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    <description>Out of Order is a German Marshall Fund podcast about how our world was, is, and will be ordered.

 From the way the pandemic is shaping geopolitics; to the dark side of tech for democracy; to the political movements, elections and uprisings changing global governance; the podcast brings together international experts from inside and outside of GMF to help us understand our disordered world.

In addition to Out of Order episodes, GMF also produces topical mini-series including Post-Pandemic Order and Frontlines of Democracy. All of GMF’s podcast content, along with audio from select special events, can be found in the Out of Order stream. 

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    <itunes:summary>Out of Order is a German Marshall Fund podcast about how our world was, is, and will be ordered.

 From the way the pandemic is shaping geopolitics; to the dark side of tech for democracy; to the political movements, elections and uprisings changing global governance; the podcast brings together international experts from inside and outside of GMF to help us understand our disordered world.

In addition to Out of Order episodes, GMF also produces topical mini-series including Post-Pandemic Order and Frontlines of Democracy. All of GMF’s podcast content, along with audio from select special events, can be found in the Out of Order stream. 

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      <description><![CDATA[In this “Transatlantic Takeaway” episode, hosts Soraya Sarhaddi Nelson and Rachel Tausendfreund dissect sweeping new EU digital laws and their impact on large tech companies, start-ups and users with guests: Constance Chucholowski, founder and managing director at Candid Public Affairs; Travis Todd, co-founder of Silicon Allee; and Julia Trehu, program manager and Fellow with the German Marshall Fund’s Digital Innovation and Democracy Initiative.

This show was produced by Dina Elsayed. 

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Host Soraya Sarhaddi Nelson explores the new German tack and its ramifications with Rachel Tausendfreund, editorial director for the German Marshall Fund and co-host of Transatlantic Takeaway, and Heiner Brauß, Senior Associate Fellow at the German Council on Foreign Relations (DGAP) in its security and defense program. He was a lieutenant general in the Bundeswehr and is a former assistant secretary general for NATO defense policy and force planning. We also hear from Col. André Wüstner, chairman of the German Armed Forces Association. 

This show was produced by Dina Elsayed and Abigail Megginson. 

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This show was produced by Dina Elsayed and Abigail Megginson. 
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Host Soraya Sarhaddi Nelson explores the new German tack and its ramifications with Rachel Tausendfreund, editorial director for the German Marshall Fund and co-host of Transatlantic Takeaway, and Heiner Brauß, Senior Associate Fellow at the German Council on Foreign Relations (DGAP) in its security and defense program. He was a lieutenant general in the Bundeswehr and is a former assistant secretary general for NATO defense policy and force planning. We also hear from Col. André Wüstner, chairman of the German Armed Forces Association. 

This show was produced by Dina Elsayed and Abigail Megginson. 
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- Michal Baranowski, senior fellow and director of the GMF office in Warsaw.
- Gesine Dornblueth, co-author of “Ruhmlose Helden,” a book on a plane crash that changed German-Russian relations. She is a former Moscow correspondent for Deutschlandradio.
- Liana Fix, program director for international affairs at the Körber Foundation in Berlin.
- Joerg Forbrig, senior fellow and director for Central Eastern Europe at the GMF office in Berlin.

This show was produced by Dina Elsayed.

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- Gesine Dornblueth, co-author of “Ruhmlose Helden,” a book on a plane crash that changed German-Russian relations. She is a former Moscow correspondent for Deutschlandradio.
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This show was produced by Dina Elsayed.
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- Michal Baranowski, senior fellow and director of the GMF office in Warsaw.
- Gesine Dornblueth, co-author of “Ruhmlose Helden,” a book on a plane crash that changed German-Russian relations. She is a former Moscow correspondent for Deutschlandradio.
- Liana Fix, program director for international affairs at the Körber Foundation in Berlin.
- Joerg Forbrig, senior fellow and director for Central Eastern Europe at the GMF office in Berlin.

This show was produced by Dina Elsayed.
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      <description><![CDATA[Although a record turnout is expected on Nov. 8th, opinion surveys show many Americans no longer trust U.S. elections nor their government. Many Republican voters still embrace the “Big Lie” that President Trump had the 2020 election stolen from him. So what does the growing mistrust, President Joe Biden’s low ratings and the worst inflation in four decades mean for the midterm elections and American democracy in general?

In this episode of Transatlantic Takeaway by Common Ground Berlin and the German Marshall Fund of the United States, host Soraya Sarhaddi Nelson explores the controversial elections with:

Sudha David-Wilp, GMF’s Senior Transatlantic Fellow and deputy director of the Berlin office.

Jeremy Shapiro, research director at the European Council on Foreign Relations and a former advisor to the State Department during the Obama administration.

Anna Sauerbrey, foreign editor of the weekly Die Zeit and a contributor to the New York Times op-ed section.

Produced by Dina Elsayed. 
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In this episode of Transatlantic Takeaway by Common Ground Berlin and the German Marshall Fund of the United States, host Soraya Sarhaddi Nelson explores the controversial elections with:

Sudha David-Wilp, GMF’s Senior Transatlantic Fellow and deputy director of the Berlin office.

Jeremy Shapiro, research director at the European Council on Foreign Relations and a former advisor to the State Department during the Obama administration.

Anna Sauerbrey, foreign editor of the weekly Die Zeit and a contributor to the New York Times op-ed section.

Produced by Dina Elsayed. </itunes:summary>
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In this episode of Transatlantic Takeaway by Common Ground Berlin and the German Marshall Fund of the United States, host Soraya Sarhaddi Nelson explores the controversial elections with:

Sudha David-Wilp, GMF’s Senior Transatlantic Fellow and deputy director of the Berlin office.

Jeremy Shapiro, research director at the European Council on Foreign Relations and a former advisor to the State Department during the Obama administration.

Anna Sauerbrey, foreign editor of the weekly Die Zeit and a contributor to the New York Times op-ed section.

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      <description><![CDATA[In this first anniversary episode of Transatlantic Takeaway, a Common Ground Berlin and German Marshall Fund of the United States collaboration, hosts Soraya Sarhaddi Nelson and Rachel Tausendfreund talk about the sweeping 10-month-long war Russia is waging in Ukraine and its impact on Europe and the United States with Guido Goldman Distinguished Scholar for Geostrategy at GMF, Thomas Kleine-Brockhoff and Michal Baranowski, Managing Director, GMF East.

Is there an end in sight for the war that has killed an estimated 100,000 Ukrainian soldiers, a similar number of Russian soldiers and 40,000 Ukrainian civilians?

Produced by Sylvia Cunningham

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      <author>gmfpress@gmfus.org (Rachel Tausendfreund, Thomas Kleine-Brockhoff, Michal Baranowski, Soraya Sarhaddi Nelson)</author>
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Is there an end in sight for the war that has killed an estimated 100,000 Ukrainian soldiers, a similar number of Russian soldiers and 40,000 Ukrainian civilians?

Produced by Sylvia Cunningham
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Is there an end in sight for the war that has killed an estimated 100,000 Ukrainian soldiers, a similar number of Russian soldiers and 40,000 Ukrainian civilians?

Produced by Sylvia Cunningham
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      <description><![CDATA[German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and his cabinet recently unveiled their country’s long-awaited national security strategy, the first since World War II. Co-hosts Soraya Sarhaddi Nelson and Rachel Tausendfreund explore whether this strategy is groundbreaking as its proponents claim and the impact on Germany’s allies and enemies. This week’s guests are Michal Baranowski, senior fellow and managing director of the German Marshall Fund East, based in Warsaw, and Gesine Weber, a fellow with the German Marshall Fund’s geostrategy team in Paris.

Produced by Dina Elsayed.
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      <pubDate>Thu, 6 Jul 2023 09:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>gmfpress@gmfus.org (Gesine Weber, Rachel Tausendfreund, Soraya Sarhaddi Nelson, Michal Baranowski)</author>
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      <description><![CDATA[In this first Transatlantic Takeaway of the year with co-hosts Soraya Sarhaddi Nelson and Rachel Tausendfreund, German Marshall Fund senior fellow Daniel Hegedus and GMF Paris office director Martin Quencez delve into what we can expect in 2023, including from EU relations with the U.S. and with Russia; from the war in Ukraine, and from the world’s likely next nuclear power, Iran.
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      <description><![CDATA[In this episode of “Transatlantic Takeaway,” hosts Soraya Sarhaddi Nelson and Rachel Tausendfreund delve into how Germany is fodder for the GOP’s campaign strategy for the 2024 elections with guests Majda Ruge, Senior Policy Fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations and Sudha David-Wilp, Senior Transatlantic Fellow at the German Marshall Fund and director of its Berlin office.

Dina Elsayed produced this episode.
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      <pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2023 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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And because this is part of the Marshall75 collection Rachel and Audrey talk about what investments need to be made to ensure a healthier future of an open, democratic Internet, and which partners need to be on board.
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      <pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2022 08:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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      <description><![CDATA[Russia appears ready to invade Ukraine, with the recent deployment of roughly 100,000 Russian troops along their mutual border. 

In this episode of Transatlantic Takeaway — a monthly collaboration between Common Ground and the German Marshall Fund of the United States — Host Soraya Sarhaddi Nelson and her guests discuss the ongoing crisis and its impact on the EU, the United States and Moscow. 

Our experts: 
Rachel Tausendfreund, GMF editorial director in Berlin and host of “Out of Order” podcast;
Liana Fix, GMF Resident Fellow and program director for International Affairs at the Körber-Stiftung;
Michael Kimmage, GMF Non-Resident Fellow and Catholic University history professor who was part of the U.S. Secretary of State’s planning staff from 2014-2016 advising on Russia and Ukraine.
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      <pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2022 19:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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      <itunes:summary>Russia appears ready to invade Ukraine, with the recent deployment of roughly 100,000 Russian troops along their mutual border. 

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Our experts: 
Rachel Tausendfreund, GMF editorial director in Berlin and host of “Out of Order” podcast;
Liana Fix, GMF Resident Fellow and program director for International Affairs at the Körber-Stiftung;
Michael Kimmage, GMF Non-Resident Fellow and Catholic University history professor who was part of the U.S. Secretary of State’s planning staff from 2014-2016 advising on Russia and Ukraine.</itunes:summary>
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In this episode of Transatlantic Takeaway — a monthly collaboration between Common Ground and the German Marshall Fund of the United States — Host Soraya Sarhaddi Nelson and her guests discuss the ongoing crisis and its impact on the EU, the United States and Moscow. 

Our experts: 
Rachel Tausendfreund, GMF editorial director in Berlin and host of “Out of Order” podcast;
Liana Fix, GMF Resident Fellow and program director for International Affairs at the Körber-Stiftung;
Michael Kimmage, GMF Non-Resident Fellow and Catholic University history professor who was part of the U.S. Secretary of State’s planning staff from 2014-2016 advising on Russia and Ukraine.</itunes:subtitle>
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      <description><![CDATA["Watching China in Europe" is a recurring series from the Out of Order team. Hosted by Noah Barkin, a senior visiting fellow at GMF and managing editor at Rhodium Group, WCIE digs into the Europe-China relationship with the people shaping it. 

In this episode, Noah speaks with Sabine Weyand, Director-General for Trade at the European Commission. Ms. Weyand explains what the EU is doing to respond to China's economic retaliation against Lithuania, discusses prospects for reviving the EU-China investment agreement, as well as the outlook for the EU-US Trade and Technology Council and WTO reform.

For more on China in Europe, subscribe to Noah's monthly newsletter at the link below.
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      <pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2021 09:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>gmfpress@gmfus.org (The German Marshall Fund)</author>
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For more on China in Europe, subscribe to Noah&apos;s monthly newsletter at the link below.</itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>&quot;Watching China in Europe&quot; is a recurring series from the Out of Order team. Hosted by Noah Barkin, a senior visiting fellow at GMF and managing editor at Rhodium Group, WCIE digs into the Europe-China relationship with the people shaping it. 

In this episode, Noah speaks with Sabine Weyand, Director-General for Trade at the European Commission. Ms. Weyand explains what the EU is doing to respond to China&apos;s economic retaliation against Lithuania, discusses prospects for reviving the EU-China investment agreement, as well as the outlook for the EU-US Trade and Technology Council and WTO reform.

For more on China in Europe, subscribe to Noah&apos;s monthly newsletter at the link below.</itunes:subtitle>
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      <title>How to Change the World: A New Business Canvas for Purpose Driven Companies</title>
      <description><![CDATA[<p><strong>Links:</strong></p><p>The EU Policy Lab: <a href="https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/eupolicylab/" target="_blank">https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/eupolicylab/</a></p><p>The Social Economy Canvas: <a href="https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/eupolicylab/portfolios/social-economy-canvas/" target="_blank">https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/eupolicylab/portfolios/social-economy-canvas/</a></p><p>We Did Start the Fire—Now System Change Is Inevitable and Irreversible: <a href="https://www.gmfus.org/news/we-did-start-fire-now-system-change-inevitable-and-irreversible" target="_blank">https://www.gmfus.org/news/we-did-start-fire-now-system-change-inevitable-and-irreversible</a></p>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2021 09:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>gmfpress@gmfus.org (Alessandro Rancati, Laura Basagni)</author>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Links:</strong></p><p>The EU Policy Lab: <a href="https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/eupolicylab/" target="_blank">https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/eupolicylab/</a></p><p>The Social Economy Canvas: <a href="https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/eupolicylab/portfolios/social-economy-canvas/" target="_blank">https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/eupolicylab/portfolios/social-economy-canvas/</a></p><p>We Did Start the Fire—Now System Change Is Inevitable and Irreversible: <a href="https://www.gmfus.org/news/we-did-start-fire-now-system-change-inevitable-and-irreversible" target="_blank">https://www.gmfus.org/news/we-did-start-fire-now-system-change-inevitable-and-irreversible</a></p>
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      <description><![CDATA[Climate change. Health care. Education. Debt. These are just a few of the issues being debated today in the halls of power. The results of these debates will have profound consequences for all of us, but perhaps no group will be more affected than the young. With such a clear stake in the outcome, it might be surprising to learn that as a group, young people are less likely to vote and serve in public offices than older generations. 
 
In this podcast, Dr. Christine Huebner of Nottingham Trent University and Scott Warren, co-founder of the preeminent civics education organization Generation Citizen, met with Lauren Burke of GMF Cities to discuss why young people are less engaged in traditional politics, how they are engaging, and the perennial question of whether it is better to effect change from within or force it from the outside. 
 
This discussion was inspired by the work of the Cities Fortifying Democracy project. GMF Cities, with the support of Germany’s Federal Foreign Office, is leading a two-year, transatlantic multi-city cohort to explore and advance city practices in strengthening democracy. The project, called Cities Fortifying Democracy, will examine city innovations in governing, voting & elections, public safety & justice, and local journalism.
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      <pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2021 15:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>gmfpress@gmfus.org (Dr. Christine Huebner, Lauren Burke, Scott Warren)</author>
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      <itunes:summary>Climate change. Health care. Education. Debt. These are just a few of the issues being debated today in the halls of power. The results of these debates will have profound consequences for all of us, but perhaps no group will be more affected than the young. With such a clear stake in the outcome, it might be surprising to learn that as a group, young people are less likely to vote and serve in public offices than older generations. 
 
In this podcast, Dr. Christine Huebner of Nottingham Trent University and Scott Warren, co-founder of the preeminent civics education organization Generation Citizen, met with Lauren Burke of GMF Cities to discuss why young people are less engaged in traditional politics, how they are engaging, and the perennial question of whether it is better to effect change from within or force it from the outside. 
 
This discussion was inspired by the work of the Cities Fortifying Democracy project. GMF Cities, with the support of Germany’s Federal Foreign Office, is leading a two-year, transatlantic multi-city cohort to explore and advance city practices in strengthening democracy. The project, called Cities Fortifying Democracy, will examine city innovations in governing, voting &amp; elections, public safety &amp; justice, and local journalism.</itunes:summary>
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In this podcast, Dr. Christine Huebner of Nottingham Trent University and Scott Warren, co-founder of the preeminent civics education organization Generation Citizen, met with Lauren Burke of GMF Cities to discuss why young people are less engaged in traditional politics, how they are engaging, and the perennial question of whether it is better to effect change from within or force it from the outside. 
 
This discussion was inspired by the work of the Cities Fortifying Democracy project. GMF Cities, with the support of Germany’s Federal Foreign Office, is leading a two-year, transatlantic multi-city cohort to explore and advance city practices in strengthening democracy. The project, called Cities Fortifying Democracy, will examine city innovations in governing, voting &amp; elections, public safety &amp; justice, and local journalism.</itunes:subtitle>
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      <title>Watching China In Europe With German FDP Lawmaker Gyde Jensen</title>
      <description><![CDATA[<p>Click <a href="https://sites-gmf.vuturevx.com/77/6305/forms/subscribetowatchingchina.asp?sid=7ccb8e37-4649-41c5-9efb-4a5bdc9feaba">HERE</a> to subscribe to Noah's "Watching China in Europe" newsletter and read the October edition <a href="https://www.gmfus.org/news/watching-china-europe-october-2021">HERE</a>. </p>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2021 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>gmfpress@gmfus.org (Noah Barkin, Gyde Jensen)</author>
      <link>https://outoforder.simplecast.com/episodes/watching-china-in-europe-with-german-fdp-lawmaker-gyde-jensen-VPykpPKX</link>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Click <a href="https://sites-gmf.vuturevx.com/77/6305/forms/subscribetowatchingchina.asp?sid=7ccb8e37-4649-41c5-9efb-4a5bdc9feaba">HERE</a> to subscribe to Noah's "Watching China in Europe" newsletter and read the October edition <a href="https://www.gmfus.org/news/watching-china-europe-october-2021">HERE</a>. </p>
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      <itunes:title>Watching China In Europe With German FDP Lawmaker Gyde Jensen</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:summary>Watching China in Europe&quot; is a recurring series from the Out of Order team. Hosted by Noah Barkin, a senior visiting fellow at GMF and managing editor at Rhodium Group, WCIE digs into the Europe-China relationship with the people shaping it. 

In this episode, Noah speaks with Gyde Jensen, a member of the German parliament for the Free Democrats (FDP), who are expected to be part of the next German government. Ms. Jensen talks about the hardening of the FDP’s position on China in recent years, the need for a new German and European approach to Taiwan, and her expectation that the FDP and Greens would work closely together to reshape German policy towards China in the post-Merkel era.

New episodes of the &quot;Watching China in Europe&quot; series will be posted to the Out of Order feed every few weeks. For more on China in Europe, subscribe to Noah&apos;s monthly newsletter at the link below.</itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>Watching China in Europe&quot; is a recurring series from the Out of Order team. Hosted by Noah Barkin, a senior visiting fellow at GMF and managing editor at Rhodium Group, WCIE digs into the Europe-China relationship with the people shaping it. 

In this episode, Noah speaks with Gyde Jensen, a member of the German parliament for the Free Democrats (FDP), who are expected to be part of the next German government. Ms. Jensen talks about the hardening of the FDP’s position on China in recent years, the need for a new German and European approach to Taiwan, and her expectation that the FDP and Greens would work closely together to reshape German policy towards China in the post-Merkel era.

New episodes of the &quot;Watching China in Europe&quot; series will be posted to the Out of Order feed every few weeks. For more on China in Europe, subscribe to Noah&apos;s monthly newsletter at the link below.</itunes:subtitle>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Click <a href="https://sites-gmf.vuturevx.com/77/6305/forms/subscribetowatchingchina.asp?sid=7ccb8e37-4649-41c5-9efb-4a5bdc9feaba">HERE</a> to subscribe to Noah's "Watching China in Europe" newsletter and read the October edition <a href="https://www.gmfus.org/news/watching-china-europe-october-2021">HERE</a>. </p>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 5 Oct 2021 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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In this episode, Noah speaks with Maurice Gourdault-Montagne, former French ambassador to China, Germany, the UK and Japan, as well as national security adviser to President Jacques Chirac. Mr. Gourdault-Montagne talks about the “shockwave” that Australia’s submarine deal with the US and UK caused in Paris, French doubts about NATO’s focus on China, and how the German election could affect European policy toward China.

New episodes of the &quot;Watching China in Europe&quot; series will be posted to the Out of Order feed every few weeks. For more on China in Europe, subscribe to Noah&apos;s monthly newsletter at the link below. </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>&quot;Watching China in Europe&quot; is a recurring series from the Out of Order team. Hosted by Noah Barkin, a senior visiting fellow at GMF and managing editor at Rhodium Group, WCIE digs into the China-Europe relationship with the people shaping it. 

In this episode, Noah speaks with Maurice Gourdault-Montagne, former French ambassador to China, Germany, the UK and Japan, as well as national security adviser to President Jacques Chirac. Mr. Gourdault-Montagne talks about the “shockwave” that Australia’s submarine deal with the US and UK caused in Paris, French doubts about NATO’s focus on China, and how the German election could affect European policy toward China.

New episodes of the &quot;Watching China in Europe&quot; series will be posted to the Out of Order feed every few weeks. For more on China in Europe, subscribe to Noah&apos;s monthly newsletter at the link below. </itunes:subtitle>
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Rachel Tausendfreund, GMF’s editorial director based in Berlin talks Germany’s election results, future coalition possibilities, and the implications for the “traffic light” or the “Jamaica” coalition for European and transatlantic priorities with Markus Ziener, GMF’s Helmut Schmidt Fellow, and Peter Sparding, GMF fellow and resident Germany expert.
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Rachel Tausendfreund, GMF’s editorial director based in Berlin talks Germany’s election results, future coalition possibilities, and the implications for the “traffic light” or the “Jamaica” coalition for European and transatlantic priorities with Markus Ziener, GMF’s Helmut Schmidt Fellow, and Peter Sparding, GMF fellow and resident Germany expert.</itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>After 16 years in power, the Christian Democrats without Angela Merkel have reaped historically bad results in Sunday’s election. All the votes have been tallied and the Social Democrats have come out on top, but with only 25.7% of the vote they will need to get both the Greens and the Liberals on board for a coalition. But other coalition options are also in play, including the “Jamaica” coalition that would return the Christian Democrats to the Chancellery. 

Rachel Tausendfreund, GMF’s editorial director based in Berlin talks Germany’s election results, future coalition possibilities, and the implications for the “traffic light” or the “Jamaica” coalition for European and transatlantic priorities with Markus Ziener, GMF’s Helmut Schmidt Fellow, and Peter Sparding, GMF fellow and resident Germany expert.</itunes:subtitle>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2021 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>gmfpress@gmfus.org (Alexandra de Hoop Scheffer, Michal Baranowski, Rachel Tausendfreund, Ozgur Unluhisarcikli, Jonathan D. Katz)</author>
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      <itunes:summary>Just ahead of the 20th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks the United States and its allies have completed their chaotic and ignominious withdrawal from Afghanistan. What does the failure of the nearly 20-year state-building mission mean for the future of transatlantic security cooperation and the debate about European strategic autonomy – and how will instability in Afghanistan affect the EU and Turkey? This and more is covered in this transatlantic take episode of Out of Order. The episode is hosted by Rachel Tausendfreund, editorial director at the German Marshall Fund, based out of Berlin; it features Alexandra de Hoop Scheffer, director of research, transatlantic security, and director of GMF&apos;s Paris office; Michal Baranowski, director of GMF&apos;s Warsaw office; Jonathan D. Katz, senior fellow and director, democracy initiatives, based in Washington D.C.; and Ozgur Unluhisarcikli, director of GMF&apos;s Ankara office.</itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>Just ahead of the 20th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks the United States and its allies have completed their chaotic and ignominious withdrawal from Afghanistan. What does the failure of the nearly 20-year state-building mission mean for the future of transatlantic security cooperation and the debate about European strategic autonomy – and how will instability in Afghanistan affect the EU and Turkey? This and more is covered in this transatlantic take episode of Out of Order. The episode is hosted by Rachel Tausendfreund, editorial director at the German Marshall Fund, based out of Berlin; it features Alexandra de Hoop Scheffer, director of research, transatlantic security, and director of GMF&apos;s Paris office; Michal Baranowski, director of GMF&apos;s Warsaw office; Jonathan D. Katz, senior fellow and director, democracy initiatives, based in Washington D.C.; and Ozgur Unluhisarcikli, director of GMF&apos;s Ankara office.</itunes:subtitle>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 9 Sep 2021 10:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>gmfpress@gmfus.org (Zack Cooper, Garima Mohan, Kristi Govella)</author>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To learn more about GMF's Japan Trilateral Forum, visit: <a href="https://www.gmfus.org/japan-trilateral-forum" target="_blank">https://www.gmfus.org/japan-trilateral-forum</a>"</p>
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      <itunes:summary>Welcome back to Out of Order, a German Marshall Fund podcast. This season, we will continue to bring you in-depth discussions on pressing foreign policy issues that our organization works on daily. Our hosts will include GMF experts in discussion with global thought leaders with new constellations of experts and hosts for each episode. For our first episode this season, we are featuring a discussion led by Dr. Kristi Govella, Senior Fellow and Deputy Director of the Asia Program at the German Marshall Fund of the United States. 

In recent years, the world’s attention has shifted toward the Indo-Pacific. As concerns over the rise of China and other regional challenges have intensified, the US and Japan have taken steps to strengthen their security cooperation and Europe has also become more engaged, begging the question of how the three sides might work together on security issues. What factors are driving Europe’s recent involvement in the Indo-Pacific? Does Europe have a role to play in the Biden Administration’s Indo-Pacific strategy, or would it be better for European countries to focus their efforts on security issues closer to home? Will a change of leadership in Japan affect its prospects for cooperation with the US and Europe? What are the most promising issue areas for trilateral cooperation and coordination, and what challenges lie ahead? In this episode, host Dr. Kristi Govella discusses these questions with Dr. Zack Cooper and Dr. Garima Mohan. Dr. Cooper is a Senior Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and Co-Director of the Alliance for Securing Democracy at GMF. Dr. Garima Mohan is a Fellow in GMF’s Asia Program.</itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>Welcome back to Out of Order, a German Marshall Fund podcast. This season, we will continue to bring you in-depth discussions on pressing foreign policy issues that our organization works on daily. Our hosts will include GMF experts in discussion with global thought leaders with new constellations of experts and hosts for each episode. For our first episode this season, we are featuring a discussion led by Dr. Kristi Govella, Senior Fellow and Deputy Director of the Asia Program at the German Marshall Fund of the United States. 

In recent years, the world’s attention has shifted toward the Indo-Pacific. As concerns over the rise of China and other regional challenges have intensified, the US and Japan have taken steps to strengthen their security cooperation and Europe has also become more engaged, begging the question of how the three sides might work together on security issues. What factors are driving Europe’s recent involvement in the Indo-Pacific? Does Europe have a role to play in the Biden Administration’s Indo-Pacific strategy, or would it be better for European countries to focus their efforts on security issues closer to home? Will a change of leadership in Japan affect its prospects for cooperation with the US and Europe? What are the most promising issue areas for trilateral cooperation and coordination, and what challenges lie ahead? In this episode, host Dr. Kristi Govella discusses these questions with Dr. Zack Cooper and Dr. Garima Mohan. Dr. Cooper is a Senior Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and Co-Director of the Alliance for Securing Democracy at GMF. Dr. Garima Mohan is a Fellow in GMF’s Asia Program.</itunes:subtitle>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>For more Common Ground episodes visit: <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/common-ground">www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/common-ground </a></p>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 2 Jul 2021 13:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>gmfpress@gmfus.org (The German Marshall Fund)</author>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For more Common Ground episodes visit: <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/common-ground">www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/common-ground </a></p>
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      <itunes:summary>While Out of Order is on a short break, this week we want to share a special episode from GMF&apos;s partner podcast &quot;Common Ground.&quot; 

It’s been nearly six months since Joe Biden took office, but has he repaired the frayed U.S. relations with Germany? Host Soraya Sarhaddi Nelson brings an update from both sides of the pond with Bloomberg Opinion columnist Andreas Kluth; Sudha David-Wilp, senior transatlantic fellow and deputy director of the German Marshall Fund’s Berlin office and Brett Samuels, White House reporter for The Hill. 

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      <itunes:subtitle>While Out of Order is on a short break, this week we want to share a special episode from GMF&apos;s partner podcast &quot;Common Ground.&quot; 

It’s been nearly six months since Joe Biden took office, but has he repaired the frayed U.S. relations with Germany? Host Soraya Sarhaddi Nelson brings an update from both sides of the pond with Bloomberg Opinion columnist Andreas Kluth; Sudha David-Wilp, senior transatlantic fellow and deputy director of the German Marshall Fund’s Berlin office and Brett Samuels, White House reporter for The Hill. 

Common Ground is produced by KCRW Berlin and encourages debate of the most hot button topics in the German capital and beyond. New episodes are published on Mondays. This show is produced by Dina Elsayed. </itunes:subtitle>
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On this episode of Out of Order, we’re talking about the burgeoning role of cities in international affairs -- how cities conduct diplomacy and how they work with one another to solve global problems. In recent years we’ve seen the creation of many offices dedicated to international affairs in cities, professionalizing international engagement and building a key vertical connection that gives the local level a voice in a multi-layered global environment.  Our guests this week are two people who know this field well: Dr. Gabriele Goldfuss, Director of the Office for International Affairs for the city of Leipzig in Germany; and Ambassador Henri-Paul Normandin, former Director of International Relations for the city of Montreal in Quebec, Canada. Both Gabriele and Henri-Paul are also members of a new network of City Directors of International Affairs, recently launched by GMF Cities.  This week’s episode is hosted by GMF’s Paul Costello. 


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      <pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2021 01:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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      <itunes:summary>The line separating local from global issues is blurring. Inequality, climate change, the integration of migrants and refugees, and the growing influence of China are just some of the critical transnational issues affecting cities today. None of it can be properly addressed or resolved without the world’s metropolises and their leaders. 

On this episode of Out of Order, we’re talking about the burgeoning role of cities in international affairs -- how cities conduct diplomacy and how they work with one another to solve global problems. In recent years we’ve seen the creation of many offices dedicated to international affairs in cities, professionalizing international engagement and building a key vertical connection that gives the local level a voice in a multi-layered global environment.  Our guests this week are two people who know this field well: Dr. Gabriele Goldfuss, Director of the Office for International Affairs for the city of Leipzig in Germany; and Ambassador Henri-Paul Normandin, former Director of International Relations for the city of Montreal in Quebec, Canada. Both Gabriele and Henri-Paul are also members of a new network of City Directors of International Affairs, recently launched by GMF Cities.  This week’s episode is hosted by GMF’s Paul Costello. 

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      <itunes:subtitle>The line separating local from global issues is blurring. Inequality, climate change, the integration of migrants and refugees, and the growing influence of China are just some of the critical transnational issues affecting cities today. None of it can be properly addressed or resolved without the world’s metropolises and their leaders. 

On this episode of Out of Order, we’re talking about the burgeoning role of cities in international affairs -- how cities conduct diplomacy and how they work with one another to solve global problems. In recent years we’ve seen the creation of many offices dedicated to international affairs in cities, professionalizing international engagement and building a key vertical connection that gives the local level a voice in a multi-layered global environment.  Our guests this week are two people who know this field well: Dr. Gabriele Goldfuss, Director of the Office for International Affairs for the city of Leipzig in Germany; and Ambassador Henri-Paul Normandin, former Director of International Relations for the city of Montreal in Quebec, Canada. Both Gabriele and Henri-Paul are also members of a new network of City Directors of International Affairs, recently launched by GMF Cities.  This week’s episode is hosted by GMF’s Paul Costello. 

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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Click <a href="https://sites-gmf.vuturevx.com/77/6305/forms/subscribetowatchingchina.asp?sid=7ccb8e37-4649-41c5-9efb-4a5bdc9feaba">HERE</a> to subscribe to Noah's "Watching China in Europe" newsletter and read the April edition <a href="https://www.gmfus.org/blog/2021/05/04/watching-china-europe-may-2021">HERE</a>. </p><p>Official Statements: </p><ul><li><a href="https://new-york-un.diplo.de/un-en/news-corner/-/2459190">Statement by Christoph Heusgen in the High-level virtual event on the situation of Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslim minorities in Xinjiang, May 12</a></li><li><a href="https://new-york-un.diplo.de/un-en/news-corner/-/2430440">Final Remarks by Ambassador Christoph Heusgen in the Security Council on Germany's 2019/2020 terms</a></li></ul><p>Articles:</p><ul><li><a href="https://www.reuters.com/world/us-vows-keep-speaking-out-until-china-stops-genocide-2021-05-12/">U.S., UK Germany Clash with China at U.N. over Xinjiang</a> (Reuters; May 12, 2021) </li><li><a href="https://thediplomat.com/2021/05/china-outlines-its-priorities-as-un-security-council-president/">China Outlines Its Priorities as UN Security Council President</a> (The Diplomat; May 5, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-china-russia-un-idUSKBN28W2HV">'Good Riddance,' China Says as Germany Leaves U.N. Security Council</a> (Reuters; December 22, 2020)</li></ul>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2021 01:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>gmfpress@gmfus.org (The German Marshall Fund)</author>
      <link>https://outoforder.simplecast.com/episodes/christoph-heusgen-china-wF_PPg3o</link>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Click <a href="https://sites-gmf.vuturevx.com/77/6305/forms/subscribetowatchingchina.asp?sid=7ccb8e37-4649-41c5-9efb-4a5bdc9feaba">HERE</a> to subscribe to Noah's "Watching China in Europe" newsletter and read the April edition <a href="https://www.gmfus.org/blog/2021/05/04/watching-china-europe-may-2021">HERE</a>. </p><p>Official Statements: </p><ul><li><a href="https://new-york-un.diplo.de/un-en/news-corner/-/2459190">Statement by Christoph Heusgen in the High-level virtual event on the situation of Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslim minorities in Xinjiang, May 12</a></li><li><a href="https://new-york-un.diplo.de/un-en/news-corner/-/2430440">Final Remarks by Ambassador Christoph Heusgen in the Security Council on Germany's 2019/2020 terms</a></li></ul><p>Articles:</p><ul><li><a href="https://www.reuters.com/world/us-vows-keep-speaking-out-until-china-stops-genocide-2021-05-12/">U.S., UK Germany Clash with China at U.N. over Xinjiang</a> (Reuters; May 12, 2021) </li><li><a href="https://thediplomat.com/2021/05/china-outlines-its-priorities-as-un-security-council-president/">China Outlines Its Priorities as UN Security Council President</a> (The Diplomat; May 5, 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-china-russia-un-idUSKBN28W2HV">'Good Riddance,' China Says as Germany Leaves U.N. Security Council</a> (Reuters; December 22, 2020)</li></ul>
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      <itunes:title>Watching China in Europe with Germany&apos;s UN Ambassador Christoph Heusgen</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:summary>In this episode of Watching China in Europe, Noah Barkin speaks with Dr. Christoph Heusgen, Germany&apos;s ambassador to the United Nations who also served as Chancellor Angela Merkel&apos;s chief foreign policy advisor for more than a decade.  

Ambassador Heusgen argues that Germany must speak out on human rights abuses in China and push back against Beijing&apos;s attempts to bully smaller countries into adhering to its positions at the UN. He also explains why he is not a fan of the term &quot;European strategic autonomy&quot;— a popular buzzword among EU policymakers—saying Europe&apos;s priority must be to work with the United States and other allies.

New episodes of the &quot;Watching China in Europe&quot; series will be posted to the Out of Order feed every few weeks. For more on China in Europe, subscribe to Noah&apos;s monthly newsletter at the link below.
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Watching China in Europe, Noah Barkin speaks with Dr. Christoph Heusgen, Germany&apos;s ambassador to the United Nations who also served as Chancellor Angela Merkel&apos;s chief foreign policy advisor for more than a decade.  

Ambassador Heusgen argues that Germany must speak out on human rights abuses in China and push back against Beijing&apos;s attempts to bully smaller countries into adhering to its positions at the UN. He also explains why he is not a fan of the term &quot;European strategic autonomy&quot;— a popular buzzword among EU policymakers—saying Europe&apos;s priority must be to work with the United States and other allies.

New episodes of the &quot;Watching China in Europe&quot; series will be posted to the Out of Order feed every few weeks. For more on China in Europe, subscribe to Noah&apos;s monthly newsletter at the link below.
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      <description><![CDATA[In the third installment of "Watching China in Europe," Noah Barkin speaks with Raphael Glucksmann, a member of the European Parliament and chairman of a special committee in the Parliament that is looking into foreign interference and disinformation. Mr Glucksmann, one of several lawmakers who was put on a Chinese sanctions list in March, revealed that the European Council is working on a mandate that would give the EU new powers to counter Chinese disinformation. He also talked about the "Faustian pact" between European business and China, and the "dangerous mood" in European capitals that has led some leaders to remain silent on China's sanctions.

New episodes of the "Watching China in Europe" series will be posted to the Out of Order feed every few weeks. For more on China in Europe, subscribe to Noah's monthly newsletter at the link below. The new May edition is online today. 

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      <pubDate>Tue, 4 May 2021 03:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>gmfpress@gmfus.org (The German Marshall Fund)</author>
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      <itunes:title>Watching China in Europe: Episode Three with Raphael Glucksmann</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:summary>In the third installment of &quot;Watching China in Europe,&quot; Noah Barkin speaks with Raphael Glucksmann, a member of the European Parliament and chairman of a special committee in the Parliament that is looking into foreign interference and disinformation. Mr Glucksmann, one of several lawmakers who was put on a Chinese sanctions list in March, revealed that the European Council is working on a mandate that would give the EU new powers to counter Chinese disinformation. He also talked about the &quot;Faustian pact&quot; between European business and China, and the &quot;dangerous mood&quot; in European capitals that has led some leaders to remain silent on China&apos;s sanctions.

New episodes of the &quot;Watching China in Europe&quot; series will be posted to the Out of Order feed every few weeks. For more on China in Europe, subscribe to Noah&apos;s monthly newsletter at the link below. The new May edition is online today. 
</itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>In the third installment of &quot;Watching China in Europe,&quot; Noah Barkin speaks with Raphael Glucksmann, a member of the European Parliament and chairman of a special committee in the Parliament that is looking into foreign interference and disinformation. Mr Glucksmann, one of several lawmakers who was put on a Chinese sanctions list in March, revealed that the European Council is working on a mandate that would give the EU new powers to counter Chinese disinformation. He also talked about the &quot;Faustian pact&quot; between European business and China, and the &quot;dangerous mood&quot; in European capitals that has led some leaders to remain silent on China&apos;s sanctions.

New episodes of the &quot;Watching China in Europe&quot; series will be posted to the Out of Order feed every few weeks. For more on China in Europe, subscribe to Noah&apos;s monthly newsletter at the link below. The new May edition is online today. 
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      <title>Watching China in Europe: Episode Two with Wolfgang Niedermark</title>
      <description><![CDATA[<ul><li>Click <a href="https://sites-gmf.vuturevx.com/77/6305/forms/subscribetowatchingchina.asp?sid=7ccb8e37-4649-41c5-9efb-4a5bdc9feaba">HERE</a> to subscribe to Noah's "Watching China in Europe" newsletter and read the April edition <a href="https://www.gmfus.org/blog/2021/04/01/watching-china-europe-april-2021">HERE</a>. </li><li> </li></ul>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2021 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>gmfpress@gmfus.org (The German Marshall Fund)</author>
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      <itunes:title>Watching China in Europe: Episode Two with Wolfgang Niedermark</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:summary> In the second episode of &quot;Watching China in Europe,&quot; a new series by GMF&apos;s Out of Order, Noah Barkin speaks with Wolfgang Niedermark, executive board member at the Federation of German Industries (BDI), the influential business lobby. After tit-for-tat sanctions between the EU and China sent a chill through the relationship, Niedermark talks about the increasingly precarious &quot;balancing act&quot; for German industry in China and whether the latest tensions will doom the EU-China investment agreement. Niedermark also discusses how Germany&apos;s China policy could evolve once Chancellor Angela Merkel leaves the political stage and sets out his worst and best case scenarios for German business in China over the next five years.  

New episodes of the &quot;Watching China in Europe&quot; series will be posted to the Out of Order feed every few weeks. For more on China in Europe, subscribe to Noah&apos;s monthly newsletter at the link below.
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      <itunes:subtitle> In the second episode of &quot;Watching China in Europe,&quot; a new series by GMF&apos;s Out of Order, Noah Barkin speaks with Wolfgang Niedermark, executive board member at the Federation of German Industries (BDI), the influential business lobby. After tit-for-tat sanctions between the EU and China sent a chill through the relationship, Niedermark talks about the increasingly precarious &quot;balancing act&quot; for German industry in China and whether the latest tensions will doom the EU-China investment agreement. Niedermark also discusses how Germany&apos;s China policy could evolve once Chancellor Angela Merkel leaves the political stage and sets out his worst and best case scenarios for German business in China over the next five years.  

New episodes of the &quot;Watching China in Europe&quot; series will be posted to the Out of Order feed every few weeks. For more on China in Europe, subscribe to Noah&apos;s monthly newsletter at the link below.
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      <description><![CDATA[<ul><li><a href="https://www.euractiv.com/section/circular-economy/news/lawmakers-call-for-green-due-diligence-in-europes-supply-chains/">Lawmakers Call for Green 'Due Diligence' in Supply Chains</a> (Euractiv) </li><li><a href="https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20210122IPR96215/meps-hold-companies-accountable-for-harm-caused-to-people-and-planet">MEPs: Hold Companies Accountable for Harm Caused to People and Planet</a> (European Parliament) </li><li><a href="https://www.tradeexperettes.org/corona/weseeyou-covid-19-and-the-fashion-retail-industry">#WeSeeYou: COVID-19 and the Fashion Retail Industry </a> (Blog post by Laura Basagni, Trade Experettes)</li><li> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Fkhzdc4ybw">Video: Rana Plaza Collapse: The Deadly Cost of Fashion</a> (The New York Times)</li></ul>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2021 18:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>gmfpress@gmfus.org (Anna Cavazzini, Laura Basagni)</author>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<ul><li><a href="https://www.euractiv.com/section/circular-economy/news/lawmakers-call-for-green-due-diligence-in-europes-supply-chains/">Lawmakers Call for Green 'Due Diligence' in Supply Chains</a> (Euractiv) </li><li><a href="https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20210122IPR96215/meps-hold-companies-accountable-for-harm-caused-to-people-and-planet">MEPs: Hold Companies Accountable for Harm Caused to People and Planet</a> (European Parliament) </li><li><a href="https://www.tradeexperettes.org/corona/weseeyou-covid-19-and-the-fashion-retail-industry">#WeSeeYou: COVID-19 and the Fashion Retail Industry </a> (Blog post by Laura Basagni, Trade Experettes)</li><li> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Fkhzdc4ybw">Video: Rana Plaza Collapse: The Deadly Cost of Fashion</a> (The New York Times)</li></ul>
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      <itunes:title>Behind Europe’s Plan to Clean Up Global Supply Chains</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:summary>Global supply chains—the networks of people, places, transit, and tech that goes into the manufacturing and movement of goods and services that fuel international commerce—are getting longer and more complex. But there’s a dark side to this facet of our connected world. From oil spills to factory fires, production of the goods we consume everyday often leaves collateral damage in its wake.  Now, a new and potentially landmark policy coming out of the EU would hold companies responsible and accountable for the human rights and environmental violations in their supply chains.

To discuss this new proposed rule and its potential impact on climate change and human rights, GMF’s Laura Basagni is in the host seat for a conversation with Anna Cavazzini, member of the European Parliament with the Greens/ European Free Alliance group and European chair of the Committee on the Internal Market and Consumer Protection (IMCO). She is also the vice-chair of the European Parliament&apos;s Brazil delegation and seats in the International Trade Committee.</itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>Global supply chains—the networks of people, places, transit, and tech that goes into the manufacturing and movement of goods and services that fuel international commerce—are getting longer and more complex. But there’s a dark side to this facet of our connected world. From oil spills to factory fires, production of the goods we consume everyday often leaves collateral damage in its wake.  Now, a new and potentially landmark policy coming out of the EU would hold companies responsible and accountable for the human rights and environmental violations in their supply chains.

To discuss this new proposed rule and its potential impact on climate change and human rights, GMF’s Laura Basagni is in the host seat for a conversation with Anna Cavazzini, member of the European Parliament with the Greens/ European Free Alliance group and European chair of the Committee on the Internal Market and Consumer Protection (IMCO). She is also the vice-chair of the European Parliament&apos;s Brazil delegation and seats in the International Trade Committee.</itunes:subtitle>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Related Reading: </p><ul><li><a href="https://www.ft.com/content/bf8715d2-e73d-4fa1-bccc-72503b4949c4">Netherlands Election: Mark Rutte and Europe's New Awkward Squad</a> (Financial Times)</li><li><a href="https://www.politico.eu/article/frugal-four-propose-loans-for-loans-approach-to-coronavirus-recovery-fund/">"Frugal Four" Propose "Loans for Loans" Approach to Coronavirus Recovery Fund</a> (Politico EU, May 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/15/netherlands-election-mark-rutte-set-to-win-big-but-what-next">Netherlands Election: Mark Rutte Set to Win Big-- But What Next?</a> (The Guardian, March 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2021/03/12/nederlanders-zijn-niet-de-nieuwe-britten-a4035301">Nederlanders zijn niet de nieuwe Britten</a> (Caroline de Gruyter, NRC Handelsblad, March 2021)</li></ul><h1> </h1><p> </p><p>Episode Music - </p><p>Blue Dream - <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCI4VlRu-Cl_ol4yRiY0TQyw/">Cheel</a></p><p>Democracy to Despotism - <a href="zachtarrant.com">Zachary Tarrant</a></p>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2021 19:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Related Reading: </p><ul><li><a href="https://www.ft.com/content/bf8715d2-e73d-4fa1-bccc-72503b4949c4">Netherlands Election: Mark Rutte and Europe's New Awkward Squad</a> (Financial Times)</li><li><a href="https://www.politico.eu/article/frugal-four-propose-loans-for-loans-approach-to-coronavirus-recovery-fund/">"Frugal Four" Propose "Loans for Loans" Approach to Coronavirus Recovery Fund</a> (Politico EU, May 2020)</li><li><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/15/netherlands-election-mark-rutte-set-to-win-big-but-what-next">Netherlands Election: Mark Rutte Set to Win Big-- But What Next?</a> (The Guardian, March 2021)</li><li><a href="https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2021/03/12/nederlanders-zijn-niet-de-nieuwe-britten-a4035301">Nederlanders zijn niet de nieuwe Britten</a> (Caroline de Gruyter, NRC Handelsblad, March 2021)</li></ul><h1> </h1><p> </p><p>Episode Music - </p><p>Blue Dream - <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCI4VlRu-Cl_ol4yRiY0TQyw/">Cheel</a></p><p>Democracy to Despotism - <a href="zachtarrant.com">Zachary Tarrant</a></p>
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      <itunes:title>37 Parties, 1 Election: What Dutch Politics Mean for Europe</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:summary>This week, it’s the Netherlands’ turn to head to the polls. And a lot is at stake for a country known for its stroopwafels and tulips, but also for its liberal policies and push for economic austerity in Europe. 

 Despite being faced with violent anti-COVID lockdown riots, economic contraction, and a social benefits scandal, Prime Minister Mark Rutte is on track to win a historic fourth term in office. Rutte&apos;s right-leaning liberal People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy (VVD) is projected to sweep Parliament amidst a record field of 37 parties vying for representation in the country&apos;s purely proportional system. 

How will Rutte, who the Financial Times recently described as the EU&apos;s &quot;leading naysayer&quot; and member of the &quot;Frugal Four&quot; shape the Netherlands&apos; role in Europe? How will Dutch euroskepticism play out as the country&apos;s influence grows? Is a &quot;Nexit&quot; on the horizon?  GMF’s Laura Groenendaal talked with Caroline de Gruyter, European Correspondent for the leading Dutch newspaper NRC Handelsblad and an authority on the Dutch and European political landscapes, to unpack all of this and more.
</itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>This week, it’s the Netherlands’ turn to head to the polls. And a lot is at stake for a country known for its stroopwafels and tulips, but also for its liberal policies and push for economic austerity in Europe. 

 Despite being faced with violent anti-COVID lockdown riots, economic contraction, and a social benefits scandal, Prime Minister Mark Rutte is on track to win a historic fourth term in office. Rutte&apos;s right-leaning liberal People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy (VVD) is projected to sweep Parliament amidst a record field of 37 parties vying for representation in the country&apos;s purely proportional system. 

How will Rutte, who the Financial Times recently described as the EU&apos;s &quot;leading naysayer&quot; and member of the &quot;Frugal Four&quot; shape the Netherlands&apos; role in Europe? How will Dutch euroskepticism play out as the country&apos;s influence grows? Is a &quot;Nexit&quot; on the horizon?  GMF’s Laura Groenendaal talked with Caroline de Gruyter, European Correspondent for the leading Dutch newspaper NRC Handelsblad and an authority on the Dutch and European political landscapes, to unpack all of this and more.
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      <title>Watching China in Europe: Episode One with Martin Selmayr</title>
      <description><![CDATA[<p>Subscribe to Noah's monthly "Watching China in Europe Newsletter" <a href="https://sites-gmf.vuturevx.com/77/6305/forms/subscribetowatchingchina.asp?sid=9362d13b-a5b0-4e78-b332-d95c427255d8. ">HERE</a></p><p>Episode Music: Blue Dream by <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCI4VlRu-Cl_ol4yRiY0TQyw/">Cheel </a></p>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 2 Mar 2021 03:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>gmfpress@gmfus.org (Noah Barkin, Martin Selmayr)</author>
      <link>https://outoforder.simplecast.com/episodes/watching-china-in-europe-1-_1EkxVaV</link>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Subscribe to Noah's monthly "Watching China in Europe Newsletter" <a href="https://sites-gmf.vuturevx.com/77/6305/forms/subscribetowatchingchina.asp?sid=9362d13b-a5b0-4e78-b332-d95c427255d8. ">HERE</a></p><p>Episode Music: Blue Dream by <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCI4VlRu-Cl_ol4yRiY0TQyw/">Cheel </a></p>
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      <itunes:summary>Introducing &quot;Watching China in Europe&quot;: a new recurring series by the Out of Order team. Hosted by Noah Barkin, a veteran journalist and GMF senior visiting fellow, WCIE will dig into the China-Europe relationship with the people shaping it. 

In the first edition of the WCIE podcast, Noah speaks with Martin Selmayr, the influential former adviser to European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker, about the EU&apos;s China strategy. Selmayr was the driving force behind the EU-China strategic outlook (released two years ago this month) that labeled China a &quot;systemic rival&quot;. 

Selmayr looks back at how the document came together, talks about whether it is still relevant in an era of growing Chinese assertiveness, explains how the EU-China investment agreement fits into the puzzle, and what strategic autonomy means for the EU&apos;s positioning between Washington and Beijing. 

New episodes of the &quot;Watching China in Europe&quot; series will be posted to the Out of Order feed every few weeks. For more on China in Europe, subscribe to Noah&apos;s monthly newsletter at the link below. </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>Introducing &quot;Watching China in Europe&quot;: a new recurring series by the Out of Order team. Hosted by Noah Barkin, a veteran journalist and GMF senior visiting fellow, WCIE will dig into the China-Europe relationship with the people shaping it. 

In the first edition of the WCIE podcast, Noah speaks with Martin Selmayr, the influential former adviser to European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker, about the EU&apos;s China strategy. Selmayr was the driving force behind the EU-China strategic outlook (released two years ago this month) that labeled China a &quot;systemic rival&quot;. 

Selmayr looks back at how the document came together, talks about whether it is still relevant in an era of growing Chinese assertiveness, explains how the EU-China investment agreement fits into the puzzle, and what strategic autonomy means for the EU&apos;s positioning between Washington and Beijing. 

New episodes of the &quot;Watching China in Europe&quot; series will be posted to the Out of Order feed every few weeks. For more on China in Europe, subscribe to Noah&apos;s monthly newsletter at the link below. </itunes:subtitle>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2021 19:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>gmfpress@gmfus.org (Garima Mohan, Sydney Simon, Michal Baranowski, Zachary Tarrant, Rachel Tausendfreund, Steven Keil)</author>
      <link>https://outoforder.simplecast.com/episodes/transatlantic-takes-america-is-back-and-a-marathon-week-of-diplomacy-eNeB5a2q</link>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paper: "<a href="https://www.gmfus.org/publications/flexible-security-arrangements-and-future-nato-partnerships">Flexible Security Arrangements and the Future of NATO Partnerships</a>" (Steven Keil and Sophie Arts, GMFUS.org) </p><p>Op-Ed: "<a href="https://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2021/02/19/new_possibilities_open_for_us-poland_relationship_661052.html">New Possibilities Open for the U.S.-Poland Relationship</a>" (Michal Baranowski, RealClearWorld)</p><p>Policy Brief Series: "<a>Agenda 2021: A Blueprint for U.S.-Europe-India Cooperation</a>" (Garima Mohan, GMFUS.org) </p><p> </p><p> </p>
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      <itunes:title>“America is Back” and a Marathon Week of Diplomacy</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:summary>In this week’s “Transatlantic Takes” edition of Out of Order, GMF’s Rachel Tausendfreund is back with a roundtable of GMF experts in four different countries to discuss last week’s diplomacy marathon in which President Biden reaffirmed America’s return to the world stage. In addition to the virtual Munich Security Conference, where Biden was joined by Emmanuel Macron, Angela Merkel, Boris Johnson, John Kerry, Bill Gates, and other global leaders; last week saw a virtual G7 meeting hosted by the UK, a NATO ministerial, and a call between the Quad foreign ministers (U.S., India, Australia, and Japan).

To unpack how it all went and what it all means are GMF’s Warsaw director Michal Baranowski, Garima Mohan, a fellow with GMF’s Asia Program and an expert on India; and Steven Keil, a fellow in GMF’s Washington office focusing on transatlantic security. </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>In this week’s “Transatlantic Takes” edition of Out of Order, GMF’s Rachel Tausendfreund is back with a roundtable of GMF experts in four different countries to discuss last week’s diplomacy marathon in which President Biden reaffirmed America’s return to the world stage. In addition to the virtual Munich Security Conference, where Biden was joined by Emmanuel Macron, Angela Merkel, Boris Johnson, John Kerry, Bill Gates, and other global leaders; last week saw a virtual G7 meeting hosted by the UK, a NATO ministerial, and a call between the Quad foreign ministers (U.S., India, Australia, and Japan).

To unpack how it all went and what it all means are GMF’s Warsaw director Michal Baranowski, Garima Mohan, a fellow with GMF’s Asia Program and an expert on India; and Steven Keil, a fellow in GMF’s Washington office focusing on transatlantic security. </itunes:subtitle>
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      <title>Will Alexei Navalny Make Russia More Democratic? (Guest Episode from Democracy Works)</title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2021 17:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>gmfpress@gmfus.org (The German Marshall Fund)</author>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Links: </p><p><a href="https://newrepublic.com/article/161044/biden-putin-navalny-russia-protests">How Biden Can Achieve Russian Restoration (Michael Kimmage, The New Republic) </a></p>
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      <itunes:title>Will Alexei Navalny Make Russia More Democratic? (Guest Episode from Democracy Works)</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:summary>This week on Out of Order, we’re sharing an episode recently recorded by our friends at the Democracy Works podcast.

GMF’s non-resident fellow Michael Kimmage joined Democracy Works&apos; Jenna Spinelle to dig into the state of democracy in Russia amidst the pandemic and simmering public discontent with the Kremlin. They talk about the mass protests in the country, the recent arrest of opposition figure Alexei Navalny, why Michael believes this is a moment for humility in U.S. foreign policy toward Russia.   

Michael Kimmage served on the Policy Planning Staff at the U.S. State Department where he held the Russia/Ukraine portfolio from 2014-2016. In addition to his role at GMF, he is currently a professor of history at the Catholic University of America. 

Democracy Works is based out of Penn State’s McCourtney Institute for Democracy and is part of the Democracy Group podcast network – which Out of Order is also a member of. 

Note: This episode was taped earlier this month. </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>This week on Out of Order, we’re sharing an episode recently recorded by our friends at the Democracy Works podcast.

GMF’s non-resident fellow Michael Kimmage joined Democracy Works&apos; Jenna Spinelle to dig into the state of democracy in Russia amidst the pandemic and simmering public discontent with the Kremlin. They talk about the mass protests in the country, the recent arrest of opposition figure Alexei Navalny, why Michael believes this is a moment for humility in U.S. foreign policy toward Russia.   

Michael Kimmage served on the Policy Planning Staff at the U.S. State Department where he held the Russia/Ukraine portfolio from 2014-2016. In addition to his role at GMF, he is currently a professor of history at the Catholic University of America. 

Democracy Works is based out of Penn State’s McCourtney Institute for Democracy and is part of the Democracy Group podcast network – which Out of Order is also a member of. 

Note: This episode was taped earlier this month. </itunes:subtitle>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/01/world/europe/eu-vaccine-von-der-leyen.html" target="_blank">New York Times</a>: “Top EU Officials Comes Under Fires in Vaccine Wars”</p><p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/03/eu-leaders-begin-feel-heat-slow-covid-vaccine-rollout" target="_blank">The Guardian</a>: EU Leaders Began to Feel Heat Over Slow Covid Vaccine Rollout</p><p><a href="https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-economic-issues-watch/pandemic-not-under-control-anywhere-unless-it-controlled" target="_blank">Peterson Institute</a>: The Pandemic is Not Under Control Anywhere Unless it is Controlled Everywhere</p>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 5 Feb 2021 23:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>gmfpress@gmfus.org (Jacob Kirkegaard, Sydney Simon)</author>
      <link>https://outoforder.simplecast.com/episodes/europes-rollercoaster-vaccine-rollout-RsQrdkBT</link>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/01/world/europe/eu-vaccine-von-der-leyen.html" target="_blank">New York Times</a>: “Top EU Officials Comes Under Fires in Vaccine Wars”</p><p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/03/eu-leaders-begin-feel-heat-slow-covid-vaccine-rollout" target="_blank">The Guardian</a>: EU Leaders Began to Feel Heat Over Slow Covid Vaccine Rollout</p><p><a href="https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-economic-issues-watch/pandemic-not-under-control-anywhere-unless-it-controlled" target="_blank">Peterson Institute</a>: The Pandemic is Not Under Control Anywhere Unless it is Controlled Everywhere</p>
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      <itunes:title>Europe’s Rollercoaster Vaccine Rollout</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:summary>All eyes are on the COVID-19 vaccine rollout as the key to a return to normalcy. But in Europe, the distribution has so far been marred with miscalculation and political tussles. Jacob Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the German Marshall Fund and the Peterson Institute, has been mapping vaccine progress in detail. He joins “Out of Order” to talk about the politics and economics of Europe’s rollercoaster rollout—and its implications for the pandemic in other parts of the world.  

 </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>All eyes are on the COVID-19 vaccine rollout as the key to a return to normalcy. But in Europe, the distribution has so far been marred with miscalculation and political tussles. Jacob Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the German Marshall Fund and the Peterson Institute, has been mapping vaccine progress in detail. He joins “Out of Order” to talk about the politics and economics of Europe’s rollercoaster rollout—and its implications for the pandemic in other parts of the world.  

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GMF’s Sudha David-Wilp leads two conversations with top German officials on their country's EU presidency and what comes next. First up: Germany’s Chief Economist and Director General for Economic and Fiscal Policy Strategy Jakob von Weizsäcker. Followed by two key legislators: Sergey Lagodinsky, Member of the European Parliament for Alliance 90/The Greens; and Jürgen Hardt, Foreign Policy Spokesperson of the CDU/CSU Parliamentary Group.

To kick off the episode, GMF’s Sydney Simon talks to Goetz Frommholz, a Berlin-based analyst with the Open Society European Policy Institute (OSEPI) about the position of the Council presidency itself and how it all went.

Thanks to our friends at OSEPI who partnered with GMF on this episode. 


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      <itunes:summary>Out of Order is turning to the not-so-distant past to take stock of Germany’s Presidency of the Council of the European Union, which recently ended.  After six months helming the EU’s policy agenda… what were the expectations and how did Germany fare? And now that Portugal has picked up the baton, what should the priorities for 2021 be? 
 
GMF’s Sudha David-Wilp leads two conversations with top German officials on their country&apos;s EU presidency and what comes next. First up: Germany’s Chief Economist and Director General for Economic and Fiscal Policy Strategy Jakob von Weizsäcker. Followed by two key legislators: Sergey Lagodinsky, Member of the European Parliament for Alliance 90/The Greens; and Jürgen Hardt, Foreign Policy Spokesperson of the CDU/CSU Parliamentary Group.

To kick off the episode, GMF’s Sydney Simon talks to Goetz Frommholz, a Berlin-based analyst with the Open Society European Policy Institute (OSEPI) about the position of the Council presidency itself and how it all went.

Thanks to our friends at OSEPI who partnered with GMF on this episode. 

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      <itunes:subtitle>Out of Order is turning to the not-so-distant past to take stock of Germany’s Presidency of the Council of the European Union, which recently ended.  After six months helming the EU’s policy agenda… what were the expectations and how did Germany fare? And now that Portugal has picked up the baton, what should the priorities for 2021 be? 
 
GMF’s Sudha David-Wilp leads two conversations with top German officials on their country&apos;s EU presidency and what comes next. First up: Germany’s Chief Economist and Director General for Economic and Fiscal Policy Strategy Jakob von Weizsäcker. Followed by two key legislators: Sergey Lagodinsky, Member of the European Parliament for Alliance 90/The Greens; and Jürgen Hardt, Foreign Policy Spokesperson of the CDU/CSU Parliamentary Group.

To kick off the episode, GMF’s Sydney Simon talks to Goetz Frommholz, a Berlin-based analyst with the Open Society European Policy Institute (OSEPI) about the position of the Council presidency itself and how it all went.

Thanks to our friends at OSEPI who partnered with GMF on this episode. 

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      <title>Defending Democracy in the Digital World: A Conversation with Marietje Schaake</title>
      <description><![CDATA[<ul><li><a href="https://securingdemocracy.gmfus.org/future-internet/"> Report: “A Future Internet for Democracies: Contesting China’s Push for Dominance in 5G, 6G, and the Internet of Everything” (Lindsay Gorman, Alliance for Securing Democracy)</a></li><li><a href="https://www.lawfareblog.com/democratic-source-code-new-us-eu-tech-alliance">Article: "Democratic Source Code for a New EU-U.S. Tech Alliance" (Marietje Schaake and Tyson Barker, Lawfare)</a></li></ul>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2020 17:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>gmfpress@gmfus.org (Sydney Simon, Marietje Schaake, Lindsay Gorman, Zachary Tarrant)</author>
      <link>https://outoforder.simplecast.com/episodes/defending-democracy-in-the-digital-world-a-conversation-with-marietje-schaake-IBLWWD3_</link>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<ul><li><a href="https://securingdemocracy.gmfus.org/future-internet/"> Report: “A Future Internet for Democracies: Contesting China’s Push for Dominance in 5G, 6G, and the Internet of Everything” (Lindsay Gorman, Alliance for Securing Democracy)</a></li><li><a href="https://www.lawfareblog.com/democratic-source-code-new-us-eu-tech-alliance">Article: "Democratic Source Code for a New EU-U.S. Tech Alliance" (Marietje Schaake and Tyson Barker, Lawfare)</a></li></ul>
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      <itunes:summary>In 2020, the role of technology as a playing field in the geopolitical struggle between democracy and authoritarianism was magnified. While some governments like China seized control of their information environments; democracies were disadvantaged by floods of disinformation about the pandemic with little means to stop it. While there has been increasing interest from both the U.S. and Europe in aligning closer on some technology policy issues, competing visions for how tech should be governed have so far prevented a broad consensus on how to tackle complex issues like privacy and data protection, surveillance, antitrust, cybersecurity, freedom protections online, and more. 

In the final episode of the year, Lindsay Gorman, the Emerging Technologies fellow at GMF’s Alliance for Securing Democracy talks with Marietje Schaake, International Policy Director at Stanford University’s Cyber Policy Center and a former member of the European Parliament, about how (and why) tech has become a mediator of values and nation state power. What comes next in this high-stakes competition in the digital world and how will it play out in the physical world? </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>In 2020, the role of technology as a playing field in the geopolitical struggle between democracy and authoritarianism was magnified. While some governments like China seized control of their information environments; democracies were disadvantaged by floods of disinformation about the pandemic with little means to stop it. While there has been increasing interest from both the U.S. and Europe in aligning closer on some technology policy issues, competing visions for how tech should be governed have so far prevented a broad consensus on how to tackle complex issues like privacy and data protection, surveillance, antitrust, cybersecurity, freedom protections online, and more. 

In the final episode of the year, Lindsay Gorman, the Emerging Technologies fellow at GMF’s Alliance for Securing Democracy talks with Marietje Schaake, International Policy Director at Stanford University’s Cyber Policy Center and a former member of the European Parliament, about how (and why) tech has become a mediator of values and nation state power. What comes next in this high-stakes competition in the digital world and how will it play out in the physical world? </itunes:subtitle>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2020 17:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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      <itunes:summary>A complex transatlantic alliance of 30 countries, NATO has not been immune to the impacts of the pandemic. From day-to-day operations to bigger picture strategic thinking, the Alliance has had to adapt on many levels. Now as NATO wraps up this extraordinary year, it’s also looking toward the future with the its 2030 review process and recent Youth Summit. 

On one of our final episodes of 2020, GMF’s Nad’a Kovalčíková is joined by NATO’s head of policy planning, Dr. Benedetta Berti, for a wide-ranging discussion on the Alliance at this moment-- and its vision for the next decade. Dr. Berti also discusses her own perspectives on building a more democratic society, plus her experiences working within the sprawling multilateral organization.</itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>A complex transatlantic alliance of 30 countries, NATO has not been immune to the impacts of the pandemic. From day-to-day operations to bigger picture strategic thinking, the Alliance has had to adapt on many levels. Now as NATO wraps up this extraordinary year, it’s also looking toward the future with the its 2030 review process and recent Youth Summit. 

On one of our final episodes of 2020, GMF’s Nad’a Kovalčíková is joined by NATO’s head of policy planning, Dr. Benedetta Berti, for a wide-ranging discussion on the Alliance at this moment-- and its vision for the next decade. Dr. Berti also discusses her own perspectives on building a more democratic society, plus her experiences working within the sprawling multilateral organization.</itunes:subtitle>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Op-Ed: "<a href="https://time.com/5914237/joe-biden-iran-nuclear-deal/">I Helped Negotiate the Iran Deal. Here's How Joe Biden Could Revive It.</a>" (Catherine Ashton, TIME) </p><p>Report: "<a href="https://www.gmfus.org/publications/together-or-alone-choices-and-strategies-transatlantic-relations-2021-and-beyond">Together or Alone: Choices and Strategies for Transatlantic Relations for 2021 and Beyond.</a>" (The German Marshall Fund and the Bundeskanzler-Helmut-Schmidt-Stiftung)</p>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2020 19:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>gmfpress@gmfus.org (The German Marshall Fund)</author>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Op-Ed: "<a href="https://time.com/5914237/joe-biden-iran-nuclear-deal/">I Helped Negotiate the Iran Deal. Here's How Joe Biden Could Revive It.</a>" (Catherine Ashton, TIME) </p><p>Report: "<a href="https://www.gmfus.org/publications/together-or-alone-choices-and-strategies-transatlantic-relations-2021-and-beyond">Together or Alone: Choices and Strategies for Transatlantic Relations for 2021 and Beyond.</a>" (The German Marshall Fund and the Bundeskanzler-Helmut-Schmidt-Stiftung)</p>
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      <itunes:title>The Right Honorable Baroness Catherine Ashton on the Transatlantic Alliance’s Next Chapter</itunes:title>
      <itunes:author>The German Marshall Fund</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>Out of Order is continuing to explore the next chapter of transatlantic relations-- this week with the Right Honorable Baroness Catherine Ashton, former EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy (and another key leader on the Iran nuclear deal negotiations discussed in last week&apos;s episode).

Baroness Ashton and GMF’s Rachel Tausendfreund discuss what the future of the transatlantic alliance looks like from a European and UK perspective and where it should go next; how the U.S. and Europe can work together to strengthen COVID response and recovery; and why the future of the transatlantic relationship first depends on the future of the relationship between the UK and the European Union.

Baroness Ashton is a member of GMF’s Transatlantic Taskforce, which published a slate of recommendations for better cooperation in key areas – from the environment to security to public health-- between the U.S. and Europe.
</itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>Out of Order is continuing to explore the next chapter of transatlantic relations-- this week with the Right Honorable Baroness Catherine Ashton, former EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy (and another key leader on the Iran nuclear deal negotiations discussed in last week&apos;s episode).

Baroness Ashton and GMF’s Rachel Tausendfreund discuss what the future of the transatlantic alliance looks like from a European and UK perspective and where it should go next; how the U.S. and Europe can work together to strengthen COVID response and recovery; and why the future of the transatlantic relationship first depends on the future of the relationship between the UK and the European Union.

Baroness Ashton is a member of GMF’s Transatlantic Taskforce, which published a slate of recommendations for better cooperation in key areas – from the environment to security to public health-- between the U.S. and Europe.
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      <title>Ambassador Wendy Sherman on the Future of U.S. Foreign Policy</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2020 17:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>gmfpress@gmfus.org (Ariane Tabatabai, Wendy Sherman, Sydney Simon)</author>
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      <itunes:title>Ambassador Wendy Sherman on the Future of U.S. Foreign Policy</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:summary>After four years of “America First,” President-Elect Biden recently declared: “America is Back.” In other words, U.S. foreign policy is on the verge of change.  On this episode, Ariane Tabatabai, the Middle East Fellow at GMF’s Alliance for Securing Democracy is joined by Ambassador Wendy Sherman, former U.S. Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs who served as the lead negotiator on the Iran deal during the Obama administration. Ambassador Sherman and Ari discuss the connection between foreign and domestic policy, the most pressing challenges awaiting Biden’s inbox, what’s next for U.S.-Iran policy and how that will affect the transatlantic relationship, and more.  

Ambassador Sherman is currently a professor of the practice of public leadership and director of the Center for Public Leadership at the Harvard Kennedy School.</itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>After four years of “America First,” President-Elect Biden recently declared: “America is Back.” In other words, U.S. foreign policy is on the verge of change.  On this episode, Ariane Tabatabai, the Middle East Fellow at GMF’s Alliance for Securing Democracy is joined by Ambassador Wendy Sherman, former U.S. Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs who served as the lead negotiator on the Iran deal during the Obama administration. Ambassador Sherman and Ari discuss the connection between foreign and domestic policy, the most pressing challenges awaiting Biden’s inbox, what’s next for U.S.-Iran policy and how that will affect the transatlantic relationship, and more.  

Ambassador Sherman is currently a professor of the practice of public leadership and director of the Center for Public Leadership at the Harvard Kennedy School.</itunes:subtitle>
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      <title>Transatlantic Takes: Europe&apos;s Post-Election Mood</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2020 20:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>gmfpress@gmfus.org (The German Marshall Fund)</author>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Episode Music: </strong><i>Easy Stroll - </i> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUFHiyhTYfo">Track Tribe</a> </p>
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      <itunes:title>Transatlantic Takes: Europe&apos;s Post-Election Mood</itunes:title>
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      <itunes:summary>For the transatlantic relationship, the last four years of the Trump administration have come with no shortage of ups and downs. Now that Joe Biden has been elected to take the White House in January, a new chapter for the alliance might be on the horizon.  Europe is not monolithic, though, and the mood and expectations across the continent are varied-- from cautious optimism in France to relief in Germany to perhaps a mixture of optimism and pessimism in Poland.  

This week, we’ve fired up Zoom for a post-election roundtable with GMF’s Alexandra de Hoop Scheffer in Paris, Michal Baranowski in Warsaw, Rachel Tausendfreund in Berlin, and Peter Sparding in Washington. The group reflects on how Trump’s foreign policy has affected both the transatlantic relationship and Europe’s internal battles over its role in the world; and looks forward to how these various dynamics could play out in the coming months and years.</itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>For the transatlantic relationship, the last four years of the Trump administration have come with no shortage of ups and downs. Now that Joe Biden has been elected to take the White House in January, a new chapter for the alliance might be on the horizon.  Europe is not monolithic, though, and the mood and expectations across the continent are varied-- from cautious optimism in France to relief in Germany to perhaps a mixture of optimism and pessimism in Poland.  

This week, we’ve fired up Zoom for a post-election roundtable with GMF’s Alexandra de Hoop Scheffer in Paris, Michal Baranowski in Warsaw, Rachel Tausendfreund in Berlin, and Peter Sparding in Washington. The group reflects on how Trump’s foreign policy has affected both the transatlantic relationship and Europe’s internal battles over its role in the world; and looks forward to how these various dynamics could play out in the coming months and years.</itunes:subtitle>
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      <title>Everything You Wanted to Know About Voting in the U.S. with the Democracy Fund’s Tammy Patrick</title>
      <description><![CDATA[<p><i><strong>Related Reading:</strong></i>  </p><ul><li>"<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/21/us/politics/iran-russia-election-interference.html">Iran and Russia Seeks to Influence Election in Final Days, U.S. Officials Warn</a>" (The New York Times, October 21, 2020)</li><li>"<a href="https://securingdemocracy.gmfus.org/conducting-secure-elections-amid-a-pandemic/">Cyberattacks, Foreign Interference, and Digital Infrastructure: Conducting Secure Elections Amid Pandemic</a>" (The Alliance for Securing Democracy and the International Foundation for Electoral Systems)</li><li>"<a href="https://thefulcrum.us/election-dissection/election-security-2647940373">Voting by Mail is Still Secure. Here's Why.</a>" (David Levine and Amber McReynolds;The Fulcrum, October 5, 2020)</li><li>"<a href="https://thefulcrum.us/election-dissection/arizona-voting">Voter Registration Deadlines—It's Complicated</a>." (Tammy Patrick; The Fulcrum, October 18, 2020)</li></ul><p><i><strong>Episode Music:</strong></i>  </p><p>End Music: Subway Dreams - <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK0ePBXwnDZuZjF6xy3l77A/" target="_blank">Dan Henig</a></p><h1> </h1>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2020 16:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>gmfpress@gmfus.org (Tammy Patrick, Sydney Simon, David Levine)</author>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i><strong>Related Reading:</strong></i>  </p><ul><li>"<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/21/us/politics/iran-russia-election-interference.html">Iran and Russia Seeks to Influence Election in Final Days, U.S. Officials Warn</a>" (The New York Times, October 21, 2020)</li><li>"<a href="https://securingdemocracy.gmfus.org/conducting-secure-elections-amid-a-pandemic/">Cyberattacks, Foreign Interference, and Digital Infrastructure: Conducting Secure Elections Amid Pandemic</a>" (The Alliance for Securing Democracy and the International Foundation for Electoral Systems)</li><li>"<a href="https://thefulcrum.us/election-dissection/election-security-2647940373">Voting by Mail is Still Secure. Here's Why.</a>" (David Levine and Amber McReynolds;The Fulcrum, October 5, 2020)</li><li>"<a href="https://thefulcrum.us/election-dissection/arizona-voting">Voter Registration Deadlines—It's Complicated</a>." (Tammy Patrick; The Fulcrum, October 18, 2020)</li></ul><p><i><strong>Episode Music:</strong></i>  </p><p>End Music: Subway Dreams - <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK0ePBXwnDZuZjF6xy3l77A/" target="_blank">Dan Henig</a></p><h1> </h1>
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      <itunes:title>Everything You Wanted to Know About Voting in the U.S. with the Democracy Fund’s Tammy Patrick</itunes:title>
      <itunes:author>Tammy Patrick, Sydney Simon, David Levine</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>With November 3rd just around the corner, Out of Order is continuing the elections theme this week with a conversation on voting in America— making sense of this patchwork system and how it’s all working in an unprecedented year. The host seat this week goes to David Levine, the Elections Integrity Fellow at GMF’s Alliance for Securing Democracy. Our guest this week is Tammy Patrick, a senior advisor to the Democracy Fund who served for more than a decade as an election official in Maricopa County, Arizona. Among other roles, Tammy was also selected by the Obama administration to serve as a Commissioner on the Presidential Commission on Election Administration. 

This episode was taped on Thursday, October 22nd, the day after the Directors of National Intelligence and the FBI announced that they had found evidence of interference attempts by both Iran and Russia. David and Tammy discuss the implications of that news and what questions still remain for the security and resiliency of the U.S. democratic system, how voting is going so far as millions vote early and by mail, and what we can expect over the next week leading up to--and after-- Election Day. 
</itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>With November 3rd just around the corner, Out of Order is continuing the elections theme this week with a conversation on voting in America— making sense of this patchwork system and how it’s all working in an unprecedented year. The host seat this week goes to David Levine, the Elections Integrity Fellow at GMF’s Alliance for Securing Democracy. Our guest this week is Tammy Patrick, a senior advisor to the Democracy Fund who served for more than a decade as an election official in Maricopa County, Arizona. Among other roles, Tammy was also selected by the Obama administration to serve as a Commissioner on the Presidential Commission on Election Administration. 

This episode was taped on Thursday, October 22nd, the day after the Directors of National Intelligence and the FBI announced that they had found evidence of interference attempts by both Iran and Russia. David and Tammy discuss the implications of that news and what questions still remain for the security and resiliency of the U.S. democratic system, how voting is going so far as millions vote early and by mail, and what we can expect over the next week leading up to--and after-- Election Day. 
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      <title>Reporting the Vote: CBS News&apos; Caitlin Conant and Jennifer De Pinto on Getting the Story Right</title>
      <description><![CDATA[<p>The media plays an essential role in every democracy; but in an election season marked with uncertainty on many different levels, the responsibility of the press corps to preserve the truth while getting the story right is even greater. Now armed with the lessons of 2016—and with disinformation and misinformation still rampant – how is one of America’s most prominent broadcast networks taking on the challenge of covering the 2020 election?</p><p>CBS News’ Political Director <strong>Caitlin Conant</strong> and Deputy Director of Surveys <strong>Jennifer De Pinto</strong> join the Alliance for Securing Democracy’s <strong>Rachael Dean Wilson</strong> for a conversation about how CBS News and its peers are navigating an increasingly complex information environment, what it’s learned since 2016 and how it’s preparing to cover any potential Election Day curveballs, and the role of the media in preserving the integrity of the vote in this very unusual year.</p>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2020 19:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>gmfpress@gmfus.org (Zachary Tarrant, Jennifer De Pinto, Rachael Dean Wilson, Caitlin Conant, Sydney Simon)</author>
      <link>https://outoforder.simplecast.com/episodes/reporting-the-2020-vote-cbs-news-caitlin-conant-and-jennifer-de-pinto-on-getting-the-story-right-_SfaLbiy</link>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The media plays an essential role in every democracy; but in an election season marked with uncertainty on many different levels, the responsibility of the press corps to preserve the truth while getting the story right is even greater. Now armed with the lessons of 2016—and with disinformation and misinformation still rampant – how is one of America’s most prominent broadcast networks taking on the challenge of covering the 2020 election?</p><p>CBS News’ Political Director <strong>Caitlin Conant</strong> and Deputy Director of Surveys <strong>Jennifer De Pinto</strong> join the Alliance for Securing Democracy’s <strong>Rachael Dean Wilson</strong> for a conversation about how CBS News and its peers are navigating an increasingly complex information environment, what it’s learned since 2016 and how it’s preparing to cover any potential Election Day curveballs, and the role of the media in preserving the integrity of the vote in this very unusual year.</p>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>This week, we’re handing the mic over to Josh Rudolph, the Malign Finance fellow at GMF’s Alliance for Securing Democracy and the author of the new report, <a href="https://securingdemocracy.gmfus.org/covert-foreign-money/">Covert Foreign Money</a>.</p><p>Josh is joined by Luke Harding, best-selling author and senior international correspondent at <i>The Guardian</i>. Harding, who served as <i>The Guardian</i>’s Moscow bureau chief from 2007-2011, recently published the new book <i>“Shadow State: Murder, Mayhem, and Russia’s Remaking of the West.” </i></p><p>From Novichok poisonings to millions in covert money, Josh and Luke discuss how the Kremlin tries to spread its influence around the world. The fake news and Facebook trolls are just part of this story.  </p><p> </p><p><i>Links:</i></p><ul><li>Book: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-State/dp/1783352051/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1601498182&sr=1-1">Shadow State: Murder, Mayhem, and Russia's Remaking of the West</a></li><li>Report: <a href="https://securingdemocracy.gmfus.org/covert-foreign-money/">Covert Foreign Money: Financial Loopholes Exploited by Authoritarians to Fund Political Interference in Democracies</a></li><li>Article: <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/20/alexei-navalny-russia-long-history-of-poisoned-kremlin-critics">Alexei Navalny and the long history of poisoned Kremlin critics</a></li><li>Op-Ed: <a href="https://securingdemocracy.gmfus.org/josh-rudolph-on-the-rise-of-foreign-funds-that-distort-western-politics-in-the-financial-times/">The Rise of Foreign Funds That Distort Western Politics</a></li></ul>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 1 Oct 2020 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>gmfpress@gmfus.org (Josh Rudolph, Luke Harding, Sydney Simon)</author>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p><strong>FOR THE MOTION</strong></p><img src="https://www.intelligencesquaredus.org/sites/default/files/styles/debater_item_thumbnail/public/speakers/colin_dueck_square.png?itok=8_Qe4Uka" alt="An image of Colin Dueck" /><p><i>Colin Dueck</i></p><p>Policy Professor & Author, "Age of Iron: On Conservative Nationalism”</p><img src="https://www.intelligencesquaredus.org/sites/default/files/styles/debater_item_thumbnail/public/speakers/prof-prerna-singh-square_0.png?itok=UvMZsbaC" alt="An image of Prerna Singh" /><p><i>Prerna Singh</i></p><p>Political Scientist & Author, “How Solidarity Works for Welfare”</p><p><strong>AGAINST THE MOTION</strong></p><img src="https://www.intelligencesquaredus.org/sites/default/files/styles/debater_item_thumbnail/public/speakers/andrew-keen.jpg?itok=8pFGfM85" alt="An image of Andrew Keen" /><p><i>Andrew Keen</i></p><p>Internet Entrepreneur & Author, "Tomorrows Versus Yesterdays"</p><img src="https://www.intelligencesquaredus.org/sites/default/files/styles/debater_item_thumbnail/public/speakers/elifshafak_square.png?itok=2fi3HKEo" alt="An image of Elif Shafak" /><p><i>Elif Shafak</i></p><p>Activist & Author, “The Bastard of Istanbul”</p><p><strong>THE HOST</strong></p><img src="https://www.intelligencesquaredus.org/sites/default/files/styles/debater_item_thumbnail/public/speakers/picture-1138-1470933690.jpg?itok=i1BqRiMa" alt="An image of John Donvan" /><p><i>John Donvan</i></p><p>Host and Moderator</p><p><strong>Editor’s Note: GMF’s “Post-Pandemic Order” series is on hiatus. In the meantime, watch our feed for more original podcast content.</strong></p><p> </p><p>This IQ2 debate was produced in partnership with GMF's Brussels Forum and was originally streamed live in June 2020.</p>
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What is the outlook for Taiwan’s future given Beijing’s the implementation of the new national security law in Hong Kong? What lessons did Taiwan learn from battling the coronavirus? Does the Taiwanese public have confidence in the United States’ ability to play a positive leadership role in the region? How have CCP actions in Xinjiang impacted opinions in Taiwan about the Chinese government and its the use of digital surveillance tools?

This episode was taped on July 17 as a live virtual event.
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      <description><![CDATA[When the pandemic spread to Europe, NATO was met with a unique challenge: it needed to assist with crisis response while also keeping its ever-important deterrence mission intact on its Eastern Flank.  On this week’s episode of “Post-Pandemic Order,” Derek Chollet talks with a key leader in this effort, Estonian Minister of Defense Jüri Luik, about how NATO’s mission evolved (and what stayed the same) throughout the pandemic—and what he learned about the military’s role during this unforeseen public health crisis.

Minister Luik also discusses the resurgence of great power competition and how to balance the new challenges posed by China and with the continuing ones posed by Estonia’s neighbor, Russia. The conversation also covers the state of European defense spending – a much contested topic in the transatlantic relationship-- and why military spending should not become another victim of the pandemic, despite a bleak economic forecast.
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      <description><![CDATA[In this episode of Post-Pandemic Order, guest host Sudha David-Wilp sits down with Congresswoman Lauren Underwood of Illinois's 14th congressional district to discuss the long history of systemic racism in the United States, public health during the coronavirus pandemic, and generational perspectives on governing and leadership.

Congresswoman Underwood is the youngest African American woman to be elected to the U.S. House of Representatives. Before joining Congress, Underwood had extensive public health experience as a registered nurse and as a member of the Obama administration in the Department of Health and Human Services.
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Pete Buttigieg—the Democratic party's first openly gay presidential candidate and a veteran who served in Afghanistan—has gained international prominence. In a conversation originally streamed live as part of GMF’s Brussels Forum, Mayor Pete joined Derek Chollet for a wide-ranging conversation on race relations in America, the state of the Democratic party amidst the 2020 elections, U.S. foreign policy and what U.S. global leadership at a tumultuous moment.  What experiences stuck with him from the primary, and which issues resonated most with the voters he met on the campaign trail? Where is the future of U.S. leadership at home and abroad headed at this pivotal moment when a public health crisis and civil unrest are converging with a critical election season?</p> <p>This conversation was streamed live on June 4. GMF’s Brussels Forum will run through the end of the month, for more information or to register for upcoming sessions visit brussels.gmfus.org</p>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Since President Trump announced the withdrawal of US troops from Syria, realities on the ground have moved at breakneck speed. To make sense of it all,  Out of Order caught up with GMF experts in Ankara and Washington.</p> <p>First, senior fellow Jonathan Katz joins discusses the situation as it has unfolded—and its vast consequences-- and how it’s playing out politically and geopolitically.</p> <p>Later in the episode, GMF’s Ankara office director Ozgur Unluhisarcikli joins Out of Order to discuss Turkey’s relationship with the US and Europe, and how it has set the stage for the situation we see today.</p> <p>**Show Note: This episode was taped on Thursday, October 17 and does not account for news developments that have taken place since.**</p>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>We're interrupting the Out of Order stream this week to share a new episode of the "Democracy Works" podcast -- a project of Penn State's McCourtney Institute for Democracy and WPSU. In this episode, renowned democracy expert Larry Diamond talks with Democracy Works' Jenna Spinelle about China’s model of authoritarian capitalism and the effect it's having around the globe on democracies and other authoritarian actors.  </p> <p>Find other Democracy Works episodes at <a href="http://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/ohg7CmZnG6c5EJWuGqGmw?domain=democracyworkspodcast.com"> www.democracyworkspodcast.com</a> or wherever you listen to your podcasts. </p>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>John Bolton, President Trump’s 3rd National Security Adviser, has made his exit. With change afoot (or maybe not) two of the most well-positioned voices on all things NSC—John Gans and Derek Chollet-- are at the <em>Out of Order</em> table to discuss what went wrong for Bolton, how the national security process has been broken under the Trump administration, and what could come next for a yet-to-be-named successor.</p> <p>John Gans is the author of <em>White House Warriors</em>, a new book on the National Security Council, current director of communications at the University of Pennsylvania's Perry World House global policy center, and a GMF Fellow. Among other roles, he served as Chief Speechwriter for Defense Secretary Ash Carter. Derek Chollet is the German Marshall Fund’s Executive Vice President. His previous roles include Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs and Senior Director for Strategic Planning on the National Security Council staff under President Obama.</p> <p>Bios:</p> <p>Derek Chollet</p> <p><a href="http://www.gmfus.org/profiles/derek-chollet">- http://www.gmfus.org/profiles/derek-chollet</a></p> <p>John Gans - <a href="https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/lOrYC68v2ysr486U6i_ft?domain=global.upenn.edu">https://global.upenn.edu/perryworldhouse/person/john-gans</a></p> <p>Show Notes:</p> <p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/White-House-Warriors-National-Transformed/dp/1631494562"> White House Warriors: How the National Security Council Transformed the American Way of War”</a></p> <p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/10/opinion/john-bolton-trump.html"> How John Bolton Broke the National Security Council (New York Times)</a></p> <p><a href="https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2018/03/john-bolton-will-not-end-well/146923/?oref=d-river"> John Bolton Will Not End Well (Defense One)</a></p>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Bolton, President Trump’s 3rd National Security Adviser, has made his exit. With change afoot (or maybe not) two of the most well-positioned voices on all things NSC—John Gans and Derek Chollet-- are at the <em>Out of Order</em> table to discuss what went wrong for Bolton, how the national security process has been broken under the Trump administration, and what could come next for a yet-to-be-named successor.</p> <p>John Gans is the author of <em>White House Warriors</em>, a new book on the National Security Council, current director of communications at the University of Pennsylvania's Perry World House global policy center, and a GMF Fellow. Among other roles, he served as Chief Speechwriter for Defense Secretary Ash Carter. Derek Chollet is the German Marshall Fund’s Executive Vice President. His previous roles include Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs and Senior Director for Strategic Planning on the National Security Council staff under President Obama.</p> <p>Bios:</p> <p>Derek Chollet</p> <p><a href="http://www.gmfus.org/profiles/derek-chollet">- http://www.gmfus.org/profiles/derek-chollet</a></p> <p>John Gans - <a href="https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/lOrYC68v2ysr486U6i_ft?domain=global.upenn.edu">https://global.upenn.edu/perryworldhouse/person/john-gans</a></p> <p>Show Notes:</p> <p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/White-House-Warriors-National-Transformed/dp/1631494562"> White House Warriors: How the National Security Council Transformed the American Way of War”</a></p> <p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/10/opinion/john-bolton-trump.html"> How John Bolton Broke the National Security Council (New York Times)</a></p> <p><a href="https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2018/03/john-bolton-will-not-end-well/146923/?oref=d-river"> John Bolton Will Not End Well (Defense One)</a></p>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>U.S. society is as divided as it has been in modern history. Americans cannot agree on the past, and politicians refuse to face the future. Political animus has replaced compromise and bipartisanship is the norm in Washington, as a divisive President seeks a second term.</p> <p>With election season ramping up and political divisions on display, two veterans of U.S. politics-- Margaret Carlson, Columnist at The Daily Beast, and Mitch Landrieu, the former Mayor of New Orleans and founder of E Pluribus Unum--  joined Out of Order for an insightful conversation on the state of U.S. political discourse, how society became so fractured and where some solutions might be found. Above all: Is there a way out of this mess?</p> <p> </p> <p>Related Reading:</p> <p>Margaret Carlson's article, referenced in the episode: <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/06/why-dont-people-tip-hotel-maids/590410/">https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/06/why-dont-people-tip-hotel-maids/590410/</a>  </p> <p>Recent Op-ed from Mitch Landrieu: <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/12/opinions/us-critical-conversation-gun-violence-and-white-supremacy-landrieu/index.html"> https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/12/opinions/us-critical-conversation-gun-violence-and-white-supremacy-landrieu/index.html</a></p> <p>Mitch Landrieu’s Confederate statue speech: <a href="https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/05/read-mitch-landrieus-confederate-monuments-speech.html"> https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/05/read-mitch-landrieus-confederate-monuments-speech.html</a></p> <p>This conversation is one of a series recorded by GMF’s Rachel Tausendfreund on the sidelines of GMF’s Brussels Forum earlier this summer.</p>
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      <title>Has the Transatlantic Relationship Been Irreparably Damaged?</title>
      <description><![CDATA[<p>Has the Transatlantic Relationship Been Irreparably Damaged? At the most recent Brussels Forum, GMF partnered with <em>Intelligence Squared U.S.</em>, for a <a href="https://www.intelligencesquaredus.org/debates/transatlantic-relationship-has-been-irreparably-damaged"> lively debate</a> on the future of the U.S. and Europe’s special relationship amidst polarized politics and tensions over security and trade on both sides of the Atlantic. Through this special Out of Order episode, we are excited to feature our live broadcast recording of the debate.</p> <p>Among the debaters:</p> <p>John Mearsheimer − American Political Scientist & Professor, University of Chicago,</p> <p>Constanze Stelzenmüller − Senior Fellow, Brookings Institution,</p> <p>Carla Norrlof − Professor, University of Toronto</p> <p>Federiga Bindi − Professor, University of Rome Tor Vergata.</p> <p> </p> <p><em>Presented in partnership with Intelligence Squared</em></p> <p><em></em></p> <p> </p> <p> </p>
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      <author>gmfpress@gmfus.org (The German Marshall Fund of the United States)</author>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>The Trump administration’s hard-nosed approach to the European Union has left leaders across the Atlantic questioning where the relationship with the U.S. is headed. According to GMF’s president Dr. Karen Donfried, a tour of Europe shows how the outlook on America changes based on where you sit. While the talk in Paris is all about “strategic autonomy,” Warsaw is buzzing about “strategic embrace.”  </p> <p>This week on Out of Order, Dr. Donfried sits down with GMF’s Peter Sparding to discuss the three strategic Europes—and what the differences in attitudes reveals about European cohesion and also the future of the transatlantic relationship. The conversation is based on an article by Dr. Donfried that appeared in Defense One earlier this year.</p> <p> </p> <p>Article: <a href="https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2019/04/3-ways-europe-looking-fraying-nato/155982/?oref=d-river">https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2019/04/3-ways-europe-looking-fraying-nato/155982/?oref=d-river</a></p>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>More than five years after the Euromaidan, Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko is battling for his political life against Volodymyr Zelensky – a comedian and political newcomer who has emerged as the favorite to win Sunday’s runoff. The story of political outsider-turned-president may be a familiar one for anyone who has watched “Servant of the People” a comedy (now available on Netflix) in which Zelensky plays just that—a teacher thrust into the presidency unexpectedly. In real life though, Zelensky’s plans for leading Ukraine remain uncertain against an ongoing conflict with Russia, economic stagnation, and internal corruption.  </p> <p>On this episode of Out of Order, GMF’s resident Ukraine watcher and senior fellow, Jonathan Katz, weighs in on what’s at stake this weekend as Ukrainians cast their votes.  Katz travelled to Ukraine last month as an election monitor during the first round of voting, and he also chairs the Transatlantic Task Force on Elections and Civil Society in Ukraine.</p>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Angela Merkel era is ending. The weekend of December 7-8 in Hamburg the curtains draw half closed and we will see who officially waits in the wings to take over. Currently, there are three candidates are vying for that position.</p> <p>Angela Merkel became chairwoman of the Christian Democratic party in 2000 and Chancellor five years later. In what many see as the first step of a tactical retreat, Angela Merkel announced in late October that she would not seek reelection to head her party, though she will remain in her spot at the head the government until the next elections in 2021 – or at least presumably. Because of course as soon as someone else takes over leadership of her party, Germany will have a new heir (or heiress) apparent.</p> <p>The cast of characters is interesting: The ambitious Jens Spahn,  currently serving as health minister in the government; the woman generally viewed as Merkel’s anointed heir and perhaps a kind of Merkel 2.0, Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer, and finally Friedrich Merz, an old arch rival of Merkel’s, who abandoned politics for finance after he was elbowed out by her in 2002.</p> <p>Jan Techau and Sudha David-Wilp join Rachel Tausendfreund to discuss the three candidates, their chances, and what any of these candidates might mean for Europe and Germany’s leadership globally.</p> <p>Think and Tank links: Jan Techau tanks the German debate on the Global Compact</p> <p>Sudha David-Wilp talks about the Visegrad Insight publication <a href="https://visegradinsight.eu/central-european-futures/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">"Central European Futures"</a></p> <p>Rachel Tausendfreund recommends the Guardian long read <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/10/how-colonial-violence-came-home-the-ugly-truth-of-the-first-world-war"> “How colonial violence came home: the ugly truth of the first world war” </a></p>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>American voters have spoken and Democrats will soon control the U.S. House of Representatives. How might this new political reality at home affect the Trump administration's policies abroad? What levers will the Democrats pull, if any, when it comes to oversight of a disruptive global agenda?</p> <p>GMF’s Derek Chollet and Jamie Fly join Out of Order to weigh in on how America's global posture will -- or won't -- change and what's at stake for transatlantic relations. </p> <p>New Feature: We want to hear from you. Engage with the Out of Order team through our new listener inbox at <a href="mailto:outoforder@gmfus.org">outoforder@gmfus.org</a> </p> <p>Send us your thoughts, questions, comments, and suggestions for future topics you'd like to hear us cover.</p> <p>We will feature select input on upcoming Out of Order episodes.</p> <p>Speakers</p> <p>Derek Chollet | Executive Vice President and Senior Advisor for Security and Defense Policy</p> <p>Jamie Fly | Senior Fellow and Director, Future of Geopolitics, Asia Program Washington, DC</p> <p>Moderator</p> <p>Sydney Simon | Media and Communications Specialist</p> <p>Show Notes: </p> <p>"<a href="http://www.gmfus.org/publications/inflection-point-americas-democratic-future">An Inflection Point for America's Democratic Future</a>" - Derek Chollet </p> <p>"<a href="http://www.gmfus.org/publications/do-not-look-foreign-policy-change">Do Not Look for Foreign Policy Change</a>" - Jamie Fly </p> <p><a href="https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-elections-europe/with-trump-shackled-at-home-europeans-fear-more-disruption-abroad-idUSKCN1NC1W9"> With Trump Shackled at Home, Europeans Fear More Disruption Abroad</a> - Reuters </p> <p> <a href="https://www.dw.com/en/germany-europe-see-little-hope-for-trump-policy-change-after-us-midterm-election/a-46191014">Germany, Europe see little hope for Trump policy change after US midterm election</a> - Deutsche Welle </p>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 9 Nov 2018 15:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>gmfpress@gmfus.org (The German Marshall Fund)</author>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>American voters have spoken and Democrats will soon control the U.S. House of Representatives. How might this new political reality at home affect the Trump administration's policies abroad? What levers will the Democrats pull, if any, when it comes to oversight of a disruptive global agenda?</p> <p>GMF’s Derek Chollet and Jamie Fly join Out of Order to weigh in on how America's global posture will -- or won't -- change and what's at stake for transatlantic relations. </p> <p>New Feature: We want to hear from you. Engage with the Out of Order team through our new listener inbox at <a href="mailto:outoforder@gmfus.org">outoforder@gmfus.org</a> </p> <p>Send us your thoughts, questions, comments, and suggestions for future topics you'd like to hear us cover.</p> <p>We will feature select input on upcoming Out of Order episodes.</p> <p>Speakers</p> <p>Derek Chollet | Executive Vice President and Senior Advisor for Security and Defense Policy</p> <p>Jamie Fly | Senior Fellow and Director, Future of Geopolitics, Asia Program Washington, DC</p> <p>Moderator</p> <p>Sydney Simon | Media and Communications Specialist</p> <p>Show Notes: </p> <p>"<a href="http://www.gmfus.org/publications/inflection-point-americas-democratic-future">An Inflection Point for America's Democratic Future</a>" - Derek Chollet </p> <p>"<a href="http://www.gmfus.org/publications/do-not-look-foreign-policy-change">Do Not Look for Foreign Policy Change</a>" - Jamie Fly </p> <p><a href="https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-elections-europe/with-trump-shackled-at-home-europeans-fear-more-disruption-abroad-idUSKCN1NC1W9"> With Trump Shackled at Home, Europeans Fear More Disruption Abroad</a> - Reuters </p> <p> <a href="https://www.dw.com/en/germany-europe-see-little-hope-for-trump-policy-change-after-us-midterm-election/a-46191014">Germany, Europe see little hope for Trump policy change after US midterm election</a> - Deutsche Welle </p>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Trade is back in the spotlight, and the U.S. is at the center of a building international showdown. A combative economic agenda is now being realized as the Trump administration disrupts trade relations with allies and adversaries alike. From the torpedoed TPP, new NAFTA, tariffs on steel, aluminum, and potentially autos, and even suggestions that the U.S. could leave the WTO – who wins and who loses in this new landscape, and where can constructive compromises be made? Is there a common transatlantic trade agenda in dealing with China, and are we heading for a US-China economic decoupling or even a new Cold War?</p> <p>On the latest episode of GMF’s Out of Order podcast, we’ll deconstruct the current state of international trade—from micro to macro-- with the foremost expert on the matter, Georgetown law professor Jennifer Hillman. Hillman has served as a member of the WTO’s Appellate Body, as commissioner of the US International Trade Commission, and as General Counsel at the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative, among many other roles. Also joining host Peter Sparding this week in Washington, GMF’s senior transatlantic fellow Andrew Small, resident expert on China’s foreign and economic policy.</p> <p>Think or Tank Links:</p> <p></p> <p>Andrew Small: <em>Vice President Mike Pence's Remarks on the Administration's Policy Towards China</em></p> <p><a href="https://www.hudson.org/events/1610-vice-president-mike-pence-s-remarks-on-the-administration-s-policy-towards-china102018" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Link Here</a></p> <p></p> <p>Jennifer Hillman: <em>Failure to Adjust How Americans Got Left Behind in the Global Economy </em>by Edward Alden</p> <p><a href="https://www.cfr.org/book/failure-adjust" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Link Here</a></p> <p></p> <p>Peter Sparding: <em>The Rigging of American Politics </em>by Ezra Klein</p> <p><a href="https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/16/17951596/kavanaugh-trump-senate-impeachment-avenatti-democrats-2020-supreme-court" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Link Here</a></p> <p>Bonus Content:</p> <p><em>Testimony Of Jennifer Hillman Professor From Practice, Georgetown University Law Center Before The U.S.-China Economic And Review Security Commission Hearing On U.S. Tools To Address Chinese Market Distortions</em></p> <p><a href="https://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/Hillman%20Testimony%20US%20China%20Comm%20w%20Appendix%20A.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Link Here</a></p>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2018 15:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>gmfpress@gmfus.org (The German Marshall Fund)</author>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trade is back in the spotlight, and the U.S. is at the center of a building international showdown. A combative economic agenda is now being realized as the Trump administration disrupts trade relations with allies and adversaries alike. From the torpedoed TPP, new NAFTA, tariffs on steel, aluminum, and potentially autos, and even suggestions that the U.S. could leave the WTO – who wins and who loses in this new landscape, and where can constructive compromises be made? Is there a common transatlantic trade agenda in dealing with China, and are we heading for a US-China economic decoupling or even a new Cold War?</p> <p>On the latest episode of GMF’s Out of Order podcast, we’ll deconstruct the current state of international trade—from micro to macro-- with the foremost expert on the matter, Georgetown law professor Jennifer Hillman. Hillman has served as a member of the WTO’s Appellate Body, as commissioner of the US International Trade Commission, and as General Counsel at the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative, among many other roles. Also joining host Peter Sparding this week in Washington, GMF’s senior transatlantic fellow Andrew Small, resident expert on China’s foreign and economic policy.</p> <p>Think or Tank Links:</p> <p></p> <p>Andrew Small: <em>Vice President Mike Pence's Remarks on the Administration's Policy Towards China</em></p> <p><a href="https://www.hudson.org/events/1610-vice-president-mike-pence-s-remarks-on-the-administration-s-policy-towards-china102018" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Link Here</a></p> <p></p> <p>Jennifer Hillman: <em>Failure to Adjust How Americans Got Left Behind in the Global Economy </em>by Edward Alden</p> <p><a href="https://www.cfr.org/book/failure-adjust" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Link Here</a></p> <p></p> <p>Peter Sparding: <em>The Rigging of American Politics </em>by Ezra Klein</p> <p><a href="https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/16/17951596/kavanaugh-trump-senate-impeachment-avenatti-democrats-2020-supreme-court" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Link Here</a></p> <p>Bonus Content:</p> <p><em>Testimony Of Jennifer Hillman Professor From Practice, Georgetown University Law Center Before The U.S.-China Economic And Review Security Commission Hearing On U.S. Tools To Address Chinese Market Distortions</em></p> <p><a href="https://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/Hillman%20Testimony%20US%20China%20Comm%20w%20Appendix%20A.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Link Here</a></p>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>It’s back! The Out of Order podcast returns to the airwaves. Thirty years after the fall of the wall, the reemergence of authoritarianism and illiberalism in Central and Eastern Europe is as pressing as ever and threatens to divide an already shaky EU. With Article 7 proceedings triggered against Poland and Hungary, and continued efforts by the Kremlin to disrupt European unity, what are the implications of an undemocratic Central Europe for the world’s largest economic bloc, what is the next move in Brussels, and where does the U.S. factor in all of this?  </p> <p>In this week’s episode GMF’s Jonathan Katz and Rachel Tausendfreund in Washington are joined by Corinna Horst in Brussels to discuss the state of European (dis)Union in Europe, especially its eastern states. And after that [], Jonathan sits down with three people who are deeply familiar with the politics of the Visegrad group: Slovakia’s former ambassador to the US and Hungary Rastislav Kacer; Jakub Wisniewski, the former Polish ambassador to the OECD and head of foreign policy planning at the Polish foreign ministry; and Robert Vass, the current president of GLOBSEC.</p> <p>Subscribe to Out of Order on iTunes, Spotify, GooglePlay, Soundcloud, Stitcher, TuneIn or where ever you get your podcasts.</p>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2018 15:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s back! The Out of Order podcast returns to the airwaves. Thirty years after the fall of the wall, the reemergence of authoritarianism and illiberalism in Central and Eastern Europe is as pressing as ever and threatens to divide an already shaky EU. With Article 7 proceedings triggered against Poland and Hungary, and continued efforts by the Kremlin to disrupt European unity, what are the implications of an undemocratic Central Europe for the world’s largest economic bloc, what is the next move in Brussels, and where does the U.S. factor in all of this?  </p> <p>In this week’s episode GMF’s Jonathan Katz and Rachel Tausendfreund in Washington are joined by Corinna Horst in Brussels to discuss the state of European (dis)Union in Europe, especially its eastern states. And after that [], Jonathan sits down with three people who are deeply familiar with the politics of the Visegrad group: Slovakia’s former ambassador to the US and Hungary Rastislav Kacer; Jakub Wisniewski, the former Polish ambassador to the OECD and head of foreign policy planning at the Polish foreign ministry; and Robert Vass, the current president of GLOBSEC.</p> <p>Subscribe to Out of Order on iTunes, Spotify, GooglePlay, Soundcloud, Stitcher, TuneIn or where ever you get your podcasts.</p>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>In July on Out of Order, we discussed what’s on the line for multilateral sanctions against Iran in the wake of President Trump’s withdrawal from the JCPOA (better known as the Iran Nuclear Deal). <a href="http://traffic.libsyn.com/outoforderpodcast/473937639-user-30273491-europe-and-united-states-fight-over-iran-is-the-united-states-sanctioning-itself-in-the-foot.mp3"> [Episode Link]</a></p> <p>Now the stakes have been raised even further; last week, the remaining members of the nuclear deal announced that they will create a new payment infrastructure, allowing countries to sideswipe U.S. regulations and continue doing business with Iran. With the next set of U.S. sanctions set to go into effect in just over a month from now, we’ve decided it’s a good time for a primer on this escalating battle of sanctions.</p> <p>To put the pieces together, we’re back at the table with GMF’s resident illicit-finance and sanctions expert Joshua Kirschenbaum to talk special purpose vehicles, Iran, and the future of U.S. sanctions.</p> <p>In addition, stay tuned for the debut of Out of Order's second season, set to premiere in the next few weeks. This season will feature a variety of experts and topics over regularly programmed episodes set on a two-week schedule. </p>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 5 Oct 2018 20:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
      <author>gmfpress@gmfus.org (The German Marshall Fund)</author>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In July on Out of Order, we discussed what’s on the line for multilateral sanctions against Iran in the wake of President Trump’s withdrawal from the JCPOA (better known as the Iran Nuclear Deal). <a href="http://traffic.libsyn.com/outoforderpodcast/473937639-user-30273491-europe-and-united-states-fight-over-iran-is-the-united-states-sanctioning-itself-in-the-foot.mp3"> [Episode Link]</a></p> <p>Now the stakes have been raised even further; last week, the remaining members of the nuclear deal announced that they will create a new payment infrastructure, allowing countries to sideswipe U.S. regulations and continue doing business with Iran. With the next set of U.S. sanctions set to go into effect in just over a month from now, we’ve decided it’s a good time for a primer on this escalating battle of sanctions.</p> <p>To put the pieces together, we’re back at the table with GMF’s resident illicit-finance and sanctions expert Joshua Kirschenbaum to talk special purpose vehicles, Iran, and the future of U.S. sanctions.</p> <p>In addition, stay tuned for the debut of Out of Order's second season, set to premiere in the next few weeks. This season will feature a variety of experts and topics over regularly programmed episodes set on a two-week schedule. </p>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p> </p> <p>During the height of the cold war, the space race between the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. was as much an ideological struggle as it was a battle of technological exploration. When the U.S. first stepped foot on the moon, many framed the historical moment as an essential victory of democracy over communism. This melding of ideology and technological progress plays out in our own time through a struggle for design and control over the next wave of invention and innovation. In our interconnected world and at the precipice of machine learning and artificial intelligence, values play an increasingly existential role in the future of tech. But who controls these values comes down to who can harness these new technologies, pitting us in yet another battle for the future. </p> <p>In this episode, Out of Order will cover the current state of technological progress, who is ahead and where, how the transatlantic community can promote design and control of new technological developments, and the effects which non-liberal actors can have on the future of tech.</p> <p>Are the U.S.–European values sufficiently in synch to allow for global leadership in the norms and rules that will govern the future? Do we even realize we’re in a battle for the future?  </p> <p>Join the President of the German Marshall Fund, Karen Donfried, Vice President of Global Government Relations at MediaMath and GMF non-resident fellow, Daniel Sepulveda,  GMF Fellow, Amy Studdart, and our host Peter Sparding as they discuss these questions and more on the tenth edition of the Out of Order podcast.</p>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 8 Aug 2018 12:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> </p> <p>During the height of the cold war, the space race between the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. was as much an ideological struggle as it was a battle of technological exploration. When the U.S. first stepped foot on the moon, many framed the historical moment as an essential victory of democracy over communism. This melding of ideology and technological progress plays out in our own time through a struggle for design and control over the next wave of invention and innovation. In our interconnected world and at the precipice of machine learning and artificial intelligence, values play an increasingly existential role in the future of tech. But who controls these values comes down to who can harness these new technologies, pitting us in yet another battle for the future. </p> <p>In this episode, Out of Order will cover the current state of technological progress, who is ahead and where, how the transatlantic community can promote design and control of new technological developments, and the effects which non-liberal actors can have on the future of tech.</p> <p>Are the U.S.–European values sufficiently in synch to allow for global leadership in the norms and rules that will govern the future? Do we even realize we’re in a battle for the future?  </p> <p>Join the President of the German Marshall Fund, Karen Donfried, Vice President of Global Government Relations at MediaMath and GMF non-resident fellow, Daniel Sepulveda,  GMF Fellow, Amy Studdart, and our host Peter Sparding as they discuss these questions and more on the tenth edition of the Out of Order podcast.</p>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>In Episode IX of Out of Order Rachel Tausendfreund talks with GMF fellows Douglas Hengel, Joshua Kirschenbaum, and Andrew Small about transatlantic fights with Iran and the future of sanctions The sanctions regime against Iran that led to the JCPOA is widely considered one of the most successful implementations of sanctions ever, and also the EU’s biggest foreign policy success. But in May President Trump announced that the United States would withdraw from agreement, leaving allies and rivals scrambling to respond. Europe has announced its intentions to preserve the deal and has promised to come up with a plan by November 2019, signaling a willingness to defy U.S. sanctions to do so — and Russia and China are all too happy to cooperate. The foreign ministers of France, Germany, and the United Kingdom, met with their counterparts from China, Russia, and Iran in Vienna in early July to continue work on their JCPOA rescue plans. With GMF fellows Douglas Hengel, Joshua Kirschenbaum, and Andrew Small, Rachel Tausendfreund discusses the role sanctions have played in the global order and the problem of dollar dominance and potential U.S. overreach. Will the EU be able to set up an alternative to shield its companies from secondary sanctions? How does China stand to benefit? And if U.S. allies are able to team up with China and Russia and defy U.S. sanctions, will this be the beginning of the end of unilateral sanction power, or of sanctions generally? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Think or Tanks: Josh: https://piie.com/publications/working-papers/eu-financial-services-policy-2007-crisis-responses-and-prospects Doug: https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/02/09/trumps-use-of-sanctions-may-be-unsustainable/ Andrew: https://macropolo.org/ Rachel: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5610554/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For more read a TTake by Doug, Josh, and Andrew on the Iran deal options: “Three Views on U.S. Withdrawal from Iran Deal, and Europe and China’s Response“ http://www.gmfus.org/blog/2018/05/30/three-views-us-withdrawal-iran-deal-and-europe-and-chinas-response Three Views on U.S. Withdrawal from Iran Deal, and Europe ... www.gmfus.org If We Keep Our Cool, We Can Make it to New Negotiations And Joshua Kirschenbaum’s policy brief : “The United States and EU Can Still Avoid Conflict Over Iran Sanctions” http://www.gmfus.org/publications/united-states-and-eu-can-still-avoid-conflict-over-iran-sanctions</p>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>President Trump’s overtures to North Korea represent perhaps the most significant foreign policy development so far during his administration. In addition to marking a departure in how authoritarian regimes are treated by the world’s major power, recent developments have the potential to transform the balance of power in Asia. While there is some relief after the days of "fire and fury" threats, U.S. allies around the world are also nervous. Host Peter Sparding talks to Andrew Small and Jamie Fly in Washington, and Janka Oertel in Berlin, about the summit and its implications. After recapping and assessing the summit and its results, the discussion opens with a tour around the region, as the panel discusses how recent developments look from China, Japan, South Korea, and the United States. Is China the main beneficiary of the new thaw between Washington and Pyeongyang? How does this fit into the larger U.S. strategy towards the Asia-Pacific or is there no coherent strategy? What is driving the debate in South Korea? Does Japan worry about being cut out from any deal? What are the North Koreans hoping to achieve? The debate then shifts to the question of whether Trump’s approach to foreign policy makes the world safer for authoritarians. What are the implications of the president’s behavior towards allies vis-à-vis the attitude shown towards Kim Jong-un? What does it say about the determinants and persistence of U.S. foreign policy that public opinion among supporters of the president seems to be shifting quickly? How do countries in Europe view the developments and do they factor into their own calculations about the U.S. as a reliable partner? Finally, Peter asks each of the panelists for their predictions of how things will play out over the coming months and years.</p>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>We are back! After an extended spring break, the Out of Order crew is back in the studio to bring you informative and relevant speakers and ideas, exploring how the world was, is and will be ordered. In this episode, we discuss whether the West is a club built on common values or shared interests. Specifically, we look at the case of NATO and Turkey and consider both how democratic backsliding affects and should affect their relationship. NATO’s founding treaty refers includes a statement of common values in its preamble, mentioning the “freedom, common heritage, and civilization of their peoples” and that it is “founded on the principles of democracy, individual liberty, and rule of law.” But how important have these common principles really been for NATO? Is it really a democratic, liberal organization, or is it simply a security alliance against the (then) Soviet Union and today Russia? We discuss the current political situation in Turkey, the prospects for reform and NATO’s proper role in pushing against anti-democratic developments. We also discuss the nature of NATO as an alliance and its history of accepting less-than-democratic members. Co-host Rachel Tausendfreund was joined for the episode by Özgür Unluhisarcikli, Director of GMF’s Ankara office and Jan Techau, the Director of GMF’s Europe program out of the Berlin office. Thinks and Tanks: Özgür’s think: Competitive Authoritarianism: Hybrid Regimes after the Cold War (2010) by Steven Levitsky and Lucan A. Way. Link: http://www.cambridge.org/us/academic/subjects/politics-international-relations/comparative-politics/competitive-authoritarianism-hybrid-regimes-after-cold-war?format=HB&amp;isbn=9780521882521#h0IMKjHeGwJdRV53.97 Jan’s think: The Impossible Presidency: The Rise and Fall of America's Highest Office (2017) by Jeremi Suri and “How the Presidency became Impossible” by John Dickerson in The Atlantic Link: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/05/a-broken-office/556883/ Rachel’s think: the May/June issue of the Berlin Policy Journal “And Yet it Moves.&quot; Specifically the interview with former German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble Link: https://berlinpolicyjournal.com/i-strongly-advise-against-arrogance/</p>
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      <description><![CDATA[<p>Over the last years, policy makers on both sides of the Atlantic have become increasingly concerned that the Liberal International Order is in danger. At first, threats to this Western-led order seemed to emanate mostly from the outside, as rising powers such as China and Russia challenged the existing order. But with the Brexit referendum and the election of Donald Trump to the U.S. presidency, it has become clear that there are plenty of actors within our societies who are equally opposed to existing global order. But what exactly are the opposed to - and what do proponents of the LIO want to defend? It is not clear if either the critics or the supporters agree about what the most essential components of the order are. Is it about the West? It it about free trade and neoliberal economics? Is it about democracy and human rights? What makes the order "liberal" anyway? Do we need to scale back the LIO in order to save it? What would a world without it look like? In this episode, recorded live at the Young Professionals Summit at GMF's Brussels Forum, hosts Rachel Tausendfreund and Peter Sparding are joined by GMF transatlantic fellow Janka Oertel and Josh Rogin, Global Opinions Columnist with the Washington Post, to discuss these questions and work towards understanding what the Liberal International Order is anyways.</p>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So far, the Out-of-Order Podcast has focused on specific countries and the role they play in trying to stabilize, uphold, change, or transform the current international order. In the fifth episode, we take a different approach as we look at what role the military and hard power plays in shaping the international order. To discuss this and related issues, hosts Amy Studdart and Peter Sparding are joined by GMF Visiting Senior Fellow Shawn Turner and GMF Executive Vice President Derek Chollet. During the Cold War, the role of the military in underpinning the Western international order seemed clear. After the end of the Cold War, however, the mission of Western militaries seemed to change as NATO was looking for a new role and Western militaries primarily focused first on humanitarian interventions like in the Balkans and then, following the attacks on 9/11, on targeted military action fighting against terrorism and broad-scope wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Now, as the new U.S. National Defense Strategy (NDS) outlines, the focus of U.S. military policy seems to turn back to questions of strategic competition with other powers and the larger international order like we saw more so during the Cold War. Shawn and Derek lay out how the strategic environment has changed to necessitate these developments—changes that were well underway during the previous administration. In fact, they say that despite some of the changed rhetoric, there is a lot of continuity with regard to U.S. military posture under the Trump administration (which sounds like a bipartisan opinion given Jamie Fly’s take in our last episode). The question is raised as to how sustainable the current discrepancy between the policy priorities set in documents such as the NDS, which emphasizes the need to work with allies, and President Trump’s more brash approach to coalition building, including repeated clashes with allies. As Derek lays out the relative loss of superiority of the U.S. military vis-à-vis actors like China in areas such as AI, the discussion turns to the questions whether authoritarian powers such as China or Russia are helped in their ambition by their lack of adherence to certain liberal ideals which enable them push forward all-out-efforts in technology and certain policy areas. Naturally, the focus then shifts to Europe, as we analyze the important contribution of some European countries, while also pointing to the increasing divergence in capabilities between the transatlantic partners. Finally, we discuss whether too much is asked of the military as the it is increasingly put forward as a solution to more problems and the answer to ever more questions. Given the growing sentiment to focus on “nation building at home” on both sides of the Atlantic and the reluctance of Americans to engage in new large scale military interventions following the experiences in Afghanistan and Iraq, how sustainable is the current approach? Is there a risk of losing public support at home for international engagement? Think or Tank Amy – THINK- The Rise of the Anti-Liberalism Essay in The Atlantic by Shadi Hamid Derek – THINK - The Heroism of Incremental Care in The New Yorker Dr. Atul Gawande; TANK- Mattis Not speaking at Munich Security Conference. Shawn – TANK – On the gun control and school shooting debate going on in the U.S. currently, armed teachers become the first target in a planned attack Peter – THINK - Why Is It So Hard for Democracy to Deal With Inequality? In The New York Times by Thomas Edsall</p>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the fourth episode of Out of Order, having discussed the roles of Germany, China, and whether other international actors can fill the void left in the international system, this episode focuses on the country that supposedly is leaving this void: the United States. Hosts Rachel Tausendfreund and Peter Sparding talk with GMF Senior Fellow and Director of the Asia and Future of Geopolitics programs Jamie Fly, a long-time Republican foreign policy hand, about U.S. foreign policy in the unpredictable first year of the Trump presidency. Fly argues that Trump’s foreign policy has been relatively conventional, if not too conventional — when you set asides his tweets and some erratic statements. He goes on to contend that U.S. foreign policy thus far has actually continued the trend of the previous democratic administration by stepping even further back from a position of leadership in the world order we’ve come to know. Yet, at the same time, recent domestic political developments and behaviors of the Trump administration are definitely worrying and could irreversibly hurt U.S. standing in the world going forward. The discussion also dives into the questions of whether it is possible to (and if we should) separate tweets and statements from policy, and whether the increasing discrepancy between rhetoric and actions will be impossible to keep up? What are the long-term consequences of this for U.S. alliances and the international order? Is the U.S. public turning away from international engagement due to the failure of previous U.S. foreign policy or due to other factors like rising nationalist sentiment and a feeling of displacement in a fast-changing world? Things to make you THINK: Rachel recommends Masha Gessen’s essay in The New York Review of Books, “To Be or Not to Be,” that explores all different sides of ones identity as an international immigrant. It begins, “Thirty-nine years ago my parents took a package of documents to an office in Moscow. This was our application for an exit visa to leave the Soviet Union. More than two years would pass before the visa was granted, but from that day on I have felt a sense of precariousness wherever I have been, along with a sense of opportunity. They are a pair.” Link: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2018/02/08/to-be-or-not-to-be/ Given the focus of this episode is on the future of U.S. global leadership, Peter suggests also digging into the similar debate happening on the other side of the pond around the future of EU global leadership and more specifically Germany’s role in it. He recommends starting with a recent policy essay by Hans Kundnani and Jana Puglierin entitled, “Atlanticist and ‘Post-Atlanticist’ Wishful Thinking,” which argues that those in favor of maintaining the status-quo in the transatlantic relationship are underestimating the current crises and “although it is true that Trump is not America, neither is the foreign policy establishment, as the Atlanticists seem to suggest.” Link: http://www.gmfus.org/publications/atlanticist-and-post-atlanticist-wishful-thinking And Jamie, as a former Capitol Hill staffer and lifelong Republican, points to President Trump’s first State of the Union address as a window into the “powerhouse presidency that might have been.” Link: https://www.c-span.org/video/?439496-1/president-trump-delivers-state-union-address Go In-depth… If you enjoyed this episode and want to learn more, we would recommend these pieces to start you off: One Year of President Trump: Views from Around the World: http://www.gmfus.org/publications/one-year-president-trump-views-around-world The Contested Global Landscape in Trump’s New Security Strategy: http://www.gmfus.org/blog/2017/12/20/contested-global-landscape-trumps-new-security-strategy The U.S.–France Special Relationship after a Year of Trump: http://www.gmfus.org/publications/us-france-special-relationship-after-year-trump</p>
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What is the Kremlin doing to undermine Western democracies and why?

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