After years of watching his people get failed by the very organisations claiming to represent them, Shubz decided enough was enough. What started as live streams on TikTok has turned into a full-frontal assault on iwi elites, unaccountable millions in Treaty settlements, and the “you’re not Māori enough” gatekeeping that shuts down anyone who steps out of line. 

In this wide-ranging conversation they cover: 
- His grandmother’s influence and growing up around politics 
-  Why so many Māori are still conditioned to believe Labour is the only option
- The “waste of Māori blood” attack on Winston Peters and what it really reveals
- The disconnect between the loud activist class and ordinary Māori on the ground
- How Alfred Ngaro’s story convinced him National wasn’t the enemy he’d been told

 00:00 – Welcome & Cigar Review (Perdomo Legacy Connecticut Grand Belicoso) 
03:40 – Introducing Shubz 
06:30 – How Shubz went from live streamer to poking the Māori elite 
11:20 – “You’ve come out of nowhere and caused a fair bit of ruckus” 
15:50 – Growing up around politics, seeing the hypocrisy first-hand 
22:10 – Grandmother’s influence and standing up for the people 
28:40 – The “waste of Māori blood” comment to Winston Peters 
34:50 – Alfred Ngaro’s story and being told he was “in the wrong party” 
41:30 – Why Labour is still pushed as the only option for Māori 
48:15 – Iwi elites, funding that never filters down, and real injustice 
55:40 – The disconnect between activist class and ordinary Māori 
1:02:00 – Final thoughts and where this goes from here

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Former journalist and political insider Nathan Smith joins Cam Slater to pull back the curtain on how the machinery of power actually works. From the "Tyrannosaurus" media narrative that fuels public cancellations to the concept of "Love Speech"—the unregulated PR manipulation that runs our newsfeeds—this is a masterclass in seeing through the establishment's funhouse mirror.

We also go global: Why the "Iran is winning" narrative is a fantasy, how the Middle East conflict is actually a proxy for China's energy security, and the "Permanent Government" of bureaucrats who wait out elected politicians.

Featuring Dunbarton Dondurma cigars from Canteros.nz (http://canteros.nz/).

00:00 - Cigar Review & Introduction

01:12 - The Cancellation Story: Tyrannosaurus vs Lizard

06:14 - Behind the Curtain: Business & Politics

10:07 - The Tyrannosaurus Machine: Puppet Masters

17:08 - Love Speech vs. Hate Speech: The PR Game

28:30 - The Shadow Map of NZ Politics

32:41 - Middle East Reality Check: Iran & Israel

42:58 - The China Play: Oil, Resources, and Proxy Wars

53:42 - Military Capability: US Dominance & Grey Zones

01:04:12 - The Expert Problem: Credentialism & "Beijing Bob"

01:13:08 - The Permanent Government: Bureaucracy vs Voters

01:21:58 - Local Politics Reality Check: Luxon & The Machine

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Ngaro provides a rare insider's perspective on the shift from the "Old School" politics of John Key and Winston Peters to the "Managerial" era of Christopher Luxon and the "Performative" era of Jacinda Ardern.

Chapters: 
00:00 — Cigar Review & Introductions
02:10 — Alfred's Journey: From National MP to the "Wave of Red" 
04:10 — The "Uninspiring" Prayer: How Alfred caught John Key's eye 
08:40 — The "Labour Tattoo": Dismantling the Pasifika-Labour Monolith 
13:40 — Cultural Capital: Moving from state dependency to transactions 
16:20 — "No White Knights": The grandmother's wisdom on opportunity 
18:40 — Entrepreneurship in Decile 1 Schools: Breaking the factory mindset 
20:40 — The Israeli Model: Why existential pressure drives innovation 
25:20 — The "Feminization" of Education: From woodwork to "technology blocks" 
31:00 — The Visionaries: Why Winston Peters is the consistent outlier 
42:30 — The Flag Referendum: Where John Key lost his confidence 
52:00 — The "Performative" PM: Deconstructing Jacinda Ardern's brand 
57:00 — The Deal that Wasn't: Why Bill English failed Winston Peters 
1:01:00 — The "Sloppy" Leader: A critique of Christopher Luxon's style 
1:13:00 — The "Wombles" of the Opportunities Party: Why small parties fail 
1:16:00 — The Compassionate Side of Winston Peters

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Passionate, articulate, and politically sharp, Eeryk tackles government overreach, the rise of young voices in online political discourse, and the state of modern debate.

He’s critical of the left without drifting to the far-right, bringing a fair, intelligent perspective to a fast-moving conversation that covers politics, culture, and the changing shape of public discussion.

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Nathan is a Christian advocate for free speech, civil liberties, and rights to privacy, and a strong believer in a public square that is moderate, reasonable, and transparent.

He unpacks why values matter, what is at stake when they are weakened, and why defending them matters for every New Zealander.

A thoughtful conversation with a few hard truths, and two impressive beards at the table.

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She’s a criminal defence lawyer and Free Speech Union member, who was arrested at a November 2023 anti-Israel protest.

An investigation later found the arrest was unlawful, and Lucy is now taking legal action. 

She recounts what happened and why her case matters, as a warning about policing, protest rights, and free expression in New Zealand.

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The Orcon founder turned Voyager boss says he’s got a busy mind, and the conversation moves fast, from hard-earned founder lessons, to a full-tilt look at what’s coming next.

Seeby admits “the world is a scary place”, then dives into power, privacy, security, and the next generation of AI agents: Clawdbot and OpenClaw.

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As New Zealand debates the next stage of gun reforms, the conversation turns sharp. Hugh argues licensed owners are too often blamed, and pushes back hard.

Media-seasoned, intelligent and mission-focused. He and Cam don’t dodge the tough questions for gun owners nationwide.

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And things get heated fast.

In one of Cam’s most explosive conversations yet, Matt fires off blistering allegations about Labour MP Willie Jackson, the Jackson whānau’s influence, and the power dynamics surrounding the Manukau Urban Māori Authority (MUMA).

Matt has spent decades in the trenches of New Zealand politics, fighting for low-paid workers on Struggle Street, pushing for cultural change where it counts, and navigating storms most New Zealanders never see.

He’s blunt. He’s battle-tested. And he absolutely doesn’t duck the hard punches.

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Geoff has spent years waging a one-man war on crumbling roads, bureaucratic inertia, and the maddening gap between what officials promise and what actually gets fixed.

He’s famous for spray-painting giant phalluses around Auckland potholes when the council wouldn’t listen.

In this unfiltered conversation, he breaks down the state of New Zealand’s infrastructure, the perverse incentives that keep repairs slow, and why ordinary people are increasingly forced to take matters into their own hands.

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After two decades working overseas, she returned home to a country she’s increasingly disappointed in: more anxious, more censorious, and edging toward the same pitfalls she’s seen swallow other Western nations.

Jillaine unpacks regulatory overreach, cultural fragility, suppression, and why open debate matters now more than ever.

Clear-eyed and unflinching, she lays out what’s coming if New Zealand isn’t careful.

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From livestreaming protests to challenging mainstream narratives, Simon has built a loyal following by showing what others won’t.

He shares his journey to becoming a frontline storyteller, why he mistrusts legacy media and why he thinks police corruption is rampant.

It’s a sharp look into truth and disruption in New Zealand.

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In an emotional discussion, he opens up about his rise through local and national politics, the explosive fallout with his party and its leader, and the controversies that reshaped his career.

Jami-Lee also reflects on life after Parliament, from fringe politics to business ventures few saw coming, and why he’s reinvented himself.

With unflinching candour, he unpacks power, downfall, and survival in the ruthless world of New Zealand politics.

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For more than 30 years, Grant has been importing premium brands and building Canteros into one of New Zealand’s most respected tobacconists.

He talks about the hurdles of running a cigar business in a tightly regulated industry, busts a few myths about smoking, and makes the case for why the ritual of a fine cigar still matters in the 21st century.

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She argues that good governance and accountability are critical as the next election approaches, warning how governments, academics, and media shape and control public opinion.

Kathryn also explores the geopolitical chessboard, outlining the nations now in the cross-hairs of the US, Russia, China, and Europe.

With sharp insight, she reveals what these power plays mean for democracy, global stability, and our collective future.

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He takes an unflinching look at his legal battles, including the explosive Gloriavale case.

Brian isn’t just taking on the secretive religious community, he’s staring down the government itself.

This is more than a courtroom fight. It’s a reckoning.

He exposes a system that looked the other way, and asks bluntly: “Prime Minister, what are you doing?”

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She and her husband thought clearing their Titirangi property would be simple.

They were wrong.

What happened next sparked outrage, headlines, and a 10-year battle with neighbours and protesters they never saw coming.

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As you’d expect, he’s one of the sharpest minds in the country when it comes to government accountability.

He’s made a career out of asking uncomfortable questions and demanding straight answers. Never shy of a fight, he’s a lightning rod for debate on transparency, wasteful spending, and the size and power of the government.

He and Cam discuss bureaucratic bloat, freedom of speech and why democracy needs defending now more than ever.

Jordan also turns the mic on Cam to ask: what’s with the endless black t-shirts?

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Ash speaks candidly about politics, immigration, crime, culture, and common sense.

A firm believer in hard work, personal responsibility and traditional values, Ash is giving everyday people a voice in the national conversation.

His views are raw, real, and refreshingly grounded in the reality of working-class New Zealand.

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Corina doesn’t just see politics as broken, she sees the whole system cracking. From the cycle of abuse that traps families, to the top-down agendas that ignore everyday Kiwis, she’s calling time on the nonsense.

With a backbone of steel, Corina opens up about walking away from an MP candidacy, the fading heat of the gender debate, and her strategy for shutting down online trolls without losing her soul.

It’s not about left or right, it’s about truth, dignity, and a system reset from the ground up. Raw and ready for a fight.

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Raised in the Kingitanga movement and shaped by frontline service, Lee’s career has spanned armed security, law enforcement, and senior leadership roles in education, science, and economics.

One of the most qualified Maori voices in politics, he argues the need for a single constitution, lifting living standards, and why Unite NZ is pushing for a bold, values-driven reset of politics and culture.

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A lifelong man of the Left, Chris isn’t afraid to call out the contradictions within his own side, or anyone else’s.

From union halls to newsroom columns, he’s spent decades in the trenches of New Zealand’s political debate, and he’s never been one to bite his tongue.

In this episode, Chris opens up about the state of the Left, the erosion of democratic institutions, and what’s really driving the culture wars.

He’s sharp, provocative, and rooted in conviction.

In episode nine of The Good Oil Podcast, Cam sits down with veteran political commentator Chris Trotter.

A staunch voice on the Left, Chris doesn’t shy from calling out hypocrisy, wherever it shows up.

He talks class politics, cultural divides, and why the Left risks losing its soul.

Sharp, provocative, and rooted in conviction.

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Once a seminarian, Simon was one of the few politicians willing to say what many are thinking.

Over a decade in Parliament, Simon built a reputation for going against the grain — unapologetically pro-life, pro-free speech, and sceptical of the creeping influence of identity politics.

In this episode, he talks candidly about modern politics, why he stood firm during Covid when others folded, the importance of Israel, and what he sees as the moral crossroads facing New Zealand today.

It’s honest, raw, and refreshingly unfiltered.

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From his beginnings in Te Awamutu to his rise as one of the country's most controversial figures, Cam discovers the man behind the headlines.

They tackle the hot-button topics: gender wars, religion, what the future holds for New Zealand, and a program close to his heart: Man Up.

A free-flowing, thought-provoking discussion you won’t want to miss!

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Anna zeroes in on the crucial role of media and government throughout the pandemic.

She’s a fierce advocate for integrity, free speech, and ethical standards, challenging the influence of government funding on mainstream media and highlighting the suppression of dissenting voices and the lack of independent journalism.

It’s a conversation that pulls no punches and demands attention.

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Her doctoral research focused on Zionism, and she's the co-founder of the Holocaust and Antisemitism Foundation, Indigenous Embassy Jerusalem, and Indigenous Coalition for Israel. Sheree doesn’t hold back.

Intelligent, principled, and unafraid to speak plainly, she offers a clear-eyed take on history, identity and truth-telling.

This is a conversation that challenges assumptions and addresses some of the most complex issues of our time.

Sheree's articles about Settler Colonialism:

Settler Colonialism, Indigeneity and Activist Purity Laws

Incongruous and Ill-Conceived: Israel as Settler Colonialism

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Penny Marie's video 'Sex Education Experts?' She raises questions about Tabby Besley's InsideOut and Tracy Clelland who developed 'Beyond the Birds and Bees' app: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lpl78M1ojU

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