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 <li>All of Dave Greene's essays: "<a href="https://fiddlersgreene.substack.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Letters from Fiddler's Greene</a>."</li>
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 <li>"<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=424w9fJRgYk" rel="noopener noreferrer">Timothée Chalamet & Matthew McConaughey</a>" by Variety & CNN Town Hall.</li>
 <li>"<a href="https://www.compactmag.com/article/the-case-against-aesthetic-castration/" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Case Against Aesthetic Castration</a>" by Adam Lehrer (<i>Compact</i>).</li>
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 <li>"<a href="https://www.thefp.com/p/suzy-weiss-please-take-food-less-seriously" rel="noopener noreferrer">It’s Over for Anthony Bourdain’s Fanboys</a>" by Suzy Weiss (<i>The Free Press</i>)</li>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 1 Apr 2026 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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 <li>"<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=424w9fJRgYk" rel="noopener noreferrer">Timothée Chalamet & Matthew McConaughey</a>" by Variety & CNN Town Hall.</li>
 <li>"<a href="https://www.compactmag.com/article/the-case-against-aesthetic-castration/" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Case Against Aesthetic Castration</a>" by Adam Lehrer (<i>Compact</i>).</li>
 <li>"<a href="https://spectator.com/article/marty-supreme-mirrors-timothee-chalamet-desire/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Marty Supreme mirrors Timothée Chalamet’s desire</a>" by Germán Saucedo (<i>The Spectator</i>)</li>
 <li>"<a href="https://www.thefp.com/p/suzy-weiss-please-take-food-less-seriously" rel="noopener noreferrer">It’s Over for Anthony Bourdain’s Fanboys</a>" by Suzy Weiss (<i>The Free Press</i>)</li>
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 <li>"<a href="https://im1776.com/frontier-cities/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Frontier Cities</a>" by Nick Allen (IM-1776).</li>
 <li>"<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/09/opinion/nyc-catholicism-dimes-square-religion.html" rel="noopener noreferrer">New York’s Hottest Club Is the Catholic Church</a>" by Julia Yost (<i>New York Times</i>).</li>
 <li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Furious-Minds-Making-MAGA-Right/dp/0691255261?tag=firstthings20-20" rel="noopener noreferrer"><i>Furious Minds: The Making of the MAGA New Right</i></a> by Laura K. Field.</li>
 <li><a href="https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-local-correspondents/the-party-politics-of-sovereign-house" rel="noopener noreferrer">"The Party Politics of Sovereign House"</a> by Emma Green (<i>New Yorker</i>)</li>
 <li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/17-anna-khachiyan-reconstructing-the-mystical/id1469999563?i=1000460365533" rel="noopener noreferrer">"Reconstructing the Mystical Feminine from the Ashes of the Feminine Mystique"</a> (The Portal)</li>
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 <li>"<a href="https://im1776.com/frontier-cities/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Frontier Cities</a>" by Nick Allen (IM-1776).</li>
 <li>"<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/09/opinion/nyc-catholicism-dimes-square-religion.html" rel="noopener noreferrer">New York’s Hottest Club Is the Catholic Church</a>" by Julia Yost (<i>New York Times</i>).</li>
 <li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Furious-Minds-Making-MAGA-Right/dp/0691255261?tag=firstthings20-20" rel="noopener noreferrer"><i>Furious Minds: The Making of the MAGA New Right</i></a> by Laura K. Field.</li>
 <li><a href="https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-local-correspondents/the-party-politics-of-sovereign-house" rel="noopener noreferrer">"The Party Politics of Sovereign House"</a> by Emma Green (<i>New Yorker</i>)</li>
 <li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/17-anna-khachiyan-reconstructing-the-mystical/id1469999563?i=1000460365533" rel="noopener noreferrer">"Reconstructing the Mystical Feminine from the Ashes of the Feminine Mystique"</a> (The Portal)</li>
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