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      <pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2026 11:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This week, there’s a new blockbuster Elizabeth Holmes documentary out, and we’ve assembled an expert panel to discuss the movie and what Holmes means to the tech world of today. Max Read is joined by John Carreyrou, who, through his investigative reporting for The Wall Street Journal and his book “Bad Blood,” revealed the fraud at the heart of Theranos; Erin Griffith, a tech reporter who extensively covered Holmes’s trail; and Caitlin Roper, the New York Times executive producer who wrote the first-ever magazine piece about Holmes for Wired back in 2013.</p><p>We end with a rundown of what else is happening in tech news this week.</p><p><strong>Panelists</strong>:</p><ul><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/by/erin-griffith" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>Erin Griffith</u></a>, a tech reporter for The New York Times.</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/by/john-carreyrou" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>John Carreyrou</u></a>, author of “Bad Blood: Secrets and Lies in a Silicon Valley Startup” and an investigative reporter for The New York Times’s business section.</li><li>Caitlin Roper runs film, TV and books at The New York Times.</li></ul><p><strong>Additional Reading</strong>:</p><ul><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/15/movies/you-can-see-everything-review-elizabeth-holmes.html?searchResultPosition=1" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>‘You Can See Everything’ Review: The Slippery Mind of Elizabeth Holmes</u></a></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/10/business/elizabeth-holmes-partner-blood-testing-startup.html" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>Elizabeth Holmes’s Partner Has a New Blood-Testing Start-Up</u></a></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/23/technology/elizabeth-holmes-theranos-halfway-house.html" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>Elizabeth Holmes to Transfer to Halfway House in August 2027</u></a></li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/13/technology/openai-worker-arrested-bugging.html" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>F.B.I. Arrests OpenAI Employee Accused of Planting Bug in Office</u></a></li></ul><p>We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/hardfork" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>YouTube</u></a> and <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>TikTok</u></a>.</p><p><br><br>&nbsp;</p>
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<p><p>Subscribe today at <a href="http://nytimes.com/podcasts">nytimes.com/podcasts</a> or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher">https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher</a>. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.</p></p><br/> <p>Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See <a href="https://pcm.adswizz.com">pcm.adswizz.com</a> for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.</p>]]></description>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This week, Max Read talks to the Times religion correspondent Elizabeth Dias, the tech reporter Erin Griffith and the opinion writer David Wallace-Wells about Anthropic’s private meetings with religious scholars on A.I. consciousness and how to make Claude “good,” its differences with the Vatican and the new belief systems taking shape in Silicon Valley.</p><p><strong>Panelists:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/by/elizabeth-dias" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>Elizabeth Dias</u></a>, national religion correspondent for The New York Times.</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/by/erin-griffith" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>Erin Griffith</u></a>, a tech reporter for The New York Times.</li><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/column/david-wallace-wells" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>David Wallace-Wells</u></a>, an opinion writer for The New York Times.</li></ul><p><strong>Additional Reading:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/29/us/anthropic-claude-morals-ai.html" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>Religious Scholars Met With Anthropic. What They Heard Stunned Them.</u></a></li><li><a href="https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/ai-researchers-quit-openai-anthropic.html?utm_source=twitter&amp;utm_medium=s1&amp;utm_campaign=nym" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>What Would You Do If Your Employer Could Destroy the World? Exit interviews with defectors from OpenAI, Anthropic and DeepMind.</u></a></li><li><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/2026/10/openai-safety-team-resignation/688881/?campaign_id=4&amp;emc=edit_dk_20261005&amp;instance_id=183056&amp;nl=dealbook&amp;regi_id=72223601&amp;segment_id=227553&amp;user_id=392b642ef7259d9cd6d9d7d679bf59d8" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>I Quit OpenAI Because Its Culture Is Broken</u></a><strong><br></strong>&nbsp;</li></ul><p>We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/hardfork" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>YouTube</u></a> and <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork" rel="noopener noreferrer"><u>TikTok</u></a>.</p><p><br><br>&nbsp;</p>
<p><p>Subscribe today at <a href="http://nytimes.com/podcasts">nytimes.com/podcasts</a> or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher">https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher</a>. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.</p></p><br/> <p>Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See <a href="https://pcm.adswizz.com">pcm.adswizz.com</a> for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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