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 Additional Reading:</p>
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 <li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/10/technology/microsoft-satya-nadella-artificial-intelligence.html" rel="noopener noreferrer">Microsoft C.E.O. Satya Nadella Says, ‘Everyone Is a Stakeholder’ in A.I.</a></li>
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 We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/hardfork" rel="noopener noreferrer">YouTube</a> and <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork" rel="noopener noreferrer">TikTok</a>.</p>
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 <li><a href="https://www.eff.org/about/staff/cindy-cohn" rel="noopener noreferrer">Cindy Cohn</a>, former executive director of the Electronic Frontier Foundation and author of “Privacy’s Defender: My Thirty-Year Fight Against Digital Surveillance.”</li>
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 Additional Reading:</p>
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 <li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/10/technology/microsoft-satya-nadella-artificial-intelligence.html" rel="noopener noreferrer">Microsoft C.E.O. Satya Nadella Says, ‘Everyone Is a Stakeholder’ in A.I.</a></li>
 <li><a href="https://nodefoundation.com/program/infinite-loop" rel="noopener noreferrer">Node presents “Beeple: /Infinite_Loop”</a></li>
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 We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/hardfork" rel="noopener noreferrer">YouTube</a> and <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork" rel="noopener noreferrer">TikTok</a>.</p>
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 <li><a href="https://kevinstenhartnett.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Kevin Hartnett</a>, author of <a href="https://www.quantabooks.org/books/the-proof-in-the-code/" rel="noopener noreferrer"><i>The Proof In the Code: How a Truth Machine is Transforming Math and AI</i></a></li>
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<p><br><strong>Additional Reading:</strong></p>
<ul>
 <li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/01/technology/anthropic-ipo.html" rel="noopener noreferrer">Anthropic Files to Go Public, Setting Stage for Huge I.P.O.</a></li>
 <li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/02/science/ai-mathematics-leiden-declaration.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share" rel="noopener noreferrer">As A.I. Makes Strides in Mathematics, Mathematicians Urge Caution</a></li>
 <li>​​<a href="https://sfstandard.com/2026/05/28/sf-startup-secretly-testing-robots-airbnbs-trashing-lawsuit-claims/" rel="noopener noreferrer">An SF Startup Is Secretly Testing Robots in Airbnbs, and Trashing Them, Lawsuit Claims</a></li>
 <li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/02/technology/trump-executive-order-ai.html" rel="noopener noreferrer">Trump Signs Executive Order Seeking Oversight of A.I. Models </a></li>
 <li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/02/us/politics/george-santos-investigation-prediction-markets.html" rel="noopener noreferrer">U.S. Is Said to Be Investigating George Santos Over Kalshi Betting</a></li>
 <li><a href="https://www.404media.co/hackers-simply-asked-meta-ai-to-give-them-access-to-high-profile-instagram-accounts-it-worked/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Hackers Simply Asked Meta AI to Give Them Access to High-Profile Instagram Accounts. It Worked</a></li>
 <li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/transportation/940486/united-flight-236-bluetooth-speaker-name-bomb" rel="noopener noreferrer">United Flight Forced to Turn Around Because of a Bluetooth Speaker Name</a></li>
 <li><a href="https://variety.com/2026/tv/news/survivor-jeff-probst-kalshi-polymarket-spoilers-1236757354/" rel="noopener noreferrer">‘Survivor’ Boss Jeff Probst Says Kalshi and Polymarket Are ‘Incentivizing People to Lie, Cheat and Steal’; Kalshi Is Now Considering Measures to Prevent Spoilers</a></li>
</ul>
<p> </p>
<p>We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/hardfork" rel="noopener noreferrer">YouTube</a> and <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork" rel="noopener noreferrer">TikTok</a>.</p>
<p><p>Subscribe today at <a href="http://nytimes.com/podcasts">nytimes.com/podcasts</a> or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher">https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher</a>. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.</p></p><br/> <p>Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See <a href="https://pcm.adswizz.com">pcm.adswizz.com</a> for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.</p>]]></description>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SpaceX, Anthropic and OpenAI are all racing to the public markets. We discuss what their I.P.O.s mean for the industry, charitable giving and anyone invested in an index fund. Then, more than 1,000 mathematicians signed a declaration this week raising concerns about the use of A.I. in their field. Author Kevin Hartnett joins to explain what the fuss is all about. And finally, we run through the biggest headlines of the week — including the new executive order on A.I. — in a round of HatGPT.</p>
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<p><strong>Guest:</strong></p>
<ul>
 <li><a href="https://kevinstenhartnett.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Kevin Hartnett</a>, author of <a href="https://www.quantabooks.org/books/the-proof-in-the-code/" rel="noopener noreferrer"><i>The Proof In the Code: How a Truth Machine is Transforming Math and AI</i></a></li>
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<p><br><strong>Additional Reading:</strong></p>
<ul>
 <li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/01/technology/anthropic-ipo.html" rel="noopener noreferrer">Anthropic Files to Go Public, Setting Stage for Huge I.P.O.</a></li>
 <li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/02/science/ai-mathematics-leiden-declaration.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share" rel="noopener noreferrer">As A.I. Makes Strides in Mathematics, Mathematicians Urge Caution</a></li>
 <li>​​<a href="https://sfstandard.com/2026/05/28/sf-startup-secretly-testing-robots-airbnbs-trashing-lawsuit-claims/" rel="noopener noreferrer">An SF Startup Is Secretly Testing Robots in Airbnbs, and Trashing Them, Lawsuit Claims</a></li>
 <li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/02/technology/trump-executive-order-ai.html" rel="noopener noreferrer">Trump Signs Executive Order Seeking Oversight of A.I. Models </a></li>
 <li><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/02/us/politics/george-santos-investigation-prediction-markets.html" rel="noopener noreferrer">U.S. Is Said to Be Investigating George Santos Over Kalshi Betting</a></li>
 <li><a href="https://www.404media.co/hackers-simply-asked-meta-ai-to-give-them-access-to-high-profile-instagram-accounts-it-worked/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Hackers Simply Asked Meta AI to Give Them Access to High-Profile Instagram Accounts. It Worked</a></li>
 <li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/transportation/940486/united-flight-236-bluetooth-speaker-name-bomb" rel="noopener noreferrer">United Flight Forced to Turn Around Because of a Bluetooth Speaker Name</a></li>
 <li><a href="https://variety.com/2026/tv/news/survivor-jeff-probst-kalshi-polymarket-spoilers-1236757354/" rel="noopener noreferrer">‘Survivor’ Boss Jeff Probst Says Kalshi and Polymarket Are ‘Incentivizing People to Lie, Cheat and Steal’; Kalshi Is Now Considering Measures to Prevent Spoilers</a></li>
</ul>
<p> </p>
<p>We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/hardfork" rel="noopener noreferrer">YouTube</a> and <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork" rel="noopener noreferrer">TikTok</a>.</p>
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