i> than their current 70. Like many Boomers, they are repelled by the idea of a retirement community.</p><p>This week on the podcast she turns to Skylar Skikos to learn about new options. Skylar, 40, is a philosopher at heart and a financier by trade. He’s a real estate developer and investor who specializes in hospitality and senior care and he’s Chief Development Officer of Modern Elder Academy in Baja, MX. </p><p>You've heard Debbie talk before about MEA, the world's first midlife wisdom school. Skylar is fascinated with how to create places that help people flourish, particularly as they age. He thinks there’s something missing from age-segregated communities and Debbie couldn’t agree more. She wants to run screaming when she sees glossy ads for age 55+ retirement communities like The Villages in Florida because... who wants to live only with old people where the focus is solely on recreation and having fun?</p><p>This episode is her first attempt to start unpacking the topic of where and how older people can live where they can be part of a mixed-age community, still contributing and living productively, and avoid the loneliness and isolation that many of us associate with retirement communities. </p><p>Debbie and Skylar talk about several alternatives. One is intergenerational housing that mixes age groups. A number of intergenerational developments are underway right now in different parts of the U.S. They also talk about something called Regenerative Communities, a concept being pioneered by MEA. </p><p>Skylar joined MEA to help them develop a collection of Regenerative Communities, each of which will include mixed-age residents, a midlife wisdom school where you explore how to grow and thrive in the latter stages of life, and a surrounding regenerative farm. </p><p>The first Regenerative Community being developed in the U.S. is outside Sante Fe, NM. Debbie and Sam are so intrigued with this concept and are hoping that MEA will turn its sights towards the East Coast, which is closer to home and family for them.</p><p> </p><p><strong>MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE OR USEFUL:</strong></p><p> </p><p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/skylarskikos">Skylar Skikos</a> on LinkedIn</p><p><a href="https://wisdomwell.modernelderacademy.com/navigating-the-youth-midlife-divide-musings-approaching-a-40th-birthday">Navigating the Youth-Midlife Divide: Musings Approaching a 40th Birthday</a> by Skylar Skikos (Wisdom Well, Nov. 2, 2021)</p><p><a href="https://www.modernelderacademy.com/">Modern Elder Academy</a></p><p><a href="https://regen.modernelderacademy.com/">MEA | Regenerative Communities</a></p><p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/02/style/housing-elderly-intergenerational-living.html?">Don't Mind the Gap in Intergenerational Housing</a> by Karrie Jacobs (New York Times, Sept. 2, 2021)</p><p><a href="https://srgserv.com/industry/cantinacommunities/">New Model of Active  Adult Senior Living Is Coming to the Austin Area  (Cantina)</a></p><p><a href="https://livecantina.com/about-us/">Cantina Community</a></p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Right-Place-Time-Ultimate-Choosing/dp/1421442302">Right Place, Right Time: The Ultimate Guide to Choosing a Home for the Second Half of Life</a> by Ryan Frederick (‎Johns Hopkins University Press 2021)</p><p><a href="https://www.thevillages.com/">The Villages</a> (Your Retirement Adventure Starts Here)</p><p>Public philosopher <a href="https://www.tomvmorris.com/">Tom Morris</a></p><p><a href="https://serenbe.com/">Serenbe</a> (a wellness community near Atlanta)</p><p> </p><p><strong>NOTE FROM DEBBIE</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>We Are Looking For a Sponsor</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>MEDIA PARTNERS</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>SUPPORT THIS PODCAST</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>CREDITS</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <title>Richard Leider on Living Your Purpose Rather Than &quot;Finding&quot; It</title>
      <description><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie talks with Richard Leider about aging with purpose, the fallacy of "finding" your purpose, and how to practice daily.</p><p> Richard is considered a pioneer of the global purpose movement. Yes, the "purpose movement" is a thing. The topic of  finding meaning and purpose has come up repeatedly on this podcast.  It's key to a life well-lived, we’ve been told. But how DO you live a life of purpose? Are there any shortcuts or secrets? That’s what Debbie wanted to find out from Richard.</p><p>Richard Leider is the author of 11 books, many of which have been bestsellers, and recently co-authored the book "Who Do You Want to Be When You Grow Old? The Path of Purposeful Aging." He's very much on the right path for himself. At 77, he’s working, writing, and still, happily, honing his own purpose. </p><p>Together, they talk about the idea of purpose in elder hood, and why it is crucial to longevity. They discuss purpose as a <i>verb</i>: it’s not something you <i>find</i> but it’s something you “do” via purposeful living. Richard shares his story of a profound encounter with author and Holocaust survivor Viktor Frankl in 1968 and how that unlocked his lifelong fascination with purpose.</p><p>They also get into what he calls in his book the Ultimate Conversation - the one about death that you should have with your family but also with yourself. </p><p>And Richard shares what he does everyday to practice being purposeful. This might be the secret, if there is one. This is a great conversation with a man who is truly living what he talks and writes about.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Who-You-Want-When-Grow/dp/1523092459/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2219S1V5AD7R7&dchild=1&keywords=richard+leider&qid=1635400877&s=books&sprefix=richard+leider%2Cstripbooks%2C183&sr=1-1">Who Do You Want to Be When You Grow Old?: The Path of Purposeful Aging</a> by Richard Leider and David Shapiro (Berrett-Koehler Publishers 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Repacking-Your-Bags-Lighten-Load/dp/1609945492/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2219S1V5AD7R7&dchild=1&keywords=richard+leider&qid=1635400877&s=books&sprefix=richard+leider%2Cstripbooks%2C183&sr=1-3">Repacking Your Bags: Lighten Your Load for the Good Life</a> by Richard Leider and David Shapiro (‎ Berrett-Koehler Publishers 2012)</li><li><a href="https://www.globalpurposemovement.org/">Global Purpose Movement </a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Mans-Search-Meaning-Viktor-Frankl/dp/0807014273/ref=sr_1_1?crid=25ST709QVW2LO&dchild=1&keywords=man%27s+search+for+meaning&qid=1635400736&s=books&sprefix=man%27s+sea%2Cstripbooks%2C229&sr=1-1">Man's Search for Meaning</a> by Viktor Frankl (Beacon Press 2006)</li><li><a href="https://couragerenewal.org/wpccr/parker/">Parker J. Palmer</a></li><li><a href="https://gratefulness.org/resource/the-way-it-is-william-stafford/">The Way It Is</a> by William Stafford</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Passages-Predictable-Crises-Adult-Life/dp/0553271067">Passages: Predictable Crises of Adult Life</a> by Gail Sheehy (Bantam 1977)</li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>We Are Looking For a Sponsor</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners,<a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/"> contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 5 Nov 2021 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>wordbiz@gmail.com (Debbie Weil, Richard Leider)</author>
      <link>https://debbieweil.com/podcast</link>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie talks with Richard Leider about aging with purpose, the fallacy of "finding" your purpose, and how to practice daily.</p><p> Richard is considered a pioneer of the global purpose movement. Yes, the "purpose movement" is a thing. The topic of  finding meaning and purpose has come up repeatedly on this podcast.  It's key to a life well-lived, we’ve been told. But how DO you live a life of purpose? Are there any shortcuts or secrets? That’s what Debbie wanted to find out from Richard.</p><p>Richard Leider is the author of 11 books, many of which have been bestsellers, and recently co-authored the book "Who Do You Want to Be When You Grow Old? The Path of Purposeful Aging." He's very much on the right path for himself. At 77, he’s working, writing, and still, happily, honing his own purpose. </p><p>Together, they talk about the idea of purpose in elder hood, and why it is crucial to longevity. They discuss purpose as a <i>verb</i>: it’s not something you <i>find</i> but it’s something you “do” via purposeful living. Richard shares his story of a profound encounter with author and Holocaust survivor Viktor Frankl in 1968 and how that unlocked his lifelong fascination with purpose.</p><p>They also get into what he calls in his book the Ultimate Conversation - the one about death that you should have with your family but also with yourself. </p><p>And Richard shares what he does everyday to practice being purposeful. This might be the secret, if there is one. This is a great conversation with a man who is truly living what he talks and writes about.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Who-You-Want-When-Grow/dp/1523092459/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2219S1V5AD7R7&dchild=1&keywords=richard+leider&qid=1635400877&s=books&sprefix=richard+leider%2Cstripbooks%2C183&sr=1-1">Who Do You Want to Be When You Grow Old?: The Path of Purposeful Aging</a> by Richard Leider and David Shapiro (Berrett-Koehler Publishers 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Repacking-Your-Bags-Lighten-Load/dp/1609945492/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2219S1V5AD7R7&dchild=1&keywords=richard+leider&qid=1635400877&s=books&sprefix=richard+leider%2Cstripbooks%2C183&sr=1-3">Repacking Your Bags: Lighten Your Load for the Good Life</a> by Richard Leider and David Shapiro (‎ Berrett-Koehler Publishers 2012)</li><li><a href="https://www.globalpurposemovement.org/">Global Purpose Movement </a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Mans-Search-Meaning-Viktor-Frankl/dp/0807014273/ref=sr_1_1?crid=25ST709QVW2LO&dchild=1&keywords=man%27s+search+for+meaning&qid=1635400736&s=books&sprefix=man%27s+sea%2Cstripbooks%2C229&sr=1-1">Man's Search for Meaning</a> by Viktor Frankl (Beacon Press 2006)</li><li><a href="https://couragerenewal.org/wpccr/parker/">Parker J. Palmer</a></li><li><a href="https://gratefulness.org/resource/the-way-it-is-william-stafford/">The Way It Is</a> by William Stafford</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Passages-Predictable-Crises-Adult-Life/dp/0553271067">Passages: Predictable Crises of Adult Life</a> by Gail Sheehy (Bantam 1977)</li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>We Are Looking For a Sponsor</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners,<a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/"> contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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But Emily doesn’t really answer because it turns out it was the wrong question.</p><p>Instead she speaks eloquently about how much energy she’s put into fighting for life (she calls it putting on her "game face" despite how horrific the chemotherapy was) and how vulnerable she now feels and how that has changed her.</p><p>She also talks about how she'll never be "okay" again, meaning that things won't ever really return to the way they were before her cancer diagnosis. And she compares it to our collective wish to go back to the pre-pandemic "normal" of 2019 and how that probably won't happen.</p><p>Tune in to a powerful episode to hear Emily’s lilting voice and positive take on her experience.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Braving-Chemo-Expect-Prepare-Through/dp/1733456503">Braving Chemo: What to Expect, How to Prepare and How to Get Through It</a> by Beverly A. 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Who locked you out. Who kissed my eyes</p><p>then pulled my hair and left me for a boy.</p><p>The girl who bit my upper, inner thigh.</p><p>My raspy laugh when I first heard your voice</p><p>toasting through broken kisses sloppy drunk:</p><p><i>To women! To abundance! To enough!</i></p><p> </p><p><i>Published in the print edition of the</i> <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/04/14"><i>April 14, 2008</i></a> <i>New Yorker. Reprinted with permission.</i></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter for the inside story about each episode of the podcast and to get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p>Connect with me:</p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>We Are Looking For a Sponsor</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li><li>Emily Moore photo credit: <strong>Allison Stock</strong></li></ul>
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But Emily doesn’t really answer because it turns out it was the wrong question.</p><p>Instead she speaks eloquently about how much energy she’s put into fighting for life (she calls it putting on her "game face" despite how horrific the chemotherapy was) and how vulnerable she now feels and how that has changed her.</p><p>She also talks about how she'll never be "okay" again, meaning that things won't ever really return to the way they were before her cancer diagnosis. And she compares it to our collective wish to go back to the pre-pandemic "normal" of 2019 and how that probably won't happen.</p><p>Tune in to a powerful episode to hear Emily’s lilting voice and positive take on her experience.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Braving-Chemo-Expect-Prepare-Through/dp/1733456503">Braving Chemo: What to Expect, How to Prepare and How to Get Through It</a> by Beverly A. 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It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter for the inside story about each episode of the podcast and to get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p>Connect with me:</p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>We Are Looking For a Sponsor</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li><li>Emily Moore photo credit: <strong>Allison Stock</strong></li></ul>
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She now teaches at Duke and Columbia’s business schools and consults with clients like Google and Microsoft and the World Bank.</p><p>But - and this is the part that applies to midlife reinvention - it took repeated rejection along the way for her to get to where she is today. She tells us those stories and more in <strong>THE LONG GAME.</strong> Her new book is aimed at a mid-career business audience but Debbie was struck over and over, as she read it, how Dorie's approach applies to life and work after 60 or 70.</p><p>Dorie is also a documentary filmmaker, a Broadway investor, and a trained musical theatre lyricist and composer.</p><p>She writes in THE LONG GAME about creating <strong>white space</strong> in your calendar, meaning give yourself unstructured time to think “differently” and to explore and experiment. She also talks about <strong>optimizing for meaning</strong> (instead of for money, usually the default) and <strong>optimizing for interesting</strong>: follow your curiosity even if you don’t know exactly where that will take you. </p><p>Wow, she could be writing a script for a grown-up gap year and for optimizing a post-career, non-retired chapter of life - the focus of this podcast.</p><p>Needless to say, Dorie is also a huge proponent of trying new things even if they are way outside your current area of expertise.</p><p>This is a great conversation full of useful nuggets about how to think long-term and why that matters.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li>Dorie’s <a href="https://dorieclark.com/about/">bio</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Long-Game-Long-Term-Thinker-Short-Term/dp/164782057X/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&qid=1615061320&refinements=p_27:Dorie+Clark&s=books&sr=1-1">The Long Game: How to Be a Long-Term Thinker in a Short-Term World</a> by Dorie Clark (‎ Harvard Business Review Press 2021)</li><li><a href="https://dorieclark.com/thelonggame/">The Long Game Self-Assessment</a></li><li><a href="https://thinkers50.com/">Thinkers50</a></li><li>Dorie’s <a href="https://dorieclark.com/books/">other books:</a> <i>Entrepreneurial You</i>, <i>Reinventing You</i>, and <i>Stand Out</i></li><li>Dorie’s most popular course: <a href="https://learn.dorieclark.com/courses/expert">Recognized Expert</a></li><li><a href="https://marshallgoldsmith.com/">Marshall Goldsmith</a> and <a href="https://marshallgoldsmith.com/books/">his books</a></li><li>Sam Horn's <a href="https://samhorn.com/tag/year-by-the-water/">Year by the Water</a></li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p>Connect with me:</p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>We Are Looking For a Sponsor</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li><li><strong>Photo credit:</strong> Mark Thompson</li></ul>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 8 Oct 2021 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome back to the [B]OLDER podcast (formerly The Gap Year Podcast).</p><p>Today, Debbie Weil brings author, entrepreneur, and renowned business thinker <strong>Dorie Clark</strong> on the show, a perfect way to kick off Season 4.</p><p>Dorie is a 42-year-old business consultant whose life and work resonate strongly with Debbie.  She was a Philosophy major in college, graduated from Harvard Divinity school, worked as a journalist (something Debbie did for two decades) and was a presidential campaign spokesperson. </p><p>Then, in a very intentional way, over a period of eleven years, she became a highly respected business author and speaker. Dorie is on the <strong>Thinkers50</strong> list, the top 50 business thinkers in the world, and has just published her fourth book: <strong>THE LONG GAME: HOW TO BE A LONG-TERM THINKER IN A SHORT-TERM WORLD</strong>. She now teaches at Duke and Columbia’s business schools and consults with clients like Google and Microsoft and the World Bank.</p><p>But - and this is the part that applies to midlife reinvention - it took repeated rejection along the way for her to get to where she is today. She tells us those stories and more in <strong>THE LONG GAME.</strong> Her new book is aimed at a mid-career business audience but Debbie was struck over and over, as she read it, how Dorie's approach applies to life and work after 60 or 70.</p><p>Dorie is also a documentary filmmaker, a Broadway investor, and a trained musical theatre lyricist and composer.</p><p>She writes in THE LONG GAME about creating <strong>white space</strong> in your calendar, meaning give yourself unstructured time to think “differently” and to explore and experiment. She also talks about <strong>optimizing for meaning</strong> (instead of for money, usually the default) and <strong>optimizing for interesting</strong>: follow your curiosity even if you don’t know exactly where that will take you. </p><p>Wow, she could be writing a script for a grown-up gap year and for optimizing a post-career, non-retired chapter of life - the focus of this podcast.</p><p>Needless to say, Dorie is also a huge proponent of trying new things even if they are way outside your current area of expertise.</p><p>This is a great conversation full of useful nuggets about how to think long-term and why that matters.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li>Dorie’s <a href="https://dorieclark.com/about/">bio</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Long-Game-Long-Term-Thinker-Short-Term/dp/164782057X/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&qid=1615061320&refinements=p_27:Dorie+Clark&s=books&sr=1-1">The Long Game: How to Be a Long-Term Thinker in a Short-Term World</a> by Dorie Clark (‎ Harvard Business Review Press 2021)</li><li><a href="https://dorieclark.com/thelonggame/">The Long Game Self-Assessment</a></li><li><a href="https://thinkers50.com/">Thinkers50</a></li><li>Dorie’s <a href="https://dorieclark.com/books/">other books:</a> <i>Entrepreneurial You</i>, <i>Reinventing You</i>, and <i>Stand Out</i></li><li>Dorie’s most popular course: <a href="https://learn.dorieclark.com/courses/expert">Recognized Expert</a></li><li><a href="https://marshallgoldsmith.com/">Marshall Goldsmith</a> and <a href="https://marshallgoldsmith.com/books/">his books</a></li><li>Sam Horn's <a href="https://samhorn.com/tag/year-by-the-water/">Year by the Water</a></li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>If you've been enjoying the podcast, please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than two minutes and it really makes a difference. It makes me feel loved and it also attracts new listeners.</p><p>Subscribe to my newsletter and get my free writing guide: <a href="https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide">https://bitly.com/debbie-free-guide</a>.</p><p>Connect with me:</p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>We Are Looking For a Sponsor</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li><li><strong>Photo credit:</strong> Mark Thompson</li></ul>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 1 Oct 2021 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Debbie Weil is interviewed by her producer Julie-Roxane Krikorian about turning 70, mortality, productivity, her halting efforts to age gracefully, and Season 4 of The Gap Year Podcast.</p><p>This is the last episode of Season 3. We'll be back in the fall with Season 4!</p><p>As a way to finish this season on a special note, Debbie turns the mic over to her producer, Julie-Roxane.</p><p>JR gets Debbie to reveal her ambivalent feelings about turning 70  and how she can't shake ageist thoughts about growing old. They talk about mortality and what her priorities are for the decades - well, maybe two decades - to come.  At almost 70, Debbie figures she's got 15 - 20 years of good time left. They talk about what “good time” means and how the definition of productivity might change in your 70s and 80s.</p><p>If you’ve been listening for a while, you know that one of the broad topics of the podcast is aging with acceptance, wisdom, and grace. So the dirty secret is out. Debbie is not a model, yet, for how to do this.  It’s still aspirational. She continues to work on a more positive mindset as she looks ahead, as well as a more intentional way of living. In other words,  "making the most of growing older."  That will be the underlying theme of Season 4.</p><p>Thank you so much for listening and participating in Season 3 of The Gap Year Podcast. We’ll see you back here, in the fall, for Season 4.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">About Debbie</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/island-women-speak/">Island Women Speak</a>, Debbie’s intergenerational women's storytelling event in Stonington, Maine</li><li><a href="https://thefarout.life/podcast/">The FAR OUT Podcast</a>, Julie-Roxane's podcast co-hosted with her husband Alasdair Plambeck</li><li><a href="https://tim.blog/podcast/">The Tim Ferriss Show</a></li><li><a href="https://tim.blog/2021/05/11/sebastian-junger-freedom/">Sebastian Junger — Seeking Freedom, Near-Death Experiences, and Reordering Your Place in the World (#513)</a>, The Tim Ferriss Show (May 11, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08LDWHSTT/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1">Freedom</a> by Sebastian Junger (Simon & Schuster 2021)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>I hope you are enjoying this podcast. Would you please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts/iTunes</a>? It takes less than sixty seconds, and it really makes a difference in attracting new listeners and upcoming guests. I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p>Sign up for occasional updates and get my free writing guide at <a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">http://eepurl.com/qGTP</a></p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com">gapyearaftersixty.com</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie talks with with Steven Petrow about his new book, <a href="https://stevenpetrow.com/stupid-things-i-wont-do">Stupid Things I Won't Do When I Get Old: A Highly Judgmental, Unapologetically Honest Accounting of All the Things Our Elders Are Doing Wrong</a>. </p><p>The title says it all, as does the format of the book. The list of stupid things to avoid is offered in 43 bite-size chapters. Steven is an award-winning journalist and author who is best known for his Washington Post and New York Times essays on aging, health, and LGBTQ issues. Debbie has been following his work for a while and when she heard about his new book on old age she jumped on getting him onto the show.</p><p>We've all had a lot of time to think about life - and death - during this pandemic gap year and old age is starting to get personal for Debbie (she turns 70 this year). She figured Steven's humorous approach to the topic would make it easier to get into a substantive discussion about getting old. It did and you'll find this conversation goes surprisingly deep. </p><p>The book covers lighter topics like:</p><ul><li>Why you shouldn’t color your hair</li><li>Why you shouldn’t avoid looking at yourself naked in the mirror</li><li>Why you shouldn’t lie about your age (even on dating apps)</li><li>Why you shouldn’t hoard those little jam packets (and otherwise collect clutter)</li><li>Why you shouldn’t tell your life story when someone says, "How are you"</li><li>Why you shouldn’t become a miserable curmudgeon</li></ul><p> </p><p>Debbie and Steven talk about harder stuff.  When does old age actually start? The looming uncertainty of how many years - how many good years - you have left? How to make that time count?</p><p>They also talk about things no one wants to talk about (like decreased libido, not wanting to use a walker, and the "smell" of old people). And they talk about how to have the hard conversations with elderly parents. You know the ones: “Maybe you shouldn’t be driving anymore” or “Maybe it’s time to think about getting more care at home” or “What kind of memorial service do you want?”</p><p>Steven offers candid answers for how to address the indignities and challenges of old age whether you are encountering them through family members and friends, or worrying about yourself. This is a fun, easy listen.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://stevenpetrow.com">StevenPetrow.com</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/stevenpetrow?lang=en">Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/stevenpetrow">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Stupid-Things-Wont-When-Unapologetically-ebook/dp/B08KL58Q4X">Stupid Things I Won't Do When I Get Old: A Highly Judgmental, Unapologetically Honest Accounting of All the Things Our Elders Are Doing Wrong</a> by Steven Petrow (Citadel Press 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Steven-Petrows-Complete-Lesbian-Manners/dp/0761156704/">Steven Petrow's Complete Gay and Lesbian Manners</a> (Workman Publishing, 2011)</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/05/well/family/thing-ill-do-differently-when-im-old.html">Things I’ll Do Differently When I’m Old</a> by Steven Petrow (New York Times, December 5, 2017)</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/search?query=steven%20petrow">Steven's columns for The New York Times</a> on cancer, vanity, and health</li><li><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/steven-petrow/?utm_term=.9fc6deafa23b">Steven's essays for the Washington Post</a> on civility, aging, and LGBTQ issues</li><li><a href="https://www.usatoday.com/search/steven%20petrow/">Steven's recent columns for USA Today</a></li><li>Steven’s <a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/steven_petrow_3_ways_to_practice_civility?language=en">TED talk: 3 ways to practice civility</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07TD6HCRB/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1">A New Way to Age: The Most Cutting-Edge Advances in Antiaging</a> by Suzanne Somers (Gallery Books 2020)</li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>I hope you enjoyed this podcast. Would you please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts/iTunes</a>? It takes less than sixty seconds, and it really makes a difference in attracting new listeners and upcoming guests. I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p>Sign up for occasional updates and get my free writing guide at <a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">http://eepurl.com/qGTP</a></p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com">gapyearaftersixty.com</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie talks with with Steven Petrow about his new book, <a href="https://stevenpetrow.com/stupid-things-i-wont-do">Stupid Things I Won't Do When I Get Old: A Highly Judgmental, Unapologetically Honest Accounting of All the Things Our Elders Are Doing Wrong</a>. </p><p>The title says it all, as does the format of the book. The list of stupid things to avoid is offered in 43 bite-size chapters. Steven is an award-winning journalist and author who is best known for his Washington Post and New York Times essays on aging, health, and LGBTQ issues. Debbie has been following his work for a while and when she heard about his new book on old age she jumped on getting him onto the show.</p><p>We've all had a lot of time to think about life - and death - during this pandemic gap year and old age is starting to get personal for Debbie (she turns 70 this year). She figured Steven's humorous approach to the topic would make it easier to get into a substantive discussion about getting old. It did and you'll find this conversation goes surprisingly deep. </p><p>The book covers lighter topics like:</p><ul><li>Why you shouldn’t color your hair</li><li>Why you shouldn’t avoid looking at yourself naked in the mirror</li><li>Why you shouldn’t lie about your age (even on dating apps)</li><li>Why you shouldn’t hoard those little jam packets (and otherwise collect clutter)</li><li>Why you shouldn’t tell your life story when someone says, "How are you"</li><li>Why you shouldn’t become a miserable curmudgeon</li></ul><p> </p><p>Debbie and Steven talk about harder stuff.  When does old age actually start? The looming uncertainty of how many years - how many good years - you have left? How to make that time count?</p><p>They also talk about things no one wants to talk about (like decreased libido, not wanting to use a walker, and the "smell" of old people). And they talk about how to have the hard conversations with elderly parents. You know the ones: “Maybe you shouldn’t be driving anymore” or “Maybe it’s time to think about getting more care at home” or “What kind of memorial service do you want?”</p><p>Steven offers candid answers for how to address the indignities and challenges of old age whether you are encountering them through family members and friends, or worrying about yourself. This is a fun, easy listen.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://stevenpetrow.com">StevenPetrow.com</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/stevenpetrow?lang=en">Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/stevenpetrow">Facebook</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Stupid-Things-Wont-When-Unapologetically-ebook/dp/B08KL58Q4X">Stupid Things I Won't Do When I Get Old: A Highly Judgmental, Unapologetically Honest Accounting of All the Things Our Elders Are Doing Wrong</a> by Steven Petrow (Citadel Press 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Steven-Petrows-Complete-Lesbian-Manners/dp/0761156704/">Steven Petrow's Complete Gay and Lesbian Manners</a> (Workman Publishing, 2011)</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/05/well/family/thing-ill-do-differently-when-im-old.html">Things I’ll Do Differently When I’m Old</a> by Steven Petrow (New York Times, December 5, 2017)</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/search?query=steven%20petrow">Steven's columns for The New York Times</a> on cancer, vanity, and health</li><li><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/steven-petrow/?utm_term=.9fc6deafa23b">Steven's essays for the Washington Post</a> on civility, aging, and LGBTQ issues</li><li><a href="https://www.usatoday.com/search/steven%20petrow/">Steven's recent columns for USA Today</a></li><li>Steven’s <a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/steven_petrow_3_ways_to_practice_civility?language=en">TED talk: 3 ways to practice civility</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07TD6HCRB/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1">A New Way to Age: The Most Cutting-Edge Advances in Antiaging</a> by Suzanne Somers (Gallery Books 2020)</li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>I hope you enjoyed this podcast. Would you please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts/iTunes</a>? It takes less than sixty seconds, and it really makes a difference in attracting new listeners and upcoming guests. I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p>Sign up for occasional updates and get my free writing guide at <a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">http://eepurl.com/qGTP</a></p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com">gapyearaftersixty.com</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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His best known book is <strong>"Fiasco: the American Military Adventure in Iraq, 2003 - 2005,"</strong> which was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize in 2007.  His most recent book, published in November 2020, is <strong>"First Principles: What America's Founders Learned From the Greeks and Romans, and How That Shaped Our Country."</strong></p><p>He was a war correspondent and a member of Pulitzer Prize-winning teams covering the military for both the <a href="https://www.pulitzer.org/winners/staff-47">Wall Street Journal</a> (2000) and the <a href="https://www.pulitzer.org/winners/staff-55">Washington Post</a> (2002).  </p><p>As Debbie puts it, he's the "real deal" when it comes to writing serious books. Tom is currently working on his eighth book, a military appreciation of the Civil Rights Movement. Tom and his wife Mary Kay, also an author, are Debbie's good friends and neighbors in Maine.</p><p>Today, they talk about what drives Tom to write: is it for money, for recognition, to win another Pulitzer prize, to connect with his readers, the writing itself? His answer is a good one.  They address the big questions: how long does it take him to write a book, how does he choose his topics, what is his  advice for would-be book writers, and more.  </p><p>Debbie and Tom also get into the nitty gritty of his writing process. He takes us through a day in the life of Tom Ricks which includes bringing tea to Mary Kay in the morning and making lunch most days for the two of them. Despite how prolific he is, Tom does <i>not</i> write for 8 hours a day. </p><p>He is witty and passionate on the topic of writing, as well as being honest and revealing, and this is a wonderful conversation.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/RICKS-BIO.pdf">Thomas E. Ricks</a> bio</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Fiasco-American-Military-Adventure-Iraq/dp/159420103X/">Fiasco:  the American Military Adventure in Iraq</a> by Thomas E. Ricks (Penguin, 2006)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Generals-American-Military-Command-World/dp/0143124099/ref=sr_1_1?crid=34BWV32GGBXGF&dchild=1&keywords=the+generals+thomas+e+ricks&qid=1622143441&s=books&sprefix=the+generals+%2Cstripbooks%2C328&sr=1-1">The Generals: American Military Command from World War II to Today</a> by Thomas E. 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I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p><strong>My newsletter: </strong>sign up for occasional updates and get my free writing guide at <a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">http://eepurl.com/qGTP</a></p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>We Are Looking For a Sponsor for Season 4</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple/iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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His best known book is <strong>"Fiasco: the American Military Adventure in Iraq, 2003 - 2005,"</strong> which was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize in 2007.  His most recent book, published in November 2020, is <strong>"First Principles: What America's Founders Learned From the Greeks and Romans, and How That Shaped Our Country."</strong></p><p>He was a war correspondent and a member of Pulitzer Prize-winning teams covering the military for both the <a href="https://www.pulitzer.org/winners/staff-47">Wall Street Journal</a> (2000) and the <a href="https://www.pulitzer.org/winners/staff-55">Washington Post</a> (2002).  </p><p>As Debbie puts it, he's the "real deal" when it comes to writing serious books. Tom is currently working on his eighth book, a military appreciation of the Civil Rights Movement. Tom and his wife Mary Kay, also an author, are Debbie's good friends and neighbors in Maine.</p><p>Today, they talk about what drives Tom to write: is it for money, for recognition, to win another Pulitzer prize, to connect with his readers, the writing itself? His answer is a good one.  They address the big questions: how long does it take him to write a book, how does he choose his topics, what is his  advice for would-be book writers, and more.  </p><p>Debbie and Tom also get into the nitty gritty of his writing process. He takes us through a day in the life of Tom Ricks which includes bringing tea to Mary Kay in the morning and making lunch most days for the two of them. Despite how prolific he is, Tom does <i>not</i> write for 8 hours a day. </p><p>He is witty and passionate on the topic of writing, as well as being honest and revealing, and this is a wonderful conversation.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/RICKS-BIO.pdf">Thomas E. Ricks</a> bio</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Fiasco-American-Military-Adventure-Iraq/dp/159420103X/">Fiasco:  the American Military Adventure in Iraq</a> by Thomas E. Ricks (Penguin, 2006)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Generals-American-Military-Command-World/dp/0143124099/ref=sr_1_1?crid=34BWV32GGBXGF&dchild=1&keywords=the+generals+thomas+e+ricks&qid=1622143441&s=books&sprefix=the+generals+%2Cstripbooks%2C328&sr=1-1">The Generals: American Military Command from World War II to Today</a> by Thomas E. 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I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p><strong>My newsletter: </strong>sign up for occasional updates and get my free writing guide at <a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">http://eepurl.com/qGTP</a></p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>We Are Looking For a Sponsor for Season 4</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple/iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Debbie Weil brings her husband, <a href="https://samharrington.com">Sam Harrington</a>, back onto the show. A retired physician, Sam is NOT a  believer in midlife-crisis camps nor in navel gazing, which is what he told family and friends Debbie was dragging him across the country to do. It took a lot of arm-twisting to persuade Sam to get on a plane and fly to Mexico’s Baja Sur, even after they had both been twice vaccinated and even after the long, dispiriting winter of the pandemic. Their destination: <strong>Modern Elder Academy.</strong></p><p>If you've been listening to the podcast, you've heard about MEA. You <i>could</i> call MEA a wellness retreat. It’s idyllic: simple accommodations overlook the crashing waves of a broad mile-long beach. Birdsong fills the air, water trickles from fountains, and bright pink, yellow, and orange Bougainvillea blooms everywhere. An organic garden produces wonderful meals and a dusty dirt road leads to the nearest village.</p><p>But MEA is more than a wellness retreat. It’s also a school - and a community - of like-minded people. MEA tends to attract open-minded individuals from their 30s to 70s, who are on a quest to define "what's next” in their lives and who are willing to think differently about aging. </p><p>Guests can attend structured discussions, there’s time for journal writing and reflection, and there are meditation and yoga classes. </p><p>Debbie and Sam talk about a few of the topics that were on offer during their two-week stay, including the difference between <strong>growth vs. fixed mindsets</strong> (you can guess which one is preferable) and something called <strong>appreciative inquiry</strong> which is an expansive way of both listening and asking questions. </p><p>Sam ultimately admits that he IS feeling calm and centered. </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.modernelderacademy.com/">Modern Elder Academy</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Pescadero,_Baja_California_Sur">El Pescadero, Baja California Sur</a></li><li><a href="https://hbr.org/2016/01/what-having-a-growth-mindset-actually-means">What Having a "Growth Mindset" Actually Means</a> by Carol Dweck (Harvard Business Review, Jan. 13, 2016)</li><li><a href="https://www.brainpickings.org/2014/01/29/carol-dweck-mindset/">More about growth vs. fixed mindsets</a></li><li><a href="https://cvdl.ben.edu/blog/what-is-appreciative-inquiry/">What Is Appreciative Inquiry?</a></li><li><a href="https://online.modernelderacademy.com/">Navigating Midlife Transitions</a>, MEA’s Online Program</li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep20-jeff-hamaoui-on-changing-mindsets-and-navigating-the-messy-middle-of-transitions/">S3-EP20: Jeff Hamaoui on Navigating the Messy Middle of Transitions</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/chip-conley-growing-wise-at-modern-elder-academy/">S1-EP6: Chip Conley on Growing Wise at Modern Elder Academy (Modern Elders, Part 1)</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-7-modern-elders-part-2-four-different-decades-on-transition-and-reinvention/">S1-EP7: Four Different Decades on Transition and Reinvention (Modern Elders, Part 2)</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Previous episodes featuring host Debbie Weil and her husband Sam Harrington:</strong></p><ul><li>S3-EP16: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep16-debbie-sam-on-fasting-for-five-days/">Debbie & Sam on Fasting For Five Days and Why They Were Crazy Enough to Do It</a></li><li>S2-EP24: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep24-debbie-sam-on-the-gap-year-for-everyone-silver-linings-not-shoulding-and-season-3/">Debbie & Sam on the Gap Year For Everyone, Silver Linings, and Not Should'ing</a></li><li>S2-EP18: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep18-debbie-sam-on-the-new-normal-quarantines-immunity-passports-and-masks-gloves/">Debbie & Sam on the New Normal, Quarantines, Immunity Passports, and Masks & Gloves</a></li><li>S2-EP12: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep12-debbie-sam-on-the-coronavirus-magical-thinking-and-aging/">Debbie & Sam on the Coronavirus, Magical Thinking, and Aging</a></li><li>S1-EP10: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-10-our-bucket-list-debbie-and-sam-live-in-france/">On Debbie & Sam's Bucket List: Living in France</a></li><li>S1-EP2: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-2-deciding-to-take-a-gap-year-at-62/">Debbie & Sam on How They Decided to Take a Gap Year at Age 62</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>A gift for listeners: a Baja meditation soundtrack</strong></p><p>Debbie created a 20-minute meditation soundtrack (with help from producer Julie-Roxane) from the distinctive Baja birdsong and trickling water she heard every morning before meditation practice. <a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1r98lBzQ9Waboq4A9YRQQ8-NG5GSnAB-4/view?usp=sharing">Download the soundtrack.</a></p><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>I hope you enjoyed this podcast. Would you please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts/iTunes</a>? It takes less than sixty seconds, and it really makes a difference in attracting new listeners and upcoming guests. I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p> </p><p><strong>Newsletter:</strong><br /><br /><a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">Sign up for updates and get my free writing guide.</a></p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor or partner</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debbie Weil brings her husband, <a href="https://samharrington.com">Sam Harrington</a>, back onto the show. A retired physician, Sam is NOT a  believer in midlife-crisis camps nor in navel gazing, which is what he told family and friends Debbie was dragging him across the country to do. It took a lot of arm-twisting to persuade Sam to get on a plane and fly to Mexico’s Baja Sur, even after they had both been twice vaccinated and even after the long, dispiriting winter of the pandemic. Their destination: <strong>Modern Elder Academy.</strong></p><p>If you've been listening to the podcast, you've heard about MEA. You <i>could</i> call MEA a wellness retreat. It’s idyllic: simple accommodations overlook the crashing waves of a broad mile-long beach. Birdsong fills the air, water trickles from fountains, and bright pink, yellow, and orange Bougainvillea blooms everywhere. An organic garden produces wonderful meals and a dusty dirt road leads to the nearest village.</p><p>But MEA is more than a wellness retreat. It’s also a school - and a community - of like-minded people. MEA tends to attract open-minded individuals from their 30s to 70s, who are on a quest to define "what's next” in their lives and who are willing to think differently about aging. </p><p>Guests can attend structured discussions, there’s time for journal writing and reflection, and there are meditation and yoga classes. </p><p>Debbie and Sam talk about a few of the topics that were on offer during their two-week stay, including the difference between <strong>growth vs. fixed mindsets</strong> (you can guess which one is preferable) and something called <strong>appreciative inquiry</strong> which is an expansive way of both listening and asking questions. </p><p>Sam ultimately admits that he IS feeling calm and centered. </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.modernelderacademy.com/">Modern Elder Academy</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Pescadero,_Baja_California_Sur">El Pescadero, Baja California Sur</a></li><li><a href="https://hbr.org/2016/01/what-having-a-growth-mindset-actually-means">What Having a "Growth Mindset" Actually Means</a> by Carol Dweck (Harvard Business Review, Jan. 13, 2016)</li><li><a href="https://www.brainpickings.org/2014/01/29/carol-dweck-mindset/">More about growth vs. fixed mindsets</a></li><li><a href="https://cvdl.ben.edu/blog/what-is-appreciative-inquiry/">What Is Appreciative Inquiry?</a></li><li><a href="https://online.modernelderacademy.com/">Navigating Midlife Transitions</a>, MEA’s Online Program</li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep20-jeff-hamaoui-on-changing-mindsets-and-navigating-the-messy-middle-of-transitions/">S3-EP20: Jeff Hamaoui on Navigating the Messy Middle of Transitions</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/chip-conley-growing-wise-at-modern-elder-academy/">S1-EP6: Chip Conley on Growing Wise at Modern Elder Academy (Modern Elders, Part 1)</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-7-modern-elders-part-2-four-different-decades-on-transition-and-reinvention/">S1-EP7: Four Different Decades on Transition and Reinvention (Modern Elders, Part 2)</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Previous episodes featuring host Debbie Weil and her husband Sam Harrington:</strong></p><ul><li>S3-EP16: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep16-debbie-sam-on-fasting-for-five-days/">Debbie & Sam on Fasting For Five Days and Why They Were Crazy Enough to Do It</a></li><li>S2-EP24: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep24-debbie-sam-on-the-gap-year-for-everyone-silver-linings-not-shoulding-and-season-3/">Debbie & Sam on the Gap Year For Everyone, Silver Linings, and Not Should'ing</a></li><li>S2-EP18: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep18-debbie-sam-on-the-new-normal-quarantines-immunity-passports-and-masks-gloves/">Debbie & Sam on the New Normal, Quarantines, Immunity Passports, and Masks & Gloves</a></li><li>S2-EP12: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep12-debbie-sam-on-the-coronavirus-magical-thinking-and-aging/">Debbie & Sam on the Coronavirus, Magical Thinking, and Aging</a></li><li>S1-EP10: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-10-our-bucket-list-debbie-and-sam-live-in-france/">On Debbie & Sam's Bucket List: Living in France</a></li><li>S1-EP2: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-2-deciding-to-take-a-gap-year-at-62/">Debbie & Sam on How They Decided to Take a Gap Year at Age 62</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>A gift for listeners: a Baja meditation soundtrack</strong></p><p>Debbie created a 20-minute meditation soundtrack (with help from producer Julie-Roxane) from the distinctive Baja birdsong and trickling water she heard every morning before meditation practice. <a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1r98lBzQ9Waboq4A9YRQQ8-NG5GSnAB-4/view?usp=sharing">Download the soundtrack.</a></p><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>I hope you enjoyed this podcast. Would you please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts/iTunes</a>? It takes less than sixty seconds, and it really makes a difference in attracting new listeners and upcoming guests. I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p> </p><p><strong>Newsletter:</strong><br /><br /><a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">Sign up for updates and get my free writing guide.</a></p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor or partner</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>When will the Covid 19 pandemic end? That’s the question on everyone’s mind. Today Debbie talks to one person who just might have an answer to that question. </p><p>Nicholas Christakis is a nationally-recognized expert in three fields: medicine, sociology and public health. He’s a distinguished Sterling Professor at Yale, a researcher on the topics of social networks and human goodness, and a bestselling author, most recently, of <strong>Apollo’s Arrow: The Profound and Enduring Impact of Coronavirus on the Way We Live.</strong></p><p>He’s been named to TIME magazine’s list of the 100 Most Influential People in the World. His fluency in explaining the science, epidemiology, psychology, sociology and history of pandemics makes this a fascinating conversation. Plus he’s got a good sense of humor:</p><ul><li>You’ll hear why he chose to publish Apollo’s Arrow last fall, midway through the COVID 19 pandemic, before we knew the end of the story</li><li>How his childhood experiences with illness and death affected his career choices</li><li>What the predictable three phases of a pandemic are (HINT: we're still in the immediate phase)</li><li>Why he thinks this pandemic won’t be over until 2024</li><li>They also talked about separating the biological vs. the psychological impacts of the pandemic</li><li>What herd immunity actually means and whether we’ll get there</li><li>And what the public health messaging around the pandemic should be</li></ul><p><br />Debbie asks him point blank: when is the <i>next</i> pandemic? The answer is unnerving - sooner than you might think. </p><p>But they end on a positive note: plagues historically bring loss, grief, confusion, and misinformation. But they also reveal cooperative and generous behavior, the best of humankind.</p><p> </p><p><strong>About Nicholas Christakis</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Christakis">Wikipedia</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/NAChristakis?">Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://sociology.yale.edu/people/nicholas-christakis">Yale University</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvEqnjR24WGBbMa_N7NyM5vLZ4aFe2YWy">Ted Talks</a></li><li><a href="https://www.humannaturelab.net/">Human Nature Lab at Yale</a></li></ul><p><br />Photo Credit: Evan Mann</p><p> </p><p><strong>Books by Nicholas Christakis</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Apollos-Arrow-Profound-Enduring-Coronavirus/dp/0316628212">Apollo's Arrow: The Profound and Enduring Impact of Coronavirus on the Way We Live</a> by Nicholas Christakis (Little, Brown Spark 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07F67B9P4/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i1">Blueprint: The Evolutionary Origins of a Good Society</a> by Nicholas Christakis (Little, Brown Spark 2019)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002OFVO5Y/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i2">Connected: The Surprising Power of Our Social Networks and How They Shape Our Lives</a> by Nicholas Christakis (Little, Brown Spark 2009)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0226104710/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i4">Death Foretold: Prophecy and Prognosis in Medical Care</a> by Nicholas Christakis (University of Chicago Press, 2001)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Articles and interviews</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://news.yale.edu/2021/03/04/year-covid-making-sense-alien-and-unnatural-time">A year of COVID: Making sense of an ‘alien and unnatural’ time</a> (Yale News, March 4, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/21/epidemiologist-1918-flu-pandemic-roaring-20s-post-covid">Epidemiologist looks to the past to predict second post-pandemic 'roaring 20s'</a> (The Guardian, December 21, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.npr.org/2020/10/29/929073472/denial-and-lies-are-almost-an-intrinsic-part-of-an-epidemic-doctor-says">Denial And Lies Are 'Almost An Intrinsic Part Of An Epidemic,' Doctor Says</a> (NPR, October 29, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://blogs.sciencemag.org/books/2020/11/17/apollos-arrow/">The pandemic is as much about society, leaders, and values as it is about a pathogen</a> (Science Mag, November 17, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/03/books/review/apollos-arrow-coronavirus-nicholas-christakis.html">The New York Times Book Review: The Pandemic's Future — and Ours</a> (NYT Book Review, November 3, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Importance-Being-Little-Children-Grownups/dp/0143129988">The Importance of Being Little: What Young Children Really Need from Grownups</a> by Erika Christakis (Penguin Books 2016)</li><li><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/12/school-wasnt-so-great-before-covid-either/616923/">Remote Learning Isn't the Only Problem With School</a> (The Atlantic, December 2020)</li><li><a href="https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2771764">The COVID-19 Pandemic and the $16 Trillion Virus</a> by Larry H. Summers, PhD and David M. Cutler, PhD (October 12, 2020)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned or useful</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Plague-Albert-Camus/dp/0679720219">The Plague</a> by Albert Camus (1947)</li><li><a href="https://www.healthline.com/health/r-nought-reproduction-number">What Is R-naught? Gauging Contagious Infections</a> (Healthline, April 20, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology">What is Epidemiology?</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociology">What is Sociology?</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>I hope you enjoyed this podcast. Would you please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts/iTunes</a>? It takes less than sixty seconds, and it really makes a difference in attracting new listeners and upcoming guests. I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com">https://gapyearaftersixty.com</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Newsletter</strong><br /><a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">Sign up for occasional updates and get my free writing guide.</a></p><p> </p><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>We Are Looking For a Sponsor</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! 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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When will the Covid 19 pandemic end? That’s the question on everyone’s mind. Today Debbie talks to one person who just might have an answer to that question. </p><p>Nicholas Christakis is a nationally-recognized expert in three fields: medicine, sociology and public health. He’s a distinguished Sterling Professor at Yale, a researcher on the topics of social networks and human goodness, and a bestselling author, most recently, of <strong>Apollo’s Arrow: The Profound and Enduring Impact of Coronavirus on the Way We Live.</strong></p><p>He’s been named to TIME magazine’s list of the 100 Most Influential People in the World. His fluency in explaining the science, epidemiology, psychology, sociology and history of pandemics makes this a fascinating conversation. Plus he’s got a good sense of humor:</p><ul><li>You’ll hear why he chose to publish Apollo’s Arrow last fall, midway through the COVID 19 pandemic, before we knew the end of the story</li><li>How his childhood experiences with illness and death affected his career choices</li><li>What the predictable three phases of a pandemic are (HINT: we're still in the immediate phase)</li><li>Why he thinks this pandemic won’t be over until 2024</li><li>They also talked about separating the biological vs. the psychological impacts of the pandemic</li><li>What herd immunity actually means and whether we’ll get there</li><li>And what the public health messaging around the pandemic should be</li></ul><p><br />Debbie asks him point blank: when is the <i>next</i> pandemic? The answer is unnerving - sooner than you might think. </p><p>But they end on a positive note: plagues historically bring loss, grief, confusion, and misinformation. But they also reveal cooperative and generous behavior, the best of humankind.</p><p> </p><p><strong>About Nicholas Christakis</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Christakis">Wikipedia</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/NAChristakis?">Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://sociology.yale.edu/people/nicholas-christakis">Yale University</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvEqnjR24WGBbMa_N7NyM5vLZ4aFe2YWy">Ted Talks</a></li><li><a href="https://www.humannaturelab.net/">Human Nature Lab at Yale</a></li></ul><p><br />Photo Credit: Evan Mann</p><p> </p><p><strong>Books by Nicholas Christakis</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Apollos-Arrow-Profound-Enduring-Coronavirus/dp/0316628212">Apollo's Arrow: The Profound and Enduring Impact of Coronavirus on the Way We Live</a> by Nicholas Christakis (Little, Brown Spark 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07F67B9P4/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i1">Blueprint: The Evolutionary Origins of a Good Society</a> by Nicholas Christakis (Little, Brown Spark 2019)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002OFVO5Y/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i2">Connected: The Surprising Power of Our Social Networks and How They Shape Our Lives</a> by Nicholas Christakis (Little, Brown Spark 2009)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0226104710/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i4">Death Foretold: Prophecy and Prognosis in Medical Care</a> by Nicholas Christakis (University of Chicago Press, 2001)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Articles and interviews</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://news.yale.edu/2021/03/04/year-covid-making-sense-alien-and-unnatural-time">A year of COVID: Making sense of an ‘alien and unnatural’ time</a> (Yale News, March 4, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/21/epidemiologist-1918-flu-pandemic-roaring-20s-post-covid">Epidemiologist looks to the past to predict second post-pandemic 'roaring 20s'</a> (The Guardian, December 21, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.npr.org/2020/10/29/929073472/denial-and-lies-are-almost-an-intrinsic-part-of-an-epidemic-doctor-says">Denial And Lies Are 'Almost An Intrinsic Part Of An Epidemic,' Doctor Says</a> (NPR, October 29, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://blogs.sciencemag.org/books/2020/11/17/apollos-arrow/">The pandemic is as much about society, leaders, and values as it is about a pathogen</a> (Science Mag, November 17, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/03/books/review/apollos-arrow-coronavirus-nicholas-christakis.html">The New York Times Book Review: The Pandemic's Future — and Ours</a> (NYT Book Review, November 3, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Importance-Being-Little-Children-Grownups/dp/0143129988">The Importance of Being Little: What Young Children Really Need from Grownups</a> by Erika Christakis (Penguin Books 2016)</li><li><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/12/school-wasnt-so-great-before-covid-either/616923/">Remote Learning Isn't the Only Problem With School</a> (The Atlantic, December 2020)</li><li><a href="https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2771764">The COVID-19 Pandemic and the $16 Trillion Virus</a> by Larry H. Summers, PhD and David M. Cutler, PhD (October 12, 2020)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned or useful</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Plague-Albert-Camus/dp/0679720219">The Plague</a> by Albert Camus (1947)</li><li><a href="https://www.healthline.com/health/r-nought-reproduction-number">What Is R-naught? Gauging Contagious Infections</a> (Healthline, April 20, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology">What is Epidemiology?</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociology">What is Sociology?</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>I hope you enjoyed this podcast. Would you please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts/iTunes</a>? It takes less than sixty seconds, and it really makes a difference in attracting new listeners and upcoming guests. I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com">https://gapyearaftersixty.com</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Newsletter</strong><br /><a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">Sign up for occasional updates and get my free writing guide.</a></p><p> </p><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>We Are Looking For a Sponsor</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! 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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Debbie talks with <strong>Jeff Hamaoui</strong>, Modern Elder Academy Co-founder and Chief Education and Innovation Officer, about getting through the "messy middle" (a real term) of transitions. This time of global transformation is also a time of existential transition for many of us. What comes next - and when? And how? Especially if you are in midlife or older.</p><p>The messy middle of any life transition is not easy, or comfortable, to get through. The old has ended but the new has not yet started or is not yet clear. </p><p>If you’ve been listening to the podcast for a while you’ve heard her mention MEA and you might have listened to her interviews with founder <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/chip-conley-growing-wise-at-modern-elder-academy/">Chip Conley</a>. Debbie joined MEA’s online program, <i>Navigating Midlife Transitions,</i> feeling she needed dedicated time and space to reflect on - and make sense of - this pandemic “gap” year. Jeff’s guidance through the program was provocative, so she called him to dive a little deeper.</p><p>Jeff, and others who have studied transitions (most notably <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Managing-Transitions-25th-anniversary-Making/dp/0738219657">William Bridges</a>), have identified the "messy middle" as the most challenging phase of a transition. Adopting a mindset of growth and curiosity can help you get through it. This applies equally to transitioning into midlife and beyond. What we used to call "getting old."</p><p>Debbie and Jeff talk about:</p><ul><li>Why Jeff's interest in transitions</li><li>What is a modern elder</li><li>The anatomy of a transition</li><li>The concept of messy middles and how to get through them</li><li>Why a growth mindset is important</li><li>Pattern interruption - why you need to go to a place to rethink aging and midlife</li></ul><p> </p><p>At the end of the episode, listen for the sound of birdsong and trickling water as Debbie reports back from a recent real-life visit, with her husband Sam, to the MEA campus in Baja Sur, Mexico.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-hamaoui-a3318">Jeff Hamaoui</a> Co-founder of MEA</li><li><a href="https://www.modernelderacademy.com/">Modern Elder Academy</a></li><li><a href="https://www.chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a> Founder of MEA</li><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/pub/christine-sperber/6/767/22">Christine Sperber</a> Co-founder of MEA</li><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kari-henley">Kari Henley</a> Director, MEA Online</li><li><a href="https://online.modernelderacademy.com/">Navigating Midlife Transitions</a>, MEA’s Online Program (enrollment open now)</li><li><a href="https://personalvalu.es/personal-values-test">Personal Values Online Test</a></li></ul><p> </p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Wisdom-Work-Making-Modern-Elder/dp/0525572902">Wisdom at Work: the Making of a Modern Elder</a> by Chip Conley (Currency 2018)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Managing-Transitions-25th-anniversary-Making/dp/0738219657">Managing Transitions, 25th Anniversary Edition</a> by William Bridges and Susan Bridges (Da Capo Lifelong Books 2017)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Mindset-Psychology-Carol-S-Dweck/dp/0345472322">Mindset: The New Psychology of Success</a> by Carol Dweck (Ballantine Books 2007)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Previous episodes you may like:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/chip-conley-growing-wise-at-modern-elder-academy/">Chip Conley on Growing Wise at Modern Elder Academy (Part 1): S1 – EP 6</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-7-modern-elders-part-2-four-different-decades-on-transition-and-reinvention/">Four Different Decades on Transition and Reinvention (Part 2): S1 – EP 7</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/island-women-speak-storytelling-stonington-maine/">Island Women Speak: Connection, Truth, and Storytelling in Maine: S1 - EP9</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep18-deer-isles-rene-colson-hudson-on-fighting-pandemic-fatigue-by-helping-others/">Rene Colson Hudson on Pandemic Fatigue: S3 - EP18</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep19-island-women-speak-about-their-pandemic-year/">Island Women Speak About Their Pandemic Year:  S3 - EP19</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>I hope you enjoyed this podcast. Would you please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts/iTunes</a>? It takes less than sixty seconds, and it really makes a difference in attracting new listeners and upcoming guests. I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p>Sign up for occasional updates and get my free writing guide at <a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">http://eepurl.com/qGTP</a></p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com">gapyearaftersixty.com</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife listeners, with a bent towards growth and possibility, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <author>wordbiz@gmail.com (Jeff Hamaoui, Debbie Weil)</author>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debbie talks with <strong>Jeff Hamaoui</strong>, Modern Elder Academy Co-founder and Chief Education and Innovation Officer, about getting through the "messy middle" (a real term) of transitions. This time of global transformation is also a time of existential transition for many of us. What comes next - and when? And how? Especially if you are in midlife or older.</p><p>The messy middle of any life transition is not easy, or comfortable, to get through. The old has ended but the new has not yet started or is not yet clear. </p><p>If you’ve been listening to the podcast for a while you’ve heard her mention MEA and you might have listened to her interviews with founder <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/chip-conley-growing-wise-at-modern-elder-academy/">Chip Conley</a>. Debbie joined MEA’s online program, <i>Navigating Midlife Transitions,</i> feeling she needed dedicated time and space to reflect on - and make sense of - this pandemic “gap” year. Jeff’s guidance through the program was provocative, so she called him to dive a little deeper.</p><p>Jeff, and others who have studied transitions (most notably <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Managing-Transitions-25th-anniversary-Making/dp/0738219657">William Bridges</a>), have identified the "messy middle" as the most challenging phase of a transition. Adopting a mindset of growth and curiosity can help you get through it. This applies equally to transitioning into midlife and beyond. What we used to call "getting old."</p><p>Debbie and Jeff talk about:</p><ul><li>Why Jeff's interest in transitions</li><li>What is a modern elder</li><li>The anatomy of a transition</li><li>The concept of messy middles and how to get through them</li><li>Why a growth mindset is important</li><li>Pattern interruption - why you need to go to a place to rethink aging and midlife</li></ul><p> </p><p>At the end of the episode, listen for the sound of birdsong and trickling water as Debbie reports back from a recent real-life visit, with her husband Sam, to the MEA campus in Baja Sur, Mexico.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-hamaoui-a3318">Jeff Hamaoui</a> Co-founder of MEA</li><li><a href="https://www.modernelderacademy.com/">Modern Elder Academy</a></li><li><a href="https://www.chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a> Founder of MEA</li><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/pub/christine-sperber/6/767/22">Christine Sperber</a> Co-founder of MEA</li><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kari-henley">Kari Henley</a> Director, MEA Online</li><li><a href="https://online.modernelderacademy.com/">Navigating Midlife Transitions</a>, MEA’s Online Program (enrollment open now)</li><li><a href="https://personalvalu.es/personal-values-test">Personal Values Online Test</a></li></ul><p> </p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Wisdom-Work-Making-Modern-Elder/dp/0525572902">Wisdom at Work: the Making of a Modern Elder</a> by Chip Conley (Currency 2018)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Managing-Transitions-25th-anniversary-Making/dp/0738219657">Managing Transitions, 25th Anniversary Edition</a> by William Bridges and Susan Bridges (Da Capo Lifelong Books 2017)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Mindset-Psychology-Carol-S-Dweck/dp/0345472322">Mindset: The New Psychology of Success</a> by Carol Dweck (Ballantine Books 2007)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Previous episodes you may like:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/chip-conley-growing-wise-at-modern-elder-academy/">Chip Conley on Growing Wise at Modern Elder Academy (Part 1): S1 – EP 6</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-7-modern-elders-part-2-four-different-decades-on-transition-and-reinvention/">Four Different Decades on Transition and Reinvention (Part 2): S1 – EP 7</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/island-women-speak-storytelling-stonington-maine/">Island Women Speak: Connection, Truth, and Storytelling in Maine: S1 - EP9</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep18-deer-isles-rene-colson-hudson-on-fighting-pandemic-fatigue-by-helping-others/">Rene Colson Hudson on Pandemic Fatigue: S3 - EP18</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep19-island-women-speak-about-their-pandemic-year/">Island Women Speak About Their Pandemic Year:  S3 - EP19</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>I hope you enjoyed this podcast. Would you please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts/iTunes</a>? It takes less than sixty seconds, and it really makes a difference in attracting new listeners and upcoming guests. I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p>Sign up for occasional updates and get my free writing guide at <a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">http://eepurl.com/qGTP</a></p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com">gapyearaftersixty.com</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife listeners, with a bent towards growth and possibility, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>One of the biggest "gaps" for <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">Debbie </a>this past year was the absence of <strong>Island Women Speak</strong>, the multi-generational women’s storytelling event she has produced and directed on <strong>Deer Isle, Maine.</strong></p><p>For the past three winters, on a cold January night, seven local women representing seven decades from 20s to 80s have bravely stepped on stage to tell revealing five-minute stories about their lives, in the tradition of <strong>Moth storytelling</strong>. The other half of the storytelling equation is the audience: packed into <strong>Stonington, Maine’s historic Opera House</strong> theatre for warmth and intimacy, their presence has never failed to create a safe space for storytelling.</p><p>It has been a special evening that this community has talked about for weeks and months afterwards. It's meant so much to Debbie to work with these extraordinary women and to help make the event happen.</p><p>Well, it was NOT to be in January 2021.</p><p>So she decided to invite three past performers onto the show, representing three different decades (or teams), to get their differing perspectives on this pandemic year and <strong>to offer a taste of the intimacy and wisdom that the audience has loved in the past.</strong> In this short episode, you’ll hear from three women about loneliness and uncertainty but also about resilience and perseverance, the sturdy outlook on life that is typical of Mainers. </p><p>Representing Team 30 is <strong>Amanda Larrabee</strong> who is a landscaper and mother of a teenager.  For Team 50 is <strong>Becky Siebert</strong> who has served the community for decades as a nurse. And for Team 80 is <strong>Lorraine Knowlton</strong>, a retired minister. All three are lifelong residents of Deer Isle, Maine, the remote coastal community that Debbie now calls home.</p><p>Debbie asks each of them a series of questions about their pandemic year:</p><p>- What has been most challenging for you?</p><p>- What is your NEW BEST THING that has come out of this year?</p><p>- What do you want <i>more</i> of?</p><p>- This has been a year of loss, but has it been a lost year for you?</p><p>Tune into this short episode to hear three women, three generations, and three perspectives on the ways we've all experienced this past year and how we are looking ahead.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Watch videos of their  Island Women Speak performances:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://vimeo.com/271938384">Amanda Larrabee</a></li><li><a href="https://vimeo.com/271993291">Becky Siebert</a></li><li><a href="https://vimeo.com/315026097">Lorraine Knowlton</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/island-women-speak/">About Island Women Speak</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/island-women-speak-storytelling-stonington-maine/">S1-EP9: Island Women Speak: Connection, Truth, and Storytelling in Maine</a></li><li><a href="https://www.deerisle.com/">Deer Isle, ME</a></li><li><a href="https://themoth.org/">The Moth</a> (the art and craft of storytelling)</li><li><a href="https://www.ellsworthamerican.com/living/arts-a-living/island-women-speak/">Island Women Speak</a> (article in The Ellsworth American, January 24, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/12/health/covid-pandemic-happiness-age.html?referringSource=articleShare">Why Older People Managed to Stay Happier Through the Pandemic</a> (New York Times, March 12, 2021)</li><li><a>Parents, Stop Talking About the ‘Lost Year’</a> by Judith Warner (NYTimes, April 11, 2021)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>I hope you enjoyed this podcast. Would you please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts/iTunes</a>? It takes less than sixty seconds, and it really makes a difference in attracting new listeners and upcoming guests. I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p>Sign up for occasional updates and get my free writing guide at <a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">http://eepurl.com/qGTP</a></p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>We are looking for a  sponsor</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li><li>Transition Music:<ul><li>Jog to the Water by <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/26425">Blue Dot Sessions</a></li><li>Setting Pace by <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/26429">Blue Dot Sessions</a></li><li>Crumbling Dock by <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/26434">Blue Dot Sessions</a></li></ul></li></ul>
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      <author>wordbiz@gmail.com (Becky Siebert, Lorraine Knowlton, Amanda Larrabee, Debbie Weil)</author>
      <link>https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep19-island-women-speak-about-their-pandemic-year/</link>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the biggest "gaps" for <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">Debbie </a>this past year was the absence of <strong>Island Women Speak</strong>, the multi-generational women’s storytelling event she has produced and directed on <strong>Deer Isle, Maine.</strong></p><p>For the past three winters, on a cold January night, seven local women representing seven decades from 20s to 80s have bravely stepped on stage to tell revealing five-minute stories about their lives, in the tradition of <strong>Moth storytelling</strong>. The other half of the storytelling equation is the audience: packed into <strong>Stonington, Maine’s historic Opera House</strong> theatre for warmth and intimacy, their presence has never failed to create a safe space for storytelling.</p><p>It has been a special evening that this community has talked about for weeks and months afterwards. It's meant so much to Debbie to work with these extraordinary women and to help make the event happen.</p><p>Well, it was NOT to be in January 2021.</p><p>So she decided to invite three past performers onto the show, representing three different decades (or teams), to get their differing perspectives on this pandemic year and <strong>to offer a taste of the intimacy and wisdom that the audience has loved in the past.</strong> In this short episode, you’ll hear from three women about loneliness and uncertainty but also about resilience and perseverance, the sturdy outlook on life that is typical of Mainers. </p><p>Representing Team 30 is <strong>Amanda Larrabee</strong> who is a landscaper and mother of a teenager.  For Team 50 is <strong>Becky Siebert</strong> who has served the community for decades as a nurse. And for Team 80 is <strong>Lorraine Knowlton</strong>, a retired minister. All three are lifelong residents of Deer Isle, Maine, the remote coastal community that Debbie now calls home.</p><p>Debbie asks each of them a series of questions about their pandemic year:</p><p>- What has been most challenging for you?</p><p>- What is your NEW BEST THING that has come out of this year?</p><p>- What do you want <i>more</i> of?</p><p>- This has been a year of loss, but has it been a lost year for you?</p><p>Tune into this short episode to hear three women, three generations, and three perspectives on the ways we've all experienced this past year and how we are looking ahead.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Watch videos of their  Island Women Speak performances:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://vimeo.com/271938384">Amanda Larrabee</a></li><li><a href="https://vimeo.com/271993291">Becky Siebert</a></li><li><a href="https://vimeo.com/315026097">Lorraine Knowlton</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/island-women-speak/">About Island Women Speak</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/island-women-speak-storytelling-stonington-maine/">S1-EP9: Island Women Speak: Connection, Truth, and Storytelling in Maine</a></li><li><a href="https://www.deerisle.com/">Deer Isle, ME</a></li><li><a href="https://themoth.org/">The Moth</a> (the art and craft of storytelling)</li><li><a href="https://www.ellsworthamerican.com/living/arts-a-living/island-women-speak/">Island Women Speak</a> (article in The Ellsworth American, January 24, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/12/health/covid-pandemic-happiness-age.html?referringSource=articleShare">Why Older People Managed to Stay Happier Through the Pandemic</a> (New York Times, March 12, 2021)</li><li><a>Parents, Stop Talking About the ‘Lost Year’</a> by Judith Warner (NYTimes, April 11, 2021)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>I hope you enjoyed this podcast. Would you please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts/iTunes</a>? It takes less than sixty seconds, and it really makes a difference in attracting new listeners and upcoming guests. I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p>Sign up for occasional updates and get my free writing guide at <a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">http://eepurl.com/qGTP</a></p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>We are looking for a  sponsor</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>How to support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li><li>Transition Music:<ul><li>Jog to the Water by <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/26425">Blue Dot Sessions</a></li><li>Setting Pace by <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/26429">Blue Dot Sessions</a></li><li>Crumbling Dock by <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/26434">Blue Dot Sessions</a></li></ul></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Today, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">Debbie</a> talks to <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/rene-colson-hudson-805a596/">Rene Colson Hudson</a>, executive director of the <a href="https://healthyislandproject.org/who-we-are/">Healthy Island Project</a> on <a href="https://www.deerisle.com/">Deer Isle, Maine</a>. The two of them delve into something that many are grappling with right now:  pandemic fatigue. Or burnout or the pandemic wall, or whatever you want to call it. Debbie recently asked the question on her Facebook page: "Are you suffering from pandemic fatigue?" She was surprised by the several dozen responses she got saying, "Why, yes, I am!"  Which got her to thinking. Even with vaccines becoming readily available for anyone of any age, in many states - a cause for celebration - many continue to feel weary and depleted by this long year and the sameness of our days.</p><p>That includes Debbie who also admits that she is suffering from crankiness and impatience. So she went looking for a little pep talk. Rene has been at the center of COVID relief efforts on Deer Isle over the past 12 months, overseeing a lunch and dinner program that serves over 100 elderly residents every week. The Healthy Island Project is a nonprofit that focuses on improving community health and that brings together a cross section of Stonington / Deer Isle, Maine residents. The organization has grown fivefold since the beginning of the pandemic. Money has come pouring in from supporters, Rene told Debbie, and she is busier than ever.</p><p>Rene moved full-time from New Jersey to Deer Isle five years ago. She is an ordained minister and has studied leadership and contemplative practices. And she offers both a practical and a soulful approach to thinking about pandemic fatigue. She reminds us to be more mindful of the little things, to practice gratitude, and to find ways to help others. As an example, the Healthy Island Project put Debbie in touch with an elderly gentleman who, without an Internet connection or a computer, needed help making a vaccine appointment. He and Debbie became phone buddies. She and Rene reflect on how gratifying such a  small act can be.</p><p><strong>What they talked about:</strong></p><ul><li>Rene’s definition of pandemic fatigue: she emphasizes the word "sameness"</li><li>Why there is a strong sense of fatigue now, even as things are starting to look up</li><li>What Rene misses most about traveling</li><li>How Rene sees pandemic fatigue in the community: the toll it's taking on high schoolers and on elderly residents</li><li>The importance of awareness and mindfulness of the little things</li><li>The practice of gratitude and the adventure of going nowhere</li><li>Rene’s antidote to pandemic fatigue: serving others</li></ul><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/rene-colson-hudson-805a596/">Rene Colson Hudson</a></li><li><a href="https://healthyislandproject.org/">Healthy Island Project | A nonprofit enhancing the health of Deer Isle</a></li><li><a href="https://www.deerisle.com/">Deer Isle, Maine</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/03/business/pandemic-burnout-productivity.html?">We Have All Hit a Wall: Confronting Late Stage Pandemic Burnout</a> by Sarah Lyall (NYTimes, April 2, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.salon.com/2021/03/18/its-not-just-you-why-everyone-is-super-exhausted-right-now/?fbclid=IwAR0cjduP7tcMVbUGyLTHd_fOdOoidx04G_t7stf3XY8LlqKm_aRXwh6bTgU">It's not just you: why everyone is super exhausted right now</a> by Nicole Karlis (Salon, March 18, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.wellandgood.com/pandemic-burnout/">Hitting Your Pandemic Wall? You're Certainty Not Alone</a> by  Erin Bunch (Well + Good, Feb. 3, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/pico_iyer_the_art_of_stillness?language=en#t-60019">Pico Iyer: The Art of Stillness (TED Talk)</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/27/at-home/how-to-write-a-gratitude-letter.html">How to Write a Gratitude Letter</a> (New York Times, Feb. 27, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2021/02/14-fixes-for-pandemic-monotony/618134/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=atlantic-daily-newsletter&utm_content=20210315&silverid-ref=MzEwMTU3NjYxODkxS0">14 Fixes for Pandemic Monotony</a> (The Atlantic, Feb. 24, 2021)</li></ul><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>I hope you enjoyed this podcast. Would you please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts/iTunes</a>? It takes less than sixty seconds, and it really makes a difference in attracting new listeners and upcoming guests. I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p>Sign up for occasional updates and get my free writing guide at <a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">http://eepurl.com/qGTP</a></p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p><strong>We are looking for a like-minded sponsor</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">Debbie</a> talks to <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/rene-colson-hudson-805a596/">Rene Colson Hudson</a>, executive director of the <a href="https://healthyislandproject.org/who-we-are/">Healthy Island Project</a> on <a href="https://www.deerisle.com/">Deer Isle, Maine</a>. The two of them delve into something that many are grappling with right now:  pandemic fatigue. Or burnout or the pandemic wall, or whatever you want to call it. Debbie recently asked the question on her Facebook page: "Are you suffering from pandemic fatigue?" She was surprised by the several dozen responses she got saying, "Why, yes, I am!"  Which got her to thinking. Even with vaccines becoming readily available for anyone of any age, in many states - a cause for celebration - many continue to feel weary and depleted by this long year and the sameness of our days.</p><p>That includes Debbie who also admits that she is suffering from crankiness and impatience. So she went looking for a little pep talk. Rene has been at the center of COVID relief efforts on Deer Isle over the past 12 months, overseeing a lunch and dinner program that serves over 100 elderly residents every week. The Healthy Island Project is a nonprofit that focuses on improving community health and that brings together a cross section of Stonington / Deer Isle, Maine residents. The organization has grown fivefold since the beginning of the pandemic. Money has come pouring in from supporters, Rene told Debbie, and she is busier than ever.</p><p>Rene moved full-time from New Jersey to Deer Isle five years ago. She is an ordained minister and has studied leadership and contemplative practices. And she offers both a practical and a soulful approach to thinking about pandemic fatigue. She reminds us to be more mindful of the little things, to practice gratitude, and to find ways to help others. As an example, the Healthy Island Project put Debbie in touch with an elderly gentleman who, without an Internet connection or a computer, needed help making a vaccine appointment. He and Debbie became phone buddies. She and Rene reflect on how gratifying such a  small act can be.</p><p><strong>What they talked about:</strong></p><ul><li>Rene’s definition of pandemic fatigue: she emphasizes the word "sameness"</li><li>Why there is a strong sense of fatigue now, even as things are starting to look up</li><li>What Rene misses most about traveling</li><li>How Rene sees pandemic fatigue in the community: the toll it's taking on high schoolers and on elderly residents</li><li>The importance of awareness and mindfulness of the little things</li><li>The practice of gratitude and the adventure of going nowhere</li><li>Rene’s antidote to pandemic fatigue: serving others</li></ul><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/rene-colson-hudson-805a596/">Rene Colson Hudson</a></li><li><a href="https://healthyislandproject.org/">Healthy Island Project | A nonprofit enhancing the health of Deer Isle</a></li><li><a href="https://www.deerisle.com/">Deer Isle, Maine</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/03/business/pandemic-burnout-productivity.html?">We Have All Hit a Wall: Confronting Late Stage Pandemic Burnout</a> by Sarah Lyall (NYTimes, April 2, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.salon.com/2021/03/18/its-not-just-you-why-everyone-is-super-exhausted-right-now/?fbclid=IwAR0cjduP7tcMVbUGyLTHd_fOdOoidx04G_t7stf3XY8LlqKm_aRXwh6bTgU">It's not just you: why everyone is super exhausted right now</a> by Nicole Karlis (Salon, March 18, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.wellandgood.com/pandemic-burnout/">Hitting Your Pandemic Wall? You're Certainty Not Alone</a> by  Erin Bunch (Well + Good, Feb. 3, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/pico_iyer_the_art_of_stillness?language=en#t-60019">Pico Iyer: The Art of Stillness (TED Talk)</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/27/at-home/how-to-write-a-gratitude-letter.html">How to Write a Gratitude Letter</a> (New York Times, Feb. 27, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2021/02/14-fixes-for-pandemic-monotony/618134/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=atlantic-daily-newsletter&utm_content=20210315&silverid-ref=MzEwMTU3NjYxODkxS0">14 Fixes for Pandemic Monotony</a> (The Atlantic, Feb. 24, 2021)</li></ul><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>I hope you enjoyed this podcast. Would you please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts/iTunes</a>? It takes less than sixty seconds, and it really makes a difference in attracting new listeners and upcoming guests. I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p>Sign up for occasional updates and get my free writing guide at <a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">http://eepurl.com/qGTP</a></p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p><strong>We are looking for a like-minded sponsor</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Today, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">Debbie Weil</a> has a conversation with Maine’s Poet Laureate Stuart Kestenbaum. Whether or not you're a fan of reading or writing poetry, you won't want to miss this episode. Stuart tells stories in his soothing, often humorous style, including what led him to decide to become a poet and how he fell in love with  Maine. They talk about listening to poems read aloud and how that slows time down and creates a moment of community. They also talk about his process of discovery when he is writing poems. </p><p>The topics they touch on: community and connection, love and loss, grief and creativity are relevant to this pandemic gap year. </p><p>Stuart is the author of five collections of poems, most recently <i>Things Seemed to Be Breaking</i> (Deerbrook Editions 2021), and a collection of essays <i>The View from Here</i> (Brynmorgen Press). He was the director of the internationally renowned <a href="https://www.haystack-mtn.org/">Haystack Mountain School of Crafts</a> from 1988 until 2015. He was the host of Maine Public Radio’s popular program <a href="https://www.mainepublic.org/programs/poems-here-maine-poet-laureate-stuart-kestenbaum"><i>Poems from Here</i></a><i>,</i> where each week he read aloud a poem by a Maine author. He hosted/curated the podcast <a href="http://www.craftschools.us/podcast.html">Make/Time</a> and he is the host/curator of a soon-to-be-released podcast, <i>Voices of the Future,</i> a series of conversations with a dozen young Maine writers about their writing and their lives. This 12-episode podcast is his last project as <a href="https://www.pressherald.com/2016/03/24/stu-kestenbaum-named-maines-new-poet-laureate/#:~:text=Stuart%20Kestenbaum%2C%20the%20former%20director,role%20the%20past%20five%20years.">Maine’s Poet Laureate</a> as his five-year tenure, sadly, is coming to an end in 2021.</p><p>He also reads two of his poems on this episode, including one of Debbie's favorites, <a href="https://writersalmanac.publicradio.org/index.php%3Fdate=2005%252F01%252F05.html">Starting the Subaru at Five Below</a>. As former U.S. Poet Laureate Ted Kooser has written: “Stuart Kestenbaum writes the kind of poems I love to read, heartfelt responses to the privilege of having been given a life.  No hidden agendas here, no theories to espouse, nothing but life, pure life, set down with craft and love.” </p><p>See below for  links to Stuart’s poetry collections, his podcasts, stage performances and more. He writes and speaks widely on craft-making and creativity. His poems and writing have appeared in numerous small press publications and magazines including <i>Tikkun</i>, <i>The Sun</i>, <i>The Beloit Poetry Journal</i>, <i>The New York Times Magazine</i>, and on the <i>Writer’s Almanac</i> and <i>American Life in Poetry.</i></p><p>This was a wonderful conversation. </p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><p><a href="https://stuartkestenbaum.com/">Stuart Kestenbaum</a></p><p><a href="https://www.mainepublic.org/programs/poems-here-maine-poet-laureate-stuart-kestenbaum">Poems from Here with Maine Poet Laureate Stuart Kestenbaum</a>, on Maine Public Radio</p><p><a href="https://www.pressherald.com/2021/03/07/for-final-project-maine-poet-laureate-puts-out-podcast-featuring-young-writers/">For final project, Maine poet laureate puts out podcast featuring young writers</a> by Bob Keyes, Portland Press-Herald, March 7, 2021</p><p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/25/us/words-of-gratitude-from-maine.html">Words of Gratitude From Maine</a>, New York Times, Nov. 25, 2020</p><p><a href="http://www.craftschools.us/podcast.html">Make/Time Podcast</a></p><p><a href="https://writersalmanac.publicradio.org/index.php%3Fdate=2005%252F01%252F05.html">Starting the Subaru at Five Below</a> by Stuart Kestenbaum</p><p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/29/magazine/poem-amen.html">Amen</a>, Stuart's poem selected by Naomi Shihab Nye for the New York Times, Jan. 2, 2020</p><p><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/42860/sometime-during-eternity-">Sometime during eternity...</a> by <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/lawrence-ferlinghetti">Lawrence Ferlinghetti</a></p><p><a href="http://www.phys.unm.edu/~tw/fas/yits/archive/oliver_wildgeese.html">Wild Geese</a> by Mary Oliver</p><p><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/48858/out-of-the-cradle-endlessly-rocking">Out of the Cradle Endlessly Rocking</a> by Walt Whitman</p><p><a href="https://www.hamilton.edu/about/history/memorial-minutes/fred-wagner">Professor Fred Wagner</a></p><p><a href="https://www.themainemag.com/maine-live/stuart-kestenbaum-maines-poet-laureate/">Stuart Kestenbaum's talk at Maine Live about his brother Howard who died in the Twin Towers on 9/11</a></p><p><a href="http://susanwebster.net/">Susan Webster:  </a>Stuart’s wife and collaborator on art & writing:</p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Lake_(Maine)">Long Lake, Naples, Maine</a></p><p><a href="https://acadiamagic.com/CadillacMountain.html">Cadillac Mountain, Acadia National Park</a></p><p><a href="https://www.haystack-mtn.org/">Haystack Mountain School of Crafts</a></p><p><a href="https://www.tellingroom.org/">The Telling Room, Portland, Maine</a></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>I hope you enjoyed this podcast. Would you please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts/iTunes</a>? It takes less than sixty seconds, and it really makes a difference in attracting new listeners and upcoming guests. I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p>Sign up for occasional updates and get my free writing guide at <a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">http://eepurl.com/qGTP</a></p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>WE ARE LOOKING FOR A SPONSOR</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! 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      <pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2021 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>wordbiz@gmail.com (Debbie Weil, Stuart Kestenbaum)</author>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">Debbie Weil</a> has a conversation with Maine’s Poet Laureate Stuart Kestenbaum. Whether or not you're a fan of reading or writing poetry, you won't want to miss this episode. Stuart tells stories in his soothing, often humorous style, including what led him to decide to become a poet and how he fell in love with  Maine. They talk about listening to poems read aloud and how that slows time down and creates a moment of community. They also talk about his process of discovery when he is writing poems. </p><p>The topics they touch on: community and connection, love and loss, grief and creativity are relevant to this pandemic gap year. </p><p>Stuart is the author of five collections of poems, most recently <i>Things Seemed to Be Breaking</i> (Deerbrook Editions 2021), and a collection of essays <i>The View from Here</i> (Brynmorgen Press). He was the director of the internationally renowned <a href="https://www.haystack-mtn.org/">Haystack Mountain School of Crafts</a> from 1988 until 2015. He was the host of Maine Public Radio’s popular program <a href="https://www.mainepublic.org/programs/poems-here-maine-poet-laureate-stuart-kestenbaum"><i>Poems from Here</i></a><i>,</i> where each week he read aloud a poem by a Maine author. He hosted/curated the podcast <a href="http://www.craftschools.us/podcast.html">Make/Time</a> and he is the host/curator of a soon-to-be-released podcast, <i>Voices of the Future,</i> a series of conversations with a dozen young Maine writers about their writing and their lives. This 12-episode podcast is his last project as <a href="https://www.pressherald.com/2016/03/24/stu-kestenbaum-named-maines-new-poet-laureate/#:~:text=Stuart%20Kestenbaum%2C%20the%20former%20director,role%20the%20past%20five%20years.">Maine’s Poet Laureate</a> as his five-year tenure, sadly, is coming to an end in 2021.</p><p>He also reads two of his poems on this episode, including one of Debbie's favorites, <a href="https://writersalmanac.publicradio.org/index.php%3Fdate=2005%252F01%252F05.html">Starting the Subaru at Five Below</a>. As former U.S. Poet Laureate Ted Kooser has written: “Stuart Kestenbaum writes the kind of poems I love to read, heartfelt responses to the privilege of having been given a life.  No hidden agendas here, no theories to espouse, nothing but life, pure life, set down with craft and love.” </p><p>See below for  links to Stuart’s poetry collections, his podcasts, stage performances and more. He writes and speaks widely on craft-making and creativity. His poems and writing have appeared in numerous small press publications and magazines including <i>Tikkun</i>, <i>The Sun</i>, <i>The Beloit Poetry Journal</i>, <i>The New York Times Magazine</i>, and on the <i>Writer’s Almanac</i> and <i>American Life in Poetry.</i></p><p>This was a wonderful conversation. </p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><p><a href="https://stuartkestenbaum.com/">Stuart Kestenbaum</a></p><p><a href="https://www.mainepublic.org/programs/poems-here-maine-poet-laureate-stuart-kestenbaum">Poems from Here with Maine Poet Laureate Stuart Kestenbaum</a>, on Maine Public Radio</p><p><a href="https://www.pressherald.com/2021/03/07/for-final-project-maine-poet-laureate-puts-out-podcast-featuring-young-writers/">For final project, Maine poet laureate puts out podcast featuring young writers</a> by Bob Keyes, Portland Press-Herald, March 7, 2021</p><p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/25/us/words-of-gratitude-from-maine.html">Words of Gratitude From Maine</a>, New York Times, Nov. 25, 2020</p><p><a href="http://www.craftschools.us/podcast.html">Make/Time Podcast</a></p><p><a href="https://writersalmanac.publicradio.org/index.php%3Fdate=2005%252F01%252F05.html">Starting the Subaru at Five Below</a> by Stuart Kestenbaum</p><p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/29/magazine/poem-amen.html">Amen</a>, Stuart's poem selected by Naomi Shihab Nye for the New York Times, Jan. 2, 2020</p><p><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/42860/sometime-during-eternity-">Sometime during eternity...</a> by <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/lawrence-ferlinghetti">Lawrence Ferlinghetti</a></p><p><a href="http://www.phys.unm.edu/~tw/fas/yits/archive/oliver_wildgeese.html">Wild Geese</a> by Mary Oliver</p><p><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/48858/out-of-the-cradle-endlessly-rocking">Out of the Cradle Endlessly Rocking</a> by Walt Whitman</p><p><a href="https://www.hamilton.edu/about/history/memorial-minutes/fred-wagner">Professor Fred Wagner</a></p><p><a href="https://www.themainemag.com/maine-live/stuart-kestenbaum-maines-poet-laureate/">Stuart Kestenbaum's talk at Maine Live about his brother Howard who died in the Twin Towers on 9/11</a></p><p><a href="http://susanwebster.net/">Susan Webster:  </a>Stuart’s wife and collaborator on art & writing:</p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Lake_(Maine)">Long Lake, Naples, Maine</a></p><p><a href="https://acadiamagic.com/CadillacMountain.html">Cadillac Mountain, Acadia National Park</a></p><p><a href="https://www.haystack-mtn.org/">Haystack Mountain School of Crafts</a></p><p><a href="https://www.tellingroom.org/">The Telling Room, Portland, Maine</a></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>I hope you enjoyed this podcast. Would you please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts/iTunes</a>? It takes less than sixty seconds, and it really makes a difference in attracting new listeners and upcoming guests. I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p>Sign up for occasional updates and get my free writing guide at <a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">http://eepurl.com/qGTP</a></p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>WE ARE LOOKING FOR A SPONSOR</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <title>Debbie &amp; Sam on Fasting For Five Days and Why They Were Crazy Enough To Do It</title>
      <description><![CDATA[<p>Today, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">Debbie Weil</a> brings her husband <a href="https://samharrington.com/sam-harrington-md/">Sam Harrington</a>, a retired physician, back on the show to talk about fasting. One year ago the couple completed a five-day fast using a <a href="https://prolonfmd.com/">ProLon</a> kit of dried soups and crackers. This year, after packing on the pounds during the stay-at-home pandemic holidays, they decided to repeat the fast. </p><p>And this time, Debbie took notes to record the experience.  If you’ve listened to the pair kibitz in earlier episodes, it will be no surprise that they experienced the fast differently. They talk about what the fast felt like day by day (it was harder for Debbie) and what the possible benefits are in addition to losing weight. </p><p>A month later, both are a number of pounds lighter (about four for Debbie; eight for Sam). And they've mostly kept the weight off. Debbie finds herself eating smaller portions and neither is snacking between meals.  Desserts and sweets still call to Debbie but she recognizes that the craving for sugar is not one that can be cured in five days or even a month.</p><p><strong>Both agree that the fast led to a successful reset of their eating habits.</strong></p><p>They talk about the science behind fasting and about something called <strong>intermittent fasting </strong>which means<strong> </strong>shortening the span of hours in the day during which you eat.<strong> </strong>16 hours of fasting vs. 8 hours of "eating" is a typical ratio.<strong> </strong>That could mean skipping breakfast and eating only between 12 noon and 8 PM.<strong> </strong>And they speculate on whether fasting and intermittent fasting are merely the latest fad. If you’ve ever wondered what it would be like to fast and why you might want to do it, this is a conversation for you. </p><p> </p><p><strong>Debbie's day-by-day fasting notes:</strong></p><p><strong>DAY 1: </strong>light-headed and mentally fuzzy.<br /><br /><strong>DAY 2: </strong>8:30 AM weak and sluggish; 1 PM fatigued and sluggish, as if I'm operating at 1/3 speed; 4:30 PM this is painful. Back hurts, muscles ache, dizzy, drowsy, and IRRITABLE.<br /><br /><strong>DAY 3: </strong>feeling better, not so achey.<br /><br /><strong>DAY 4: </strong>light-headed, fatigued, dreaming of the food I will eat when this is over; this feels never ending.<br /><br /><strong>DAY 5:</strong>  feel debilitated and so weak; fuzzy thinking is really a problem; NEVER AGAIN. (Of course, I said that each time after giving birth.)<br /> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://prolonfmd.com/">ProLon Fasting Mimicking Diet -The 5-Day Fasting Diet</a></li><li><a href="https://www.healthline.com/health/autophagy">Definition of autophagy</a></li><li><a href="https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/intermittent-fasting-surprising-update-2018062914156">Intermittent fasting: Surprising update</a> (Harvard Health Blog, February 10, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/can-scheduled-fasting-improve-your-health">Can scheduled fasting improve your health?</a> (Harvard Health Blog, May 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/should-you-try-fasting">Should you try fasting?</a> (Harvard Health Blog, August 2020)</li><li><a href="https://whole30.com/whole30-program-rules/">The Whole30® Program</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Previous episodes featuring host Debbie and her husband Sam:</strong></p><ul><li>S2-EP24: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep24-debbie-sam-on-the-gap-year-for-everyone-silver-linings-not-shoulding-and-season-3/">Debbie & Sam on the Gap Year For Everyone, Silver Linings, and Not Should'ing</a></li><li>S2-EP18: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep18-debbie-sam-on-the-new-normal-quarantines-immunity-passports-and-masks-gloves/">Debbie & Sam on the New Normal, Quarantines, Immunity Passports, and Masks & Gloves</a></li><li>S2-EP12: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep12-debbie-sam-on-the-coronavirus-magical-thinking-and-aging/">Debbie & Sam on the Coronavirus, Magical Thinking, and Aging</a></li><li>S1-EP10: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-10-our-bucket-list-debbie-and-sam-live-in-france/">On Debbie & Sam's Bucket List: Living in France</a></li><li>S1-EP2: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-2-deciding-to-take-a-gap-year-at-62/">Debbie & Sam on How They Decided to Take a Gap Year at Age 62</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>PHOTO:</strong> Definition of crazy? Debbie and Sam's visiting grand puppy leaping into the freezing waters of a Maine winter.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>I hope you enjoyed this podcast. Would you please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts/iTunes</a>? It takes less than sixty seconds, and it really makes a difference in attracting new listeners and upcoming guests. I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p>Sign up for occasional updates and get my free writing guide at <a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">http://eepurl.com/qGTP</a></p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>WE ARE LOOKING FOR A SPONSOR</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2021 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>wordbiz@gmail.com (Sam Harrington, Debbie Weil)</author>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">Debbie Weil</a> brings her husband <a href="https://samharrington.com/sam-harrington-md/">Sam Harrington</a>, a retired physician, back on the show to talk about fasting. One year ago the couple completed a five-day fast using a <a href="https://prolonfmd.com/">ProLon</a> kit of dried soups and crackers. This year, after packing on the pounds during the stay-at-home pandemic holidays, they decided to repeat the fast. </p><p>And this time, Debbie took notes to record the experience.  If you’ve listened to the pair kibitz in earlier episodes, it will be no surprise that they experienced the fast differently. They talk about what the fast felt like day by day (it was harder for Debbie) and what the possible benefits are in addition to losing weight. </p><p>A month later, both are a number of pounds lighter (about four for Debbie; eight for Sam). And they've mostly kept the weight off. Debbie finds herself eating smaller portions and neither is snacking between meals.  Desserts and sweets still call to Debbie but she recognizes that the craving for sugar is not one that can be cured in five days or even a month.</p><p><strong>Both agree that the fast led to a successful reset of their eating habits.</strong></p><p>They talk about the science behind fasting and about something called <strong>intermittent fasting </strong>which means<strong> </strong>shortening the span of hours in the day during which you eat.<strong> </strong>16 hours of fasting vs. 8 hours of "eating" is a typical ratio.<strong> </strong>That could mean skipping breakfast and eating only between 12 noon and 8 PM.<strong> </strong>And they speculate on whether fasting and intermittent fasting are merely the latest fad. If you’ve ever wondered what it would be like to fast and why you might want to do it, this is a conversation for you. </p><p> </p><p><strong>Debbie's day-by-day fasting notes:</strong></p><p><strong>DAY 1: </strong>light-headed and mentally fuzzy.<br /><br /><strong>DAY 2: </strong>8:30 AM weak and sluggish; 1 PM fatigued and sluggish, as if I'm operating at 1/3 speed; 4:30 PM this is painful. Back hurts, muscles ache, dizzy, drowsy, and IRRITABLE.<br /><br /><strong>DAY 3: </strong>feeling better, not so achey.<br /><br /><strong>DAY 4: </strong>light-headed, fatigued, dreaming of the food I will eat when this is over; this feels never ending.<br /><br /><strong>DAY 5:</strong>  feel debilitated and so weak; fuzzy thinking is really a problem; NEVER AGAIN. (Of course, I said that each time after giving birth.)<br /> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://prolonfmd.com/">ProLon Fasting Mimicking Diet -The 5-Day Fasting Diet</a></li><li><a href="https://www.healthline.com/health/autophagy">Definition of autophagy</a></li><li><a href="https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/intermittent-fasting-surprising-update-2018062914156">Intermittent fasting: Surprising update</a> (Harvard Health Blog, February 10, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/can-scheduled-fasting-improve-your-health">Can scheduled fasting improve your health?</a> (Harvard Health Blog, May 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/should-you-try-fasting">Should you try fasting?</a> (Harvard Health Blog, August 2020)</li><li><a href="https://whole30.com/whole30-program-rules/">The Whole30® Program</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Previous episodes featuring host Debbie and her husband Sam:</strong></p><ul><li>S2-EP24: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep24-debbie-sam-on-the-gap-year-for-everyone-silver-linings-not-shoulding-and-season-3/">Debbie & Sam on the Gap Year For Everyone, Silver Linings, and Not Should'ing</a></li><li>S2-EP18: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep18-debbie-sam-on-the-new-normal-quarantines-immunity-passports-and-masks-gloves/">Debbie & Sam on the New Normal, Quarantines, Immunity Passports, and Masks & Gloves</a></li><li>S2-EP12: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep12-debbie-sam-on-the-coronavirus-magical-thinking-and-aging/">Debbie & Sam on the Coronavirus, Magical Thinking, and Aging</a></li><li>S1-EP10: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-10-our-bucket-list-debbie-and-sam-live-in-france/">On Debbie & Sam's Bucket List: Living in France</a></li><li>S1-EP2: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-2-deciding-to-take-a-gap-year-at-62/">Debbie & Sam on How They Decided to Take a Gap Year at Age 62</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>PHOTO:</strong> Definition of crazy? Debbie and Sam's visiting grand puppy leaping into the freezing waters of a Maine winter.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>I hope you enjoyed this podcast. Would you please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts/iTunes</a>? It takes less than sixty seconds, and it really makes a difference in attracting new listeners and upcoming guests. I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p>Sign up for occasional updates and get my free writing guide at <a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">http://eepurl.com/qGTP</a></p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>WE ARE LOOKING FOR A SPONSOR</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie talks to <a href="https://encore.org/">Encore.org</a>'s <a href="https://encore.org/marci-alboher/">Marci Alboher</a> and <a href="https://encore.org/aanchal-dhar/">Aanchal Dhar</a> about intergenerational  collaboration: how it works for them as a GenX and Millennial pair and how connecting different ages can address some of the biggest issues this country is facing right now, from pandemic loneliness to the political divide to the climate crisis.</p><p>Marci, Encore's Vice President of Narrative Change, is 54. Aanchal, Encore's Communications Strategist for Programs, is 39. The two have been collaborating for seven years in their work for this well-known nonprofit, which is partially responsible for the midlife reinvention movement.</p><p>Encore originally focussed on the second half of life.  More recently the group has turned to a focus on bridging divides and connecting generations to create a better future. That's a big goal. Encore calls it a movement. So Debbie asks Marci and Aanchal, in turn, why it's so important to bridge the demographic divide in the workplace, in communities, in our personal lives. The answer: connecting different ages, races, and genders creates value. Younger people bring a fresh perspective, seeing things for the first time. Older people have lived through crises and challenges (the unrest of the 60s, for example) and they bring a different lived experience. Together they can solve big problems.   </p><p>They also talk about "perennials," a term Debbie loves. It means people with a mindset of being hungry and curious and always wanting to learn regardless of age or generation. Curiosity is key to conversations with those who are different from you. And they talk about civic community, what that means, and why the virtual program Aanchal started has been so important during the pandemic.</p><p>Be sure to check out the links to articles Marci and Aanchal have written, as well as to Encore's many resources and programs.  </p><p> </p><p><strong>USEFUL LINKS</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/heymarci">Marci Alboher on Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/aanchieD">Aanchal Dhar on Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/sophia-lorens-new-film-shows-the-power-that-comes-with-age/">Sophia Loren's New Film Shows the Power of Age</a> by Marci Alboher (Next Avenue, Dec. 9, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/find_purpose_by_connecting_across_the_generations">Find Purpose By Connecting Across Generations</a> by Marci Alboher (Greater Good, July 20, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/how_im_finding_purpose_and_connection_in_a_pandemic">How I'm Finding Purpose and Connection in a Pandemic</a> by Aanchal Dhar (Greater Good, May 1, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://thriveglobal.com/stories/10-organizations-connecting-generations-during-the-pandemic/">Ten Organizations Connecting Generations During the Pandemic</a> by Aanchal Dhar (Thrive Global, July 15, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.mightyforces.co/blog/2020/10/30/pandemic-stories-meet-champion-for-civic-community-aanchal-dhar">Meet champion for civic community Aanchal Dhar: "turn anxiety into action"</a></li><li><a href="https://citizenuniversity.us/civic-saturday/">Civic Saturday</a></li><li><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2019/12/09/differences-get-overlooked-how-people-their-s-swap-clothes-with-people-their-s/">How people in their 20s swap clothes with people in their 70s</a> (Marci's clothing swap written up in the Washington Post, Dec. 9, 2019)</li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-12-marc-freedman-on-how-to-live-forever-its-not-what-you-think/">S1-EP12 of the podcast: Interview with Marc Freedman, Encore's founder</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Encore-Career-Handbook-Living-Difference/dp/0761167625/">The Encore Career Handbook: How to Make a Living and a Difference in the Second Half of Life </a>by Marci Alboher (Workman Publishing, 2012)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Partial List of Encore's Programs and Resources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://encore.org/a-long-list-of-free-resources-to-help-you-get-through-this-crisis/">Encore's list of pandemic resources</a> (including volunteer opportunities connecting young and old)</li><li><a href="https://encore.org/gen2gen-innovation-fellowship/">Encore's Gen2Gen Innovation Fellowship</a></li><li><a href="https://encore.org/public-voices-fellowship/">Encore's 2020-2021 Public Voices Fellowship</a></li><li><a href="https://generationtogeneration.org/encoreprize/">Encore's Gen2Gen Prize</a></li><li><a href="https://encore.org/for-encore-leaders/">More Encore resources</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.newsweek.com/vaccine-corps-intergenerational-1560151">A Dedicated COVID Vaccine Corps</a> (Newsweek, Jan. 8, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.thewhatlist.com/daily/what-is-a-perennial">What is a Perennial?</a> (term coined by Gina Pell)</li><li><a href="https://www.mylifemystories.org/">My Life, My Stories</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maggie_Kuhn">Maggie Kuhn,</a> founder of the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_Panthers">Gray Panthers</a></li><li><a href="https://encore.org/phyllis-segal/">Phyllis Segal</a></li><li><a href="https://encore.org/charlotte-japp/">Charlotte Japp,</a> founder of <a href="https://www.cirkel.world/">CIRKEL</a></li><li><a href="https://encore.org/brittany-t-paschall/">Brittany T. Paschall,</a> founder of <a href="https://www.weremembernashville.org/">We Remember Nashville</a></li><li><a href="https://encore.org/sarah-lafave/">Sarah LaFave,</a> founder of <a href="https://www.lorishands.org/">Lori's Hands</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>I hope you enjoyed this podcast. Would you please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts/iTunes</a>? It takes less than sixty seconds, and it really makes a difference in attracting new listeners and upcoming guests. I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p>Sign up for occasional updates and get my free writing guide at <a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">http://eepurl.com/qGTP</a></p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>WE ARE LOOKING FOR A SPONSOR</strong></p><p><strong>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners,</strong> <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/"><strong>contact Debbie Weil</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <author>wordbiz@gmail.com (Marci Alboher, Debbie Weil, Aanchal Dhar)</author>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie talks to <a href="https://encore.org/">Encore.org</a>'s <a href="https://encore.org/marci-alboher/">Marci Alboher</a> and <a href="https://encore.org/aanchal-dhar/">Aanchal Dhar</a> about intergenerational  collaboration: how it works for them as a GenX and Millennial pair and how connecting different ages can address some of the biggest issues this country is facing right now, from pandemic loneliness to the political divide to the climate crisis.</p><p>Marci, Encore's Vice President of Narrative Change, is 54. Aanchal, Encore's Communications Strategist for Programs, is 39. The two have been collaborating for seven years in their work for this well-known nonprofit, which is partially responsible for the midlife reinvention movement.</p><p>Encore originally focussed on the second half of life.  More recently the group has turned to a focus on bridging divides and connecting generations to create a better future. That's a big goal. Encore calls it a movement. So Debbie asks Marci and Aanchal, in turn, why it's so important to bridge the demographic divide in the workplace, in communities, in our personal lives. The answer: connecting different ages, races, and genders creates value. Younger people bring a fresh perspective, seeing things for the first time. Older people have lived through crises and challenges (the unrest of the 60s, for example) and they bring a different lived experience. Together they can solve big problems.   </p><p>They also talk about "perennials," a term Debbie loves. It means people with a mindset of being hungry and curious and always wanting to learn regardless of age or generation. Curiosity is key to conversations with those who are different from you. And they talk about civic community, what that means, and why the virtual program Aanchal started has been so important during the pandemic.</p><p>Be sure to check out the links to articles Marci and Aanchal have written, as well as to Encore's many resources and programs.  </p><p> </p><p><strong>USEFUL LINKS</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/heymarci">Marci Alboher on Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/aanchieD">Aanchal Dhar on Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/sophia-lorens-new-film-shows-the-power-that-comes-with-age/">Sophia Loren's New Film Shows the Power of Age</a> by Marci Alboher (Next Avenue, Dec. 9, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/find_purpose_by_connecting_across_the_generations">Find Purpose By Connecting Across Generations</a> by Marci Alboher (Greater Good, July 20, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/how_im_finding_purpose_and_connection_in_a_pandemic">How I'm Finding Purpose and Connection in a Pandemic</a> by Aanchal Dhar (Greater Good, May 1, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://thriveglobal.com/stories/10-organizations-connecting-generations-during-the-pandemic/">Ten Organizations Connecting Generations During the Pandemic</a> by Aanchal Dhar (Thrive Global, July 15, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.mightyforces.co/blog/2020/10/30/pandemic-stories-meet-champion-for-civic-community-aanchal-dhar">Meet champion for civic community Aanchal Dhar: "turn anxiety into action"</a></li><li><a href="https://citizenuniversity.us/civic-saturday/">Civic Saturday</a></li><li><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2019/12/09/differences-get-overlooked-how-people-their-s-swap-clothes-with-people-their-s/">How people in their 20s swap clothes with people in their 70s</a> (Marci's clothing swap written up in the Washington Post, Dec. 9, 2019)</li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-12-marc-freedman-on-how-to-live-forever-its-not-what-you-think/">S1-EP12 of the podcast: Interview with Marc Freedman, Encore's founder</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Encore-Career-Handbook-Living-Difference/dp/0761167625/">The Encore Career Handbook: How to Make a Living and a Difference in the Second Half of Life </a>by Marci Alboher (Workman Publishing, 2012)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Partial List of Encore's Programs and Resources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://encore.org/a-long-list-of-free-resources-to-help-you-get-through-this-crisis/">Encore's list of pandemic resources</a> (including volunteer opportunities connecting young and old)</li><li><a href="https://encore.org/gen2gen-innovation-fellowship/">Encore's Gen2Gen Innovation Fellowship</a></li><li><a href="https://encore.org/public-voices-fellowship/">Encore's 2020-2021 Public Voices Fellowship</a></li><li><a href="https://generationtogeneration.org/encoreprize/">Encore's Gen2Gen Prize</a></li><li><a href="https://encore.org/for-encore-leaders/">More Encore resources</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.newsweek.com/vaccine-corps-intergenerational-1560151">A Dedicated COVID Vaccine Corps</a> (Newsweek, Jan. 8, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.thewhatlist.com/daily/what-is-a-perennial">What is a Perennial?</a> (term coined by Gina Pell)</li><li><a href="https://www.mylifemystories.org/">My Life, My Stories</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maggie_Kuhn">Maggie Kuhn,</a> founder of the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_Panthers">Gray Panthers</a></li><li><a href="https://encore.org/phyllis-segal/">Phyllis Segal</a></li><li><a href="https://encore.org/charlotte-japp/">Charlotte Japp,</a> founder of <a href="https://www.cirkel.world/">CIRKEL</a></li><li><a href="https://encore.org/brittany-t-paschall/">Brittany T. Paschall,</a> founder of <a href="https://www.weremembernashville.org/">We Remember Nashville</a></li><li><a href="https://encore.org/sarah-lafave/">Sarah LaFave,</a> founder of <a href="https://www.lorishands.org/">Lori's Hands</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>I hope you enjoyed this podcast. Would you please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts/iTunes</a>? It takes less than sixty seconds, and it really makes a difference in attracting new listeners and upcoming guests. I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p>Sign up for occasional updates and get my free writing guide at <a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">http://eepurl.com/qGTP</a></p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>WE ARE LOOKING FOR A SPONSOR</strong></p><p><strong>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners,</strong> <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/"><strong>contact Debbie Weil</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Today <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">Debbie Weil</a> talks to <a href="https://twitter.com/dianefeldman?">Diane Feldman</a>, an old friend and a veteran political consultant, to get her take on an issue that Debbie has been chewing and stewing over: the deep political divide in this country.</p><p>After running The Feldman Group, a Democratic research & polling firm in D.C. for almost 30 years, Diane shut down her firm two years ago and retired to Jackson, Mississippi. Debbie's first question for her might sound naive: is there a <i>message</i> that President Biden could send that would get us to the <i>unity</i> he calls for in his Inaugural Address? But it comes out of her genuine perplexity about how to unify the dramatically opposing factions in this country: Democrats vs. Republicans, those who voted for Trump vs. those who elected Biden, those who believe in truth and facts vs. those who don’t seem to.</p><p>This kind of polarization in America isn't new, Diane reminds us. It's been going on for a long, long time. Think back to the many who opposed Dr. Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement. What's new, she says, is that 85 million Americans were willing to stand up and vote for equity and anti-racism.  </p><p>They talk about this and more: the different kinds of political messaging, the Jan. 6th assault on the Capitol, white supremacy, the current echoes of the resistance to the civil rights movement, why people get stuck in their own political bubbles, and Diane’s analysis of why polling is not the strategically effective tool it used to be, which is one reason she decided to shut down The Feldman Group and start a new chapter of her life where she no longer sells her time but is finding ways to contribute in her new community.</p><p>Lots to chew on. Be sure to check out Diane’s blog, <a href="https://viewfromthepearl.wordpress.com/">The View From the Pearl,</a> referring to the river that runs through Jackson.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li>Diane’s blog: <a href="https://viewfromthepearl.wordpress.com/">The View From the Pearl</a></li><li>Diane on <a href="https://twitter.com/dianefeldman">Twitter</a></li><li><a href="http://www.thefeldmangroup.com/">The Feldman Group</a> (the firm shut down two years ago)</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson,_Mississippi">Jackson, Mississippi</a></li><li><a href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt12801356/">MLK/FBI (2020)</a> (The new documentary that uncovers the extent of the FBI's surveillance and harassment of Martin Luther King, Jr.)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>I hope you enjoy this podcast. Would you please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts/iTunes</a>? It takes less than sixty seconds, and it really makes a difference in attracting new listeners and upcoming guests. I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p>Sign up for occasional updates and get my free writing guide at <a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">http://eepurl.com/qGTP</a></p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>WE ARE LOOKING FOR A SPONSOR</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of GenX and Boomer listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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But it comes out of her genuine perplexity about how to unify the dramatically opposing factions in this country: Democrats vs. Republicans, those who voted for Trump vs. those who elected Biden, those who believe in truth and facts vs. those who don’t seem to.</p><p>This kind of polarization in America isn't new, Diane reminds us. It's been going on for a long, long time. Think back to the many who opposed Dr. Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement. What's new, she says, is that 85 million Americans were willing to stand up and vote for equity and anti-racism.  </p><p>They talk about this and more: the different kinds of political messaging, the Jan. 6th assault on the Capitol, white supremacy, the current echoes of the resistance to the civil rights movement, why people get stuck in their own political bubbles, and Diane’s analysis of why polling is not the strategically effective tool it used to be, which is one reason she decided to shut down The Feldman Group and start a new chapter of her life where she no longer sells her time but is finding ways to contribute in her new community.</p><p>Lots to chew on. Be sure to check out Diane’s blog, <a href="https://viewfromthepearl.wordpress.com/">The View From the Pearl,</a> referring to the river that runs through Jackson.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li>Diane’s blog: <a href="https://viewfromthepearl.wordpress.com/">The View From the Pearl</a></li><li>Diane on <a href="https://twitter.com/dianefeldman">Twitter</a></li><li><a href="http://www.thefeldmangroup.com/">The Feldman Group</a> (the firm shut down two years ago)</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson,_Mississippi">Jackson, Mississippi</a></li><li><a href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt12801356/">MLK/FBI (2020)</a> (The new documentary that uncovers the extent of the FBI's surveillance and harassment of Martin Luther King, Jr.)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>I hope you enjoy this podcast. Would you please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts/iTunes</a>? It takes less than sixty seconds, and it really makes a difference in attracting new listeners and upcoming guests. I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p>Sign up for occasional updates and get my free writing guide at <a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">http://eepurl.com/qGTP</a></p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>WE ARE LOOKING FOR A SPONSOR</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of GenX and Boomer listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>This podcast is about making the most of the collective gap year that we’re all living through right now. It's a topic that applies to anyone, of any age, but our focus is on those in midlife and older. </p><p>So today, to kick off 2021, Debbie talks to the perfect guest, <a href="https://thischairrocks.com/">Ashton Applewhite</a>. Ashton is an author, speaker and activist on the topic of ageism, which can be defined as discrimination on the basis of age (no matter how old or how young you are). She's  been called a pro-aging radical and the "Malcolm Gladwell of ageism." She and Debbie really get into it in this wide-ranging conversation with Ashton poking and prodding at some of Debbie's assumptions. </p><p>The topic of ageism (or any -ism) brings up a lot of emotion. Fear is generally at the top of the list so they talk about the fear of getting old and what that means in America. They talk about the value of human lives and why older people are often seen as less valuable or even invisible. And they delve into how the pandemic has revealed the deep well of ageism, as well as racism and ableism, in our society. </p><p>They also talk about the irony of being ageist yourself, of unconsciously accepting the notion that old is ugly. (Debbie is 69 and Ashton is 68.) Ashton reminds us that studies like the <a href="https://www.nber.org/papers/w26641">U-Curve of Happiness</a> show older people are happier. They end the conversation with Ashton offering one thing you can do to combat ageism: become aware of when you’re using the word “old” as a <i>negative</i> vs. “young” as a <i>positive</i>. Think about that while you're listening to this provocative episode.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li>Ashton’s website: <a href="https://thischairrocks.com">This Chair Rocks</a></li><li>Her book is newly out in paperback: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/This-Chair-Rocks-Manifesto-Against/dp/1250297257/">This Chair Rocks: A Manifesto against Ageism</a> by Ashton Applewhite (Celadon Books 2019)</li><li>Ashton’s website challenging the stereotypes that segregate us by age: <a href="https://yoisthisageist.com/">Yo, Is This Ageist?</a></li><li>Ashton’s Anti-Ageism Clearinghouse: <a href="https://oldschool.info/">https://oldschool.info/</a></li><li>Ashton on Twitter:  <a href="https://twitter.com/thischairrocks">https://twitter.com/thischairrocks</a></li><li>Ashton’s 2017 TED talk: <a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/ashton_applewhite_let_s_end_ageism">Ashton Applewhite: Let's end ageism</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/ageism-pandemic/">Reflections on the Plague Year From an Anti-Aging Activist </a>by Ashton Applewhite (Next Avenue, March 15, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intersectionality">Definition of intersectionality</a></li><li><a href="https://changingaging.org/ageism/age-justice-requires-disability-justice-and-vice-versa/">Age justice requires disability justice—and vice versa</a> by Ashton Applewhite (Changing Aging, August 18, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://ideas.ted.com/rather-than-identifying-yourself-as-old-young-or-middle-aged-be-an-old-person-in-training-instead/">Rather than identifying as old, young or middle-aged, be an “old person in training” instead</a> by Ashton Applewhite (TED Ideas, April 26, 2019)</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_N._Butler">Robert Butler</a>, the gerontologist who coined the term “ageism”</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Lamott">Anne Lamott</a></li><li>The World Health Organization: <a href="https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/96/4/17-202424/en/">A global campaign to combat ageism</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>I hope you enjoyed this podcast! We are asking our loyal listeners (and new ones too) to show their support by leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than sixty seconds, and it really makes a difference in attracting new listeners and upcoming guests. I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p> </p><p><strong>How to learn more about the podcast</strong><br />Sign up for my newsletter (you'll also get my free writing guide) at <a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">http://eepurl.com/qGTP</a></p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com">gapyearaftersixty.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>WE ARE LOOKING FOR A SPONSOR</strong></p><p><strong>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners,</strong> <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/"><strong>contact Debbie Weil</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p><br /><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <author>wordbiz@gmail.com (Debbie Weil, Ashton Applewhite)</author>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This podcast is about making the most of the collective gap year that we’re all living through right now. It's a topic that applies to anyone, of any age, but our focus is on those in midlife and older. </p><p>So today, to kick off 2021, Debbie talks to the perfect guest, <a href="https://thischairrocks.com/">Ashton Applewhite</a>. Ashton is an author, speaker and activist on the topic of ageism, which can be defined as discrimination on the basis of age (no matter how old or how young you are). She's  been called a pro-aging radical and the "Malcolm Gladwell of ageism." She and Debbie really get into it in this wide-ranging conversation with Ashton poking and prodding at some of Debbie's assumptions. </p><p>The topic of ageism (or any -ism) brings up a lot of emotion. Fear is generally at the top of the list so they talk about the fear of getting old and what that means in America. They talk about the value of human lives and why older people are often seen as less valuable or even invisible. And they delve into how the pandemic has revealed the deep well of ageism, as well as racism and ableism, in our society. </p><p>They also talk about the irony of being ageist yourself, of unconsciously accepting the notion that old is ugly. (Debbie is 69 and Ashton is 68.) Ashton reminds us that studies like the <a href="https://www.nber.org/papers/w26641">U-Curve of Happiness</a> show older people are happier. They end the conversation with Ashton offering one thing you can do to combat ageism: become aware of when you’re using the word “old” as a <i>negative</i> vs. “young” as a <i>positive</i>. Think about that while you're listening to this provocative episode.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li>Ashton’s website: <a href="https://thischairrocks.com">This Chair Rocks</a></li><li>Her book is newly out in paperback: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/This-Chair-Rocks-Manifesto-Against/dp/1250297257/">This Chair Rocks: A Manifesto against Ageism</a> by Ashton Applewhite (Celadon Books 2019)</li><li>Ashton’s website challenging the stereotypes that segregate us by age: <a href="https://yoisthisageist.com/">Yo, Is This Ageist?</a></li><li>Ashton’s Anti-Ageism Clearinghouse: <a href="https://oldschool.info/">https://oldschool.info/</a></li><li>Ashton on Twitter:  <a href="https://twitter.com/thischairrocks">https://twitter.com/thischairrocks</a></li><li>Ashton’s 2017 TED talk: <a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/ashton_applewhite_let_s_end_ageism">Ashton Applewhite: Let's end ageism</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/ageism-pandemic/">Reflections on the Plague Year From an Anti-Aging Activist </a>by Ashton Applewhite (Next Avenue, March 15, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intersectionality">Definition of intersectionality</a></li><li><a href="https://changingaging.org/ageism/age-justice-requires-disability-justice-and-vice-versa/">Age justice requires disability justice—and vice versa</a> by Ashton Applewhite (Changing Aging, August 18, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://ideas.ted.com/rather-than-identifying-yourself-as-old-young-or-middle-aged-be-an-old-person-in-training-instead/">Rather than identifying as old, young or middle-aged, be an “old person in training” instead</a> by Ashton Applewhite (TED Ideas, April 26, 2019)</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_N._Butler">Robert Butler</a>, the gerontologist who coined the term “ageism”</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Lamott">Anne Lamott</a></li><li>The World Health Organization: <a href="https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/96/4/17-202424/en/">A global campaign to combat ageism</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>I hope you enjoyed this podcast! We are asking our loyal listeners (and new ones too) to show their support by leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts.</a> It takes less than sixty seconds, and it really makes a difference in attracting new listeners and upcoming guests. I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p> </p><p><strong>How to learn more about the podcast</strong><br />Sign up for my newsletter (you'll also get my free writing guide) at <a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">http://eepurl.com/qGTP</a></p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com">gapyearaftersixty.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>WE ARE LOOKING FOR A SPONSOR</strong></p><p><strong>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners,</strong> <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/"><strong>contact Debbie Weil</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on Apple Podcasts</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p><br /><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <title>Debbie &amp; Sam Recap 2020: COVID, Reminiscing on Cold Winter Nights, and Shaving Off His Beard</title>
      <description><![CDATA[<p>Today, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">Debbie Weil</a> brings <a href="https://samharrington.com/sam-harrington-md/">Dr. Sam Harrington</a>, her physician husband, back on the show to wrap up the year 2020. After 8 months of living with COVID as a backdrop, they sit down together to reflect on what lies ahead. </p><p>First, the vaccine: how will it be distributed, to whom, and in what order? Is this the right order? How should we value human lives? Can the new Biden Administration improve the messaging around COVID and thus slow the continuing spread of the disease? When will life return to normal - or will it ever?</p><p>Sam talks about several books he’s read recently (links below) and they share some of the favorite TV programs they've binge watched. (The complete list is below.) They talk about mini-socializing <i>outdoors</i>, the old-fashioned Pen Pal club they’ve started with their six grandchildren (ages three to ten), the slowing down of time, and the opportunity to reminisce about their past travels during the long, cold, dark winter evenings in Maine. </p><p>They end with an update on Sam’s beard (hallelujah) and a few predictions for 2021. The podcast will be back in January after a holiday break.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Malignant-Policy-Evidence-People-Cancer/dp/1421437635">Malignant: How Bad Policy and Bad Evidence Harm People with Cancer</a> by Vinayak K. Prasad (Johns Hopkins University Press, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Apollos-Arrow-Profound-Enduring-Coronavirus/dp/0316628212">Apollo’s Arrow: The Profound and Enduring Impact of Coronavirus on the Way We Live</a> by Nicholas A. Christakis MD PhD (Little, Brown Spark, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/12/17/947094492/without-resources-vaccine-rollout-could-fall-at-the-last-hurdle-journalist-says">Without Resources, Vaccine Rollout Could 'Fall at the Last Hurdle,' Journalist Warns</a> (NPR's Fresh Air with Terry Gross, Dec. 17, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/27/nyregion/nxivm-cult-keith-raniere-sentenced.html">Keith Raniere, Leader of Nxivm Sex Cult, Is Sentenced to 120 Years in Prison</a> (New York Times, Nov. 27, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://wisdomwell.modernelderacademy.com/lets-get-liminal">Let's Get Liminal</a> by Chip Conley (Wisdom Well, Nov. 1, 2019)</li><li><a href="https://www.solostove.com/">Solo Stove: </a>a potential sponsor for the podcast?</li></ul><p> </p><p>PHOTO: Sam, minus beard, caught in the act of smiling.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Previous episodes featuring host Debbie and her husband Sam:</strong></p><ul><li>S2-EP24: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep24-debbie-sam-on-the-gap-year-for-everyone-silver-linings-not-shoulding-and-season-3/">Debbie & Sam on the Gap Year For Everyone, Silver Linings, and Not Should'ing</a></li><li>S2-EP18: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep18-debbie-sam-on-the-new-normal-quarantines-immunity-passports-and-masks-gloves/">Debbie & Sam on the New Normal, Quarantines, Immunity Passports, and Masks & Gloves</a></li><li>S2-EP12: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep12-debbie-sam-on-the-coronavirus-magical-thinking-and-aging/">Debbie & Sam on the Coronavirus, Magical Thinking, and Aging</a></li><li>S1-EP10: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-10-our-bucket-list-debbie-and-sam-live-in-france/">On Debbie & Sam's Bucket List: Living in France</a></li><li>S1-EP2: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-2-deciding-to-take-a-gap-year-at-62/">Debbie & Sam on How They Decided to Take a Gap Year at Age 62</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>TV programs Debbie & Sam watched (March - Dec. 2020)</strong></p><p><strong>The “Un’s” (their favorites):</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.netflix.com/title/81019069">Unorthodox</a></li><li><a href="https://www.netflix.com/title/80153467">Unbelievable</a></li><li><a href="https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/shows/unforgotten/">Unforgotten</a></li><li><a href="https://www.hbo.com/the-undoing">Undoing</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>They also loved:</strong></p><ul><li>Succession</li><li>Shtisel</li><li>Ozark</li><li>Normal People</li><li>Little Fires Everywhere</li><li>Gentleman Jack</li><li>Occupied</li><li>The Vow (about NXIVM)</li><li>Seduced (about NXIVM)</li><li>Emily in Paris (Debbie)</li><li>Call the Midwife</li><li>The Crown (new season)</li><li>Mystery Road (set in Australia)</li><li>Belgravia</li><li>Room 2806: The Accusation (about Dominique Strauss-Kahn)</li><li>This Is Us (Debbie was obsessed; Sam refused to watch after 1st season)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>More programs they watched:</strong></p><ul><li>Queens Gambit (didn’t love as much as everyone else seemed to)</li><li>Homeland (final season)</li><li>Le Chalet (in French; scary)</li><li>Deutschland 83</li><li>Fauda</li><li>Gold Digger</li><li>Bosch (Season 6)</li><li>Jeffrey Epstein: Filthy Rich</li><li>Babylon Berlin</li><li>Revenge (Debbie liked more than Sam did)</li><li>Rodham</li><li>Greyhound (new Tom Hanks movie)</li><li>Perry Mason</li><li>The Baby-Sitters Club</li><li>Doctor Foster</li><li>Silent Witness (a few episodes)</li><li>The Social Dilemma (movie)</li><li>Flesh and Blood</li><li>Hillbilly Elegy (film)</li><li>Mank (film about Herman Mankiewicz)</li><li>The Life Ahead (new Sophia Loren film)</li><li>Self Made</li><li>Chicago Seven (film)</li><li>Roadkill</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>I hope you enjoyed this podcast. Would you please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts/iTunes</a>? It takes less than sixty seconds, and it really makes a difference in attracting new listeners and upcoming guests. I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p>Sign up for occasional updates and get my free writing guide at <a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">http://eepurl.com/qGTP</a></p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>THIS PODCAST IS LOOKING FOR A SPONSOR</strong><br /><strong>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners,</strong> <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/"><strong>contact Debbie Weil</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2020 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>wordbiz@gmail.com (Sam Harrington, Debbie Weil)</author>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">Debbie Weil</a> brings <a href="https://samharrington.com/sam-harrington-md/">Dr. Sam Harrington</a>, her physician husband, back on the show to wrap up the year 2020. After 8 months of living with COVID as a backdrop, they sit down together to reflect on what lies ahead. </p><p>First, the vaccine: how will it be distributed, to whom, and in what order? Is this the right order? How should we value human lives? Can the new Biden Administration improve the messaging around COVID and thus slow the continuing spread of the disease? When will life return to normal - or will it ever?</p><p>Sam talks about several books he’s read recently (links below) and they share some of the favorite TV programs they've binge watched. (The complete list is below.) They talk about mini-socializing <i>outdoors</i>, the old-fashioned Pen Pal club they’ve started with their six grandchildren (ages three to ten), the slowing down of time, and the opportunity to reminisce about their past travels during the long, cold, dark winter evenings in Maine. </p><p>They end with an update on Sam’s beard (hallelujah) and a few predictions for 2021. The podcast will be back in January after a holiday break.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Malignant-Policy-Evidence-People-Cancer/dp/1421437635">Malignant: How Bad Policy and Bad Evidence Harm People with Cancer</a> by Vinayak K. Prasad (Johns Hopkins University Press, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Apollos-Arrow-Profound-Enduring-Coronavirus/dp/0316628212">Apollo’s Arrow: The Profound and Enduring Impact of Coronavirus on the Way We Live</a> by Nicholas A. Christakis MD PhD (Little, Brown Spark, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/12/17/947094492/without-resources-vaccine-rollout-could-fall-at-the-last-hurdle-journalist-says">Without Resources, Vaccine Rollout Could 'Fall at the Last Hurdle,' Journalist Warns</a> (NPR's Fresh Air with Terry Gross, Dec. 17, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/27/nyregion/nxivm-cult-keith-raniere-sentenced.html">Keith Raniere, Leader of Nxivm Sex Cult, Is Sentenced to 120 Years in Prison</a> (New York Times, Nov. 27, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://wisdomwell.modernelderacademy.com/lets-get-liminal">Let's Get Liminal</a> by Chip Conley (Wisdom Well, Nov. 1, 2019)</li><li><a href="https://www.solostove.com/">Solo Stove: </a>a potential sponsor for the podcast?</li></ul><p> </p><p>PHOTO: Sam, minus beard, caught in the act of smiling.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Previous episodes featuring host Debbie and her husband Sam:</strong></p><ul><li>S2-EP24: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep24-debbie-sam-on-the-gap-year-for-everyone-silver-linings-not-shoulding-and-season-3/">Debbie & Sam on the Gap Year For Everyone, Silver Linings, and Not Should'ing</a></li><li>S2-EP18: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep18-debbie-sam-on-the-new-normal-quarantines-immunity-passports-and-masks-gloves/">Debbie & Sam on the New Normal, Quarantines, Immunity Passports, and Masks & Gloves</a></li><li>S2-EP12: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep12-debbie-sam-on-the-coronavirus-magical-thinking-and-aging/">Debbie & Sam on the Coronavirus, Magical Thinking, and Aging</a></li><li>S1-EP10: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-10-our-bucket-list-debbie-and-sam-live-in-france/">On Debbie & Sam's Bucket List: Living in France</a></li><li>S1-EP2: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-2-deciding-to-take-a-gap-year-at-62/">Debbie & Sam on How They Decided to Take a Gap Year at Age 62</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>TV programs Debbie & Sam watched (March - Dec. 2020)</strong></p><p><strong>The “Un’s” (their favorites):</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.netflix.com/title/81019069">Unorthodox</a></li><li><a href="https://www.netflix.com/title/80153467">Unbelievable</a></li><li><a href="https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/shows/unforgotten/">Unforgotten</a></li><li><a href="https://www.hbo.com/the-undoing">Undoing</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>They also loved:</strong></p><ul><li>Succession</li><li>Shtisel</li><li>Ozark</li><li>Normal People</li><li>Little Fires Everywhere</li><li>Gentleman Jack</li><li>Occupied</li><li>The Vow (about NXIVM)</li><li>Seduced (about NXIVM)</li><li>Emily in Paris (Debbie)</li><li>Call the Midwife</li><li>The Crown (new season)</li><li>Mystery Road (set in Australia)</li><li>Belgravia</li><li>Room 2806: The Accusation (about Dominique Strauss-Kahn)</li><li>This Is Us (Debbie was obsessed; Sam refused to watch after 1st season)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>More programs they watched:</strong></p><ul><li>Queens Gambit (didn’t love as much as everyone else seemed to)</li><li>Homeland (final season)</li><li>Le Chalet (in French; scary)</li><li>Deutschland 83</li><li>Fauda</li><li>Gold Digger</li><li>Bosch (Season 6)</li><li>Jeffrey Epstein: Filthy Rich</li><li>Babylon Berlin</li><li>Revenge (Debbie liked more than Sam did)</li><li>Rodham</li><li>Greyhound (new Tom Hanks movie)</li><li>Perry Mason</li><li>The Baby-Sitters Club</li><li>Doctor Foster</li><li>Silent Witness (a few episodes)</li><li>The Social Dilemma (movie)</li><li>Flesh and Blood</li><li>Hillbilly Elegy (film)</li><li>Mank (film about Herman Mankiewicz)</li><li>The Life Ahead (new Sophia Loren film)</li><li>Self Made</li><li>Chicago Seven (film)</li><li>Roadkill</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>I hope you enjoyed this podcast. Would you please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts/iTunes</a>? It takes less than sixty seconds, and it really makes a difference in attracting new listeners and upcoming guests. I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p>Sign up for occasional updates and get my free writing guide at <a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">http://eepurl.com/qGTP</a></p><p><strong>Connect with me:</strong></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>THIS PODCAST IS LOOKING FOR A SPONSOR</strong><br /><strong>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners,</strong> <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/"><strong>contact Debbie Weil</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>Our Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Today, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">Debbie Weil</a> brings <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ddidonna/">DJ DiDonna</a> on the show to talk about sabbaticals, first cousins to gap years. DJ  is a graduate of Harvard Business School, co-founder of a <a href="https://lenddoefl.com/">socially-conscious financial tech company</a>, and now, an expert on sabbaticals. Like a lot of young entrepreneurs DJ was burned out after working flat out for seven years. So he took two sabbaticals: one to make the famous, 900-mile <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shikoku_Pilgrimage">Shikoku Pilgrimage</a> in Japan. And another to hike and motorcycle across New Zealand.</p><p>Then he founded <a href="http://thesabbaticalproject.org/">The Sabbatical Project</a> to explore how and why sabbaticals lead to positive outcomes for working professionals. The goal of the project is to make corporate sabbatical policies more mainstream. He’s collaborating on academic research on the topic with <strong>Matt Bloom</strong>, a former Notre Dame professor who runs <a href="https://workwellresearch.org/who-we-are/">WorkWell Research</a>.</p><p>As noted, a sabbatical is a close cousin to a gap year or timeout and DJ has lots to say about the psychological benefits of taking a timeout, whether it’s voluntary or involuntary. </p><p><strong>What they talked about</strong></p><ul><li>The difference between a gap year and a sabbatical</li><li>A forced sabbatical vs. a chosen sabbatical</li><li>The most surprising things that happened during DJ's sabbatical pilgrimage in Japan</li><li>Why we need research on sabbaticals - the results provide incentives and encouragement to companies to offer sabbatical options</li><li>One surprising discovery of the research: a phenomenon called <i>functional workaholism</i></li><li>The courage it takes to take a sabbatical or a gap year and the importance of exemplars</li><li>Why Debbie and her husband, Sam Harrington, decided to take their <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>DJ’s book proposal, aptly titled <i>Time Off Well Spent</i></li><li>The importance of retrospection and hindsight, during and after  taking a sabbatical</li></ul><p><strong>Mentioned in the episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ddidonna/">DJ DiDonna</a></li><li><a href="http://thesabbaticalproject.org/">The Sabbatical Project</a></li><li>DJ’s <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRp7_mXYIH4">2019 Tedx Talk</a>: Time (Off) Well Spent</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shikoku_Pilgrimage">Shikoku Pilgrimage in Japan</a></li><li><a href="https://lenddoefl.com/">LenddoEFL</a></li><li><a href="https://qz.com/work/1832521/even-a-forced-sabbatical-can-have-profound-benefits/">Even a “forced sabbatical” can have profound benefits</a> by DJ DiDonna (Quartz At Work, April 6, 2020)</li><li><a href="http://tinyletter.com/ddidonna">The Sabbatical Project Dispatch</a> (DJ’s newsletter)</li><li><a href="https://workwellresearch.org/who-we-are/">Work Well Research</a> with Matt Bloom</li><li><a href="https://www.alumni.hbs.edu/stories/Pages/story-bulletin.aspx?num=6951">Making Sabbaticals Mainstream</a>, Harvard Business School podcast with DJ (March 2019)</li></ul><p><br /><strong>University sabbatical programs for older adults</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://ili.nd.edu/">Notre Dame Inspired Leadership Initiative</a></li><li><a href="https://www.advancedleadership.harvard.edu/">Harvard Advanced Leadership Initiative</a></li><li><a href="https://dci.stanford.edu/">Stanford Distinguished Careers Institute</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Previous podcast episodes about taking a timeout</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/seth-godin-on-taking-a-gap-year-changing-your-mindset-and-why-he-isnt-pausing/">Seth Godin on Taking a Gap Year, Changing your Mindset and Why he Isn’t Pausing</a> (The Gap Year Podcast S2-Ep21)</li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep23-chip-conley-on-the-future-of-travel-the-journey-within-and-hitting-play-after-the-pause/">Chip Conley on the Future of Travel, the Journey Within, and Hitting Play After the Pause</a> (The Gap Year Podcast S2-Ep23)</li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep17-kim-klaft-on-a-global-gap-year-and-living-without-regret/">Kim Klaft on.a Global Gap Year and Living Without Regret</a> (S2:EP17)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Photo credit</strong>: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/cynthiacendreda/">Cynthia Cendreda</a></p><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>I hope you enjoyed this podcast. Would you please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts/iTunes</a>? It takes less than sixty seconds, and it really makes a difference in attracting new listeners and upcoming guests. I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p>Sign up for occasional updates and get my free writing guide at <a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">http://eepurl.com/qGTP</a></p><p>Connect with me:</p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor. If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners,</strong> <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/"><strong>contact Debbie Weil</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Debbie Weil and Sam Harrington's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">Debbie Weil</a> brings <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ddidonna/">DJ DiDonna</a> on the show to talk about sabbaticals, first cousins to gap years. DJ  is a graduate of Harvard Business School, co-founder of a <a href="https://lenddoefl.com/">socially-conscious financial tech company</a>, and now, an expert on sabbaticals. Like a lot of young entrepreneurs DJ was burned out after working flat out for seven years. So he took two sabbaticals: one to make the famous, 900-mile <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shikoku_Pilgrimage">Shikoku Pilgrimage</a> in Japan. And another to hike and motorcycle across New Zealand.</p><p>Then he founded <a href="http://thesabbaticalproject.org/">The Sabbatical Project</a> to explore how and why sabbaticals lead to positive outcomes for working professionals. The goal of the project is to make corporate sabbatical policies more mainstream. He’s collaborating on academic research on the topic with <strong>Matt Bloom</strong>, a former Notre Dame professor who runs <a href="https://workwellresearch.org/who-we-are/">WorkWell Research</a>.</p><p>As noted, a sabbatical is a close cousin to a gap year or timeout and DJ has lots to say about the psychological benefits of taking a timeout, whether it’s voluntary or involuntary. </p><p><strong>What they talked about</strong></p><ul><li>The difference between a gap year and a sabbatical</li><li>A forced sabbatical vs. a chosen sabbatical</li><li>The most surprising things that happened during DJ's sabbatical pilgrimage in Japan</li><li>Why we need research on sabbaticals - the results provide incentives and encouragement to companies to offer sabbatical options</li><li>One surprising discovery of the research: a phenomenon called <i>functional workaholism</i></li><li>The courage it takes to take a sabbatical or a gap year and the importance of exemplars</li><li>Why Debbie and her husband, Sam Harrington, decided to take their <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li><li>DJ’s book proposal, aptly titled <i>Time Off Well Spent</i></li><li>The importance of retrospection and hindsight, during and after  taking a sabbatical</li></ul><p><strong>Mentioned in the episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ddidonna/">DJ DiDonna</a></li><li><a href="http://thesabbaticalproject.org/">The Sabbatical Project</a></li><li>DJ’s <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRp7_mXYIH4">2019 Tedx Talk</a>: Time (Off) Well Spent</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shikoku_Pilgrimage">Shikoku Pilgrimage in Japan</a></li><li><a href="https://lenddoefl.com/">LenddoEFL</a></li><li><a href="https://qz.com/work/1832521/even-a-forced-sabbatical-can-have-profound-benefits/">Even a “forced sabbatical” can have profound benefits</a> by DJ DiDonna (Quartz At Work, April 6, 2020)</li><li><a href="http://tinyletter.com/ddidonna">The Sabbatical Project Dispatch</a> (DJ’s newsletter)</li><li><a href="https://workwellresearch.org/who-we-are/">Work Well Research</a> with Matt Bloom</li><li><a href="https://www.alumni.hbs.edu/stories/Pages/story-bulletin.aspx?num=6951">Making Sabbaticals Mainstream</a>, Harvard Business School podcast with DJ (March 2019)</li></ul><p><br /><strong>University sabbatical programs for older adults</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://ili.nd.edu/">Notre Dame Inspired Leadership Initiative</a></li><li><a href="https://www.advancedleadership.harvard.edu/">Harvard Advanced Leadership Initiative</a></li><li><a href="https://dci.stanford.edu/">Stanford Distinguished Careers Institute</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Previous podcast episodes about taking a timeout</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/seth-godin-on-taking-a-gap-year-changing-your-mindset-and-why-he-isnt-pausing/">Seth Godin on Taking a Gap Year, Changing your Mindset and Why he Isn’t Pausing</a> (The Gap Year Podcast S2-Ep21)</li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep23-chip-conley-on-the-future-of-travel-the-journey-within-and-hitting-play-after-the-pause/">Chip Conley on the Future of Travel, the Journey Within, and Hitting Play After the Pause</a> (The Gap Year Podcast S2-Ep23)</li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep17-kim-klaft-on-a-global-gap-year-and-living-without-regret/">Kim Klaft on.a Global Gap Year and Living Without Regret</a> (S2:EP17)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Photo credit</strong>: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/cynthiacendreda/">Cynthia Cendreda</a></p><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>I hope you enjoyed this podcast. Would you please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts/iTunes</a>? It takes less than sixty seconds, and it really makes a difference in attracting new listeners and upcoming guests. I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p>Sign up for occasional updates and get my free writing guide at <a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">http://eepurl.com/qGTP</a></p><p>Connect with me:</p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor. If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners,</strong> <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/"><strong>contact Debbie Weil</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Debbie Weil and Sam Harrington's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul>
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I just want to exist and do my work privately." </p><p>So we’re lucky to have this conversation with him. Debbie hopes you enjoy it as much as she did. And that you take away a few nuggets of wisdom about work - and life - that you can apply in this time of the pandemic. </p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li>Paul’s Website: <a href="https://pjrvs.com/">https://pjrvs.com/</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Company-One-Staying-Small-Business/dp/0358213258/">Company of One: Why Staying Small is the Next Big Thing for Business</a> by Paul Jarvis (Mariner Books 2019)</li><li><a href="https://pjrvs.com/bye">The Sunday Dispatches </a></li><li><a href="https://usefathom.com/">Fathom Analytics:</a> Paul is co-founder with <a href="https://twitter.com/jackellis">Jack Ellis</a></li><li><a href="https://usefathom.com/podcast">Above Board</a>, Fathom Analytics’ podcast (co-hosted by Paul) discussing privacy and business in the digital age.</li><li><a href="https://pjrvs.com/course">Paul's online courses</a> on how to use WordPress</li><li><a href="https://creativeclass.co/">Creative Class</a> (Paul's online course for freelancers)</li><li><a href="https://chimpessentials.com/">Chimp Essentials</a> (Paul's online course on how to use MailChimp)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>A podcast episode with another successful solo entrepreneur:</strong></p><p><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/derek-sivers-on-slow-thinking-connecting-and-intentional-living/">Derek Sivers on Slow Thinking, Connecting, and Intentional Living</a></p><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>I hope you enjoyed this podcast. Would you please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts/iTunes</a>? It takes less than sixty seconds, and it really makes a difference in attracting new listeners and upcoming guests. I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p>Sign up for occasional updates and get my free writing guide at <a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">http://eepurl.com/qGTP</a></p><p>Connect with me:</p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>WE ARE LOOKING FOR A SPONSOR</strong><br />If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife (GenX and Boomer) listeners, who are active, open to adventure and change, and who think differently about lifestyle, finances, and retirement, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Debbie Weil and Sam Harrington's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul>
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He’s designed a number of online courses, bringing in several million dollars in revenue,  he's the co-founder of <a href="https://usefathom.com/">Fathom Analytics</a>, and until very recently he wrote a popular weekly newsletter, <a href="https://pjrvs.com/bye">The Sunday Dispatches</a>, that he sent to his list of 35,000 subscribers. </p><p>His driving value is simplicity. As he says in this conversation, “I crave simplicity" - especially as it relates to business and work. Meaning how can you solve a business problem simply rather than adding layers of complexity. </p><p>In mid-November, Paul announced in an email to his 35,000 subscribers that he was halting his newsletter after eight years and also taking a break from podcasts and interviews. He noted that he's been sharing his thoughts online for 20 years. "I don’t want attention or power or admiration," he says. "I don’t want to be a personal brand or a known dude on the internet. I just want to exist and do my work privately." </p><p>So we’re lucky to have this conversation with him. Debbie hopes you enjoy it as much as she did. And that you take away a few nuggets of wisdom about work - and life - that you can apply in this time of the pandemic. </p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li>Paul’s Website: <a href="https://pjrvs.com/">https://pjrvs.com/</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Company-One-Staying-Small-Business/dp/0358213258/">Company of One: Why Staying Small is the Next Big Thing for Business</a> by Paul Jarvis (Mariner Books 2019)</li><li><a href="https://pjrvs.com/bye">The Sunday Dispatches </a></li><li><a href="https://usefathom.com/">Fathom Analytics:</a> Paul is co-founder with <a href="https://twitter.com/jackellis">Jack Ellis</a></li><li><a href="https://usefathom.com/podcast">Above Board</a>, Fathom Analytics’ podcast (co-hosted by Paul) discussing privacy and business in the digital age.</li><li><a href="https://pjrvs.com/course">Paul's online courses</a> on how to use WordPress</li><li><a href="https://creativeclass.co/">Creative Class</a> (Paul's online course for freelancers)</li><li><a href="https://chimpessentials.com/">Chimp Essentials</a> (Paul's online course on how to use MailChimp)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>A podcast episode with another successful solo entrepreneur:</strong></p><p><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/derek-sivers-on-slow-thinking-connecting-and-intentional-living/">Derek Sivers on Slow Thinking, Connecting, and Intentional Living</a></p><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>I hope you enjoyed this podcast. Would you please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts/iTunes</a>? It takes less than sixty seconds, and it really makes a difference in attracting new listeners and upcoming guests. I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p>Sign up for occasional updates and get my free writing guide at <a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">http://eepurl.com/qGTP</a></p><p>Connect with me:</p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>WE ARE LOOKING FOR A SPONSOR</strong><br />If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife (GenX and Boomer) listeners, who are active, open to adventure and change, and who think differently about lifestyle, finances, and retirement, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Debbie Weil and Sam Harrington's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul>
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And she’s keeping up <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqvlsaY3PQ6dAv4Swtijdtw">her YouTube channel,</a> which has over 5,000 subscribers. </p><p>Phoebe notes that it was Anne Frank's impulse to record history while living through it that inspired her to start writing a journal.  She clarified in an email: "One doesn’t know how powerful an accounting of a historic moment can be while they’re living in it. I wanted to document my day-to-day life so that in the future I could read how I was feeling during the pandemic we live in now. In no way am I equating my experience living in COVID-19 to Anne Frank’s experience in the Holocaust."</p><p>Finally, what’s Phoebe's NEW BEST THING to come out of the pandemic? Writing letters, snail mail letters. And she’s prolific. Her Aunt Debbie and Uncle Sam have received a bunch.</p><p>We can all get a lift from Phoebe’s steady and refreshingly positive attitude.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqvlsaY3PQ6dAv4Swtijdtw">Phoebe Weil’s YouTube Channel</a> with over 5,000 subscribers</li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-_YyRwUUVk&t=1383s">A week in the life of boarding school</a> (Phoebe’s video blog that has almost 150,000 views)</li><li><a href="https://www.ed.gov/stem">STEM education</a> (Science, Technology, Engineering and Math)</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_colleges_in_the_United_States">Historical women’s colleges in the U.S.</a> (Phoebe attends Wellesley College, from which Hillary Clinton graduated)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>I hope you enjoyed this podcast. Would you please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts/iTunes</a>? It takes less than sixty seconds, and it really makes a difference in attracting new listeners and upcoming guests. I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p>Sign up for occasional updates and get my free writing guide at <a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">http://eepurl.com/qGTP</a></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>WE ARE LOOKING FOR A SPONSOR</strong><br />If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife (GenX and Boomer) listeners, who are open to adventure and change, reinvention at 60+, and who think differently about lifestyle, finances, and retirement, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Debbie Weil and Sam Harrington's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2020 15:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>wordbiz@gmail.com (Debbie Weil, Phoebe Weil)</author>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debbie Weil chats with her niece, Phoebe Weil, about her experience living through COVID. While the audience for this podcast is those in midlife and older (50-plus), there is a lot to be learned from someone younger about what it’s like to handle the disappointments of the pandemic. Someone who’s been missing out on some of life’s most memorable milestones.</p><p>Debbie knew just the person to tell  this story: her 18-year-old niece. Phoebe missed senior spring of high school, she missed her high school graduation, and now she’s started college where she’s been in lockdown on her campus all fall.</p><p>But she remains so very optimistic. Inspired by Anne Frank, she’s been keeping a journal that she hopes to share, one day, with her children. She’s hitting the books to study organic chemistry (she tells us about the advantage of attending an all women’s college as a science major). And she’s keeping up <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqvlsaY3PQ6dAv4Swtijdtw">her YouTube channel,</a> which has over 5,000 subscribers. </p><p>Phoebe notes that it was Anne Frank's impulse to record history while living through it that inspired her to start writing a journal.  She clarified in an email: "One doesn’t know how powerful an accounting of a historic moment can be while they’re living in it. I wanted to document my day-to-day life so that in the future I could read how I was feeling during the pandemic we live in now. In no way am I equating my experience living in COVID-19 to Anne Frank’s experience in the Holocaust."</p><p>Finally, what’s Phoebe's NEW BEST THING to come out of the pandemic? Writing letters, snail mail letters. And she’s prolific. Her Aunt Debbie and Uncle Sam have received a bunch.</p><p>We can all get a lift from Phoebe’s steady and refreshingly positive attitude.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqvlsaY3PQ6dAv4Swtijdtw">Phoebe Weil’s YouTube Channel</a> with over 5,000 subscribers</li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-_YyRwUUVk&t=1383s">A week in the life of boarding school</a> (Phoebe’s video blog that has almost 150,000 views)</li><li><a href="https://www.ed.gov/stem">STEM education</a> (Science, Technology, Engineering and Math)</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_colleges_in_the_United_States">Historical women’s colleges in the U.S.</a> (Phoebe attends Wellesley College, from which Hillary Clinton graduated)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>I hope you enjoyed this podcast. Would you please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts/iTunes</a>? It takes less than sixty seconds, and it really makes a difference in attracting new listeners and upcoming guests. I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p>Sign up for occasional updates and get my free writing guide at <a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">http://eepurl.com/qGTP</a></p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>WE ARE LOOKING FOR A SPONSOR</strong><br />If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife (GenX and Boomer) listeners, who are open to adventure and change, reinvention at 60+, and who think differently about lifestyle, finances, and retirement, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Debbie Weil and Sam Harrington's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">Debbie Weil</a> talks to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mankiewicz">John Mankiewicz</a>, a veteran screenwriter as well as executive producer for TV and film. She asks him what he's working on and what kinds of stories may come out of this era of COVID and the pandemic.  One of his ideas is a show based on people driving around L.A. in their cars, who find themselves unwittingly connected or involved in a frightening conspiracy.</p><p>You’re undoubtedly familiar with several of John's TV series, including <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Cards_(American_TV_series)">House of Cards</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosch_(TV_series)">Bosch</a>. He co-created, with <a href="https://interrogation-cbs.fandom.com/wiki/Anders_Weidemann">Anders Weidemann</a>, the CBS All Access series  <a href="https://www.cbs.com/shows/interrogation/">Interrogation.</a> which aired earlier this year.</p><p>John is Debbie's new neighbor, having left L.A. for <a href="https://castine.me.us/">Castine</a>, the historic coastal town in Maine where he's living, for the moment, with his family. Castine is an hour from Debbie's home in <a href="https://www.stoningtonmaine.org/">Stonington</a>. The two met this past summer when both worked on a passalong mystery novel - set in Castine. One person wrote a chapter and then the draft was passed along to another writer who wrote the next chapter and so on. You’ll hear in their conversation how John’s son, <a href="https://www.jackmankiewicz.com/">Jack Mankiewicz</a>, also a writer, filmmaker and producer, bailed Debbie out when her chapter ended in a dead end.</p><p>Debbie and John talk about the anxiety of these times and the difficulty of writing anything, the transformation of the TV and movie industry in recent years, and the rise of podcasts. They also talk about John’s famous grandfather, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_J._Mankiewicz">Herman Mankiewicz</a>, who wrote the screenplay for the 1941 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen_Kane">Citizen Kane</a>, considered by many to be the greatest film ever made. </p><p>John tells us about his current project, a five-hour podcast about the blacklisted <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_blacklist">Hollywood Ten</a>, tentatively called <i>The Big Lie</i>, that will be published by Audible in the first half of 2021. </p><p>His NEW BEST THING as a result of the pandemic? A dog named Daisy from a Southern California lab rescue organization "that has no lab in her." But she is perfect.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mankiewicz">John Mankiewicz bio</a></li><li><a href="https://www.jackmankiewicz.com/">Jack Mankiewicz</a>, John's son</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Mankiewicz">Don Mankiewicz</a>, John's father</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_J._Mankiewicz">Herman J. Mankiewicz</a>, John's grandfather</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Davis_(director)">Peter Davis</a>, John's uncle</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen_Kane">Citizen Kane </a>, directed by <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orson_Welles">Orson Welles</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_blacklist#The_Hollywood_Ten_and_other_1947_blacklistees">The Hollywood Ten - 1947 blacklist </a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Biberman">Herbert Biberman</a>, blacklisted as one of the Hollywood Ten</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Jarrico">Paul Jarrico</a>, blacklisted</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Wilson_(writer)">Michael Wilson</a>, blacklisted</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosaura_Revueltas">Rosaura Revueltas</a>, Mexican actress who starred in Salt of the Earth</li><li><a href="https://www.hbo.com/specials/coastal-elites">Coastal Elites</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Movies mentioned by John M. in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearts_and_Minds_(film)">Hearts and Minds</a>, directed by <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Davis_(director)">Peter Davis</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_of_the_Earth_(1954_film)">Salt of the Earth,</a> blacklisted during the 1950s</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_Persuasion_(1956_film)">Friendly Persuasion </a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Place_in_the_Sun_(film)">A Place in the Sun </a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_of_Arabia_(film)">Lawrence of Arabia</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bridge_on_the_River_Kwai">The Bridge Over the River Kwai</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Night,_and_Good_Luck">Good Night and Good Luck</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>I hope you enjoyed this podcast. Would you please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts/iTunes</a>? It takes less than sixty seconds, and it really makes a difference in attracting new listeners and upcoming guests. I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p>Sign up for occasional updates and get my free writing guide at <a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">http://eepurl.com/qGTP</a></p><p>Connect with me:</p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>WE ARE LOOKING FOR A SPONSOR</strong><br />If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife (GenX and Boomer) listeners, who are active, open to adventure and change, and who think differently about lifestyle, finances, and retirement, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor!</li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Debbie and Sam's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">Debbie Weil</a> talks to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mankiewicz">John Mankiewicz</a>, a veteran screenwriter as well as executive producer for TV and film. She asks him what he's working on and what kinds of stories may come out of this era of COVID and the pandemic.  One of his ideas is a show based on people driving around L.A. in their cars, who find themselves unwittingly connected or involved in a frightening conspiracy.</p><p>You’re undoubtedly familiar with several of John's TV series, including <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Cards_(American_TV_series)">House of Cards</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosch_(TV_series)">Bosch</a>. He co-created, with <a href="https://interrogation-cbs.fandom.com/wiki/Anders_Weidemann">Anders Weidemann</a>, the CBS All Access series  <a href="https://www.cbs.com/shows/interrogation/">Interrogation.</a> which aired earlier this year.</p><p>John is Debbie's new neighbor, having left L.A. for <a href="https://castine.me.us/">Castine</a>, the historic coastal town in Maine where he's living, for the moment, with his family. Castine is an hour from Debbie's home in <a href="https://www.stoningtonmaine.org/">Stonington</a>. The two met this past summer when both worked on a passalong mystery novel - set in Castine. One person wrote a chapter and then the draft was passed along to another writer who wrote the next chapter and so on. You’ll hear in their conversation how John’s son, <a href="https://www.jackmankiewicz.com/">Jack Mankiewicz</a>, also a writer, filmmaker and producer, bailed Debbie out when her chapter ended in a dead end.</p><p>Debbie and John talk about the anxiety of these times and the difficulty of writing anything, the transformation of the TV and movie industry in recent years, and the rise of podcasts. They also talk about John’s famous grandfather, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_J._Mankiewicz">Herman Mankiewicz</a>, who wrote the screenplay for the 1941 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen_Kane">Citizen Kane</a>, considered by many to be the greatest film ever made. </p><p>John tells us about his current project, a five-hour podcast about the blacklisted <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_blacklist">Hollywood Ten</a>, tentatively called <i>The Big Lie</i>, that will be published by Audible in the first half of 2021. </p><p>His NEW BEST THING as a result of the pandemic? A dog named Daisy from a Southern California lab rescue organization "that has no lab in her." But she is perfect.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mankiewicz">John Mankiewicz bio</a></li><li><a href="https://www.jackmankiewicz.com/">Jack Mankiewicz</a>, John's son</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Mankiewicz">Don Mankiewicz</a>, John's father</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_J._Mankiewicz">Herman J. Mankiewicz</a>, John's grandfather</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Davis_(director)">Peter Davis</a>, John's uncle</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen_Kane">Citizen Kane </a>, directed by <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orson_Welles">Orson Welles</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_blacklist#The_Hollywood_Ten_and_other_1947_blacklistees">The Hollywood Ten - 1947 blacklist </a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Biberman">Herbert Biberman</a>, blacklisted as one of the Hollywood Ten</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Jarrico">Paul Jarrico</a>, blacklisted</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Wilson_(writer)">Michael Wilson</a>, blacklisted</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosaura_Revueltas">Rosaura Revueltas</a>, Mexican actress who starred in Salt of the Earth</li><li><a href="https://www.hbo.com/specials/coastal-elites">Coastal Elites</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Movies mentioned by John M. in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearts_and_Minds_(film)">Hearts and Minds</a>, directed by <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Davis_(director)">Peter Davis</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_of_the_Earth_(1954_film)">Salt of the Earth,</a> blacklisted during the 1950s</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_Persuasion_(1956_film)">Friendly Persuasion </a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Place_in_the_Sun_(film)">A Place in the Sun </a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_of_Arabia_(film)">Lawrence of Arabia</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bridge_on_the_River_Kwai">The Bridge Over the River Kwai</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Night,_and_Good_Luck">Good Night and Good Luck</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Note from Debbie</strong></p><p>I hope you enjoyed this podcast. Would you please consider leaving a short review on <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Apple Podcasts/iTunes</a>? It takes less than sixty seconds, and it really makes a difference in attracting new listeners and upcoming guests. I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p>Sign up for occasional updates and get my free writing guide at <a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">http://eepurl.com/qGTP</a></p><p>Connect with me:</p><ul><li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></li></ul><p>- Debbie</p><p> </p><p><strong>WE ARE LOOKING FOR A SPONSOR</strong><br />If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife (GenX and Boomer) listeners, who are active, open to adventure and change, and who think differently about lifestyle, finances, and retirement, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor!</li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Debbie and Sam's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul>
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Her 2017 memoir, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/This-Close-Happy-Reckoning-Depression/dp/0374140367/">This Close to Happy: A Reckoning With Depression</a>, which was 16 years in the making, got a <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/books/review/this-close-to-happy-daphne-merkin.html">front page review</a> in The New York Times by <a href="http://andrewsolomon.com/andrew-solomon-biography/">Andrew Solomon</a>, another acclaimed author on the topic of depression.</p><p>Daphne's latest novel, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/22-Minutes-Unconditional-Love-Novel/dp/0374140383">22 Minutes of Unconditional Love</a>, is a powerful story about sex and obsession. And underlying those twin themes, the theme of depression. Today she and Debbie talk not about her books, per se, but about her experience with  clinical depression and what that can teach us in this difficult year of COVID when many of us are experiencing deep uncertainty and anxiety. 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Be sure to explore the links to Daphne's writing  below.</p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li>Daphne Merkin <a href="https://www.daphne-merkin.com/bio">bio</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/This-Close-Happy-Reckoning-Depression/dp/1250159296/">This Close to Happy: A Reckoning With Depression </a> (Picador 2018)</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/22-Minutes-Unconditional-Love-Novel/dp/0374140383">22 Minutes of Unconditional Love</a> (July 2020)</li><li>Re-issue of her 1987 novel <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Enchantment-Novel-Daphne-Merkin/dp/0374140391/">Enchantment  </a>(Picador, July 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.daphne-merkin.com/blog">Other writing and reviews</a></li><li>Daphne Merkin's review of new Sylvia Plath biography: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/27/books/review/red-comet-heather-clark-sylvia-plath.html">Shifting the Focus From Sylvia Plath's Tragic Death to Her Brilliant Life</a>  (New York Times, Oct. 22, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/10/29/depression-isolation-during-pandemic/">Depression and isolation during a pandemic</a> by Daniel W. 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I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p>Sign up for occasional updates and get my free writing guide at <a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">http://eepurl.com/qGTP</a></p><p>Connect with me::</p><p>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></p><p>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">instagram.com/debbieweil</a></p><p>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">facebook.com/debbieweil</a></p><p>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></p><p> </p><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor</strong><br />If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife (GenX and Boomer) listeners, who are active, open to adventure and change, and who think differently about lifestyle, finances, and retirement, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li><strong>Debbie Weil</strong> and <strong>Sam Harrington</strong>'s joint blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul>
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Her 2017 memoir, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/This-Close-Happy-Reckoning-Depression/dp/0374140367/">This Close to Happy: A Reckoning With Depression</a>, which was 16 years in the making, got a <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/books/review/this-close-to-happy-daphne-merkin.html">front page review</a> in The New York Times by <a href="http://andrewsolomon.com/andrew-solomon-biography/">Andrew Solomon</a>, another acclaimed author on the topic of depression.</p><p>Daphne's latest novel, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/22-Minutes-Unconditional-Love-Novel/dp/0374140383">22 Minutes of Unconditional Love</a>, is a powerful story about sex and obsession. And underlying those twin themes, the theme of depression. Today she and Debbie talk not about her books, per se, but about her experience with  clinical depression and what that can teach us in this difficult year of COVID when many of us are experiencing deep uncertainty and anxiety. It's a topic of personal interest to Debbie who is an occasional sufferer of clinical depression. Depression is the story behind the story, if you will, of much of Daphne’s writing.</p><p>Debbie and Daphne explore why real depression - sometimes called endogenous depression - is not talked about, why it is so misunderstood, and why it’s something that NEEDS to be talked about. They talk about how her creativity as a writer, cooped up in her apartment in New York City, has been affected the past few months. They talk about the pros and cons of doing therapy via Zoom. And they talk briefly about Psilocybin and the new psychedelic-assisted therapies for depression. </p><p>Daphne ends the conversation with some poignant thoughts on what the depths of depression are like and how society has a long way to go to better address depression, as well as thoughts of suicide.  This is a powerful conversation with a brilliant author. 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I might read your review on my next episode!</p><p>Sign up for occasional updates and get my free writing guide at <a href="http://eepurl.com/qGTP">http://eepurl.com/qGTP</a></p><p>Connect with me::</p><p>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></p><p>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/debbieweil">instagram.com/debbieweil</a></p><p>Facebook: <a href="https://facebook.com/debbieweil">facebook.com/debbieweil</a></p><p>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil">www.linkedin.com/in/debbieweil</a></p><p> </p><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor</strong><br />If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife (GenX and Boomer) listeners, who are active, open to adventure and change, and who think differently about lifestyle, finances, and retirement, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li><strong>Debbie Weil</strong> and <strong>Sam Harrington</strong>'s joint blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul>
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He’s been an informal advisor to Presidential candidates, including <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama">Barack Obama</a>. And he always has an opinion. Plenty of them. </p><p>They recorded the conversation you’re about to hear in the early afternoon of November 4th. The frustration of the previous night was starting to give way to patience as key swing states and counties continued to count votes. At the time they recorded, there was general agreement that <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden">Joe Biden</a> would prevail, narrowly, and become the 46th President of the U.S.</p><p>Frank says this is the most extraordinary election of his lifetime, both in terms of nail-biting outcome but also in view of the massive turnout and unusual process of early voting and mail-in ballots.</p><p>He tells us that his frustration of the past weeks and months has turned into “inspiration” as he ponders the fact that a divided government might be a good thing, because it will force Washington to compromise and therefore better represent the people. He and Debbie take a brief walk down memory lane for some of the most memorable elections of his lifetime, the first being FDR’s unprecedented third election in 1940 with Henry Wallace as his running mate, when Frank was nine years old. When Debbie was nine, she remembers waking up with excitement the morning after Kennedy was elected in 1960.</p><p>There are a few things Debbie and Frank didn’t get around to specifically discussing, including the record turnout, the highest in a century. And they didn’t have enough time to go deeply into examining the divide in this country, between rural and urban, educated and less educated, and the belief in astonishingly opposing narratives.</p><p>You can’t help but sense this man's optimism, despite this difficult year and despite the real difficulties that lie ahead as we try to unite a deeply divided nation. He lets us go with a word of wisdom on the importance of collaboration even with those you don’t agree with.</p><p><br /> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li>Frank’s blog: <a href="https://fawideas.com">https://fawideas.com</a></li><li><a href="https://fawideas.com/about/">Frank Weil's bio</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/PROOF-Frank-silver-spoon-knives/dp/B07JZBP2XZ/">Let Me Be Frank: From a Silver Spoon to the Knives and Forks in the Road of My Life</a> (FAW’s autobiography)</li><li><a href="https://fawideas.com/2020/11/04/the-result-will-not-be-too-different-from-expectations/">The Result Will Not Be Too Different From Expectations</a> (his blog post on Nov. 4, 2020)</li><li>Frank's appearance on <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-1-gap-years-are-not-wasted-on-the-young/">Episode 1 of the podcast</a></li><li><i>Why counting the votes takes so long: </i><a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/10/22/election-night-marks-the-end-of-one-phase-of-campaign-2020-and-the-start-of-another/"><i>Here's what happens after polls close in a US presidential election</i></a><i> (Pew Research Center, October 22, 2020)</i></li><li><a href="https://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/memorable-elections"><i>Memorable Elections</i></a><i> (History.com, August 10, 2020)</i></li><li>Truman vs Dewey: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_United_States_presidential_election">The 1948 United States presidential election</a></li><li>The most famous election headline in U.S. history: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey_Defeats_Truman">Dewey Defeats Truman</a></li><li>Nixon vs. Kennedy: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_United_States_presidential_election">The 1960 United States presidential election</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_A._Wallace">Henry A. Wallace</a>, the 33rd Vice President of the USA</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>WE ARE LOOKING FOR A SPONSOR. If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife (GenX and Boomer) listeners, who are active, open to change and new possibilities, and who think differently about lifestyle, finances, and retirement, </strong><a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/"><strong>contact Debbie Weil</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Debbie Weil and Sam Harrington's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul><p> </p>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://debbieweil.com/about">Debbie Weil</a> brings <a href="https://fawideas.com/about/">Frank Weil</a>, her almost 90-year-old father, back on the podcast to give us his perspective on the 2020 presidential election, even as votes are still being counted. Her Dad is a prolific blogger at <a href="https://fawideas.com/"><i>FAWideas.com</i></a>, where he regularly offers his thoughts on Democratic politics, including cogent tirades about you-know-who, whom he regards as incompetent, amoral, and dangerous.</p><p>So who else to make better sense of this nail-biting week than her Dad?</p><p> He lives in Washington DC with her mother, <strong>Denie Weil</strong>; they’ve been married almost 70 years. In the late 1970s, Frank was an Assistant Secretary in the Dept. of Commerce under Jimmy Carter. In the decades since, as well as before, he has been deeply involved in Democratic politics. He’s been an informal advisor to Presidential candidates, including <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama">Barack Obama</a>. And he always has an opinion. Plenty of them. </p><p>They recorded the conversation you’re about to hear in the early afternoon of November 4th. The frustration of the previous night was starting to give way to patience as key swing states and counties continued to count votes. At the time they recorded, there was general agreement that <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden">Joe Biden</a> would prevail, narrowly, and become the 46th President of the U.S.</p><p>Frank says this is the most extraordinary election of his lifetime, both in terms of nail-biting outcome but also in view of the massive turnout and unusual process of early voting and mail-in ballots.</p><p>He tells us that his frustration of the past weeks and months has turned into “inspiration” as he ponders the fact that a divided government might be a good thing, because it will force Washington to compromise and therefore better represent the people. He and Debbie take a brief walk down memory lane for some of the most memorable elections of his lifetime, the first being FDR’s unprecedented third election in 1940 with Henry Wallace as his running mate, when Frank was nine years old. When Debbie was nine, she remembers waking up with excitement the morning after Kennedy was elected in 1960.</p><p>There are a few things Debbie and Frank didn’t get around to specifically discussing, including the record turnout, the highest in a century. And they didn’t have enough time to go deeply into examining the divide in this country, between rural and urban, educated and less educated, and the belief in astonishingly opposing narratives.</p><p>You can’t help but sense this man's optimism, despite this difficult year and despite the real difficulties that lie ahead as we try to unite a deeply divided nation. He lets us go with a word of wisdom on the importance of collaboration even with those you don’t agree with.</p><p><br /> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li>Frank’s blog: <a href="https://fawideas.com">https://fawideas.com</a></li><li><a href="https://fawideas.com/about/">Frank Weil's bio</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/PROOF-Frank-silver-spoon-knives/dp/B07JZBP2XZ/">Let Me Be Frank: From a Silver Spoon to the Knives and Forks in the Road of My Life</a> (FAW’s autobiography)</li><li><a href="https://fawideas.com/2020/11/04/the-result-will-not-be-too-different-from-expectations/">The Result Will Not Be Too Different From Expectations</a> (his blog post on Nov. 4, 2020)</li><li>Frank's appearance on <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-1-gap-years-are-not-wasted-on-the-young/">Episode 1 of the podcast</a></li><li><i>Why counting the votes takes so long: </i><a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/10/22/election-night-marks-the-end-of-one-phase-of-campaign-2020-and-the-start-of-another/"><i>Here's what happens after polls close in a US presidential election</i></a><i> (Pew Research Center, October 22, 2020)</i></li><li><a href="https://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/memorable-elections"><i>Memorable Elections</i></a><i> (History.com, August 10, 2020)</i></li><li>Truman vs Dewey: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_United_States_presidential_election">The 1948 United States presidential election</a></li><li>The most famous election headline in U.S. history: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey_Defeats_Truman">Dewey Defeats Truman</a></li><li>Nixon vs. Kennedy: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_United_States_presidential_election">The 1960 United States presidential election</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_A._Wallace">Henry A. Wallace</a>, the 33rd Vice President of the USA</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>WE ARE LOOKING FOR A SPONSOR. If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife (GenX and Boomer) listeners, who are active, open to change and new possibilities, and who think differently about lifestyle, finances, and retirement, </strong><a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/"><strong>contact Debbie Weil</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Debbie Weil and Sam Harrington's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul><p> </p>
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      <title>Kathleen Billings on Steering a Small Town in Maine Through COVID and a Tense Election Year</title>
      <description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Debbie talks to <a href="https://www.stoningtonmaine.org/gov/town-manager.php">Kathleen Billings</a>, town manager of <a href="https://www.stoningtonmaine.org/">Stonington, Maine</a>, the small coastal village on <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deer_Isle_(island)">Deer Isle</a> that she and her husband now call home.</p><p>Debbie wanted to talk to a local leader about the challenges of this election and pandemic year and Kathleen was the perfect person. She is matter of fact, deeply knowledgeable, and forthright.</p><p>Kathleen, 56, has been Stonington’s Town Manager for almost 20 years. She tells us how the town’s twin industries of fishing and tourism have fared and how she began to prepare for COVID back in February.  She and Debbie talk about the friction between People From Away (PFA) and locals and how it was exacerbated by COVID. </p><p>They also talk about the political tensions that Kathleen has had to face this year and how she‘s handled them. On a side note Kathleen talks about the very real issue of rising sea levels and how the town is addressing that.</p><p>They end by reflecting on the year 2020 and how Kathleen has focused on maintaining a positive atmosphere so that everyone can get through this time without being "ground under," as she puts it. She expresses gratitude for the many nonprofits on the island that address community needs.</p><p>PHOTO CREDIT: Debbie Weil</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.stoningtonmaine.org/">Town of Stonington, ME</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deer_Isle,_Maine">Town of Deer Isle, ME</a></li><li><a href="https://co.hancock.me.us/site/">Hancock County, ME</a></li><li><a href="https://www.ellsworthamerican.com/our-town/manager-embraces-towns-waterfront-way-of-life/">Manager embraces town's waterfront way of life</a> (Ellsworth American, July 17, 2019)</li><li><a href="https://bangordailynews.com/2020/04/13/news/some-worry-about-a-darker-edge-to-maines-attitude-toward-outsiders-during-pandemic/">Maine's attitude towards outsiders ignites fears during pandemic</a> (Bangor Daily News, April 13, 2020 )</li><li><a href="https://islandadvantages.com/news/2020/jul/30/stoningtons-little-houses-removed-after-one-is-van/#.X5myWlNKgbk">Stonington's little houses removed after one is vandalized</a> (Island AdVantages, July 30, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://extension.umaine.edu/maineclimatenews/archives/fall-2010/maines-climate-future-coastal-vulnerability-to-sea-level-rise/#:~:text=Sea%2Dlevel%20rise%20past%2C%20present%2C%20and%20future&text=Modern%2Dday%20measurements%20at%20a,in%20the%20last%205%2C000%20years">Maine's Coastal Vulnerability to Sea-level Rise</a> (University of Maine)</li><li><a href="https://islandadvantages.com/multimedia/gallery/2020/oct/16/neville-hardy-leaves-a-deer-isle-legacy/#.X5sWDFNKgbk">Obit for Kathleen's legendary uncle, Neville Hardy </a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/island-women-speak/">Island Women Speak</a> and <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/island-women-speak-storytelling-stonington-maine/">the podcast episode</a></li><li><a href="https://fawideas.com/">Frank Weil's blog</a> on liberal politics</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Some of the local groups on Deer Isle that work together:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://healthyislandproject.org/">Healthy Island Project (HIP)</a></li><li><a href="https://healthyislandproject.org/age-friendly-island/">Salt Air Seniors</a> run by Barrett Gray</li><li><a href="https://operahousearts.org">Opera House Arts</a></li><li><a href="https://www.stoningtonlibrary.org/">Stonington Library</a></li><li><a href="https://islandadvantages.com/">Island Ad-Vantages</a> (the local newspaper)</li><li><a href="http://www.dishs.org/">Deer Isle-Stonington High School</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>WE ARE LOOKING FOR A SPONSOR</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife (GenX and Boomer) listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>. Our audience is active, open to adventure and change, and willing to think differently about lifestyle, finances, and retirement.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Debbie Weil and Sam Harrington's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2020 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>wordbiz@gmail.com (Kathleen Billings, Debbie Weil)</author>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Debbie talks to <a href="https://www.stoningtonmaine.org/gov/town-manager.php">Kathleen Billings</a>, town manager of <a href="https://www.stoningtonmaine.org/">Stonington, Maine</a>, the small coastal village on <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deer_Isle_(island)">Deer Isle</a> that she and her husband now call home.</p><p>Debbie wanted to talk to a local leader about the challenges of this election and pandemic year and Kathleen was the perfect person. She is matter of fact, deeply knowledgeable, and forthright.</p><p>Kathleen, 56, has been Stonington’s Town Manager for almost 20 years. She tells us how the town’s twin industries of fishing and tourism have fared and how she began to prepare for COVID back in February.  She and Debbie talk about the friction between People From Away (PFA) and locals and how it was exacerbated by COVID. </p><p>They also talk about the political tensions that Kathleen has had to face this year and how she‘s handled them. On a side note Kathleen talks about the very real issue of rising sea levels and how the town is addressing that.</p><p>They end by reflecting on the year 2020 and how Kathleen has focused on maintaining a positive atmosphere so that everyone can get through this time without being "ground under," as she puts it. She expresses gratitude for the many nonprofits on the island that address community needs.</p><p>PHOTO CREDIT: Debbie Weil</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.stoningtonmaine.org/">Town of Stonington, ME</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deer_Isle,_Maine">Town of Deer Isle, ME</a></li><li><a href="https://co.hancock.me.us/site/">Hancock County, ME</a></li><li><a href="https://www.ellsworthamerican.com/our-town/manager-embraces-towns-waterfront-way-of-life/">Manager embraces town's waterfront way of life</a> (Ellsworth American, July 17, 2019)</li><li><a href="https://bangordailynews.com/2020/04/13/news/some-worry-about-a-darker-edge-to-maines-attitude-toward-outsiders-during-pandemic/">Maine's attitude towards outsiders ignites fears during pandemic</a> (Bangor Daily News, April 13, 2020 )</li><li><a href="https://islandadvantages.com/news/2020/jul/30/stoningtons-little-houses-removed-after-one-is-van/#.X5myWlNKgbk">Stonington's little houses removed after one is vandalized</a> (Island AdVantages, July 30, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://extension.umaine.edu/maineclimatenews/archives/fall-2010/maines-climate-future-coastal-vulnerability-to-sea-level-rise/#:~:text=Sea%2Dlevel%20rise%20past%2C%20present%2C%20and%20future&text=Modern%2Dday%20measurements%20at%20a,in%20the%20last%205%2C000%20years">Maine's Coastal Vulnerability to Sea-level Rise</a> (University of Maine)</li><li><a href="https://islandadvantages.com/multimedia/gallery/2020/oct/16/neville-hardy-leaves-a-deer-isle-legacy/#.X5sWDFNKgbk">Obit for Kathleen's legendary uncle, Neville Hardy </a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/island-women-speak/">Island Women Speak</a> and <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/island-women-speak-storytelling-stonington-maine/">the podcast episode</a></li><li><a href="https://fawideas.com/">Frank Weil's blog</a> on liberal politics</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Some of the local groups on Deer Isle that work together:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://healthyislandproject.org/">Healthy Island Project (HIP)</a></li><li><a href="https://healthyislandproject.org/age-friendly-island/">Salt Air Seniors</a> run by Barrett Gray</li><li><a href="https://operahousearts.org">Opera House Arts</a></li><li><a href="https://www.stoningtonlibrary.org/">Stonington Library</a></li><li><a href="https://islandadvantages.com/">Island Ad-Vantages</a> (the local newspaper)</li><li><a href="http://www.dishs.org/">Deer Isle-Stonington High School</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>WE ARE LOOKING FOR A SPONSOR</strong></p><p>If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife (GenX and Boomer) listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>. Our audience is active, open to adventure and change, and willing to think differently about lifestyle, finances, and retirement.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Debbie Weil and Sam Harrington's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Today, Debbie talks to Kerry Hannon, author of the new and well-timed <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1119647770/">Great Pajama Jobs: Your Complete Guide to Working from Home</a>. Kerry is the author of 14 books and an expert on career transitions, entrepreneurship, personal finance, and retirement. She writes regularly for <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/search?query=kerry+hannon">The New York Times</a>, MediaWatch, Forbes and other media outlets, including <a href="https://www.nextavenue.org/writer/kerry-hannon/">NextAvenue.org</a>.</p><p>Kerry answers the question: will we ever return to the office or is remote working here to stay? Debbie wishes WFH (working from home) had been an accepted phenomenon decades ago when she had small children.</p><p>Kerry shares some key skills that can make working from home more effective (good communication, discipline, technical literacy) as well as tips for older and more experienced workers, including the semi-retired. She makes the point that work is not just about the money.</p><p>They also talk about ageism, still a pervasive issue in the workplace, and how remote work might alleviate it by focusing attention on performance and productivity.</p><p>Finally, they talk about one of Kerry's favorite topics: cultivating resilience by learning new skills. Expand your brain, she says. Adopt a beginner’s mind, stay open, and take risks. Consider living and working in a foreign country that is welcoming to location-independent workers. </p><p>Perhaps not compatible with our pandemic world right now, but travel and living somewhere else are often part of a gap year dream.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://kerryhannon.com/">kerryhannon.com</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1119647770/">Great Pajama Jobs, Your Complete Guide to Working From Home</a> (Wiley, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/02/health/resilience-learning-building-skills.html">To Build Emotional Strength, Expand Your Brain</a> by Kerry Hannon (NYTimes, Sept. 2,2020)</li><li><a href="https://kerryhannon.com/?p=8470">Can Working Remotely Beat Ageism?</a> (Retirement Wisdom podcast, Sept. 26, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://dorieclark.com/about/">Dorie Clark</a></li><li><a href="https://simonsinek.com/">Simon Sinek</a></li><li><a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley </a></li><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/learning/">LinkedIn Learning </a></li></ul><p> </p><p>A few job boards recommended by Kerry:</p><ul><li><a href="https://www.flexjobs.com/">FlexJobs</a></li><li><a href="https://wahve.com/">WAHVE</a> (Work at Home Vintage Experts)</li><li><a href="https://www.workingnomads.co/jobs">Working Nomads</a></li></ul><p> </p><p>Places Kerry recommends to work remotely (once the pandemic is over):</p><ul><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonia">Estonia</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City">Mexico City</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medell%C3%ADn">Medellín, Columbia </a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor.</strong> If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">MEA</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a></li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Debbie Weil and Sam Harrington's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Today Debbie speaks with <a href="https://juliettekayyem.com/about/">Juliette Kayyem</a>, a longtime national security and terrorism expert with over 160,000 followers on Twitter. She has an extraordinary resume of public and private service, starting with the Dept. of Justice as a young lawyer, and then joining the National Commission on Terrorism in 1999 and helping to write their report, published in June 2000, recognizing the growing terror threat in the U.S. She gave birth to her first child a few weeks before 9/11.</p><p>She became the Assistant Secretary for Intergovernmental Affairs in the Department of Homeland Security, where she handled the agency's response to the H1N1 pandemic and orchestrated the complicated government response to the BP oil spill in 2010. </p><p>Later she became a Pulitzer Prize-nominated columnist for <a href="http://archive.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/juliette_kayyem/kayyem_biography/">The Boston Globe</a> and started her own consulting company. She's now a professor at the Harvard Kennedy School and an analyst for CNN. She's also, importantly, the mother of three and the author of a terrific book - part memoir, part primer - titled <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Security-Mom-Life-Protecting-Homeland/dp/1476733759">Security Mom: My Life Protecting the Home and Homeland</a>. Disaster is her thing, or as she puts it: "Sh*t happens."  It's how you assess risk, prepare for, and respond  to disaster that counts.</p><p>They recorded this conversation before Trump tested positive for COVID so you won’t hear mention of that. But they do talk about the sense of anxiety in this country right now, both because of COVID and because of the current President. And about Trump’s attempts to stoke fear, and to incite violence, with his veiled but clear Tweets. She calls what Trump does on Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/stochasticterrorism?lang=en">#stochasticterrorism</a>. To her delight, it’s been adopted as a hash tag. It means random and unpredictable violence which, she tells us, is the definition of terrorism.</p><p>Debbie loved this brief conversation and hopes you will too. Juliette is an optimist and endlessly energetic. She's a breath of fresh air during this anxiety-ridden period in the U.S. Towards the end of the interview, she says she has to get off the call to get ready for a CNN appearance. She's 51, she tells us, so she needs time to do her hair and make-up. The CNN segment, on which she appeared minutes later, showed her ready for primetime, Zooming in from her home in Cambridge, Massachusetts. </p><p>Tune in to hear from an optimistic and inspiring Security Mom (a play on Soccer Mom, in case that didn't jump out at you!).</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li>Juliette on <a href="https://twitter.com/juliettekayyem">Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/stochasticterrorism?lang=en">#stochasticterrorism</a></li><li><a href="https://juliettekayyem.com/">JulietteKayyem.com</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juliette_Kayyem">Bio on Wikipedia</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Security-Mom-Life-Protecting-Homeland/dp/1476733759/">Security Mom: An Unclassified Guide to Protecting Our Homeland and Your Home</a> byJuliette Kayyem (Simon & Schuster 2017; original title)</li><li>Her articles for <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/author/juliette-kayyem/?gclid=CjwKCAjw5p_8BRBUEiwAPpJO63XiXX273HwJ1GU37tiYngnmcGBHP44vMP-rlTHdrPKMGg-KExztvBoCGO4QAvD_BwE">The Atlantic</a></li><li><a href="https://www.hks.harvard.edu/faculty/juliette-kayyem">Senior Lecturer in International Security</a> at Harvard Kennedy School</li><li><a href="https://www.cnn.com/profiles/juliette-kayyem-profile">CNN Analyst</a></li><li>Juliette <a href="https://twitter.com/porter_anderson/status/1314542602675539968?s=21">on CNN talking about #stochatisticterrorism</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Report_of_the_National_Commission_on_Terrorism#:~:text=The%20Report%20of%20the%20National,Sonnenberg%20served%20as%20Vice%20Chairman.">Report of the National Commission on Terrorism</a> published June 2000</li><li><a href="https://www.dhs.gov/">U.S. Department of Homeland Security</a></li><li>Her recent favorite read for relaxation: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Vanishing-Half-Novel-Brit-Bennett/dp/0525536299">The Vanishing Half: A Novel </a> by Brit Bennett</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor.</strong> If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Debbie Weil and Sam Harrington's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul>
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      <author>wordbiz@gmail.com (Debbie Weil, Juliette Kayyem)</author>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today Debbie speaks with <a href="https://juliettekayyem.com/about/">Juliette Kayyem</a>, a longtime national security and terrorism expert with over 160,000 followers on Twitter. She has an extraordinary resume of public and private service, starting with the Dept. of Justice as a young lawyer, and then joining the National Commission on Terrorism in 1999 and helping to write their report, published in June 2000, recognizing the growing terror threat in the U.S. She gave birth to her first child a few weeks before 9/11.</p><p>She became the Assistant Secretary for Intergovernmental Affairs in the Department of Homeland Security, where she handled the agency's response to the H1N1 pandemic and orchestrated the complicated government response to the BP oil spill in 2010. </p><p>Later she became a Pulitzer Prize-nominated columnist for <a href="http://archive.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/juliette_kayyem/kayyem_biography/">The Boston Globe</a> and started her own consulting company. She's now a professor at the Harvard Kennedy School and an analyst for CNN. She's also, importantly, the mother of three and the author of a terrific book - part memoir, part primer - titled <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Security-Mom-Life-Protecting-Homeland/dp/1476733759">Security Mom: My Life Protecting the Home and Homeland</a>. Disaster is her thing, or as she puts it: "Sh*t happens."  It's how you assess risk, prepare for, and respond  to disaster that counts.</p><p>They recorded this conversation before Trump tested positive for COVID so you won’t hear mention of that. But they do talk about the sense of anxiety in this country right now, both because of COVID and because of the current President. And about Trump’s attempts to stoke fear, and to incite violence, with his veiled but clear Tweets. She calls what Trump does on Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/stochasticterrorism?lang=en">#stochasticterrorism</a>. To her delight, it’s been adopted as a hash tag. It means random and unpredictable violence which, she tells us, is the definition of terrorism.</p><p>Debbie loved this brief conversation and hopes you will too. Juliette is an optimist and endlessly energetic. She's a breath of fresh air during this anxiety-ridden period in the U.S. Towards the end of the interview, she says she has to get off the call to get ready for a CNN appearance. She's 51, she tells us, so she needs time to do her hair and make-up. The CNN segment, on which she appeared minutes later, showed her ready for primetime, Zooming in from her home in Cambridge, Massachusetts. </p><p>Tune in to hear from an optimistic and inspiring Security Mom (a play on Soccer Mom, in case that didn't jump out at you!).</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li>Juliette on <a href="https://twitter.com/juliettekayyem">Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/stochasticterrorism?lang=en">#stochasticterrorism</a></li><li><a href="https://juliettekayyem.com/">JulietteKayyem.com</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juliette_Kayyem">Bio on Wikipedia</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Security-Mom-Life-Protecting-Homeland/dp/1476733759/">Security Mom: An Unclassified Guide to Protecting Our Homeland and Your Home</a> byJuliette Kayyem (Simon & Schuster 2017; original title)</li><li>Her articles for <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/author/juliette-kayyem/?gclid=CjwKCAjw5p_8BRBUEiwAPpJO63XiXX273HwJ1GU37tiYngnmcGBHP44vMP-rlTHdrPKMGg-KExztvBoCGO4QAvD_BwE">The Atlantic</a></li><li><a href="https://www.hks.harvard.edu/faculty/juliette-kayyem">Senior Lecturer in International Security</a> at Harvard Kennedy School</li><li><a href="https://www.cnn.com/profiles/juliette-kayyem-profile">CNN Analyst</a></li><li>Juliette <a href="https://twitter.com/porter_anderson/status/1314542602675539968?s=21">on CNN talking about #stochatisticterrorism</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Report_of_the_National_Commission_on_Terrorism#:~:text=The%20Report%20of%20the%20National,Sonnenberg%20served%20as%20Vice%20Chairman.">Report of the National Commission on Terrorism</a> published June 2000</li><li><a href="https://www.dhs.gov/">U.S. Department of Homeland Security</a></li><li>Her recent favorite read for relaxation: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Vanishing-Half-Novel-Brit-Bennett/dp/0525536299">The Vanishing Half: A Novel </a> by Brit Bennett</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor.</strong> If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Debbie Weil and Sam Harrington's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul>
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      <title>The View From London:  Alyson Hoggart on Coping With COVID, Speeding Up Relationships, and the Importance of Communicating</title>
      <description><![CDATA[<p>Note: <strong>The Gap Year Podcast</strong> is looking for a sponsor! If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact">contact Debbie Weil</a>.  More about the show <a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">here</a>.</p><p>Debbie brings Alyson Hoggart, one of her oldest and most special friends, onto the show. She and Alyson have a transatlantic friendship of many decades. They are age mates, with almost identical birthdays in the same birth year. </p><p>They chat about what it’s been like in Europe during COVID, with some interesting detours into Alyson’s life as a widow, with a new boyfriend. They talk about how the lockdown has speeded up this new relationship.</p><p>Alyson is a retired psychologist and one of the most insightful people Debbie knows. So she picks her brain for a few tips on how to cope, psychologically, during this period of social distancing. </p><p>They chat briefly about Alyson's children. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Hoggart#">Amy Hoggart</a> is a well-known actor, writer, and comedian who lives in New York. (<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxCMZaYJNRk">Don't miss Amy's hilarious appearances on Full Frontal With Samantha Bee</a>.) Her son Richard, a lawyer, lives in London.</p><p>They  also talk about Alyson's website, <a href="https://myhorridparent.com">My Horrid Parent</a>. It’s a site with resources for how to cope with a difficult parent, one who is especially critical or judgmental. It's aimed at the young but also the not-so-young. The topic is especially relevant right now for someone younger who may be unexpectedly stuck at home with a parent. Or for those dealing with an isolated elderly parent. </p><p>It was great for Debbie to catch up with Alyson and she hopes you enjoy listening in to this conversation about life across the pond. Don't miss the bit about Richard's COVID cat.</p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.myhorridparent.com/">My Horrid Parent </a></li><li><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/mar/11/horrid-parents-how-survive-them-alyson-corner-angela-levin">Horrible parents: a survival guide</a> (article in The Guardian)</li><li>Alyson's daughter: actor, writer, and comedian <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Hoggart#">Amy Hoggart</a></li><li><a href="https://www.trutv.com/shows/its-personal-with-amy-hoggart">It’s Personal with Amy Hoggart</a></li><li>Amy's best episodes on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxCMZaYJNRk">Full Frontal with Samantha Bee</a> (this is hilarious)</li><li>Obituary of Alyson's late husband, journalist <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jan/06/simon-hoggart-obituary">Simon Hoggart</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/europe/united-kingdom-coronavirus-cases.html">United Kingdom COVID Map and Case Count</a> (New York Times)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor.</strong> If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Debbie Weil and Sam Harrington's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 9 Oct 2020 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>wordbiz@gmail.com (Debbie Weil, Alyson Hoggart)</author>
      <link>https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s3-ep2-the-view-from-london-alyson-hoggart-on-coping-with-covid-speeding-up-relationships-and-the-importance-of-communicating/</link>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note: <strong>The Gap Year Podcast</strong> is looking for a sponsor! If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact">contact Debbie Weil</a>.  More about the show <a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast">here</a>.</p><p>Debbie brings Alyson Hoggart, one of her oldest and most special friends, onto the show. She and Alyson have a transatlantic friendship of many decades. They are age mates, with almost identical birthdays in the same birth year. </p><p>They chat about what it’s been like in Europe during COVID, with some interesting detours into Alyson’s life as a widow, with a new boyfriend. They talk about how the lockdown has speeded up this new relationship.</p><p>Alyson is a retired psychologist and one of the most insightful people Debbie knows. So she picks her brain for a few tips on how to cope, psychologically, during this period of social distancing. </p><p>They chat briefly about Alyson's children. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Hoggart#">Amy Hoggart</a> is a well-known actor, writer, and comedian who lives in New York. (<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxCMZaYJNRk">Don't miss Amy's hilarious appearances on Full Frontal With Samantha Bee</a>.) Her son Richard, a lawyer, lives in London.</p><p>They  also talk about Alyson's website, <a href="https://myhorridparent.com">My Horrid Parent</a>. It’s a site with resources for how to cope with a difficult parent, one who is especially critical or judgmental. It's aimed at the young but also the not-so-young. The topic is especially relevant right now for someone younger who may be unexpectedly stuck at home with a parent. Or for those dealing with an isolated elderly parent. </p><p>It was great for Debbie to catch up with Alyson and she hopes you enjoy listening in to this conversation about life across the pond. Don't miss the bit about Richard's COVID cat.</p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.myhorridparent.com/">My Horrid Parent </a></li><li><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/mar/11/horrid-parents-how-survive-them-alyson-corner-angela-levin">Horrible parents: a survival guide</a> (article in The Guardian)</li><li>Alyson's daughter: actor, writer, and comedian <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Hoggart#">Amy Hoggart</a></li><li><a href="https://www.trutv.com/shows/its-personal-with-amy-hoggart">It’s Personal with Amy Hoggart</a></li><li>Amy's best episodes on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxCMZaYJNRk">Full Frontal with Samantha Bee</a> (this is hilarious)</li><li>Obituary of Alyson's late husband, journalist <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jan/06/simon-hoggart-obituary">Simon Hoggart</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/europe/united-kingdom-coronavirus-cases.html">United Kingdom COVID Map and Case Count</a> (New York Times)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>We are looking for a sponsor.</strong> If you are interested in reaching a smart and thoughtful audience of midlife, and older, listeners, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Media Partners:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a></li><li><a href="http://encore.org">Encore.org</a></li><li><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it will help us find a sponsor! If you are interested, <a href="https://debbieweil.com/contact/">contact Debbie Weil</a>.</li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://thefarout.life/">Far Out Media</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music: <a href="https://app.sessions.blue/browse/track/e9572e9a-dc3b-441d-a154-1827c7365c77">Lakeside Path by Duck Lake</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Debbie Weil and Sam Harrington's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Debbie brings Chip back on the show to discuss the future of travel, what travel means for many of us, and what the substitutions might be.</p><p>Chip is a New York Times bestselling author, a thought leader at the intersection of psychology and business, and an influential hospitality entrepreneur. Recently he has become a rockstar of the mid-life transition movement, as the founder of <a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">Modern Elder Academy</a> in Baja, Mexico. Chip was a guest on Season 1 of this podcast over a year ago, right after Debbie attended one of MEA’s week-long programs, a transformative experience.</p><p>We’ve all been wondering what travel will look like in the future, whether it’s for a gap year or timeout, or for bucket list destinations.  Debbie felt Chip was just the right person to talk to about this.</p><p>They discuss how digital nomads might become mainstream now that remote working is becoming the norm. Chip shares his prognostications about the future of travel: what kind of travel will come back first? What parts of the industry will NOT come back?</p><p>They also talk about how to reinvent yourself without travel (connect with nature, connect with yourself via mindfulness, yoga, journaling) and how to satisfy your cultural curiosity without getting on a plane.</p><p>Chip shares one of his “Chip-isms” (as Debbie calls his wordplays) on the current situation and they talk about some of the silver linings of their respective lockdown experiences.</p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/chip-conley-growing-wise-at-modern-elder-academy/">S1 - EP6: Chip Conley on Growing Wise at Modern Elder Academy</a></li><li><a href="https://chipconley.com/">About Chip Conley</a></li><li>Chip Conley's <a href="https://wisdomwell.modernelderacademy.com/">Wisdom Well blog</a></li><li><a href="https://wisdomwell.modernelderacademy.com/the-digital-nomad-goes-mainstream">The Digital Nomad Goes Mainstream</a> by Chip Conley (June 9, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://seniornomads.com/">Senior Nomads Debbie and Michael Campbell</a></li><li>Author <a href="https://picoiyerjourneys.com/">Pico Iyer</a>:  <a href="https://www.vagablogging.net/travel-is-not-really-about-leaving-our-homes-but-leaving-our-habits.html">"Travel is not really about leaving our homes, but leaving our habits.”</a></li><li><a href="https://wisdomwell.modernelderacademy.com/your-gap-year-whats-stopping-you">Your Gap Year: What's Stopping You</a> by Debbie Weil (Dec. 19, 2019)</li></ul><p> </p><p>PHOTO CREDIT: Lisa Keating</p><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it means so much!</li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://www.jrkrikorian.com/services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de/">Manuel Senfft</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Debbie and Sam's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debbie brings Chip back on the show to discuss the future of travel, what travel means for many of us, and what the substitutions might be.</p><p>Chip is a New York Times bestselling author, a thought leader at the intersection of psychology and business, and an influential hospitality entrepreneur. Recently he has become a rockstar of the mid-life transition movement, as the founder of <a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">Modern Elder Academy</a> in Baja, Mexico. Chip was a guest on Season 1 of this podcast over a year ago, right after Debbie attended one of MEA’s week-long programs, a transformative experience.</p><p>We’ve all been wondering what travel will look like in the future, whether it’s for a gap year or timeout, or for bucket list destinations.  Debbie felt Chip was just the right person to talk to about this.</p><p>They discuss how digital nomads might become mainstream now that remote working is becoming the norm. Chip shares his prognostications about the future of travel: what kind of travel will come back first? What parts of the industry will NOT come back?</p><p>They also talk about how to reinvent yourself without travel (connect with nature, connect with yourself via mindfulness, yoga, journaling) and how to satisfy your cultural curiosity without getting on a plane.</p><p>Chip shares one of his “Chip-isms” (as Debbie calls his wordplays) on the current situation and they talk about some of the silver linings of their respective lockdown experiences.</p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/chip-conley-growing-wise-at-modern-elder-academy/">S1 - EP6: Chip Conley on Growing Wise at Modern Elder Academy</a></li><li><a href="https://chipconley.com/">About Chip Conley</a></li><li>Chip Conley's <a href="https://wisdomwell.modernelderacademy.com/">Wisdom Well blog</a></li><li><a href="https://wisdomwell.modernelderacademy.com/the-digital-nomad-goes-mainstream">The Digital Nomad Goes Mainstream</a> by Chip Conley (June 9, 2020)</li><li><a href="https://seniornomads.com/">Senior Nomads Debbie and Michael Campbell</a></li><li>Author <a href="https://picoiyerjourneys.com/">Pico Iyer</a>:  <a href="https://www.vagablogging.net/travel-is-not-really-about-leaving-our-homes-but-leaving-our-habits.html">"Travel is not really about leaving our homes, but leaving our habits.”</a></li><li><a href="https://wisdomwell.modernelderacademy.com/your-gap-year-whats-stopping-you">Your Gap Year: What's Stopping You</a> by Debbie Weil (Dec. 19, 2019)</li></ul><p> </p><p>PHOTO CREDIT: Lisa Keating</p><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it means so much!</li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://www.jrkrikorian.com/services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de/">Manuel Senfft</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Debbie and Sam's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Blanche Colson got in touch with Debbie Weil after listening to a previous episode with entrepreneur <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/s2-ep16-peter-corbett-on-mortality-dying-and-a-new-life-of-service/">Peter Corbett</a> on the topic of mortality, death and becoming a hospice volunteer. Blanche knew Peter through the <a href="https://zencare.org/">New York Zen Center for Contemplative Care</a> and wanted to tell her own story about her evolving relationship with death. </p><p>Blanche retired after a career in school administration in Eugene, OR. She’s an empty nester, having raised two children as a single parent, and was wondering <i>what’s next</i> when a near fatal car accident jolted her into realizing it was time to make a change.  She wanted to get more comfortable with the mystery of death and our reluctance to talk about it so she moved from Eugene to New York to study at the Zen Center, where she met Peter. This is where Debbie challenges her on being <i>ordinary,</i> as not everyone would get on a plane and move to New York to study death and dying.</p><p>Through the Zen Center’s program, she learnt the basics of contemplative care: sitting at the bedside of the sick and dying, truly listening and resisting the impulse to save or rescue them. As part of the training, she volunteered at a geriatric center where the residents were wheelchair or bed bound and utterly dependent on the staff for their needs. </p><p>You’ll hear her mention Chodo. Robert Chodo Campbell is a well-known Sensei or Buddhist teacher and the co-founder of NY’s Zen Center. He was Blanche’s mentor. </p><p>There’s one more thing Blanche mentions: an <i>intentional community</i>.  It means a planned residential community designed around social cohesion and teamwork. Not a hippie commune exactly but definitely a place for the alternative-minded. She lived in an intentional community near Eugene for 20 years. And she chose <a href="http://www.ganas.org/index.html">Ganas</a>, an intentional community on Staten Island, as her home in New York. Again not something that an ordinary person might do.</p><p>Finally, Blanche’s time at the Zen Center was only the first step in her journey to change the perception of death as dark, fearful and something we can’t talk about. Since this conversation she has officially started her training to become a death celebrant or death doula. </p><p>Blanche pitched herself as an ordinary person, someone whose perspective is too often lacking on podcasts. But she’s really not ordinary at all. She’s brave and adventurous, just the kind of guest who should be on a Gap Year podcast.</p><p> </p><p><strong>What they talked about</strong></p><ul><li>Why death as a topic is taboo</li><li>What it means to be an ordinary person</li><li>How her experience as an African American woman has affected her spirituality</li><li>The unfairness of life for an African American woman</li><li>How old people are tucked away</li><li>Learning to really listen instead of wanting to fix other people’s suffering</li><li>Learning how not to judge</li><li>The advantage of spontaneity in making life changing decisions</li><li>Her advice for ordinary people seeking to make a change: take the next step and forget about the big picture</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in the episode or useful links</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07C216WLJ/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1">Let's Talk About Death (Over Dinner)</a></li><li><a href="https://zencare.org/">New York Zen Center for Contemplative Care</a></li><li><a href="https://zencare.org/zenus/robert-chodo-campbell-hhc/">Sensei Robert Chodo Campbell </a>(Blanche’s mentor)</li><li><a href="http://www.ganas.org/index.html">Ganas</a> community on Staten Island</li><li>Definition of an <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intentional_community">intentional community</a></li><li><a href="https://www.nycnvc.org/what-is-nycnvc">The New York Center for Nonviolent Communication</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_midwife">Death midwife or doula</a></li><li><a href="https://thefaroutpodcast.simplecast.com/episodes/84-tUV82bkC">Blanche interviewed on the Far Out podcast on "reclaiming death and grief</a></li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it means so much!</li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://www.jrkrikorian.com/services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de/">Manuel Senfft</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Debbie and Sam's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul>
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This is where Debbie challenges her on being <i>ordinary,</i> as not everyone would get on a plane and move to New York to study death and dying.</p><p>Through the Zen Center’s program, she learnt the basics of contemplative care: sitting at the bedside of the sick and dying, truly listening and resisting the impulse to save or rescue them. As part of the training, she volunteered at a geriatric center where the residents were wheelchair or bed bound and utterly dependent on the staff for their needs. </p><p>You’ll hear her mention Chodo. Robert Chodo Campbell is a well-known Sensei or Buddhist teacher and the co-founder of NY’s Zen Center. He was Blanche’s mentor. </p><p>There’s one more thing Blanche mentions: an <i>intentional community</i>.  It means a planned residential community designed around social cohesion and teamwork. Not a hippie commune exactly but definitely a place for the alternative-minded. She lived in an intentional community near Eugene for 20 years. 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There were no handouts, you were not allowed to take notes, he encouraged questions by handing out prizes and he served weird (at the time) vegetarian snacks. Always, there was his insistence on authenticity and consistency. In other words, be clear about who you are and what you do and why it matters. Debbie was working on her book about blogging (<a href="https://debbieweil.com/books/">The Corporate Blogging Book</a>) and he suggested that she call herself “the Mona Lisa of Blogging.” She did, for a time!</p><p>Seth has published 19 bestselling books (<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Dip-Little-Book-Teaches-Stick/dp/1591841666/">The Dip</a> and <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Linchpin-Are-Indispensable-Seth-Godin/dp/0749953659/">Linchpin</a> are two of Debbie's favorites). Although he may be best known as an author and blogger, in the past five years Seth has increasingly defined  himself as a <a href="https://seths.blog/about/">teacher</a>. He’s gotten deeply into online learning through <a href="https://akimbo.com/">Akimbo</a>, the organization he founded  that, with a small team, is the hub of his online projects. It’s also the name of his <a href="https://www.akimbo.link/">podcast</a>. But take the emphasis off <i>online</i> learning because it’s really the <i>future</i> of learning that he’s interested in. A future that leverages the wisdom of your cohort, the people you are enrolled with, and that requires engagement, generosity and kindness.</p><p>One of his online projects is a podcasting workshop. It’s where this podcast was born and where Debbie met producer Julie-Roxane.</p><p>Debbie invited him on the show after he blogged recently about taking a gap year. She figured it was a perfect chance to hear more of his thoughts about gap years, for adults or students, and how or why such an experience might be relevant right now. And to find out what else was on his mind during this unprecedented time. They talk about:</p><ul><li>Whether or not he has paused over the past several months</li><li>How his life is an art project and what that means</li><li>What you might consider doing with your time during the pandemic</li><li>Why in-person learning is <i>not</i> necessarily better</li><li>The future of business travel</li><li>The importance of mindset (and how changing that might be enough right now)</li><li>His thoughts about aging (he works very hard and realizes that can't last forever)</li><li>And building the habit of initiative</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in the episode or useful links</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://seths.blog/about/">About Seth</a> (author, entrepreneur, and teacher)</li><li><a href="https://akimbo.com/">Akimbo </a> (home of <a href="https://altmba.com/?_ga=2.195910959.2034054406.1593713104-1166611574.1593528156">altMBA</a> and other programs including <a href="https://podcastclub.link/?">The Podcasting Workshop</a>)</li><li><a href="https://www.akimbo.link/">Seth's podcast</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Seth-Godin/e/B000AP9EH0/">Seth's 19 books</a></li><li><a href="https://seths.blog/2020/06/consider-a-gap-year/">Consider a gap year</a> (Seth's June 1, 2020 blog post)</li><li>Seth's <a href="https://seths.blog/2014/07/thirty-years-of-projects/">30 years of projects</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Gift-Creativity-Artist-Modern-World/dp/0307279502">Lewis Hyde's The Gift</a> (a book Seth recommends)</li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/why-i-like-seth-godins-quirky-workshops/">Inside Seth's Chinatown workshop</a> (Debbie's 2005 blog post)</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/12/opinion/sunday/david-brooks-the-moral-bucket-list.html">David Brooks' legacy vs. resume virtues</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it means so much!</li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://www.jrkrikorian.com/services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de/">Manuel Senfft</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Debbie and Sam's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul>
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There were no handouts, you were not allowed to take notes, he encouraged questions by handing out prizes and he served weird (at the time) vegetarian snacks. Always, there was his insistence on authenticity and consistency. In other words, be clear about who you are and what you do and why it matters. Debbie was working on her book about blogging (<a href="https://debbieweil.com/books/">The Corporate Blogging Book</a>) and he suggested that she call herself “the Mona Lisa of Blogging.” She did, for a time!</p><p>Seth has published 19 bestselling books (<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Dip-Little-Book-Teaches-Stick/dp/1591841666/">The Dip</a> and <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Linchpin-Are-Indispensable-Seth-Godin/dp/0749953659/">Linchpin</a> are two of Debbie's favorites). Although he may be best known as an author and blogger, in the past five years Seth has increasingly defined  himself as a <a href="https://seths.blog/about/">teacher</a>. He’s gotten deeply into online learning through <a href="https://akimbo.com/">Akimbo</a>, the organization he founded  that, with a small team, is the hub of his online projects. It’s also the name of his <a href="https://www.akimbo.link/">podcast</a>. But take the emphasis off <i>online</i> learning because it’s really the <i>future</i> of learning that he’s interested in. A future that leverages the wisdom of your cohort, the people you are enrolled with, and that requires engagement, generosity and kindness.</p><p>One of his online projects is a podcasting workshop. It’s where this podcast was born and where Debbie met producer Julie-Roxane.</p><p>Debbie invited him on the show after he blogged recently about taking a gap year. She figured it was a perfect chance to hear more of his thoughts about gap years, for adults or students, and how or why such an experience might be relevant right now. And to find out what else was on his mind during this unprecedented time. 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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debbie Weil talks with <a href="https://www.facebook.com/mainehousedistrict134/">Genevieve McDonald</a>, the Maine State Representative for the remote coastal district Debbie now calls home. In addition to completing her first term in the Maine State House, Genevieve is the mother of two-year-old twin girls. She is also Capt. McDonald, lobster fishing out of Stonington, ME. Last year, at the age of 37, <a href="https://umaine.edu/news/blog/2019/05/07/genevieve-mcdonald-a-lobster-boat-captain-and-legislator-to-graduate-with-highest-distinction/">she graduated summa cum laude</a> from the University of Maine.</p><p>Debbie knew there was something special about Genevieve and invited her to come on the podcast to talk about stepping up during the pandemic. Genevieve has been dispensing lifeline information to the hundreds in her district out of work, steadily answering a myriad of questions about unemployment and healthcare. She also weighs in, calmly, on difficult issues like the tension between people from away and those who live in this remote corner of Maine and how the coronavirus might get here.</p><p>This podcast is about reinvention as much as gap years and it is clear that Genevieve has stepped into an unexpected role during the pandemic, reinventing herself as a fearless female leader, in her words. </p><p>They talk about how Genevieve answers 100 emails, calls, and text messages a day.  How she does this while taking care of toddler twins with her husband Cory. She holds office hours between 1 and 3 PM, when the twins are <i>hopefully</i> napping. They talk about the blurring of the line between personal and professional on social media. And the devastating impact of the pandemic on the local economy in rural Maine both the fishing industry and tourism.</p><p><strong>Mentioned in the episode</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://legislature.maine.gov/legis/housedems/mcdonaldg/index.html?fbclid=IwAR3PEh4XM6GDjEiCq58GRnaPD7uP2vFZPqKrTJnVK-ph7VG-_3JWMPzxj7Q">Genevieve's official bio</a></li><li><a href="https://umaine.edu/news/blog/2019/05/07/genevieve-mcdonald-a-lobster-boat-captain-and-legislator-to-graduate-with-highest-distinction/">Lobster boat captain and legislator graduates with highest distinction</a></li><li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/mainehousedistrict134/">Maine State District #134</a>, covering Cranberry Isles, Frenchboro, Swan's Island, Tremont, Southwest Harbor, Isle au Haut, Deer Isle, Stonington, North Haven and Vinalhaven</li></ul><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it means so much!</li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://www.jrkrikorian.com/services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de/">Manuel Senfft</a></li></ul><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Debbie and Sam's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Debbie has a conversation about writing with friend and college classmate <a href="https://english.yale.edu/people/adjunct-professors-and-senior-lecturers-creative-writers/anne-fadiman#:~:text=Anne%20Fadiman%20is%20an%20essayist,and%20downsides%20of%20upward%20mobility.&text=She%20has%20also%20edited%20a,Scholar)%20and%20two%20essay%20anthologies.">Anne Fadiman</a>. Anne is an illustrious - and revered - essayist and author, perhaps best known for her first book, the prize-winning <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Spirit-Catches-You-Fall-Down/dp/0895175312/">The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down,</a> an account of the unbridgeable cultural conflicts between a family of Hmong refugees and their American doctors. She’s spent her whole career as a reporter and editor and for the past 15 years as an <a href="https://english.yale.edu/people/adjunct-professors-and-senior-lecturers-creative-writers/anne-fadiman#:~:text=Anne%20Fadiman%20is%20an%20essayist,and%20downsides%20of%20upward%20mobility.&text=She%20has%20also%20edited%20a,Scholar)%20and%20two%20essay%20anthologies.">award-winning teacher of nonfiction writing at Yale University</a>. She’s a writer’s writer and Debbie couldn’t be more excited to have her on the show.</p><p>They talk about writing in the context of the pandemic we are living through. Should we all be writing about our daily lives right now as witnesses to history? Her answer is "<i>Yes, keep a journal," </i>just as Anne Frank did during World War II when she hid from the Nazis with her family in Amsterdam.</p><p>They talk about the intimacy of Anne's work as a writing teacher at Yale, how she and her students nonetheless jumped into Zoom classes, and how proud she is of her students, a number of whom have gone on to become well-known writers. They discuss the therapeutic benefits of writing, what it really means to take risks and to become a better writer, and the importance of reading.</p><p>She also reminisces about being confined to bed, at home, for eight months during a difficult pregnancy and how that was more difficult than sheltering in place during the pandemic. That's when she started writing essays.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in the episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Memories-Catholic-Girlhood-Mary-McCarthy-ebook/dp/B00FEZ240U">Memories of a Catholic Girlhood</a> by Mary McCarthy. Anne assigns her students "C’est le Premier Pas Qui Coûte," about how, as a girl in a new school, McCarthy reinvented her identity by pretending to lose her faith - and then found that the pretense had become real.</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Year_of_Magical_Thinking">The Year of Magical Thinking</a> by Joan Didion</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Great-Believers-Novel-Rebecca-Makkai/dp/073522353X/">The Great Believers</a> by Rebecca Makkai</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McPhee">John McPhee</a>, a pioneer of creative nonfiction and a professor of journalism at Princeton University</li></ul><p><strong>Two of Anne Fadiman's books:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Spirit-Catches-You-Fall-Down/dp/0374533407/">The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down: A Hmong Child, Her American Doctors, and the Collision of Two Cultures</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Wine-Lovers-Daughter-Memoir/dp/0374228086/">The Wine Lover's Daughter</a> (a memoir about her relationship with her father, the renowned literary critic Clifton Fadiman)</li></ul><p><strong>Pandemic-related reporting by two of her students:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/02/nyregion/coronavirus-missing-nyc.html">"New York Is Wounded. I Miss It More Than Ever,"</a> by Vivian Yee</li><li><a href="https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/whats-at-stake-in-a-viruss-name">"Trump’s 'Chinese Virus' and What’s at Stake in the Coronavirus’s Name,"</a> by Eren Orbey</li></ul><p> </p><p>Photo of Anne Fadiman by Gabriel Amadeus Cooney</p><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it means so much!</li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://www.jrkrikorian.com/services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de/">Manuel Senfft</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Debbie and Sam's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul><p> </p><p> </p>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 5 Jun 2020 06:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debbie has a conversation about writing with friend and college classmate <a href="https://english.yale.edu/people/adjunct-professors-and-senior-lecturers-creative-writers/anne-fadiman#:~:text=Anne%20Fadiman%20is%20an%20essayist,and%20downsides%20of%20upward%20mobility.&text=She%20has%20also%20edited%20a,Scholar)%20and%20two%20essay%20anthologies.">Anne Fadiman</a>. Anne is an illustrious - and revered - essayist and author, perhaps best known for her first book, the prize-winning <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Spirit-Catches-You-Fall-Down/dp/0895175312/">The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down,</a> an account of the unbridgeable cultural conflicts between a family of Hmong refugees and their American doctors. She’s spent her whole career as a reporter and editor and for the past 15 years as an <a href="https://english.yale.edu/people/adjunct-professors-and-senior-lecturers-creative-writers/anne-fadiman#:~:text=Anne%20Fadiman%20is%20an%20essayist,and%20downsides%20of%20upward%20mobility.&text=She%20has%20also%20edited%20a,Scholar)%20and%20two%20essay%20anthologies.">award-winning teacher of nonfiction writing at Yale University</a>. She’s a writer’s writer and Debbie couldn’t be more excited to have her on the show.</p><p>They talk about writing in the context of the pandemic we are living through. Should we all be writing about our daily lives right now as witnesses to history? Her answer is "<i>Yes, keep a journal," </i>just as Anne Frank did during World War II when she hid from the Nazis with her family in Amsterdam.</p><p>They talk about the intimacy of Anne's work as a writing teacher at Yale, how she and her students nonetheless jumped into Zoom classes, and how proud she is of her students, a number of whom have gone on to become well-known writers. They discuss the therapeutic benefits of writing, what it really means to take risks and to become a better writer, and the importance of reading.</p><p>She also reminisces about being confined to bed, at home, for eight months during a difficult pregnancy and how that was more difficult than sheltering in place during the pandemic. That's when she started writing essays.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in the episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Memories-Catholic-Girlhood-Mary-McCarthy-ebook/dp/B00FEZ240U">Memories of a Catholic Girlhood</a> by Mary McCarthy. Anne assigns her students "C’est le Premier Pas Qui Coûte," about how, as a girl in a new school, McCarthy reinvented her identity by pretending to lose her faith - and then found that the pretense had become real.</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Year_of_Magical_Thinking">The Year of Magical Thinking</a> by Joan Didion</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Great-Believers-Novel-Rebecca-Makkai/dp/073522353X/">The Great Believers</a> by Rebecca Makkai</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McPhee">John McPhee</a>, a pioneer of creative nonfiction and a professor of journalism at Princeton University</li></ul><p><strong>Two of Anne Fadiman's books:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Spirit-Catches-You-Fall-Down/dp/0374533407/">The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down: A Hmong Child, Her American Doctors, and the Collision of Two Cultures</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Wine-Lovers-Daughter-Memoir/dp/0374228086/">The Wine Lover's Daughter</a> (a memoir about her relationship with her father, the renowned literary critic Clifton Fadiman)</li></ul><p><strong>Pandemic-related reporting by two of her students:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/02/nyregion/coronavirus-missing-nyc.html">"New York Is Wounded. I Miss It More Than Ever,"</a> by Vivian Yee</li><li><a href="https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/whats-at-stake-in-a-viruss-name">"Trump’s 'Chinese Virus' and What’s at Stake in the Coronavirus’s Name,"</a> by Eren Orbey</li></ul><p> </p><p>Photo of Anne Fadiman by Gabriel Amadeus Cooney</p><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it means so much!</li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://www.jrkrikorian.com/services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de/">Manuel Senfft</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Debbie and Sam's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul><p> </p><p> </p>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Debbie Weil brings her husband, <a href="https://samharrington.com/sam-harrington-md/">Dr. Sam Harrington</a>, back on the show for an update on their evolving state of mind about the continuing pandemic. Like everyone else, they are settling into social distancing for the long haul. This is their new normal, at least for now.</p><p>After two months of self-isolating in their little apartment in New Haven, CT they drove back to Stonington, ME, the remote coastal village where they live. Debbie knew they would feel much safer in Maine where the infection rate is exceptionally low. Sam is not so sure. The number of positive cases of COVID-19 in Maine is less than 2,000 and the number of deaths, statewide, is fewer than 100, with only one death in their county. Those numbers are as of mid-May 2020. </p><p>But are they really that much safer? Is there really a safe place anywhere?</p><p> </p><p><strong>What they talked about:</strong></p><ul><li>How Sam is feeling: less fearful but still uncertain.</li><li>Feeling emotionally safe does not mean we are safe from the virus.</li><li>The 14-day quarantine for people coming to Maine from out-of-state (known as People From Away or PFAs) and its impact on tourism and the local economy.</li><li>The tension between locals and PFAs.</li><li>Will the new normal include immunity licenses or passports? The pros and cons and practicalities.</li><li>What the proper use of masks and gloves is (and Sam's recent blog post on the topic)</li><li>BONUS: Sam’s new protest beard... and why it is important</li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in the episode or relevant links:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.maine.gov/covid19/">Maine Gov. Janet Mills and COVID-19</a></li><li><a href="http://www.ezekielemanuel.com/bio">Dr. Ezekiel Emmanuel</a></li><li>Dr. Emanuel's <a href="https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2765836">JAMA paper on the ethics of COVID-19 licenses or immunity passports</a></li><li><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/05/10/immunity-licenses-could-help-with-reopening-only-when-implemented-properly/">Article about the ethics of immunity passports</a> (Washington Post)</li><li><a href="https://www.pressherald.com/2020/05/17/bill-nemitz-the-benefit-of-a-maine-lobster-versus-the-cost-of-a-maine-life/?">The benefit of a Maine lobster vs. the cost of a Maine life</a> (about the debate over the 14-day quarantine)</li><li>Sam's blog post: <a href="http://gapyearaftersixty.com/how-safe-will-you-be-the-proper-use-of-gloves-and-masks/">How Safe Will You Be? The Proper Use of Gloves and Masks</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it means so much!</li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://www.jrkrikorian.com/services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de/">Manuel Senfft</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Debbie and Sam's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul><p> </p><p> </p>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debbie Weil brings her husband, <a href="https://samharrington.com/sam-harrington-md/">Dr. Sam Harrington</a>, back on the show for an update on their evolving state of mind about the continuing pandemic. Like everyone else, they are settling into social distancing for the long haul. This is their new normal, at least for now.</p><p>After two months of self-isolating in their little apartment in New Haven, CT they drove back to Stonington, ME, the remote coastal village where they live. Debbie knew they would feel much safer in Maine where the infection rate is exceptionally low. Sam is not so sure. The number of positive cases of COVID-19 in Maine is less than 2,000 and the number of deaths, statewide, is fewer than 100, with only one death in their county. Those numbers are as of mid-May 2020. </p><p>But are they really that much safer? Is there really a safe place anywhere?</p><p> </p><p><strong>What they talked about:</strong></p><ul><li>How Sam is feeling: less fearful but still uncertain.</li><li>Feeling emotionally safe does not mean we are safe from the virus.</li><li>The 14-day quarantine for people coming to Maine from out-of-state (known as People From Away or PFAs) and its impact on tourism and the local economy.</li><li>The tension between locals and PFAs.</li><li>Will the new normal include immunity licenses or passports? The pros and cons and practicalities.</li><li>What the proper use of masks and gloves is (and Sam's recent blog post on the topic)</li><li>BONUS: Sam’s new protest beard... and why it is important</li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in the episode or relevant links:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.maine.gov/covid19/">Maine Gov. Janet Mills and COVID-19</a></li><li><a href="http://www.ezekielemanuel.com/bio">Dr. Ezekiel Emmanuel</a></li><li>Dr. Emanuel's <a href="https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2765836">JAMA paper on the ethics of COVID-19 licenses or immunity passports</a></li><li><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/05/10/immunity-licenses-could-help-with-reopening-only-when-implemented-properly/">Article about the ethics of immunity passports</a> (Washington Post)</li><li><a href="https://www.pressherald.com/2020/05/17/bill-nemitz-the-benefit-of-a-maine-lobster-versus-the-cost-of-a-maine-life/?">The benefit of a Maine lobster vs. the cost of a Maine life</a> (about the debate over the 14-day quarantine)</li><li>Sam's blog post: <a href="http://gapyearaftersixty.com/how-safe-will-you-be-the-proper-use-of-gloves-and-masks/">How Safe Will You Be? The Proper Use of Gloves and Masks</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it means so much!</li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://www.jrkrikorian.com/services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de/">Manuel Senfft</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Debbie and Sam's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul><p> </p><p> </p>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode Debbie talks to a real adventurer, a 63-year-old woman who spent 2019 on a self-organized global gap year. <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kimklaft/">Kim Klaft</a> quit a well-paid position as a nonprofit executive to travel and volunteer in 25 countries. Over the course of one calendar year she worked in soup kitchens, food banks, homeless shelters, orphanages and in hurricane relief efforts (see her list below) as she moved around the globe. She did this on her own, as a single woman, with the goal of embedding herself into cultures and communities. And because it was something she had always wanted to do.</p><p> </p><p>When she told her financial planner about her proposed year, she expected him to put the kibosh on it because she had not finished saving for retirement. Instead he said, "Go! Otherwise you will always regret not having done it."</p><p> </p><p>They talk about how she chose one humanitarian project after another using Google and word-of-mouth. As Kim explains it, "I researched volunteer opportunities in three ways:  1. Google searches and reading reviews; 2.  speaking with people in-country when I was fortunate enough to have a connection and/or to be introduced via e-mail; and 3. meeting people along the way who were volunteering for a particular agency. I asked questions about how volunteers were treated, whether the group was true to its cause, whether it was run in a financially responsible way, etc."</p><p> </p><p>They also talk about writing and why Kim decided <i>not</i> to write about her year while she was living it, so as to stay in the moment. </p><p> </p><p>Kim is now back in Detroit and feeling lucky to have found work as a consultant for several nonprofits. She describes herself on her LinkedIn profile (convincingly) as having a heart for the under-served, a head for business and the spirit of an entrepreneur. In today’s conversation, they dig into how she engineered the logistics of her gap year and how it unfolded organically.  Despite - or perhaps because of - the disparate nature of her experiences in so many different places, the trip made her life feel “in sync,” as if the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle were falling into place. </p><p> </p><p>As to how Debbie found Kim, Kim sent her an email out of the blue halfway through her year saying she had just stumbled onto this podcast. She was in Budapest at the time searching for her next thing. They stayed in touch and Debbie followed up in early 2020 to ask if she would come on the podcast to talk about her experience.</p><p> </p><p>At first Kim declined. She wrote in an email:</p><p> </p><p>"I haven't yet had the ideal opportunity to wrap my head around:  1) What was my purpose? 2) How did that compare to the reality? 3) I knew going into it that there would be a ripple effect but the ripples were bigger and more far reaching than I would have been able to imagine proactively 4) What unexpected humanitarian efforts arose and how can we recognize those in everyday life? 5) How have I changed (or, perhaps, what about my passions were confirmed by this experience)? 6) What's next?" </p><p> </p><p>Of course, Kim's email touched on all the key questions, revealing that she had indeed thought a lot about her gap year. </p><p> </p><p>They recorded this conversation several months ago, before the pandemic and social distancing. So at the end Debbie checks in with Kim again to find out how she’s doing now. <i>Living without regret</i> (her reason for taking her gap year) has an even bigger resonance today as she looks back at an extraordinary year of travel and service.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p> </p><p>Kim's list of her favorite volunteer humanitarian efforts:</p><p> </p><ul><li><strong>Burgers by the Dozen</strong>: Self-directed distribution of warm hamburgers to the homeless in Budapest, Hungary; Sidney, Australia; Toronto, Canada</li><li><a href="https://www.earthshipglobal.com/puerto-rico">Earthship Hurricane Relief Effort</a> (Puerto Rico)</li><li><a href="https://www.sistersofmercy.org/about-us/news-and-events/a-mission-of-mercy-and-hope-in-haiti/">Sisters of Mercy Orphanage and Malnutrition Clinic</a> (Port Au Prince, Haiti)</li><li><a href="https://www.intrepidtravel.com/us/about/intrepid-foundation">The Intrepid Foundation</a> (Greece, Albania, Kosovo, Macedonia)</li><li><a href="http://www.lingapcenter.org/">The Lingap Center</a> (Cebu Island, Philippines)</li><li><a href="http://www.servethecity.pl/en/who-we-are/">Serve the City Polska</a> (Krakow, Poland)</li><li><a href="https://www.newhopecare.org.au/the-kings-table">The King’s Table Soup Kitchen</a> (Brisbane, Australia)</li><li><a href="https://wandertours.com/">WanderWorld Foundation</a> (Papua New Guinea)</li><li><a href="http://www.willinghearts.org.sg/">Willing Hearts Soup Kitchen</a> (Singapore)</li><li><a href="http://www.kechara.com/?cat=634">Kechara Soup Kitchen</a> (Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia)</li><li><a href="https://www.handsonlondon.org.uk/">Food Bank: Hands On London</a></li><li><a href="https://www.allhandsandhearts.org/programs/texas-hurricane-relief/">All Hands and Hearts Hurricane Relief Effort</a> (Houston, Texas)</li><li><a href="https://bensbells.org/">Ben’s Bells</a> (Teaching the intentional practice of kindness, Tucson, Arizona)</li><li><a href="http://www.baldwincenter.org/services/">Baldwin Center</a> (Pontiac, Michigan)</li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>List of countries she visited</strong>:  </p><ul><li>Puerto Rico</li><li>Haiti</li><li>Japan</li><li>China</li><li>Greece</li><li>Bulgaria</li><li>Albania</li><li>Kosovo</li><li>Macedonia</li><li>Spain</li><li>Netherlands</li><li>Germany</li><li>France</li><li>Switzerland</li><li>Poland</li><li>Slovakia</li><li>Hungary</li><li>United Arab Emirates</li><li>Australia</li><li>Papua New Guinea</li><li>Singapore</li><li>Malaysia</li><li>England</li><li>Canada</li><li>USA</li></ul><p> </p><p>Kim notes: "I do realize that Puerto Rico is part of the USA but I count it separately because it was a different world!"</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it means so much!</li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://www.jrkrikorian.com/services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de/">Manuel Senfft</a></li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Debbie and Sam's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul><p> </p><p> </p>
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Otherwise you will always regret not having done it."</p><p> </p><p>They talk about how she chose one humanitarian project after another using Google and word-of-mouth. As Kim explains it, "I researched volunteer opportunities in three ways:  1. Google searches and reading reviews; 2.  speaking with people in-country when I was fortunate enough to have a connection and/or to be introduced via e-mail; and 3. meeting people along the way who were volunteering for a particular agency. I asked questions about how volunteers were treated, whether the group was true to its cause, whether it was run in a financially responsible way, etc."</p><p> </p><p>They also talk about writing and why Kim decided <i>not</i> to write about her year while she was living it, so as to stay in the moment. </p><p> </p><p>Kim is now back in Detroit and feeling lucky to have found work as a consultant for several nonprofits. She describes herself on her LinkedIn profile (convincingly) as having a heart for the under-served, a head for business and the spirit of an entrepreneur. In today’s conversation, they dig into how she engineered the logistics of her gap year and how it unfolded organically.  Despite - or perhaps because of - the disparate nature of her experiences in so many different places, the trip made her life feel “in sync,” as if the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle were falling into place. </p><p> </p><p>As to how Debbie found Kim, Kim sent her an email out of the blue halfway through her year saying she had just stumbled onto this podcast. She was in Budapest at the time searching for her next thing. They stayed in touch and Debbie followed up in early 2020 to ask if she would come on the podcast to talk about her experience.</p><p> </p><p>At first Kim declined. She wrote in an email:</p><p> </p><p>"I haven't yet had the ideal opportunity to wrap my head around:  1) What was my purpose? 2) How did that compare to the reality? 3) I knew going into it that there would be a ripple effect but the ripples were bigger and more far reaching than I would have been able to imagine proactively 4) What unexpected humanitarian efforts arose and how can we recognize those in everyday life? 5) How have I changed (or, perhaps, what about my passions were confirmed by this experience)? 6) What's next?" </p><p> </p><p>Of course, Kim's email touched on all the key questions, revealing that she had indeed thought a lot about her gap year. </p><p> </p><p>They recorded this conversation several months ago, before the pandemic and social distancing. So at the end Debbie checks in with Kim again to find out how she’s doing now. <i>Living without regret</i> (her reason for taking her gap year) has an even bigger resonance today as she looks back at an extraordinary year of travel and service.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in the episode</strong></p><p> </p><p>Kim's list of her favorite volunteer humanitarian efforts:</p><p> </p><ul><li><strong>Burgers by the Dozen</strong>: Self-directed distribution of warm hamburgers to the homeless in Budapest, Hungary; Sidney, Australia; Toronto, Canada</li><li><a href="https://www.earthshipglobal.com/puerto-rico">Earthship Hurricane Relief Effort</a> (Puerto Rico)</li><li><a href="https://www.sistersofmercy.org/about-us/news-and-events/a-mission-of-mercy-and-hope-in-haiti/">Sisters of Mercy Orphanage and Malnutrition Clinic</a> (Port Au Prince, Haiti)</li><li><a href="https://www.intrepidtravel.com/us/about/intrepid-foundation">The Intrepid Foundation</a> (Greece, Albania, Kosovo, Macedonia)</li><li><a href="http://www.lingapcenter.org/">The Lingap Center</a> (Cebu Island, Philippines)</li><li><a href="http://www.servethecity.pl/en/who-we-are/">Serve the City Polska</a> (Krakow, Poland)</li><li><a href="https://www.newhopecare.org.au/the-kings-table">The King’s Table Soup Kitchen</a> (Brisbane, Australia)</li><li><a href="https://wandertours.com/">WanderWorld Foundation</a> (Papua New Guinea)</li><li><a href="http://www.willinghearts.org.sg/">Willing Hearts Soup Kitchen</a> (Singapore)</li><li><a href="http://www.kechara.com/?cat=634">Kechara Soup Kitchen</a> (Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia)</li><li><a href="https://www.handsonlondon.org.uk/">Food Bank: Hands On London</a></li><li><a href="https://www.allhandsandhearts.org/programs/texas-hurricane-relief/">All Hands and Hearts Hurricane Relief Effort</a> (Houston, Texas)</li><li><a href="https://bensbells.org/">Ben’s Bells</a> (Teaching the intentional practice of kindness, Tucson, Arizona)</li><li><a href="http://www.baldwincenter.org/services/">Baldwin Center</a> (Pontiac, Michigan)</li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>List of countries she visited</strong>:  </p><ul><li>Puerto Rico</li><li>Haiti</li><li>Japan</li><li>China</li><li>Greece</li><li>Bulgaria</li><li>Albania</li><li>Kosovo</li><li>Macedonia</li><li>Spain</li><li>Netherlands</li><li>Germany</li><li>France</li><li>Switzerland</li><li>Poland</li><li>Slovakia</li><li>Hungary</li><li>United Arab Emirates</li><li>Australia</li><li>Papua New Guinea</li><li>Singapore</li><li>Malaysia</li><li>England</li><li>Canada</li><li>USA</li></ul><p> </p><p>Kim notes: "I do realize that Puerto Rico is part of the USA but I count it separately because it was a different world!"</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it means so much!</li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://www.jrkrikorian.com/services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de/">Manuel Senfft</a></li></ul><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Debbie and Sam's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul><p> </p><p> </p>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>This week on the show, Debbie brings back Julie-Roxane Krikorian and Alasdair Plambeck. Last time they were on, this young couple was living in a tiny caravan in southwest France. A few months ago, they decided to ditch that life and move to Guatemala. J-R, as Debbie calls her, is the producer for this podcast. Both she and her husband are entrepreneurs doing location-independent work as podcasters, life coaches, and retreat leaders. Their podcast is named, aptly, <a href="https://thefaroutpodcast.simplecast.com/">Far Out: Adventures in Unconventional Living.</a></p><p>The couple now live in a rental house perched above <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Atitl%C3%A1n">Lake Atitlan</a>, said to be one of the most beautiful lakes in the world. They would seem to be Living The Dream, if that means running away to a warm beautiful place, away from city traffic and desk jobs, where life is simpler and quieter and more problem-free. It's certainly one of Debbie's dreams. So she felt compelled to bring them back on the show to ask, "Are you <i>really</i> living the dream?"</p><p>Together the three of them discuss how J-R and Alasdair chose Guatemala, how they modeled a financial scenario that would work for them (they live frugally), and what their daily lives are like. Debbie and Alasdair joke about Debbie's misattributing "Wherever You Go, There You Are" to Winnie the Pooh. It was said by meditation and mindfulness teacher <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Wherever-You-There-Are-Mindfulness-ebook/dp/B0037B6QSY">Jon Kabat-Zinn </a>- the point being that your problems tend to follow you wherever you go.</p><p>She picks their brains about the difference between reinventing yourself at 30 or at 60. Which is more difficult? Which is braver? J-R ultimately admits that they are "creating a life forward" and dreaming up their lives as they go. "Winging it," she admits.</p><p>This show was recorded before the Coronavirus had spread to Guatemala so the pandemic is only mentioned in passing.</p><p> </p><p><strong>What they talk about:</strong></p><ul><li>How J-R and Alasdair somewhat randomly made the decision to move from France to Guatemala</li><li>An Airbnb tip they used to find Lake Atitlan</li><li>How they prepared financially (they live on about US $1,000 a month)</li><li>How reinvention is different in your early thirties compared with later in life</li><li>Creating a life looking forward instead of looking backwards</li><li>The unpredictability and uncertainty of being digital nomads</li><li>J-R and Alasdair’s favorite moments of the day on the lake</li><li>Tips for living your dream: remove things, go minimal, and figure out what your values are</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Useful links</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-3-why-money-is-not-the-biggest-obstacle-to-a-gap-year/">Why Money Is Not the Biggest Obstacle to a Gap Year</a> (their previous episode on Season 1)</li><li>Three episodes of the <strong>Far Out podcast</strong> that J-R recommends:<ul><li><a href="https://thefaroutpodcast.simplecast.com/episodes/guatemala">Moving to Guatemala: Travel 2.0</a></li><li><a href="https://thefaroutpodcast.simplecast.com/episodes/39">Living in Californian Suburbia vs. Living in Rural France</a></li><li><a href="https://thefaroutpodcast.simplecast.com/episodes/self-directed-life">The Uncertainty of a Self-Directed Life</a></li></ul></li><li><a href="https://alasdairplambeck.com/">Alasdair's website</a></li><li><a href="https://www.jrkrikorian.com/">J-R's website</a></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/thefaroutcouple/">The Far Out Couple on Instagram</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it means so much!</li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://www.jrkrikorian.com/services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de/">Manuel Senfft</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Debbie and Sam's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul>
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      <author>wordbiz@gmail.com (Debbie Weil)</author>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This week on the show, Debbie brings back Julie-Roxane Krikorian and Alasdair Plambeck. Last time they were on, this young couple was living in a tiny caravan in southwest France. A few months ago, they decided to ditch that life and move to Guatemala. J-R, as Debbie calls her, is the producer for this podcast. Both she and her husband are entrepreneurs doing location-independent work as podcasters, life coaches, and retreat leaders. Their podcast is named, aptly, <a href="https://thefaroutpodcast.simplecast.com/">Far Out: Adventures in Unconventional Living.</a></p><p>The couple now live in a rental house perched above <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Atitl%C3%A1n">Lake Atitlan</a>, said to be one of the most beautiful lakes in the world. They would seem to be Living The Dream, if that means running away to a warm beautiful place, away from city traffic and desk jobs, where life is simpler and quieter and more problem-free. It's certainly one of Debbie's dreams. So she felt compelled to bring them back on the show to ask, "Are you <i>really</i> living the dream?"</p><p>Together the three of them discuss how J-R and Alasdair chose Guatemala, how they modeled a financial scenario that would work for them (they live frugally), and what their daily lives are like. Debbie and Alasdair joke about Debbie's misattributing "Wherever You Go, There You Are" to Winnie the Pooh. It was said by meditation and mindfulness teacher <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Wherever-You-There-Are-Mindfulness-ebook/dp/B0037B6QSY">Jon Kabat-Zinn </a>- the point being that your problems tend to follow you wherever you go.</p><p>She picks their brains about the difference between reinventing yourself at 30 or at 60. Which is more difficult? Which is braver? J-R ultimately admits that they are "creating a life forward" and dreaming up their lives as they go. "Winging it," she admits.</p><p>This show was recorded before the Coronavirus had spread to Guatemala so the pandemic is only mentioned in passing.</p><p> </p><p><strong>What they talk about:</strong></p><ul><li>How J-R and Alasdair somewhat randomly made the decision to move from France to Guatemala</li><li>An Airbnb tip they used to find Lake Atitlan</li><li>How they prepared financially (they live on about US $1,000 a month)</li><li>How reinvention is different in your early thirties compared with later in life</li><li>Creating a life looking forward instead of looking backwards</li><li>The unpredictability and uncertainty of being digital nomads</li><li>J-R and Alasdair’s favorite moments of the day on the lake</li><li>Tips for living your dream: remove things, go minimal, and figure out what your values are</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Useful links</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-3-why-money-is-not-the-biggest-obstacle-to-a-gap-year/">Why Money Is Not the Biggest Obstacle to a Gap Year</a> (their previous episode on Season 1)</li><li>Three episodes of the <strong>Far Out podcast</strong> that J-R recommends:<ul><li><a href="https://thefaroutpodcast.simplecast.com/episodes/guatemala">Moving to Guatemala: Travel 2.0</a></li><li><a href="https://thefaroutpodcast.simplecast.com/episodes/39">Living in Californian Suburbia vs. Living in Rural France</a></li><li><a href="https://thefaroutpodcast.simplecast.com/episodes/self-directed-life">The Uncertainty of a Self-Directed Life</a></li></ul></li><li><a href="https://alasdairplambeck.com/">Alasdair's website</a></li><li><a href="https://www.jrkrikorian.com/">J-R's website</a></li><li><a href="https://www.instagram.com/thefaroutcouple/">The Far Out Couple on Instagram</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it means so much!</li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://www.jrkrikorian.com/services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de/">Manuel Senfft</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Debbie and Sam's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode host Debbie Weil has a wide-ranging conversation with online legend <a href="https://sivers.org">Derek Sivers</a>. Debbie has been following Derek’s work for close to a decade and was thrilled when he agreed to come on the show.  They focus on one of his current obsessions - slow thinking and slow living - but they also talk about much more. </p><p>According to his <a href="https://sivers.org/about">About</a> page, Derek has been a musician, a producer, a circus performer, an entrepreneur, a TED speaker and a book publisher.  You might know him for, as he puts it, “accidentally” creating <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD_Baby">CD Baby,</a> an online CD store that grew to represent 150,000 independent musicians. (It started as a personal project to sell his own music.) He sold CD Baby in 2008 for $22 million, with the money going into a charitable trust he set up for music education. After that, he moved to New York, to Singapore and then to New Zealand where he became a mostly-full-time Dad and took a sabbatical for about four years. A year ago he moved to England.</p><p>Since 2008 Derek has, in his words, <strong>optimized his life for learning and creating</strong>. He focuses on writing (he has written a number of books, including <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Anything-You-Want-Lessons-Entrepreneur-dp-1591848261/dp/1591848261/">Anything You Want</a>) and on programming, and, most important, he tackles <i>one thing at a time</i>. <a href="https://tim.blog/2015/12/14/derek-sivers-on-developing-confidence-finding-happiness-and-saying-no-to-millions/">Tim Ferriss calls him a philosopher-king programmer and a master teacher</a>. He has developed a philosophy of life - and a way of living - that is based on minimalism. He is very deliberate with how he uses his time, typing for hours a day on a seven-year-old clunky laptop. He spends a lot of time alone. But he also spends long stretches with his now 8-year-old son and connects via email and phone with friends and acquaintances around the globe. </p><p>He invites anyone listening to this episode to please get in touch. He loves hearing from people. Go to <a href="https://sivers.org/contact">sivers.org/contact</a> to send him a message introducing yourself.</p><p>His website, <a href="https://sivers.org">sivers.org</a> is minimalist (there's not one extra line of code) but it’s a treasure trove of content: hundreds if not thousands of blog posts, his reviews of over 250 books, FAQs (he gets lots of questions about his lifestyle), his podcast (the audio version of his blog), and more.</p><p>In the past few weeks, as the Coronavirus pandemic has swept the world, we’ve all been forced to change, to adapt, and to reinvent. In this episode Derek shares with us how to cultivate slow thinking in a fast-paced and uncertain world, what slow thinking means and why it's important, and how he handles the daily and hourly onslaught of news. </p><p>He and Debbie talk about the task he set himself of answering 6,800 emails. (A project he has completed since their conversation.) He got those in response to a very short email he sent out recently to the 50,000 people on his email list. The subject line was so simple but it was relevant. It said, “Debbie - are you okay?” In the body of the message he wrote: “I care and I’m really asking.” (Debbie wrote back and invited him to come on the show.) </p><p>Derek is a breath of fresh air right now. He’s no bullshit. He’s wise. He’s eloquent. Debbie loves his very clear diction and wishes they had continued their conversation for another half hour. As soon as she stopped the recording, Derek said, "Oh! I thought we were going to talk for another 30 minutes." Well, that was Debbie's mistake. Check out all the links below to learn more.</p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful resources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://sivers.org">sivers.org</a></li><li><a href="https://sivers.org/about">sivers.org/about</a></li><li><a href="https://sivers.org/contact">sivers.com/contact</a></li><li><a href="https://www.ted.com/speakers/derek_sivers">Derek's TED talks</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1591848261/">Anything You Want: 40 Lessons for a New Kind of Entrepreneur</a> by Derek Sivers (Portfolio, 2015)</li><li><a href="https://tim.blog/2015/12/14/derek-sivers-on-developing-confidence-finding-happiness-and-saying-no-to-millions/">Derek interviewed by Tim Ferriss</a> (2015)</li><li><a href="https://www.tonyrobbins.com/coaching/">Tony Robbins coaching</a></li></ul><p><strong>A selection of blog posts that Derek recommends:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://sivers.org/soso">sivers.org/soso </a>(excerpt from his book <strong>Hell Yeah or No)</strong></li><li><a href="https://sivers.org/eml">sivers.org/eml</a></li><li><a href="https://sivers.org/polut">sivers.com/polut</a></li><li><a href="https://sivers.org/gofear">sivers.com/gofear</a></li><li><a href="https://sivers.org/daydream">sivers.com/daydream</a></li><li><a href="https://sivers.org/autom">sivers.org/autom</a></li><li><a href="https://sivers.org/metac">sivers.org/metac</a></li><li><a href="https://sivers.org/hf">sivers.org/hf</a></li><li><a href="https://sivers.org/dq">sivers.org/dq</a></li><li><a href="https://sivers.org/dw">sivers.org/dw</a></li></ul><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it means so much!</li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://www.jrkrikorian.com/services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de/">Manuel Senfft</a></li></ul><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Debbie and Sam's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 3 Apr 2020 06:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>wordbiz@gmail.com (Debbie Weil)</author>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode host Debbie Weil has a wide-ranging conversation with online legend <a href="https://sivers.org">Derek Sivers</a>. Debbie has been following Derek’s work for close to a decade and was thrilled when he agreed to come on the show.  They focus on one of his current obsessions - slow thinking and slow living - but they also talk about much more. </p><p>According to his <a href="https://sivers.org/about">About</a> page, Derek has been a musician, a producer, a circus performer, an entrepreneur, a TED speaker and a book publisher.  You might know him for, as he puts it, “accidentally” creating <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD_Baby">CD Baby,</a> an online CD store that grew to represent 150,000 independent musicians. (It started as a personal project to sell his own music.) He sold CD Baby in 2008 for $22 million, with the money going into a charitable trust he set up for music education. After that, he moved to New York, to Singapore and then to New Zealand where he became a mostly-full-time Dad and took a sabbatical for about four years. A year ago he moved to England.</p><p>Since 2008 Derek has, in his words, <strong>optimized his life for learning and creating</strong>. He focuses on writing (he has written a number of books, including <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Anything-You-Want-Lessons-Entrepreneur-dp-1591848261/dp/1591848261/">Anything You Want</a>) and on programming, and, most important, he tackles <i>one thing at a time</i>. <a href="https://tim.blog/2015/12/14/derek-sivers-on-developing-confidence-finding-happiness-and-saying-no-to-millions/">Tim Ferriss calls him a philosopher-king programmer and a master teacher</a>. He has developed a philosophy of life - and a way of living - that is based on minimalism. He is very deliberate with how he uses his time, typing for hours a day on a seven-year-old clunky laptop. He spends a lot of time alone. But he also spends long stretches with his now 8-year-old son and connects via email and phone with friends and acquaintances around the globe. </p><p>He invites anyone listening to this episode to please get in touch. He loves hearing from people. Go to <a href="https://sivers.org/contact">sivers.org/contact</a> to send him a message introducing yourself.</p><p>His website, <a href="https://sivers.org">sivers.org</a> is minimalist (there's not one extra line of code) but it’s a treasure trove of content: hundreds if not thousands of blog posts, his reviews of over 250 books, FAQs (he gets lots of questions about his lifestyle), his podcast (the audio version of his blog), and more.</p><p>In the past few weeks, as the Coronavirus pandemic has swept the world, we’ve all been forced to change, to adapt, and to reinvent. In this episode Derek shares with us how to cultivate slow thinking in a fast-paced and uncertain world, what slow thinking means and why it's important, and how he handles the daily and hourly onslaught of news. </p><p>He and Debbie talk about the task he set himself of answering 6,800 emails. (A project he has completed since their conversation.) He got those in response to a very short email he sent out recently to the 50,000 people on his email list. The subject line was so simple but it was relevant. It said, “Debbie - are you okay?” In the body of the message he wrote: “I care and I’m really asking.” (Debbie wrote back and invited him to come on the show.) </p><p>Derek is a breath of fresh air right now. He’s no bullshit. He’s wise. He’s eloquent. Debbie loves his very clear diction and wishes they had continued their conversation for another half hour. As soon as she stopped the recording, Derek said, "Oh! I thought we were going to talk for another 30 minutes." Well, that was Debbie's mistake. Check out all the links below to learn more.</p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful resources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://sivers.org">sivers.org</a></li><li><a href="https://sivers.org/about">sivers.org/about</a></li><li><a href="https://sivers.org/contact">sivers.com/contact</a></li><li><a href="https://www.ted.com/speakers/derek_sivers">Derek's TED talks</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1591848261/">Anything You Want: 40 Lessons for a New Kind of Entrepreneur</a> by Derek Sivers (Portfolio, 2015)</li><li><a href="https://tim.blog/2015/12/14/derek-sivers-on-developing-confidence-finding-happiness-and-saying-no-to-millions/">Derek interviewed by Tim Ferriss</a> (2015)</li><li><a href="https://www.tonyrobbins.com/coaching/">Tony Robbins coaching</a></li></ul><p><strong>A selection of blog posts that Derek recommends:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://sivers.org/soso">sivers.org/soso </a>(excerpt from his book <strong>Hell Yeah or No)</strong></li><li><a href="https://sivers.org/eml">sivers.org/eml</a></li><li><a href="https://sivers.org/polut">sivers.com/polut</a></li><li><a href="https://sivers.org/gofear">sivers.com/gofear</a></li><li><a href="https://sivers.org/daydream">sivers.com/daydream</a></li><li><a href="https://sivers.org/autom">sivers.org/autom</a></li><li><a href="https://sivers.org/metac">sivers.org/metac</a></li><li><a href="https://sivers.org/hf">sivers.org/hf</a></li><li><a href="https://sivers.org/dq">sivers.org/dq</a></li><li><a href="https://sivers.org/dw">sivers.org/dw</a></li></ul><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it means so much!</li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://www.jrkrikorian.com/services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de/">Manuel Senfft</a></li></ul><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Debbie and Sam's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Debbie Weil interrupts regular programming to address the Coronavirus pandemic and how this evolving situation is impacting older Americans. She is joined by her husband Sam Harrington, a retired physician, and a recurring guest on the show. They talk about how they are navigating uncertainty and unknowns differently (Sam as a physician, Debbie as a non-physician but with a new hunger for charts and numbers); magical thinking about what lies ahead; and what it really means to be older (they are both 68) and to face the possibility of illness and death.</p><p>This episode was recorded on March 15, 2020 so the number of positive Coronavirus cases Debbie cites is already sadly out of date. The pandemic in the U.S. continues to worsen: one of their greatest concerns, shared by many others, is that the U.S. hospital system will not have enough ICU beds for those who need them. Older Americans are worrying that medical triage of the critically ill will begin, with the elderly being passed over in favor of younger and potentially stronger patients.</p><p>The conversation is not about specific guidelines or statistics related to COVID-19, available elsewhere. See Resources below. It is about the psychological aspect of the pandemic. Debbie and Sam talk about how aging and ageism are interwoven; the way social distancing might impact different age groups; and the lingering question of how best to navigate these uncertain and confusing times.</p><p> </p><p><strong>What they talk about:</strong></p><ul><li>The "herd" of elephants in the room: anxiety over who will die, the importance of flattening the curve and the reality of social distancing over a long period of time</li><li>How members of Debbie and Sam’s immediate family have been responding differently to the pandemic (the physicians vs. the non-physicians)</li><li>How doctors deny their own mortality when they go to work in a public health crisis</li><li>Being old - or at least older - during the Coronavirus pandemic and how that feels</li><li>Magical Thinking: nonsensical, perhaps, but a way to manage uncertainty and unknowns</li><li>What Debbie and Sam’s biggest fears are</li><li>Why the U.S. is not set up for "slow motion" uncertainty</li></ul><p> </p><p>At a time of crisis, it felt important to share a conversation between an older - yet young at heart and mind - couple. As Debbie says, there’s a lot of meaning in the words: <i>we are all in this together.</i> She sees a ray of hope in that phrase. Whatever we can do to comfort, to inform or even to entertain each other is useful. Podcasts are having <i>a moment</i> - to do just that. Which is why Debbie decided to go ahead with this episode even though it is not definitive, nor does it address everything.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful resources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1240373707224363014?s=20">An evolving chart of the Coronavirus trajectory</a>: number of positive cases and number of deaths. Prepared by data visualization journalist John Burn-Murdoch at the <a href="https://www.ft.com/john-burn-murdoch">Financial Times</a> and based on data pulled from Johns Hopkins, WHO and the CDC.</li><li><a href="https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca">Coronavirus: Why You Must Act Now</a> by Tomas Pueyo in Medium. (An article with over 40 million views as of March 19, 2020.)</li><li><a href="https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/index.html">CDC's Coronavirus and COVID-19</a> resource page</li><li><a href="https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019">WHO on Coronavirus / COVID-19</a></li><li><a href="https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/">Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center</a></li><li><a href="https://www.statnews.com/tag/coronavirus/">STATnews coverage of the Coronavirus</a></li><li><a href="https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/how-epidemiologists-understand-the-novel-coronavirus?source=EDT_NYR_EDIT_NEWSLETTER_0_imagenewsletter_Daily_ZZ&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_source=nl&utm_brand=tny&utm_mailing=TNY_Daily_031520&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bea16b33f92a4046972f0a6&cndid=22726018&esrc=&mbid=CRMNYR062419&utm_term=TNY_Daily">How Epidemiologists Understand the Novel Coronavirus</a> (The New Yorker, March 15, 2020)</li><li><a href="http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/newsroom/newsletters/e-newsletter-sign-up.html">Johns Hopkins COVID-19 newsletter </a> Subscribe free.</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it means so much!</li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://www.jrkrikorian.com/services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de/">Manuel Senfft</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Debbie and Sam's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2020 16:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debbie Weil interrupts regular programming to address the Coronavirus pandemic and how this evolving situation is impacting older Americans. She is joined by her husband Sam Harrington, a retired physician, and a recurring guest on the show. They talk about how they are navigating uncertainty and unknowns differently (Sam as a physician, Debbie as a non-physician but with a new hunger for charts and numbers); magical thinking about what lies ahead; and what it really means to be older (they are both 68) and to face the possibility of illness and death.</p><p>This episode was recorded on March 15, 2020 so the number of positive Coronavirus cases Debbie cites is already sadly out of date. The pandemic in the U.S. continues to worsen: one of their greatest concerns, shared by many others, is that the U.S. hospital system will not have enough ICU beds for those who need them. 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As Debbie says, there’s a lot of meaning in the words: <i>we are all in this together.</i> She sees a ray of hope in that phrase. Whatever we can do to comfort, to inform or even to entertain each other is useful. Podcasts are having <i>a moment</i> - to do just that. Which is why Debbie decided to go ahead with this episode even though it is not definitive, nor does it address everything.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode or useful resources:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1240373707224363014?s=20">An evolving chart of the Coronavirus trajectory</a>: number of positive cases and number of deaths. Prepared by data visualization journalist John Burn-Murdoch at the <a href="https://www.ft.com/john-burn-murdoch">Financial Times</a> and based on data pulled from Johns Hopkins, WHO and the CDC.</li><li><a href="https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca">Coronavirus: Why You Must Act Now</a> by Tomas Pueyo in Medium. 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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Debbie speaks with Sean Bailey, founding editor-in-chief of <a href="https://public.horsesmouth.com/">Horsesmouth</a>, a New York-based company that creates educational programs on retirement planning, Social Security, Medicare, college planning, cybersecurity, and more for industry professionals.</p><p>The focus of their conversation is financial planning around a gap year. Sean shares some basic practicalities: you have to create a budget, you have to assess your own situation (what money have you saved, can you dip into it now, etc.) and you have to consider the <i>real cost</i> of a gap year. That usually means stepping out of your current life for a period while still covering the <i>costs</i> of that life. </p><p>Use a spreadsheet, use a whiteboard, use the back of a napkin, but force yourself to do the calculations.</p><p>He talks about a concept he calls “<i>retire</i> at 60, or earlier... <i>work</i> til 70!” By that he means start thinking creatively <i>now</i> about your financial situation. Take advantage of opportunities to explore different kinds of work, different ways of making money and different ways to build flexibility into your life. </p><p>In other words, start <i>living your dream</i> even before you retire or think about taking an official gap year.</p><p>Sean also talks about his experience of taking a gap two years, almost thirty years ago, to join the Peace Corps. Sean and Debbie share similar values around the idea that we should pursue our dreams now, not later. But with a reasonable amount of planning. </p><p> </p><p><strong>What they talk about:</strong></p><ul><li>MUG: Mortgage, Utilities, Groceries and the importance of considering these things, plus healthcare, when planning a gap year.</li><li>The two different types of money: qualified and unqualified.</li><li>The real cost of a gap year: leaving your default life temporarily while still maintaining it while you’re gone.</li><li>The uncertainty of a gap year even when the finances are all planned out.</li><li>His mantra: "retire at 60, work til you're 70." Look for opportunities to take mini "gap" breaks. Going to Arizona for work? Turn it into a seven-day trip to visit the Grand Canyon and hike in Sedona.</li><li><i>Skilling up</i>: learn new skills in areas you love to supplement your retirement and/or to keep active in a field you’re passionate about.</li><li>The advisability of consulting a financial professional before claiming your social security and/or pulling the trigger on your retirement/gap year.</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sean-bailey-995764/">Sean Bailey bio</a></li><li><a href="https://public.horsesmouth.com/">Horsesmouth</a></li><li><a href="https://www.horsesmouth.com/gfx/pdf/16_Lifestyle_Questions.pdf">16 Lifestyle Questions to Ask If You Are Retiring</a> (PDF)</li><li><a href="https://www.horsesmouth.com/gfx/pdf/5_Questions_Before_Retire.pdf">5 Questions to Ask 5 Years Before You Retire</a> (PDF)</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIRE_movement">FIRE movement</a> (Financial Independence, Retire Early)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it means so much!</li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://www.jrkrikorian.com/services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de/">Manuel Senfft</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Debbie and Sam's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Thanks to our Media Partners!</strong></p><ul><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a>, an ideas and innovation hub tapping the talent of those 50+ as a force for good.</li><li><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a> Navigating mid-life transitions: Grow Whole, Not Old.</li><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a> Rewriting +50 life through new work, a new purpose, or a new social contribution.</li></ul>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 6 Mar 2020 07:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>wordbiz@gmail.com (Debbie Weil)</author>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debbie speaks with Sean Bailey, founding editor-in-chief of <a href="https://public.horsesmouth.com/">Horsesmouth</a>, a New York-based company that creates educational programs on retirement planning, Social Security, Medicare, college planning, cybersecurity, and more for industry professionals.</p><p>The focus of their conversation is financial planning around a gap year. Sean shares some basic practicalities: you have to create a budget, you have to assess your own situation (what money have you saved, can you dip into it now, etc.) and you have to consider the <i>real cost</i> of a gap year. That usually means stepping out of your current life for a period while still covering the <i>costs</i> of that life. </p><p>Use a spreadsheet, use a whiteboard, use the back of a napkin, but force yourself to do the calculations.</p><p>He talks about a concept he calls “<i>retire</i> at 60, or earlier... <i>work</i> til 70!” By that he means start thinking creatively <i>now</i> about your financial situation. Take advantage of opportunities to explore different kinds of work, different ways of making money and different ways to build flexibility into your life. </p><p>In other words, start <i>living your dream</i> even before you retire or think about taking an official gap year.</p><p>Sean also talks about his experience of taking a gap two years, almost thirty years ago, to join the Peace Corps. Sean and Debbie share similar values around the idea that we should pursue our dreams now, not later. But with a reasonable amount of planning. </p><p> </p><p><strong>What they talk about:</strong></p><ul><li>MUG: Mortgage, Utilities, Groceries and the importance of considering these things, plus healthcare, when planning a gap year.</li><li>The two different types of money: qualified and unqualified.</li><li>The real cost of a gap year: leaving your default life temporarily while still maintaining it while you’re gone.</li><li>The uncertainty of a gap year even when the finances are all planned out.</li><li>His mantra: "retire at 60, work til you're 70." Look for opportunities to take mini "gap" breaks. Going to Arizona for work? Turn it into a seven-day trip to visit the Grand Canyon and hike in Sedona.</li><li><i>Skilling up</i>: learn new skills in areas you love to supplement your retirement and/or to keep active in a field you’re passionate about.</li><li>The advisability of consulting a financial professional before claiming your social security and/or pulling the trigger on your retirement/gap year.</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sean-bailey-995764/">Sean Bailey bio</a></li><li><a href="https://public.horsesmouth.com/">Horsesmouth</a></li><li><a href="https://www.horsesmouth.com/gfx/pdf/16_Lifestyle_Questions.pdf">16 Lifestyle Questions to Ask If You Are Retiring</a> (PDF)</li><li><a href="https://www.horsesmouth.com/gfx/pdf/5_Questions_Before_Retire.pdf">5 Questions to Ask 5 Years Before You Retire</a> (PDF)</li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIRE_movement">FIRE movement</a> (Financial Independence, Retire Early)</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it means so much!</li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://www.jrkrikorian.com/services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de/">Manuel Senfft</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Debbie and Sam's blog: <a href="https://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Thanks to our Media Partners!</strong></p><ul><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a>, an ideas and innovation hub tapping the talent of those 50+ as a force for good.</li><li><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a> Navigating mid-life transitions: Grow Whole, Not Old.</li><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a> Rewriting +50 life through new work, a new purpose, or a new social contribution.</li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>We kick off 2020 with a conversation with Silicon Valley legend and all-around wise guy, <a href="https://guykawasaki.com/">Guy Kawasaki</a>. Not surprisingly, he is funny, and opinionated in addition to being wise. Guy worked with Steve Jobs at Apple as the original evangelist for the Macintosh computer. Then he went on to a career as an author, speaker and investor. He has written 15 books, a number of them New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestsellers (the most recent is a quasi memoir, <a href="https://guykawasaki.com/books/wise-guy/">Wise Guy</a>). He gives over 50 keynotes a year on the topics of innovation, evangelism and entrepreneurship for brand name companies like Nike, Google and Microsoft. Most recently, he became chief evangelist for Canva, an online design tool.</p><p>So how does Debbie know Guy? She met him 20 years ago when she heard him speak at a small business conference. She was so taken with his presentation that she went up afterwards to say thank you and introduce herself. He responded by scribbling a note on a scrap of paper and handing it to her: "Think digital, act analog - Guy Kawasaki. May 25, 1999." Bingo. Even back then, in the early days of the Web, that hit home. She treasures the note and has thought of Guy as one of her unofficial mentors since then. (Check the episode web page to see the framed note.)</p><p>Guy is a social media celebrity with 1.4 million Twitter followers. But he's also a genuinely nice guy, respectful and responsive. When Debbie got an email from him recently announcing his new podcast, <a href="https://guykawasaki.com/remarkable-people/">Remarkable People</a>, she replied to congratulate him and asked if he’d come on the Gap Year podcast. He responded, “I’d be happy to!”</p><p>She was a little nervous about interviewing him so she prepared a list of specific questions. Generally she likes to let the conversation wander a bit more, but this worked out pretty well.</p><p>She and Guy talk about:</p><ul><li>his Rule of Ten</li><li>lessons learned from working with Steve Jobs</li><li>the practice of gratitude</li><li>what changed when he turned 60 (he's now 65)</li><li>the importance of having a growth mindset and continuing to learn</li><li>why you should seek moments of joy (and not eternal happiness)</li><li>his thoughts on the writing process (an obsession Debbie shares with him)</li><li>why he mixes politics and social media</li><li>his positive outlook on life</li><li>how asking simple questions can yield big answers</li><li>his advice for those seeking to reinvent themselves (hint: don't spend all your time on social media and answering email)</li></ul><p>Be sure to listen to Remarkable People. Debbie's favorite of the episodes so far are his interviews with <a href="https://guykawasaki.com/jane-goodall-podcast/">Jane Goodall</a> and <a href="https://guykawasaki.com/margaret-atwood-mirth-and-writing-magic-with-canadas-favorite-author/">Margaret Atwood</a>. Both are legends but he manages to walk the line between admiring… and fawning. Debbie hopes she's done the same in this conversation with Guy.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://guykawasaki.com/remarkable-people/">Remarkable People</a>, Guy's new podcast</li><li><a href="https://guykawasaki.com/guy-kawasaki/">About Guy Kawasaki</a>: an amusing and frank bio</li><li>Guy's <a href="https://guykawasaki.com/books/">books</a>, including <a href="https://guykawasaki.com/books/the-art-of-the-start/">The Art of the Start 2.0</a> and <a href="https://guykawasaki.com/books/wise-guy/">Wise Guy</a></li><li>His favorite book on writing: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/You-Want-Write-Brenda-Ueland/dp/1614271356/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2GH37XTYID916&keywords=brenda+ueland&qid=1577926800&sprefix=brenda+ueland%2Caps%2C881&sr=8-1">Brenda Ueland - If you want to write</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs">Steve Jobs</a></li><li><a href="https:https://www.canva.com/">Canva</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it means so much!</li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://www.jrkrikorian.com/services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de/">Manuel Senfft</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Thanks to our Media Partners!</strong></p><ul><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a>, an ideas and innovation hub tapping the talent of those 50+ as a force for good.</li><li><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a> Navigating mid-life transitions: Grow Whole, Not Old.</li><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a> Rewriting +50 life through new work, a new purpose, or a new social contribution.</li></ul>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 10 Jan 2020 07:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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She was so taken with his presentation that she went up afterwards to say thank you and introduce herself. He responded by scribbling a note on a scrap of paper and handing it to her: "Think digital, act analog - Guy Kawasaki. May 25, 1999." Bingo. Even back then, in the early days of the Web, that hit home. She treasures the note and has thought of Guy as one of her unofficial mentors since then. (Check the episode web page to see the framed note.)</p><p>Guy is a social media celebrity with 1.4 million Twitter followers. But he's also a genuinely nice guy, respectful and responsive. When Debbie got an email from him recently announcing his new podcast, <a href="https://guykawasaki.com/remarkable-people/">Remarkable People</a>, she replied to congratulate him and asked if he’d come on the Gap Year podcast. He responded, “I’d be happy to!”</p><p>She was a little nervous about interviewing him so she prepared a list of specific questions. Generally she likes to let the conversation wander a bit more, but this worked out pretty well.</p><p>She and Guy talk about:</p><ul><li>his Rule of Ten</li><li>lessons learned from working with Steve Jobs</li><li>the practice of gratitude</li><li>what changed when he turned 60 (he's now 65)</li><li>the importance of having a growth mindset and continuing to learn</li><li>why you should seek moments of joy (and not eternal happiness)</li><li>his thoughts on the writing process (an obsession Debbie shares with him)</li><li>why he mixes politics and social media</li><li>his positive outlook on life</li><li>how asking simple questions can yield big answers</li><li>his advice for those seeking to reinvent themselves (hint: don't spend all your time on social media and answering email)</li></ul><p>Be sure to listen to Remarkable People. Debbie's favorite of the episodes so far are his interviews with <a href="https://guykawasaki.com/jane-goodall-podcast/">Jane Goodall</a> and <a href="https://guykawasaki.com/margaret-atwood-mirth-and-writing-magic-with-canadas-favorite-author/">Margaret Atwood</a>. Both are legends but he manages to walk the line between admiring… and fawning. Debbie hopes she's done the same in this conversation with Guy.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://guykawasaki.com/remarkable-people/">Remarkable People</a>, Guy's new podcast</li><li><a href="https://guykawasaki.com/guy-kawasaki/">About Guy Kawasaki</a>: an amusing and frank bio</li><li>Guy's <a href="https://guykawasaki.com/books/">books</a>, including <a href="https://guykawasaki.com/books/the-art-of-the-start/">The Art of the Start 2.0</a> and <a href="https://guykawasaki.com/books/wise-guy/">Wise Guy</a></li><li>His favorite book on writing: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/You-Want-Write-Brenda-Ueland/dp/1614271356/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2GH37XTYID916&keywords=brenda+ueland&qid=1577926800&sprefix=brenda+ueland%2Caps%2C881&sr=8-1">Brenda Ueland - If you want to write</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs">Steve Jobs</a></li><li><a href="https:https://www.canva.com/">Canva</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it means so much!</li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://www.jrkrikorian.com/services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de/">Manuel Senfft</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Thanks to our Media Partners!</strong></p><ul><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a>, an ideas and innovation hub tapping the talent of those 50+ as a force for good.</li><li><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a> Navigating mid-life transitions: Grow Whole, Not Old.</li><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a> Rewriting +50 life through new work, a new purpose, or a new social contribution.</li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Debbie talks with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/susandecuba/">Susan De Cuba</a>, an accomplished nonprofit executive who spent the last 13 years of her career as CEO of a hospice group in Florida.</p><p>When Debbie met Susan, she was at the end of her gap year. After 40+ years of non-stop work, she had decided to take a year off - but in a purposeful way. Susan is practical and she is strategic. And she had a goal - to figure out her next step.</p><p>Listen in as Debbie picks her brain about:</p><ul><li>The steps in her decision-making that led her to leave a high-profile career</li><li>How as a leader you see junctures, or forks in the road, where you can continue on the same path - or step off and do something different</li><li>How she divided her gap year into fiscal year quarters, like any successful executive making an annual plan, and what she chose to do</li><li>What it was like to jump into the unknown</li><li>And finally, how she ended up creating a new consulting career, by combining her existing skills and experience</li></ul><p>She felt a desire to serve others and she also knew she wanted freedom and flexibility. Most important, we talk about how she remained open to possibilities, especially around money and resources, and how that led her through a rejuvenating and, ultimately, successful gap year.</p><p>PHOTO: Susan dancing in Mexico at the beginning of her gap year sabbatical.</p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/susandecuba/">Susan De Cuba's bio</a></li><li><a href="https://barbarawaxman.com">Barbara Waxman</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/exploring-middlescence-with-barbara-waxman/">Debbie's podcast interview with Barbara</a></li><li><a href="https://www.modernelderacademy.com">Modern Elder Academy</a></li></ul><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it means so much!</li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://www.jrkrikorian.com/services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de/">Manuel Senfft</a></li></ul><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Read Debbie and Sam's blog: <a href="http://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul><p><strong>Thanks to our Media Partners!</strong></p><ul><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a>, an ideas and innovation hub tapping the talent of those 50+ as a force for good.</li><li><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a> Navigating mid-life transitions: Grow Whole, Not Old.</li><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a> Rewriting +50 life through new work, a new purpose, or a new social contribution.</li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Recently this podcast was invited to co-host a <a href="https://nextforme.com">Next For Me</a> event in NYC called “Myths & Misconceptions: The Truth About 50+ Consumers." (Full disclosure: NFM is one of our sponsors.) The other co-hosts were <a href="https://strianews.com">Stria News</a> and <a href="https://www.silvernest.com">Silvernest</a>. Stria News is a media platform for the longevity market that inspires cross-sector solutions for our aging society. Silvernest is an online service that pairs boomers, retirees and empty nesters with compatible housemates for long-term home sharing.</p><p>The event took place at <a href="https://www.trovesocial.com/" target="_blank">Trove Social</a>, a social club for people in their prime, in lower Manhattan. About 50 people attended, all of whom are active in one way or another with the midlife reinvention movement. That included members of the media, marketers, entrepreneurs and consumers.</p><p>The goal was to discuss, honestly and openly, the myths and misconceptions surrounding the age 50+ demographic and how this translates into a lost market opportunity. And to bust those myths. You’re probably familiar with a lot of them:</p><p> </p><ul><li><i>Older people are grumpy.</i></li><li><i>Older people hate technology and don’t use it.</i></li><li><i>Older people don’t spend money.</i></li><li><i>Older people don’t have sex... and they don’t want to</i>.</li><li><i>Older people have less to contribute.</i></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>The underlying question: what if more people recognized that those 50 and up are a vast, diverse and untapped source of potential dollar revenue as well as being overlooked contributors to society?</strong></p><p>Some of us might still be having sex while others don’t. Some of us love technology and the latest iPhone while others tolerate it or ignore it. The point is that the millions of members of this age 50-plus demographic are all different. And yet we all seem to be confronted with the same ageist attitudes and the same misconceptions about who we are as individuals.</p><p>In this episode Debbie chats with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jefftidwell">Jeff Tidwell</a>, co-founder of Next For Me. This is a follow-up to Debbie's conversation with Jeff in <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-8-jeff-tidwell-mid-life-entrepreneur-work-purpose/">EP8 of Season 1.</a> She also talks to <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/longevity-market-needs-place-come-together-susan-donley/">Susan Donley</a>, founder, publisher and CEO of Stria News, and to <a href="https://blog.silvernest.com/author/wendi-burkhardt">Wendi Burkhardt</a>, co-founder and CEO of Silvernest.</p><p><strong>PHOTO</strong>: Debbie, left, and Wendi Burkhardt of Silvernest.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in the episode</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/a-next-for-me-event-new-york-ny-october-7-2019/">Next For Me's Oct. 7, 2019 event in NYC</a></li><li><a href="https://strianews.com/an-unabashedly-honest-conversation-on-the-realities-of-aging/">"An Unabashedly Honest Conversation on the Realities of Aging"</a> (article in Stria News by Carolyn Jacobs on Oct. 21, 2019)<br /><br /> </li></ul><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it means so much!</li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify<br /><br /> </li></ul><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://www.jrkrikorian.com/services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de/">Manuel Senfft</a><br /><br /> </li></ul><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Read Debbie and Sam's blog: <a href="http://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a><br /><br /> </li></ul><p><strong>Thanks to our Media Partners!</strong></p><ul><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a>, an ideas and innovation hub tapping the talent of those 50+ as a force for good.</li><li><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a> Navigating mid-life transitions: Grow Whole, Not Old.</li><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a> Rewriting +50 life through new work, a new purpose, or a new social contribution.</li></ul><p> </p><p> </p>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently this podcast was invited to co-host a <a href="https://nextforme.com">Next For Me</a> event in NYC called “Myths & Misconceptions: The Truth About 50+ Consumers." (Full disclosure: NFM is one of our sponsors.) The other co-hosts were <a href="https://strianews.com">Stria News</a> and <a href="https://www.silvernest.com">Silvernest</a>. Stria News is a media platform for the longevity market that inspires cross-sector solutions for our aging society. Silvernest is an online service that pairs boomers, retirees and empty nesters with compatible housemates for long-term home sharing.</p><p>The event took place at <a href="https://www.trovesocial.com/" target="_blank">Trove Social</a>, a social club for people in their prime, in lower Manhattan. About 50 people attended, all of whom are active in one way or another with the midlife reinvention movement. That included members of the media, marketers, entrepreneurs and consumers.</p><p>The goal was to discuss, honestly and openly, the myths and misconceptions surrounding the age 50+ demographic and how this translates into a lost market opportunity. And to bust those myths. You’re probably familiar with a lot of them:</p><p> </p><ul><li><i>Older people are grumpy.</i></li><li><i>Older people hate technology and don’t use it.</i></li><li><i>Older people don’t spend money.</i></li><li><i>Older people don’t have sex... and they don’t want to</i>.</li><li><i>Older people have less to contribute.</i></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>The underlying question: what if more people recognized that those 50 and up are a vast, diverse and untapped source of potential dollar revenue as well as being overlooked contributors to society?</strong></p><p>Some of us might still be having sex while others don’t. Some of us love technology and the latest iPhone while others tolerate it or ignore it. The point is that the millions of members of this age 50-plus demographic are all different. And yet we all seem to be confronted with the same ageist attitudes and the same misconceptions about who we are as individuals.</p><p>In this episode Debbie chats with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jefftidwell">Jeff Tidwell</a>, co-founder of Next For Me. This is a follow-up to Debbie's conversation with Jeff in <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-8-jeff-tidwell-mid-life-entrepreneur-work-purpose/">EP8 of Season 1.</a> She also talks to <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/longevity-market-needs-place-come-together-susan-donley/">Susan Donley</a>, founder, publisher and CEO of Stria News, and to <a href="https://blog.silvernest.com/author/wendi-burkhardt">Wendi Burkhardt</a>, co-founder and CEO of Silvernest.</p><p><strong>PHOTO</strong>: Debbie, left, and Wendi Burkhardt of Silvernest.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Mentioned in the episode</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/a-next-for-me-event-new-york-ny-october-7-2019/">Next For Me's Oct. 7, 2019 event in NYC</a></li><li><a href="https://strianews.com/an-unabashedly-honest-conversation-on-the-realities-of-aging/">"An Unabashedly Honest Conversation on the Realities of Aging"</a> (article in Stria News by Carolyn Jacobs on Oct. 21, 2019)<br /><br /> </li></ul><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it means so much!</li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify<br /><br /> </li></ul><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://www.jrkrikorian.com/services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de/">Manuel Senfft</a><br /><br /> </li></ul><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Read Debbie and Sam's blog: <a href="http://gapyearaftersixty.com/">Gap Year After Sixty</a><br /><br /> </li></ul><p><strong>Thanks to our Media Partners!</strong></p><ul><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a>, an ideas and innovation hub tapping the talent of those 50+ as a force for good.</li><li><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a> Navigating mid-life transitions: Grow Whole, Not Old.</li><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a> Rewriting +50 life through new work, a new purpose, or a new social contribution.</li></ul><p> </p><p> </p>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://barbarawaxman.com/">Barbara Waxman</a>, a gerontologist, author and coach, has coined the term <i>middlescence</i> to describe a new stage in midlife and beyond.</p><p>She describes it as a transitional period often accompanied by physical changes, as well as social and economic changes. Sound familiar? Physical and hormonal changes are what we think of when we talk about adolescence. More important, Middlescence is like adolescence but with wisdom thrown in. Barbara defines it as the period from age 45 to 75ish. In her words, it is “a turning point from which adults continue to develop and grow. (It is) a life stage created by increased longevity patterns in the 21st century.”</p><p>Our conversation ranges widely, from exploring the concept of Middlescence, to redefining success in this stage of life.</p><p><strong>What we talked about:</strong></p><ul><li>Why midlife is such a popular topic right now</li><li>Middlescence vs. adolescence</li><li>How to counter ageism</li><li>How to change the narrative of how we feel when we look in the mirror and see our aging selves</li><li>Barbara’s gap year in Italy – she calls it repotting (like a plant)</li><li>The importance of lifelong learning</li><li>What contributes to thriving or not thriving</li><li>The <a href="https://barbarawaxman.com/fiveessentials/">5 essentials mindset</a> and why it is so important</li></ul><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p><ul><li>Barbara’s <a href="https://barbarawaxman.com/middlescence/">definition of Middlescence</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Middlesence-Manifesto-Igniting-passion-midlife/dp/0998227404">The Middlescence Manifesto</a> by Barbara Waxman</li><li>Also available as a <a href="https://barbarawaxman.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Middlescence-Manifesto-Final.pdf?">download</a> from her site</li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">Modern Elder Academy</a> in Baja, Mexico where Barbara is teaching in April 2020</li><li>Download Barbara's <a href="https://barbarawaxman.com/thethrivingquiz/">Thriving Quiz</a> to see how well you score</li></ul><p><br /><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it means so much!</li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://www.jrkrikorian.com/services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de">Manuel Senfft</a></li></ul><p> </p><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Read Debbie and Sam's blog: <a href="http://gapyearaftersixty.com">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul><p><br /><strong>Thanks to our Media Partners!</strong></p><ul><li><a href="http://encore.org">Encore.org</a>, an ideas and innovation hub tapping the talent of those 50+ as a force for good.</li><li><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a> Navigating mid-life transitions: Grow Whole, Not Old.</li><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a> Rewriting +50 life through new work, a new purpose, or a new social contribution.</li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Debbie and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/katietremper/">Katie Tremper</a> talk about the challenges of slowing down to take care of yourself. More recently, Katie, 56, has also been coping with a chronic illness, MS. Ironically, her diagnosis has helped her reconnect with herself.</p><p>In this conversation Katie is remarkably open about why she is starting a <strong>Year of Wellness</strong>. After 33 years as a nonprofit executive in education, she is making a radical life change. But her story is about more than deciding to taking <strong>a grown-up gap year</strong>. Katie was diagnosed with MS - multiple sclerosis - several years ago. She talks about what it means to live with a chronic illness, all the ups and downs and frustrations.</p><p>Her goal for her Year of Wellness is to reduce and slow her symptoms. She and her husband have downsized from high pressure San Francisco to the smaller quieter city of Davis, CA and she plans to take better care of herself in a multitude of ways: from cooking and eating more healthy foods to exercising to finding moments of joy in her daily life. We talk about the complexity of slowing down after a lifetime of working so hard. We also talk about dying and whether the horizon has shifted for her.</p><p><strong>After we spoke, Katie offered this revealing update via email about her Year of Wellness:</strong></p><blockquote><p>"We have completed our move to Davis, where we are now the proud owners of a lovely little house in a quiet neighborhood, surrounded by lots of trees and great neighbors. A big part of my vision for my "Year of Wellness" is finding a place of peace, and I think I have found it! Although I have not been working at a job for almost 3 months, I have been very busy with the move.</p><p>One big learning for me is to ASK for help when I need it. I didn't do that going into the move, and we ended up bringing a lot of boxes that I wish I'd been able to go through, sort and purge beforehand.</p><p>My "bucket list," or program that I have envisioned and developed has not changed. It includes: establishing healthy daily habits to improve my mind, body and spirit; managing our finances (to include learning to live on 1/2 the income we had last year); exploring and expressing my creative side, and having fun, laughing, and experiencing joy.</p><p>I've not been able to implement everything as quickly as I would have liked, but I remind myself that the changes we are going through (jobs, major move, chronic illness) are big, stressful, and exhausting at times.</p><p>I also haven't begun a creative endeavor yet... I want to start writing regularly. I also haven't done much cooking or developing a better diet and nutrition plan for myself. But I'm being compassionate with myself on not being as "successful" as quickly as I imagined, and I truly believe that I will get to all of my goals, in some form or another, by the end of this calendar year.</p><p>My career has been dedicated to helping other people realize their goals and dreams through education, but I have become burned out, exhausted, and spent after three decades. I've always had a hard time with self-care (God forbid I try to take care of myself first) and I realized that was part of my problem.</p><p>One thing that has surprised me is that I am not having the chronic pain I was having the past couple of years in San Francisco, when I was so stressed it was making me sick. MS causes inflammation throughout the body, and I regularly had headaches, backaches, and tendonitis.</p><p>I know have the time to be more present in the moment, and to really spend quality time with people and doing things I love." - <strong>Katie Tremper</strong></p></blockquote><p><i>PHOTO: Katie posing with Debbie's husband Sam, in Baja, Mexico.</i></p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode</strong></p><ul><li>Katie Tremper's <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/katietremper/">LinkedIn profile</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">Modern Elder Academy</a> (MEA) in Baja, Mexico</li><li>City of <a href="https://www.cityofdavis.org/">Davis, CA</a> to which Katie and her husband have moved</li></ul><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it means so much!</li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://www.jrkrikorian.com/services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de">Manuel Senfft</a></li></ul><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Read Debbie and Sam's blog: <a href="http://gapyearaftersixty.com">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul><p><strong>Thanks to our Media Partners!</strong></p><ul><li><a href="http://encore.org">Encore.org</a>, an ideas and innovation hub tapping the talent of those 50+ as a force for good.</li><li><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a> Navigating mid-life transitions: Grow Whole, Not Old.</li><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a> Rewriting +50 life through new work, a new purpose, or a new social contribution.</li></ul>
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She and her husband have downsized from high pressure San Francisco to the smaller quieter city of Davis, CA and she plans to take better care of herself in a multitude of ways: from cooking and eating more healthy foods to exercising to finding moments of joy in her daily life. We talk about the complexity of slowing down after a lifetime of working so hard. We also talk about dying and whether the horizon has shifted for her.</p><p><strong>After we spoke, Katie offered this revealing update via email about her Year of Wellness:</strong></p><blockquote><p>"We have completed our move to Davis, where we are now the proud owners of a lovely little house in a quiet neighborhood, surrounded by lots of trees and great neighbors. A big part of my vision for my "Year of Wellness" is finding a place of peace, and I think I have found it! Although I have not been working at a job for almost 3 months, I have been very busy with the move.</p><p>One big learning for me is to ASK for help when I need it. I didn't do that going into the move, and we ended up bringing a lot of boxes that I wish I'd been able to go through, sort and purge beforehand.</p><p>My "bucket list," or program that I have envisioned and developed has not changed. It includes: establishing healthy daily habits to improve my mind, body and spirit; managing our finances (to include learning to live on 1/2 the income we had last year); exploring and expressing my creative side, and having fun, laughing, and experiencing joy.</p><p>I've not been able to implement everything as quickly as I would have liked, but I remind myself that the changes we are going through (jobs, major move, chronic illness) are big, stressful, and exhausting at times.</p><p>I also haven't begun a creative endeavor yet... I want to start writing regularly. I also haven't done much cooking or developing a better diet and nutrition plan for myself. But I'm being compassionate with myself on not being as "successful" as quickly as I imagined, and I truly believe that I will get to all of my goals, in some form or another, by the end of this calendar year.</p><p>My career has been dedicated to helping other people realize their goals and dreams through education, but I have become burned out, exhausted, and spent after three decades. I've always had a hard time with self-care (God forbid I try to take care of myself first) and I realized that was part of my problem.</p><p>One thing that has surprised me is that I am not having the chronic pain I was having the past couple of years in San Francisco, when I was so stressed it was making me sick. MS causes inflammation throughout the body, and I regularly had headaches, backaches, and tendonitis.</p><p>I know have the time to be more present in the moment, and to really spend quality time with people and doing things I love." - <strong>Katie Tremper</strong></p></blockquote><p><i>PHOTO: Katie posing with Debbie's husband Sam, in Baja, Mexico.</i></p><p><strong>Mentioned in this episode</strong></p><ul><li>Katie Tremper's <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/katietremper/">LinkedIn profile</a></li><li><a href="https://modernelderacademy.com/">Modern Elder Academy</a> (MEA) in Baja, Mexico</li><li>City of <a href="https://www.cityofdavis.org/">Davis, CA</a> to which Katie and her husband have moved</li></ul><p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it means so much!</li><li><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify</li></ul><p><strong>Credits:</strong></p><ul><li>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://www.jrkrikorian.com/services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></li><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></li><li>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de">Manuel Senfft</a></li></ul><p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p><ul><li>Email: <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></li><li>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil</a></li><li>Read Debbie and Sam's blog: <a href="http://gapyearaftersixty.com">Gap Year After Sixty</a></li></ul><p><strong>Thanks to our Media Partners!</strong></p><ul><li><a href="http://encore.org">Encore.org</a>, an ideas and innovation hub tapping the talent of those 50+ as a force for good.</li><li><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a> Navigating mid-life transitions: Grow Whole, Not Old.</li><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a> Rewriting +50 life through new work, a new purpose, or a new social contribution.</li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>The term <i>gap year</i> symbolizes so much more than taking a time out. It is a frame for examining such topics as reinvention, a new purpose, aging with wisdom, trying new things, bucket list travel, a new approach to health and well-being, and more. All the topics that relate to living well in this stage of life.</p><p>My guests in Season 2 will be a mix of inspiring individuals who are taking or have taken grown-up gap years along with well-known authors and experts on all the topics I’ve mentioned.</p><p><strong>Join us on this new season of Gap Year for Grown-Ups, and let’s dive</strong> <i><strong>deep</strong></i><strong>... into</strong> <i><strong>what’s next</strong></i><strong>.</strong></p><p>And as always, if you’ve got ideas for future shows or guests, email us at <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></p><p>We will publish a new episode every other Friday, starting Oct. 18, 2019. (With a week off here or there over the holidays.)</p><p><strong>Debbie Weil, your host</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Gap Year podcast website</a></li></ul><p><i>Our Media Partners</i></p><ul><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a>, an ideas and innovation hub tapping the talent of those 50+ as a force for good.</li><li><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a> Navigating mid-life transitions: Grow Whole, Not Old.</li><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a> Rewriting +50 life through new work, a new purpose, or a new social contribution.</li></ul><p><i>Credits:</i></p><ul><li>Show creator and host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://www.jrkrikorian.com/services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></li><li>Debbie and Sam's <a href="http://gapyearaftersixty.com">Gap Year After Sixty blog</a></li></ul>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 2 Oct 2019 14:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term <i>gap year</i> symbolizes so much more than taking a time out. It is a frame for examining such topics as reinvention, a new purpose, aging with wisdom, trying new things, bucket list travel, a new approach to health and well-being, and more. All the topics that relate to living well in this stage of life.</p><p>My guests in Season 2 will be a mix of inspiring individuals who are taking or have taken grown-up gap years along with well-known authors and experts on all the topics I’ve mentioned.</p><p><strong>Join us on this new season of Gap Year for Grown-Ups, and let’s dive</strong> <i><strong>deep</strong></i><strong>... into</strong> <i><strong>what’s next</strong></i><strong>.</strong></p><p>And as always, if you’ve got ideas for future shows or guests, email us at <a href="mailto:thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com">thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</a></p><p>We will publish a new episode every other Friday, starting Oct. 18, 2019. (With a week off here or there over the holidays.)</p><p><strong>Debbie Weil, your host</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Gap Year podcast website</a></li></ul><p><i>Our Media Partners</i></p><ul><li><a href="http://encore.org/">Encore.org</a>, an ideas and innovation hub tapping the talent of those 50+ as a force for good.</li><li><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a> Navigating mid-life transitions: Grow Whole, Not Old.</li><li><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a> Rewriting +50 life through new work, a new purpose, or a new social contribution.</li></ul><p><i>Credits:</i></p><ul><li>Show creator and host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></li><li>Producer: <a href="https://www.jrkrikorian.com/services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></li><li>Debbie and Sam's <a href="http://gapyearaftersixty.com">Gap Year After Sixty blog</a></li></ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>In the last episode of Season 1 of <a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Gap Year For Grown-Ups</a>, Debbie reflects on how the podcast has evolved. Initially she aimed to appeal to adults of any age seeking a timeout. But she realized that her focus was really on <em>mid-life reinvention</em> (50+), whether it's a gap year or a gap week, as a way to reflect, redirect, find new meaning and purpose - and find happiness. And of course that is the topic closest to her own heart.</p>
<p>Fittingly, for this episode she invited Marc Freedman - best-selling author, renowned social entrepreneur and leading expert on the longevity revolution - to be her guest. The subject was Marc's bestselling new book, <em>How to Live Forever</em>, but their conversation ranges widely. They talk about aging and ageism, age segregation, the meaning of legacy, how Silicon Valley's quest for immortality is misguided, how older and younger generations are built for each other (the old want to be needed and the young want to be nurtured), how Marc is becoming an <em>elder</em> himself, his challenges writing his new book, and more.</p>
<p>Marc is the founder of Encore.org, a 20-year-old ideas and innovation hub tapping the talent of those 50+ as a force for good. <a href="https://encore.org/fellowships/">Encore Fellows</a>, <a href="https://generationtogeneration.org/encoreprize/">the Encore Prize</a>, <a href="https://generationtogeneration.org/">Gen2Gen</a> and other programs are among Encore's practical approaches to solving the problem of the generational divide and the exploding number of those age 60+.</p>
<p><em>Full disclosure: Encore.org is this podcast's newest Media Partner.</em></p>
<p><strong>Mentioned in this episode</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://encore.org/marc-freedman/">About Marc</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://encore.org/howtoliveforever/?">How to Live Forever</a> by Marc Freedman (Public Affairs, 2018)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="http://encore.org">Encore.org</a> (founded by Marc in 1998 as Civic Ventures)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.adultdevelopmentstudy.org/">Harvard’s 75-year Study of Adult Development</a>, begun by George Vaillant and now run by Robert Waldman</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/robert_waldinger_what_makes_a_good_life_lessons_from_the_longest_study_on_happiness?language=en">What makes a good life? Lessons From the longest study on happiness? </a>(TED talk by Robert Waldinger with almost 28 million views)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="http://longevity.stanford.edu/">Stanford’s Center on Longevity</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urie_Bronfenbrenner">Urie Bronfenbrenner </a>(prominent child psychologist)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/31/style/milliennial-nuns-spiritual-quest.html">Nuns and Nones</a>: a project that moved religion-free Millennials into a convent.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it means so much!</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> and share this episode with friends</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Credits:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Show creator and host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Producer and editor: <a href="https://jercatime.wordpress.com/podcast-producing-services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de">Manuel Senfft</a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Email: thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil </a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Read Debbie and Sam's <a href="http://gapyearaftersixty.com">Gap Year After Sixty</a> blog</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Thanks to our Media Partners!</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="http://encore.org">Encore.org</a>, an ideas and innovation hub tapping the talent of those 50+ as a force for good.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a> Navigating mid-life transitions: Grow Whole, Not Old.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me </a> Rewriting +50 life through new work, a new purpose, or a new social contribution.</p>
</li>
</ul>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 12 Jul 2019 09:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>wordbiz@gmail.com (Debbie Weil)</author>
      <link>https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-12-marc-freedman-on-how-to-live-forever-its-not-what-you-think/</link>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the last episode of Season 1 of <a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Gap Year For Grown-Ups</a>, Debbie reflects on how the podcast has evolved. Initially she aimed to appeal to adults of any age seeking a timeout. But she realized that her focus was really on <em>mid-life reinvention</em> (50+), whether it's a gap year or a gap week, as a way to reflect, redirect, find new meaning and purpose - and find happiness. And of course that is the topic closest to her own heart.</p>
<p>Fittingly, for this episode she invited Marc Freedman - best-selling author, renowned social entrepreneur and leading expert on the longevity revolution - to be her guest. The subject was Marc's bestselling new book, <em>How to Live Forever</em>, but their conversation ranges widely. They talk about aging and ageism, age segregation, the meaning of legacy, how Silicon Valley's quest for immortality is misguided, how older and younger generations are built for each other (the old want to be needed and the young want to be nurtured), how Marc is becoming an <em>elder</em> himself, his challenges writing his new book, and more.</p>
<p>Marc is the founder of Encore.org, a 20-year-old ideas and innovation hub tapping the talent of those 50+ as a force for good. <a href="https://encore.org/fellowships/">Encore Fellows</a>, <a href="https://generationtogeneration.org/encoreprize/">the Encore Prize</a>, <a href="https://generationtogeneration.org/">Gen2Gen</a> and other programs are among Encore's practical approaches to solving the problem of the generational divide and the exploding number of those age 60+.</p>
<p><em>Full disclosure: Encore.org is this podcast's newest Media Partner.</em></p>
<p><strong>Mentioned in this episode</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://encore.org/marc-freedman/">About Marc</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://encore.org/howtoliveforever/?">How to Live Forever</a> by Marc Freedman (Public Affairs, 2018)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="http://encore.org">Encore.org</a> (founded by Marc in 1998 as Civic Ventures)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.adultdevelopmentstudy.org/">Harvard’s 75-year Study of Adult Development</a>, begun by George Vaillant and now run by Robert Waldman</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/robert_waldinger_what_makes_a_good_life_lessons_from_the_longest_study_on_happiness?language=en">What makes a good life? Lessons From the longest study on happiness? </a>(TED talk by Robert Waldinger with almost 28 million views)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="http://longevity.stanford.edu/">Stanford’s Center on Longevity</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urie_Bronfenbrenner">Urie Bronfenbrenner </a>(prominent child psychologist)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/31/style/milliennial-nuns-spiritual-quest.html">Nuns and Nones</a>: a project that moved religion-free Millennials into a convent.</p>
</li>
</ul>
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<p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a>: it means so much!</p>
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<p><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> and share this episode with friends</p>
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<p><strong>Credits:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Show creator and host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Producer and editor: <a href="https://jercatime.wordpress.com/podcast-producing-services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de">Manuel Senfft</a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Email: thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil </a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Read Debbie and Sam's <a href="http://gapyearaftersixty.com">Gap Year After Sixty</a> blog</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Thanks to our Media Partners!</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="http://encore.org">Encore.org</a>, an ideas and innovation hub tapping the talent of those 50+ as a force for good.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a> Navigating mid-life transitions: Grow Whole, Not Old.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me </a> Rewriting +50 life through new work, a new purpose, or a new social contribution.</p>
</li>
</ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Debbie sits down with Dr. Joy Dryer, a clinical psychologist and psychoanalyst who has been in private practice for 40 years. Dr. Joy (as her patients call her) works with individuals, families and couples making transitions. So the big existential questions have special interest for her: <em>Who am I right now? Who do I want to be? And where? And with whom?</em></p>
<p>These are essential gap year questions, especially for those in mid-life thinking about their marriage or other partner relationships and how they want to spend the time they have left. She has a special interest in couples and how they try to answer the big questions together.</p>
<p>When Debbie and Sam left D.C. to take their gap year, they transitioned from essentially individual pursuits to a shared life. They found themselves spending a lot more time together and decided they needed someone to help them navigate this new shared stage in their relationship. They went to Dr. Joy looking for tools to communicate better as a mid-life couple; she was terrifically helpful.</p>
<p>But this episode is not a therapy session. Debbie met up with Dr. Joy in her Brooklyn office to discuss mid-life and transitions, how marriages and relationships stay strong or sink, and how thinking about death can be a good thing.</p>
<p><strong>Mentioned in this episode</strong></p>
<p>Her website: <a href="http://www.joydryerphd.com/">Dr. Joy Dryer, PhD</a></p>
<p><strong>Dr. Joy's Acronyms</strong>:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>MC{squared}: Money X Children X Career (plus Sex)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>BLT (the existential questions, not the sandwich): Body, Love and Time</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><a href="ttp://debbieweil.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/DrJoy_Defining-Existential-Psych-1.16.docx-1.pdf">Definition of Existential Psychotherapy</a> (PDF)</p>
<p><a href="http://iarpp.net/events">International Association for Relational Psychoanalysis and Psychotherapy </a> at whose International Conference Dr. Joy recently presented a paper.</p>
<p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> and share this episode with friends!</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Credits:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Show creator and host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Producer and editor: <a href="https://jercatime.wordpress.com/podcast-producing-services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de">Manuel Senfft</a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Email: thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil </a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Thanks to our Media Partners!</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="http://encore.org">Encore.org</a>, an ideas and innovation hub tapping the talent of those 50+ as a force for good.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a> Navigating mid-life transitions: Grow Whole, Not Old.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me </a> Rewriting +50 life through new work, a new purpose, or a new social contribution.</p>
</li>
</ul>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 28 Jun 2019 09:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>wordbiz@gmail.com (Debbie Weil)</author>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debbie sits down with Dr. Joy Dryer, a clinical psychologist and psychoanalyst who has been in private practice for 40 years. Dr. Joy (as her patients call her) works with individuals, families and couples making transitions. So the big existential questions have special interest for her: <em>Who am I right now? Who do I want to be? And where? And with whom?</em></p>
<p>These are essential gap year questions, especially for those in mid-life thinking about their marriage or other partner relationships and how they want to spend the time they have left. She has a special interest in couples and how they try to answer the big questions together.</p>
<p>When Debbie and Sam left D.C. to take their gap year, they transitioned from essentially individual pursuits to a shared life. They found themselves spending a lot more time together and decided they needed someone to help them navigate this new shared stage in their relationship. They went to Dr. Joy looking for tools to communicate better as a mid-life couple; she was terrifically helpful.</p>
<p>But this episode is not a therapy session. Debbie met up with Dr. Joy in her Brooklyn office to discuss mid-life and transitions, how marriages and relationships stay strong or sink, and how thinking about death can be a good thing.</p>
<p><strong>Mentioned in this episode</strong></p>
<p>Her website: <a href="http://www.joydryerphd.com/">Dr. Joy Dryer, PhD</a></p>
<p><strong>Dr. Joy's Acronyms</strong>:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>MC{squared}: Money X Children X Career (plus Sex)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>BLT (the existential questions, not the sandwich): Body, Love and Time</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><a href="ttp://debbieweil.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/DrJoy_Defining-Existential-Psych-1.16.docx-1.pdf">Definition of Existential Psychotherapy</a> (PDF)</p>
<p><a href="http://iarpp.net/events">International Association for Relational Psychoanalysis and Psychotherapy </a> at whose International Conference Dr. Joy recently presented a paper.</p>
<p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> and share this episode with friends!</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Credits:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Show creator and host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Producer and editor: <a href="https://jercatime.wordpress.com/podcast-producing-services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de">Manuel Senfft</a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Email: thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil </a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Thanks to our Media Partners!</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="http://encore.org">Encore.org</a>, an ideas and innovation hub tapping the talent of those 50+ as a force for good.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a> Navigating mid-life transitions: Grow Whole, Not Old.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me </a> Rewriting +50 life through new work, a new purpose, or a new social contribution.</p>
</li>
</ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode Debbie talks with Sam, her husband and gap year co-conspirator, about a longstanding bucket list item: to live in France for an extended period in order to practice and improve their French. Coincidentally, both have childhood ties to France. Debbie speaks semi fluently and Sam almost as well.</p>
<p>After two weeks in Avignon, they’re back in the U.S. where they sit down to make sense of the experience. Their first week they studied in an immersion program with an excellent young teacher, Julie Gaudin. Listen to the sounds of Avignon during their second week as they wander the pedestrian-only streets of this marvelous small city, sit in cafés, and shop at the famous covered market. They also took several excursions outside the city, which meant renting a car and figuring out where to park it.</p>
<p>They both agree you can't become a true ex-pat in only two weeks but it's enough time to adopt a daily routine and to make a friend or two at the local boulangerie and at a favorite bar serving artisanal beer. Despite their many trips to Paris and other parts of France, they continue to find French culture slightly mysterious. The solution? Go back and live in France for a year. That may or may not happen...</p>
<p><strong>PHOTO</strong>: Debbie and Sam in the poppy fields near <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uz%C3%A8s">Uzès</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Mentioned in this episode</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><strong>Séjour linguistique</strong> means staying with a teacher (or prof) in their home for language immersion.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pithiviers">Pithiviers</a> is a town south of France where Sam lived on a farm when he was 18. It was also the site of the infamous Pithiviers internment camp during the Second World War.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Coll%C3%A8ge-Lyc%C3%A9e_C%C3%A9venol_International">Collège Cévenol </a>in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Chambon-sur-Lignon">Le Chambon-sur-Lignon </a>is where Debbie Went to school for a year when she was 14.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>French immersion programs via <a href="https://www.frenchtoday.com/learn-french-in-france/">FrenchToday.com</a> <em>Note: in this episode Debbie mistakenly refers to the site as FranceToday.</em></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.frenchtoday.com/immersion/french-immersion-in-provence/">Julie's immersion program in Avignon</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.alliancefr.org">Alliance Française</a> in Paris</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g187212-d10285139-Reviews-Les_Tables_De_La_Fontaine-Avignon_Vaucluse_Provence_Alpes_Cote_d_Azur.html">Les Tables de la Fontaine</a> in Avignon where Debbie interviewed the owner</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g187212-d15805375-Reviews-Cheer_Me_Up-Avignon_Vaucluse_Provence_Alpes_Cote_d_Azur.html">Cheer Me Up</a>, one of the cafés we frequented with Julie for our morning French lessons. Serving coffee and tiramisu, which means cheer me up in Italian.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.avignon-et-provence.com/en/monuments/covered-market-halles">Les Halles</a>, the famed covered market in Avignon filled with magnificent displays of fish, meat, vegetables, fruit, cheese, olives, bread, lavendar honey, wine and more. Sam discovered <em>les bulots</em>: whelks or large snails best eaten alongside raw oysters and with a glass of white wine.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Quirky <a href="http://www.cinemas-utopia.org/avignon/">Cinéma Utopia</a> in Avignon where we saw two French films on two rainy afternoons. Debbie insisted she got the gist of both films. At the end of the second one, Sam said, &quot;Well, I know I understood the last sentence.&quot;</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/4204169?source_impression_id=p3_1560375217_N6F3kTEFDKVK0GGG">Our AirBnB</a> in the center of old Avignon</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.parkopedia.fr/parking/carpark/pr_des_italiens/84000/avignon/?arriving=201906130000&amp;leaving=201906130200">Parking des Italiens</a> just outside the ancient walls of Avignon (1,150 free parking spaces... AND the free navette shuttle bus we talk about.)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Our favorite excursion outside the city: <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorges_de_la_Nesque">Les Gorges de la Nesque</a> (near Sault)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="http://www.museegranet-aixenprovence.fr/en/collections/cezanne-at-the-musee-granet.html">Musée Granet in Aix-en-Provence</a> (small Cézanne collection with a focus on his obsession, the nearby Mont Sainte-Victoire)</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> and share this episode with friends!</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Credits:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Show creator and host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Producer and editor: <a href="https://jercatime.wordpress.com/podcast-producing-services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de">Manuel Senfft</a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Email: thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil </a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Thanks to our partners!</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a> Navigating mid-life transitions: Grow Whole, Not Old</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me </a> Rewriting +50 Life</p>
</li>
</ul>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 14 Jun 2019 09:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>wordbiz@gmail.com (Debbie Weil)</author>
      <link>https://debbieweil.com/podcast</link>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode Debbie talks with Sam, her husband and gap year co-conspirator, about a longstanding bucket list item: to live in France for an extended period in order to practice and improve their French. Coincidentally, both have childhood ties to France. Debbie speaks semi fluently and Sam almost as well.</p>
<p>After two weeks in Avignon, they’re back in the U.S. where they sit down to make sense of the experience. Their first week they studied in an immersion program with an excellent young teacher, Julie Gaudin. Listen to the sounds of Avignon during their second week as they wander the pedestrian-only streets of this marvelous small city, sit in cafés, and shop at the famous covered market. They also took several excursions outside the city, which meant renting a car and figuring out where to park it.</p>
<p>They both agree you can't become a true ex-pat in only two weeks but it's enough time to adopt a daily routine and to make a friend or two at the local boulangerie and at a favorite bar serving artisanal beer. Despite their many trips to Paris and other parts of France, they continue to find French culture slightly mysterious. The solution? Go back and live in France for a year. That may or may not happen...</p>
<p><strong>PHOTO</strong>: Debbie and Sam in the poppy fields near <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uz%C3%A8s">Uzès</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Mentioned in this episode</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><strong>Séjour linguistique</strong> means staying with a teacher (or prof) in their home for language immersion.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pithiviers">Pithiviers</a> is a town south of France where Sam lived on a farm when he was 18. It was also the site of the infamous Pithiviers internment camp during the Second World War.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Coll%C3%A8ge-Lyc%C3%A9e_C%C3%A9venol_International">Collège Cévenol </a>in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Chambon-sur-Lignon">Le Chambon-sur-Lignon </a>is where Debbie Went to school for a year when she was 14.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>French immersion programs via <a href="https://www.frenchtoday.com/learn-french-in-france/">FrenchToday.com</a> <em>Note: in this episode Debbie mistakenly refers to the site as FranceToday.</em></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.frenchtoday.com/immersion/french-immersion-in-provence/">Julie's immersion program in Avignon</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.alliancefr.org">Alliance Française</a> in Paris</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g187212-d10285139-Reviews-Les_Tables_De_La_Fontaine-Avignon_Vaucluse_Provence_Alpes_Cote_d_Azur.html">Les Tables de la Fontaine</a> in Avignon where Debbie interviewed the owner</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g187212-d15805375-Reviews-Cheer_Me_Up-Avignon_Vaucluse_Provence_Alpes_Cote_d_Azur.html">Cheer Me Up</a>, one of the cafés we frequented with Julie for our morning French lessons. Serving coffee and tiramisu, which means cheer me up in Italian.</p>
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<p><a href="https://www.avignon-et-provence.com/en/monuments/covered-market-halles">Les Halles</a>, the famed covered market in Avignon filled with magnificent displays of fish, meat, vegetables, fruit, cheese, olives, bread, lavendar honey, wine and more. Sam discovered <em>les bulots</em>: whelks or large snails best eaten alongside raw oysters and with a glass of white wine.</p>
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<p>Quirky <a href="http://www.cinemas-utopia.org/avignon/">Cinéma Utopia</a> in Avignon where we saw two French films on two rainy afternoons. Debbie insisted she got the gist of both films. At the end of the second one, Sam said, &quot;Well, I know I understood the last sentence.&quot;</p>
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<li>
<p><a href="https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/4204169?source_impression_id=p3_1560375217_N6F3kTEFDKVK0GGG">Our AirBnB</a> in the center of old Avignon</p>
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<li>
<p><a href="https://www.parkopedia.fr/parking/carpark/pr_des_italiens/84000/avignon/?arriving=201906130000&amp;leaving=201906130200">Parking des Italiens</a> just outside the ancient walls of Avignon (1,150 free parking spaces... AND the free navette shuttle bus we talk about.)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Our favorite excursion outside the city: <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorges_de_la_Nesque">Les Gorges de la Nesque</a> (near Sault)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="http://www.museegranet-aixenprovence.fr/en/collections/cezanne-at-the-musee-granet.html">Musée Granet in Aix-en-Provence</a> (small Cézanne collection with a focus on his obsession, the nearby Mont Sainte-Victoire)</p>
</li>
</ul>
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<p>Show creator and host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Producer and editor: <a href="https://jercatime.wordpress.com/podcast-producing-services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de">Manuel Senfft</a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Email: thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</p>
</li>
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<p>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></p>
</li>
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<p>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil </a></p>
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</ul>
<p><strong>Thanks to our partners!</strong></p>
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<p><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a> Navigating mid-life transitions: Grow Whole, Not Old</p>
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<p><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me </a> Rewriting +50 Life</p>
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</ul>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode Debbie talks about the most surprising result of her gap year: she created, produces and directs <em>Island Women Speak</em>, a popular multi-generational women's storytelling event in Stonington, Maine, the small coastal town she now calls home. She calls it a <em>gap year</em> accomplishment because it's a <em>new and unexpected thing</em> she never imagined herself doing.</p>
<p>She has coached and edited nonfiction writers for years but this was her first foray into coaching storytellers and producing a live stage event. To her surprise and delight, the recurring event has been a resounding success. The audience in this remote coastal community yearns for truth and authenticity, especially from performers everyone knows.</p>
<p><em>Island Women Speak</em>, inspired by <a href="https://themoth.org/">The Moth</a>, premiered at the Stonington Opera House in January 2018. Since then, twenty-two women, ages 20 to 95, have each performed five-minute stories that they've written and rehearsed.   The stories were on themes ranging from falling in love and leaving home to coming out as gay and dealing with depression and anxiety. The most recent Island Women Speak, in January 2019, focused on the topic of <em>standing up and speaking out.</em></p>
<p>The theme was not meant to be overtly political but it was fitting following a year of #METOO revelations and coming on the heels of the record number of women elected to the U.S. House of Representatives.</p>
<p>In the opening of the podcast, you will hear Lorraine Knowlton, 85, a lifelong resident of Deer Isle, performing her story about overcoming extreme shyness as a child. Debbie also interviews storyteller Amanda Larrabee about the impact of the event and why it has been so powerful for both performers and the audience.</p>
<p><strong>Mentioned in episode</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://debbieweil.com/island-women-speak/">Island Women Speak</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://debbieweil.com/island-women-speak-videos/">Videos of IWS performances</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.operahousearts.org/">Stonington Opera House</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.generationwomen.us/">Generation Women</a> (produced by Georgia Clark in NYC)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://themoth.org/">The Moth </a>(the art and craft of storytelling)</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Media coverage</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.ellsworthamerican.com/living/living-entertainment/island-women-to-speak-out-about-their-lives/?fbclid=IwAR3IyJKcTb369BBCvtl5M-qO3Re8jlHiNRdWRJ9rz2MXT9KA3bXWZ0jYd_E">Island women to speak out about their lives</a> (Ellsworth American, Jan. 2019)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="http://islandadvantages.com/news/2018/jan/29/island-women-speak-shares-life-stories-of-eight-lo/#.XO7s99NKgWp">Island Women Speak shares life stories of eight local women</a> (Island AdVantages, Jan. 2018)</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> and share this episode with friends!</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Credits:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Show creator and host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Producer and editor: <a href="https://jercatime.wordpress.com/podcast-producing-services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de">Manuel Senfft</a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Email: thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil </a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Thanks to our sponsors!</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a> Navigating mid-life transitions: Grow Whole, Not Old</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me </a> Rewriting +50 Life</p>
</li>
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<p>She has coached and edited nonfiction writers for years but this was her first foray into coaching storytellers and producing a live stage event. To her surprise and delight, the recurring event has been a resounding success. The audience in this remote coastal community yearns for truth and authenticity, especially from performers everyone knows.</p>
<p><em>Island Women Speak</em>, inspired by <a href="https://themoth.org/">The Moth</a>, premiered at the Stonington Opera House in January 2018. Since then, twenty-two women, ages 20 to 95, have each performed five-minute stories that they've written and rehearsed.   The stories were on themes ranging from falling in love and leaving home to coming out as gay and dealing with depression and anxiety. The most recent Island Women Speak, in January 2019, focused on the topic of <em>standing up and speaking out.</em></p>
<p>The theme was not meant to be overtly political but it was fitting following a year of #METOO revelations and coming on the heels of the record number of women elected to the U.S. House of Representatives.</p>
<p>In the opening of the podcast, you will hear Lorraine Knowlton, 85, a lifelong resident of Deer Isle, performing her story about overcoming extreme shyness as a child. Debbie also interviews storyteller Amanda Larrabee about the impact of the event and why it has been so powerful for both performers and the audience.</p>
<p><strong>Mentioned in episode</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://debbieweil.com/island-women-speak/">Island Women Speak</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://debbieweil.com/island-women-speak-videos/">Videos of IWS performances</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.operahousearts.org/">Stonington Opera House</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.generationwomen.us/">Generation Women</a> (produced by Georgia Clark in NYC)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://themoth.org/">The Moth </a>(the art and craft of storytelling)</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Media coverage</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.ellsworthamerican.com/living/living-entertainment/island-women-to-speak-out-about-their-lives/?fbclid=IwAR3IyJKcTb369BBCvtl5M-qO3Re8jlHiNRdWRJ9rz2MXT9KA3bXWZ0jYd_E">Island women to speak out about their lives</a> (Ellsworth American, Jan. 2019)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="http://islandadvantages.com/news/2018/jan/29/island-women-speak-shares-life-stories-of-eight-lo/#.XO7s99NKgWp">Island Women Speak shares life stories of eight local women</a> (Island AdVantages, Jan. 2018)</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> and share this episode with friends!</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Credits:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Show creator and host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Producer and editor: <a href="https://jercatime.wordpress.com/podcast-producing-services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de">Manuel Senfft</a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Email: thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil </a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Thanks to our sponsors!</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a> Navigating mid-life transitions: Grow Whole, Not Old</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me </a> Rewriting +50 Life</p>
</li>
</ul>
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      <title>Jeff Tidwell on Mid-Life Entrepreneurship and Work With Purpose</title>
      <description><![CDATA[<p>In today's episode, Debbie interviews Jeff Tidwell, a 35-year digital veteran who has worked with big brands like eTrade and WebMD, as well as with numerous startups, on product, community, marketing and user experience strategies. He’s lived and worked in New York, San Francisco and LA. About two years ago, as he approached 60, he began to feel conscious of his age in a youth-oriented industry.</p>
<p>That’s when he got the idea for <a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a>, an online community for those 50+ with a particular interest in meaningful work. Next For Me also sponsors real life events across the country.</p>
<p>There are numerous other online resources that address everything else for this demographic: dating, sex, travel, planning for retirement, etc. Next For Me specifically focuses on post-50 work and purpose.</p>
<p><strong>Mentioned in episode</strong></p>
<p>Jeff's columns for <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/jefftidwell/#ffe8e0e5a095">Forbes.com</a></p>
<p>Jeff on the <a href="http://prepop.com/my-new-company-next-for-me/">launch of Next For Me</a></p>
<p><a href="https://startout.org/growth-lab/">Startout Growth Lab</a> for LGBTQ entrepreneurs</p>
<p><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereklidow/2019/03/05/the-advantages-older-adults-bring-to-first-time-entrepreneurship/#168ac5e644e7">The Advantages Older Adults Bring to First-Time Entrepreneurship</a> by Derek Lidow</p>
<p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> and share this episode with friends!</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Credits:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Show creator and host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Producer and editor: <a href="https://jercatime.wordpress.com/podcast-producing-services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de">Manuel Senfft</a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Email: thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil </a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Thanks to our sponsors!</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a> Navigating mid-life transitions: Grow Whole, Not Old</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me </a> Rewriting +50 Life</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><em>Full disclosure: Next For Me is a sponsor of this podcast.</em></p>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2019 09:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>wordbiz@gmail.com (Debbie Weil)</author>
      <link>https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-8-jeff-tidwell-mid-life-entrepreneur-work-purpose/</link>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In today's episode, Debbie interviews Jeff Tidwell, a 35-year digital veteran who has worked with big brands like eTrade and WebMD, as well as with numerous startups, on product, community, marketing and user experience strategies. He’s lived and worked in New York, San Francisco and LA. About two years ago, as he approached 60, he began to feel conscious of his age in a youth-oriented industry.</p>
<p>That’s when he got the idea for <a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me</a>, an online community for those 50+ with a particular interest in meaningful work. Next For Me also sponsors real life events across the country.</p>
<p>There are numerous other online resources that address everything else for this demographic: dating, sex, travel, planning for retirement, etc. Next For Me specifically focuses on post-50 work and purpose.</p>
<p><strong>Mentioned in episode</strong></p>
<p>Jeff's columns for <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/jefftidwell/#ffe8e0e5a095">Forbes.com</a></p>
<p>Jeff on the <a href="http://prepop.com/my-new-company-next-for-me/">launch of Next For Me</a></p>
<p><a href="https://startout.org/growth-lab/">Startout Growth Lab</a> for LGBTQ entrepreneurs</p>
<p><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereklidow/2019/03/05/the-advantages-older-adults-bring-to-first-time-entrepreneurship/#168ac5e644e7">The Advantages Older Adults Bring to First-Time Entrepreneurship</a> by Derek Lidow</p>
<p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> and share this episode with friends!</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Credits:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Show creator and host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Producer and editor: <a href="https://jercatime.wordpress.com/podcast-producing-services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de">Manuel Senfft</a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Email: thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil </a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Thanks to our sponsors!</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a> Navigating mid-life transitions: Grow Whole, Not Old</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me </a> Rewriting +50 Life</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><em>Full disclosure: Next For Me is a sponsor of this podcast.</em></p>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s episode is Part 2 of our broadcast from Chip Conley’s Modern Elder Academy, the world's first <em>wisdom school</em>, located at the southernmost tip of Baja California, Mexico. Debbie spent a week at this magical place recently, along with a group of 17 other compadres. Her cohort ranged in age from 42 to 78. All were there to learn how to become a modern elder - someone who reframes a lifetime of experience in order to repurpose it for something new. A new direction, a new purpose, a reinvention.</p>
<p>In this episode, Debbie interviews four of her  compadres, representing four mid-life decades from 40s to 70s.</p>
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<p><strong>Jose Beltran</strong>, 42, is an entrepreneur who has just embarked on a gap year after selling his restaurant in Mexico City.</p>
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<li>
<p><strong>Nicolás Dumit Estévez Raful Espejo</strong>, 52, is a performance artist based in the Bronx who wants a change including a move to another (warmer) part of the country.</p>
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<li>
<p><strong>Paul Gilbert</strong>, 64, is a veteran executive producer, creative director and writer in San Francisco with a list of big name clients. He says it's time for a change.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong>Frances Valesco</strong>, 78, is a well-known artist, printmaker and teacher, also based in San Francisco. Recently widowed and with a short runway (her words) ahead of her, she is ready for new adventures.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Mentioned:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/chip-conley-growing-wise-at-modern-elder-academy/">Debbie's interview with Chip Conley</a> (Episode 6 of the podcast)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://tim.blog/tim-ferriss-books/">Tribe of Mentors </a>by Tim Ferriss</p>
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<li>
<p><a href="http://lindamarymontano.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-art-of-collaborating-and.html">Performance artist Linda Mary Montano</a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>More about this episode's guests</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jobeltran/?originalSubdomain=mx">Jose Beltran</a> (LinkedIn)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.elmuseo.org/office-hours/">Nicolás Dumit Estévez Raful Espejo</a> (About Nicolás)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/2255paulgilbert/">Paul Gilbert</a> (LinkedIn)</p>
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<li>
<p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/Frances-Valesco-Arts-695027667248748/">Frances Valesco</a> (Frances Valesco Arts)</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Photos</strong>:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><em>Paul Gilbert, at left; Frances Valesco, at right.</em></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><em>Jose Beltran</em></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><em>Nicolás Dumit Estévez Raful Espejo (peeking around tree)</em></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> and share this episode with friends!</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Credits:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Show creator and host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Producer and editor: <a href="https://jercatime.wordpress.com/podcast-producing-services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de">Manuel Senfft</a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Email: thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil </a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Thanks to our sponsors!</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a> Navigating mid-life transitions: Grow Whole, Not Old</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me </a> Rewriting +50 Life</p>
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<p>In this episode, Debbie interviews four of her  compadres, representing four mid-life decades from 40s to 70s.</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><strong>Jose Beltran</strong>, 42, is an entrepreneur who has just embarked on a gap year after selling his restaurant in Mexico City.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong>Nicolás Dumit Estévez Raful Espejo</strong>, 52, is a performance artist based in the Bronx who wants a change including a move to another (warmer) part of the country.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong>Paul Gilbert</strong>, 64, is a veteran executive producer, creative director and writer in San Francisco with a list of big name clients. He says it's time for a change.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong>Frances Valesco</strong>, 78, is a well-known artist, printmaker and teacher, also based in San Francisco. Recently widowed and with a short runway (her words) ahead of her, she is ready for new adventures.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Mentioned:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/chip-conley-growing-wise-at-modern-elder-academy/">Debbie's interview with Chip Conley</a> (Episode 6 of the podcast)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://tim.blog/tim-ferriss-books/">Tribe of Mentors </a>by Tim Ferriss</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="http://lindamarymontano.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-art-of-collaborating-and.html">Performance artist Linda Mary Montano</a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>More about this episode's guests</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jobeltran/?originalSubdomain=mx">Jose Beltran</a> (LinkedIn)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.elmuseo.org/office-hours/">Nicolás Dumit Estévez Raful Espejo</a> (About Nicolás)</p>
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<li>
<p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/2255paulgilbert/">Paul Gilbert</a> (LinkedIn)</p>
</li>
<li>
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<p><strong>Photos</strong>:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><em>Paul Gilbert, at left; Frances Valesco, at right.</em></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><em>Jose Beltran</em></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><em>Nicolás Dumit Estévez Raful Espejo (peeking around tree)</em></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> and share this episode with friends!</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Credits:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Show creator and host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Producer and editor: <a href="https://jercatime.wordpress.com/podcast-producing-services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de">Manuel Senfft</a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Email: thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil </a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Thanks to our sponsors!</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a> Navigating mid-life transitions: Grow Whole, Not Old</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me </a> Rewriting +50 Life</p>
</li>
</ul>
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<p><strong>Mentioned in Episode</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Wisdom-Work-Making-Modern-Elder/dp/0525572902/">Wisdom @ Work: the Making of a Modern Elder</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/chipconleysf/detail/recent-activity/posts/">Chip's mid-life transition articles on LinkedIn</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="http://seniornomads.com/">Debbie and Michael Campbell: the Senior Nomads</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.latimes.com/travel/mexico/la-tr-travel-baja-mexico-elder-academy-20190414-story.html">At this Baja school, post-50-year-olds learn to grow whole, not old </a>(LA Times)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/04/technology/modern-elder-resort-silicon-valley-ageism.html">A New Luxury Retreat Caters to Elderly Workers in Tech (30 and Up)</a> (NYTimes)</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>Note: the NYT article didn't get the story quite right. MEA is for more than tech workers and it's not just a luxury retreat; it's for those 35 to 75 seeking a next step.</p>
<p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> and share this episode with friends!</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Credits:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Show creator and host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Producer/editor: <a href="https://jercatime.wordpress.com/podcast-producing-services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de">Manuel Senfft</a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Email: thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil </a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Thanks to our sponsors!</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a> Navigating mid-life transitions: Grow Whole, Not Old</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me </a> Rewriting +50 Life</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><em>Full disclosure: Modern Elder Academy is a sponsor of this podcast.</em></p>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 19 Apr 2019 09:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>wordbiz@gmail.com (Debbie Weil)</author>
      <link>https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/chip-conley-growing-wise-at-modern-elder-academy/</link>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debbie interviews Chip Conley, New York Times best-selling author, rebel hospitality entrepreneur and now a rock star of the mid-life transition movement. After selling Joie de Vivre Hospitality, the second largest boutique hotel brand in the U.S., Chip was invited at age 52 to work for AirBnB as an advisor to the young founders. He soon found himself to be both mentor and intern; the result was his newest book, &quot;Wisdom @ Work, The Making of a Modern Elder.&quot; In January 2018, Chip founded Modern Elder Academy, the world's first mid-life wisdom school, in Baja California, Mexico. Together they talk about MEA's mission, which is to help mid-lifers mine their mastery, repurpose it and reset their mindset for the second half or third third of their life. They also talk about the experience of attending MEA where Debbie spent a week as a student and where she interviews Chip with waves pounding in the background.</p>
<p><strong>Mentioned in Episode</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://chipconley.com/">Chip Conley</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Wisdom-Work-Making-Modern-Elder/dp/0525572902/">Wisdom @ Work: the Making of a Modern Elder</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/chipconleysf/detail/recent-activity/posts/">Chip's mid-life transition articles on LinkedIn</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="http://seniornomads.com/">Debbie and Michael Campbell: the Senior Nomads</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.latimes.com/travel/mexico/la-tr-travel-baja-mexico-elder-academy-20190414-story.html">At this Baja school, post-50-year-olds learn to grow whole, not old </a>(LA Times)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/04/technology/modern-elder-resort-silicon-valley-ageism.html">A New Luxury Retreat Caters to Elderly Workers in Tech (30 and Up)</a> (NYTimes)</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>Note: the NYT article didn't get the story quite right. MEA is for more than tech workers and it's not just a luxury retreat; it's for those 35 to 75 seeking a next step.</p>
<p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> and share this episode with friends!</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Credits:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Show creator and host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Producer/editor: <a href="https://jercatime.wordpress.com/podcast-producing-services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de">Manuel Senfft</a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Email: thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil </a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Thanks to our sponsors!</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a> Navigating mid-life transitions: Grow Whole, Not Old</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me </a> Rewriting +50 Life</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><em>Full disclosure: Modern Elder Academy is a sponsor of this podcast.</em></p>
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<p>A practicing physician in D.C. for 31 years, he realized he had deep knowledge and a strong point of view about how the elderly should make decisions at the end of life. The result is AT PEACE: Choosing a Good Death After a Long Life (Hachette 2018). Debbie is a nonfiction writing coach and editor and she asks Sam the tough questions about writing his book.</p>
<p>This episode will be of interest to anyone who has A BOOK on their bucket list - lots of practical tips and truth-telling.</p>
<p><strong>Mentioned in the episode:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="http://gapyearaftersixty.com">Gap Year After Sixty</a>: Debbie and Sam's gap year blog (where the book began)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/At-Peace-Choosing-Death-After/dp/1478917415">AT PEACE: Choosing a Good Death After a Long Life</a> by Samuel Harrington (Hachette 2018)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://samharrington.com/introduction-excerpt/">Read the Introduction</a> to Sam's book</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Interview: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/sam-harrington-doctor-author-choosing-good-death/">The inside story: from stomach doctor to first-time author</a> by Debbie Weil</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Sam's twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/gapyearsam">@gapyearsam</a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Other end-of-life books</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Being-Mortal-Medicine-What-Matters/dp/0805095152/">Being Mortal: Medicine and What Matters in the End </a>by Atul Gawande</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Knocking-Heavens-Door-Better-Death/dp/1451641974/">Knocking on Heaven's Door</a> by Katy Butler</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-We-Die-Reflections-Chapter/dp/0679742441/">How We Die </a>by Sherwin B. Nuland</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> and share this episode with friends!</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Credits:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Show creator and host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Producer/editor: <a href="https://jercatime.wordpress.com/podcast-producing-services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de">Manuel Senfft</a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Email: thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil </a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Thanks to our sponsors!</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a> Navigating mid-life transitions: Grow Whole, Not Old</p>
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<p><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me </a> Rewriting +50 Life</p>
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<p>A practicing physician in D.C. for 31 years, he realized he had deep knowledge and a strong point of view about how the elderly should make decisions at the end of life. The result is AT PEACE: Choosing a Good Death After a Long Life (Hachette 2018). Debbie is a nonfiction writing coach and editor and she asks Sam the tough questions about writing his book.</p>
<p>This episode will be of interest to anyone who has A BOOK on their bucket list - lots of practical tips and truth-telling.</p>
<p><strong>Mentioned in the episode:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="http://gapyearaftersixty.com">Gap Year After Sixty</a>: Debbie and Sam's gap year blog (where the book began)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/At-Peace-Choosing-Death-After/dp/1478917415">AT PEACE: Choosing a Good Death After a Long Life</a> by Samuel Harrington (Hachette 2018)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://samharrington.com/introduction-excerpt/">Read the Introduction</a> to Sam's book</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Interview: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/blog/sam-harrington-doctor-author-choosing-good-death/">The inside story: from stomach doctor to first-time author</a> by Debbie Weil</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Sam's twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/gapyearsam">@gapyearsam</a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Other end-of-life books</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Being-Mortal-Medicine-What-Matters/dp/0805095152/">Being Mortal: Medicine and What Matters in the End </a>by Atul Gawande</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Knocking-Heavens-Door-Better-Death/dp/1451641974/">Knocking on Heaven's Door</a> by Katy Butler</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-We-Die-Reflections-Chapter/dp/0679742441/">How We Die </a>by Sherwin B. Nuland</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> and share this episode with friends!</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Credits:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Show creator and host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Producer/editor: <a href="https://jercatime.wordpress.com/podcast-producing-services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de">Manuel Senfft</a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Email: thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil </a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Thanks to our sponsors!</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a> Navigating mid-life transitions: Grow Whole, Not Old</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me </a> Rewriting +50 Life</p>
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<p><strong>Mentioned in the episode</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Taking-Work-Out-Networking-Connections/dp/1501199277">Taking the Work Out of Networking: An Introvert's Guide to Making Connections That Count</a> by Karen Wickre (Simon and Schuster, 2018)</p>
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<li>
<p><a href="https://www.wired.com/story/surviving-as-an-old-in-the-tech-world/">Surviving as an Old in the Tech World </a>by Karen Wickre (Wired.com, Aug. 2017)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/kvox">@kvox</a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> and share this episode with friends!</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Credits:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Show creator and host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Producer/editor: <a href="https://jercatime.wordpress.com/podcast-producing-services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de">Manuel Senfft</a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Email: thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil </a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Thanks to our sponsors!</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a> Navigating mid-life transitions: Grow Whole, Not Old</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me </a> Rewriting +50 Life</p>
</li>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2019 11:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>wordbiz@gmail.com (Debbie Weil)</author>
      <link>https://debbieweil.com/blog/podcasts/episode-4-karen-wickre-what-you-need-to-know-about-networking-to-reinvent-your-life/</link>
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<p><strong>Mentioned in the episode</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Taking-Work-Out-Networking-Connections/dp/1501199277">Taking the Work Out of Networking: An Introvert's Guide to Making Connections That Count</a> by Karen Wickre (Simon and Schuster, 2018)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://www.wired.com/story/surviving-as-an-old-in-the-tech-world/">Surviving as an Old in the Tech World </a>by Karen Wickre (Wired.com, Aug. 2017)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/kvox">@kvox</a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Support this podcast:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Leave a review on iTunes</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="http://debbieweil.com/podcast">Subscribe</a> and share this episode with friends!</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Credits:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Show creator and host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Producer/editor: <a href="https://jercatime.wordpress.com/podcast-producing-services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p><a href="https://debbieweil.com/podcast/">Podcast website</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Music by <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de">Manuel Senfft</a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Connect with us:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Email: thegapyearpodcast@gmail.com</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/debbieweil">@debbieweil</a></p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Insta: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/debbieweil/">@debbieweil </a></p>
</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Thanks to our sponsors!</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>
<p><a href="https://chipconley.com/modern-elder-academy">Modern Elder Academy</a> Navigating mid-life transitions: Grow Whole, Not Old</p>
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<li>
<p><a href="https://nextforme.com/">Next For Me </a> Rewriting +50 Life</p>
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<p><strong>Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://www.thefaroutpodcast.com">Alasdair and JR's podcast </a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.alasdairplambeck.com">Alasdair's blog</a></p>
<p>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></p>
<p>Producer: <a href="https://jercatime.wordpress.com/podcast-producing-services/">JR Krikorian</a></p>
<p>Sponsor: <a href="http://nextforme.com">Next For Me</a></p>
<p>Music: <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de">Manuel Senfft</a></p>
<p><a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Subscribe on iTunes</a></p>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 8 Mar 2019 13:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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<p><strong>Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://www.thefaroutpodcast.com">Alasdair and JR's podcast </a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.alasdairplambeck.com">Alasdair's blog</a></p>
<p>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></p>
<p>Producer: <a href="https://jercatime.wordpress.com/podcast-producing-services/">JR Krikorian</a></p>
<p>Sponsor: <a href="http://nextforme.com">Next For Me</a></p>
<p>Music: <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de">Manuel Senfft</a></p>
<p><a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Subscribe on iTunes</a></p>
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<p><strong>Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p>
<p>[Gap Year After Sixty] <a href="http://gapyearaftersixty.com/">1</a> blog</p>
<p>Debbie’s husband and gap year co-conspirator: <a href="https://samharrington.com/">Sam Harrington</a></p>
<p>Sam's book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/At-Peace-Choosing-Death-After/dp/1478917415/">AT PEACE: Choosing a Good Death After a Long Life</a></p>
<p>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></p>
<p>Producer: <a href="https://jercatime.wordpress.com/podcast-producing-services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></p>
<p>Music: <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de">Manuel Senfft</a></p>
<p><a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Subscribe on iTunes</a></p>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2019 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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<p><strong>Mentioned in this episode:</strong></p>
<p>[Gap Year After Sixty] <a href="http://gapyearaftersixty.com/">1</a> blog</p>
<p>Debbie’s husband and gap year co-conspirator: <a href="https://samharrington.com/">Sam Harrington</a></p>
<p>Sam's book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/At-Peace-Choosing-Death-After/dp/1478917415/">AT PEACE: Choosing a Good Death After a Long Life</a></p>
<p>Host: <a href="https://debbieweil.com/about/">Debbie Weil</a></p>
<p>Producer: <a href="https://jercatime.wordpress.com/podcast-producing-services/">Julie-Roxane Krikorian</a></p>
<p>Music: <a href="http://www.tagirijus.de">Manuel Senfft</a></p>
<p><a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gap-year-for-grown-ups/id1449776332">Subscribe on iTunes</a></p>
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